I don't get how anybody else than old folks can still fall for this type of scams.
The rule is simple: as soon as somebody asks for money, personal information, that you download a software, no matter the situation or time or how trustworthy the person seems to be, IT IS ALWAYS A SCAM.
I am sorry but I can't help you besides telling you that there might be a chance to ask your bank to cancel the bank transfers on grounds of fraudulent transfers, although I wouldn't bet on it.
Alright, Captain Obvious, thanks for posting what should have happened. It did not go down this way, and now OP has lost his life savings through no fault of his own. But thanks for coming into this thread to show how smart you are.
Thanks for coming here and dazzling us with your brilliance. No shxt sherlock, they already know ācause they learned the lesson the hard way.
People make stupid but honest mistakes, now they need to make the best of their situation. So theyāre looking for tips and guidance for whatās next
I don't know if I could forgive my husband for doing something like this. Going behind my back, and being so irresponsible. I think you guys need to talk more than just trying to figure out how to get the money back, but how the relationship degraded to the point that she did all of this without your consent.
> Does anyone have any advice on what we can and should do next?
Assuming your post is genuine focus on your relationship. The money is gone but it went because your relationship isnāt working.
Unless you think emptying the family money in secret is how things should work..
It isnāt and this is worse as you self identify as ādesperateā.
Also. Maybe encourage your partner to get educated in types of financial fraud and scams.
I might get downvoted to hell, but how can people be so easily fooled and have such a lack of financial/real life common sense?
1. How can buying crypto be part of any orientation to a new job?
2. How can it make sense to transfer all your savings in one day, no matter the occasion?
3. How do you think the local police will respond? This is way too much effort to lead to anything meaningful for them.
You and your wife need to communicate clearly what led to this massive screwup. If that kind of money is being handled without both of you sitting down at the table, thatās just plain wrong.
Most likely transferred into multiple other accounts and have left the country. These are most likely pros at what they do. Call the bank that she transferred the money to and see if they can do something. Not sure if a lawyer can do anything but cost you more money.
Hopefully you can get some of the money back and if not, chalk it up to "stupid tax". My wife has done worse with "our" money that "I" made.
Thereās no āother accountsā. Itās crypto. On blockchain. Once on blockchain even the entire JSDFās manpower wouldnāt be able to crack the code and get the coins. Sounds like OP doesnāt even know what wallet itās gone to
I highly doubt she would have made a crypto wallet, sent it to the scammer. She must have got the crypto from some exchange at least. Still worth checking with her bank to reverse it.
After all this, i couldn't allow a joint bank account with her again.
No, I think what the other commenter was saying is that the "other Japanese bank accounts" belonging to the scammers aren't actually other bank accounts at all. They're actually crypto related accounts/wallets/whatever made to seem like trustworthy Japanese bank accounts
Agreed, I couldn't allow access to much money at all after that. Maybe a prepaid card with an allowance
Seriously. Is this a joke? I havenāt checked your post history to see if youāre a legit account.
In any case I play a lot of crypto and am in the investment space. What I can tell you is. If you lost it to scammers in crypto, consider it gone. There is NOTHING the cia or fbi or Peopleās Liberation Army can do, let alone the Japanese government or police.
My advice would be to quickly make plans assuming itās non recoverable rather than wasting time and energy trying to recover it.
Ah - fuck. That sucks. My sister-in-law got taken in by a crypto scam. All she could do was file a report with the police. 350äø gone.
Heads up to anyone following this thread - be very careful with buying crypto - never more than you can afford to lose for one month.
If someone is pressuring you to buy a particular coin - saying how it's going to moon - ignore them.
Why is your wife doing jobs behind your back? There's some serious issues beyond getting scammed.Ā
I would first check to see if she is not held up in some severe debt for host clubs, etc.Ā
Sorry to hear that and of course it\`s a damn big shock to you especially as your wife did it so suddenly. The only thing now is to talk to the bank when it opens but I have to be pessimistic and second what another poster said about the blockchain. Supposedly the money has gone to other Japanese bank accounts but I\`m guessing that is not the reality if we\`re dealing with cryptocurrency here.
I think you need to get the skinny from your wife on who she\`s associating with. You both have been scammed and you should ask her how she came into contact with this \`business\`. Maybe a naive friend recommended it, maybe she has been the victim of a so called friend or acquaintance that you may or may not know.
Maybe without knowing it she has friends/acquaintances with organised crime links - Taiwan has strong conncections with Chinese organised crime that fled mainland China when the Communists came to power. The gangs in Taiwan have exercised a lot of political influence since the country of Taiwan came to be. I am not saying that the Taiwanese community in Japan has this problem but I hope your wife doesn\`t have those kinds of people in her social circles.
I would get a lawyer specialized in financial crime asap.
Make a list of the destination bank account holder names and numbers the money was sent to. Report them to police and the destination banks as well if not yet done so, banks likely will freeze/close those accounts for fraud. The money usually is transferred via multiple levels of victims, but at least it will keep them from going on.
Also, your lawyer will have access to police files and can consider to sue those intermediaries to get the money back.
I know it already happened, but I just want to say that it's definitely a red flag in any scenario when a "job" asks you to use your own money for anything. Also, as harsh as this sounds, once your money is transferred into someone else's crypto account, it's basically game over. Cryptocurrency is notoriously famous for its anonymity. I'm speaking from experience, as someone I'm close to has lost close to 200K+ US dollars on a crypto scam as well. Only thing you and your wife can really do is learn from this mistake and move on. Don't be suicidal and stay strong.
I'm very sorry about what had happened to you.
Can't you ask your bank to cancel the transfers? Call them. Worth a try, no? The best outcome: the funds can all be recouped. Second best: parts of it can be recouped. Worst: none can be recouped. But you shot your shot.
Also might be worth it to find a good interpreter, and go again to the koban.
I hope you have enough funds to cover bills, debts, etc. Meanwhile, keep a close watch on your wife. Limit her access to ANY FUND. LIMIT. Cash only from now on!
Im confused as to why she felt like she needed to gamble away $23,000? You say ādesperateā but most desperate people donāt have a years salary just sitting in their bank account. I think the first thing you do is go get her some help and you both need therapy
>Does anyone have any advice on what we can and should do next?
To achieve what? To get back your money? You are not going to get back a cent of your money. That is the reality.
Since no one forced your wife to do anything, and she did it herself, willingly, there's nothing anyone can do to get the money back. She was deceived, but she still did the transfers by herself not under duress, and that's the key. Sorry, that sucks, but you're just gonna have to educate her to prevent this from happening again
Edit: to the few people commenting below me... What bank will refund you the money after you've transferred them to other accounts yourself, and that money has already been taken out? Certain conditions will require banks to cover your lost money (such as when someone else assumes your identify and moves your money), but my point is that this is not such a case. She moved it to different accounts on her own. What is a lawyer going to do? Yes, thank you for stating the obvious, it's a crime and it's illegal, but a lawyer won't be able to get that money back. Who are they going to sue? Let's consult the police. If they could solve fraud related crime so easily to get people's money back, falling victim to such crimes won't be a problem at all, would it? These scammers are easy to find and arrest, so getting money back from them should be a breeze? Damn, people, fucking think...
It's absolutely not true that unless duress was used fraud stops being a crime or the money is non-recoverable because of that. In practice it may be very hard to actually track down or recover money from scammers but lack of duress is not the key issue.
Fraud is a crime, absolutely. Doesn't mean the bank gives a shit and will take the hit for you to refund your money if you're scammed.
The money in the majority of scam cases is absolutely unrecoverable. It wouldn't be unrecoverable, if say, someone forced wife to give up her debit cards with a gun pointed at her and they used it to go on a shopping spree afterwards. That's actually one of the situations where you could get your money back from the bank. This isn't that type of situation. My point is that this wasn't under duress, and it was done by the wife herself, so it's not a clear cut case of the bank having to take responsibility for lost funds.
You'll make the 3M back faster than the original 3M, according to statistics.
With that said, ya that sucks and it's a hard lesson learned for both of you. While she fell for something that you wouldn't have, your just as responsible for not properly training your wife. If you can view it this way, you can help her heal. If you put all the blame on her, it could ruin your marriage.
At the end of the day, it's just money. At least you still have each other.
OP knows he's been scammed and what to do.
I don't get how anybody else than old folks can still fall for this type of scams. The rule is simple: as soon as somebody asks for money, personal information, that you download a software, no matter the situation or time or how trustworthy the person seems to be, IT IS ALWAYS A SCAM. I am sorry but I can't help you besides telling you that there might be a chance to ask your bank to cancel the bank transfers on grounds of fraudulent transfers, although I wouldn't bet on it.
Desperation, possibly. Desperate to get an employment and somehow managed to avoid seeing all of the š©š©š©desperation is a hell of... something. I hope nobody in this sub and their loved ones will fall for this type of scam.
Alright, Captain Obvious, thanks for posting what should have happened. It did not go down this way, and now OP has lost his life savings through no fault of his own. But thanks for coming into this thread to show how smart you are.
And yet you havenāt posted anything explaining what he should do eitherā¦?
Maybe the wife is 85
Thanks for coming here and dazzling us with your brilliance. No shxt sherlock, they already know ācause they learned the lesson the hard way. People make stupid but honest mistakes, now they need to make the best of their situation. So theyāre looking for tips and guidance for whatās next
Victim blaming worse than posters on here pretend the Japanese police doā¦
I don't know if I could forgive my husband for doing something like this. Going behind my back, and being so irresponsible. I think you guys need to talk more than just trying to figure out how to get the money back, but how the relationship degraded to the point that she did all of this without your consent.
> Does anyone have any advice on what we can and should do next? Assuming your post is genuine focus on your relationship. The money is gone but it went because your relationship isnāt working. Unless you think emptying the family money in secret is how things should work.. It isnāt and this is worse as you self identify as ādesperateā. Also. Maybe encourage your partner to get educated in types of financial fraud and scams.
I might get downvoted to hell, but how can people be so easily fooled and have such a lack of financial/real life common sense? 1. How can buying crypto be part of any orientation to a new job? 2. How can it make sense to transfer all your savings in one day, no matter the occasion? 3. How do you think the local police will respond? This is way too much effort to lead to anything meaningful for them. You and your wife need to communicate clearly what led to this massive screwup. If that kind of money is being handled without both of you sitting down at the table, thatās just plain wrong.
Most likely transferred into multiple other accounts and have left the country. These are most likely pros at what they do. Call the bank that she transferred the money to and see if they can do something. Not sure if a lawyer can do anything but cost you more money. Hopefully you can get some of the money back and if not, chalk it up to "stupid tax". My wife has done worse with "our" money that "I" made.
Thereās no āother accountsā. Itās crypto. On blockchain. Once on blockchain even the entire JSDFās manpower wouldnāt be able to crack the code and get the coins. Sounds like OP doesnāt even know what wallet itās gone to
He said it was sent to various Japanese bank accounts
Seemingly so, but I doubt OP or his wife really know what's going on
I highly doubt she would have made a crypto wallet, sent it to the scammer. She must have got the crypto from some exchange at least. Still worth checking with her bank to reverse it. After all this, i couldn't allow a joint bank account with her again.
No, I think what the other commenter was saying is that the "other Japanese bank accounts" belonging to the scammers aren't actually other bank accounts at all. They're actually crypto related accounts/wallets/whatever made to seem like trustworthy Japanese bank accounts Agreed, I couldn't allow access to much money at all after that. Maybe a prepaid card with an allowance
Seriously. Is this a joke? I havenāt checked your post history to see if youāre a legit account. In any case I play a lot of crypto and am in the investment space. What I can tell you is. If you lost it to scammers in crypto, consider it gone. There is NOTHING the cia or fbi or Peopleās Liberation Army can do, let alone the Japanese government or police. My advice would be to quickly make plans assuming itās non recoverable rather than wasting time and energy trying to recover it.
Ah - fuck. That sucks. My sister-in-law got taken in by a crypto scam. All she could do was file a report with the police. 350äø gone. Heads up to anyone following this thread - be very careful with buying crypto - never more than you can afford to lose for one month. If someone is pressuring you to buy a particular coin - saying how it's going to moon - ignore them.
Why is your wife doing jobs behind your back? There's some serious issues beyond getting scammed.Ā I would first check to see if she is not held up in some severe debt for host clubs, etc.Ā
Sorry to hear that and of course it\`s a damn big shock to you especially as your wife did it so suddenly. The only thing now is to talk to the bank when it opens but I have to be pessimistic and second what another poster said about the blockchain. Supposedly the money has gone to other Japanese bank accounts but I\`m guessing that is not the reality if we\`re dealing with cryptocurrency here. I think you need to get the skinny from your wife on who she\`s associating with. You both have been scammed and you should ask her how she came into contact with this \`business\`. Maybe a naive friend recommended it, maybe she has been the victim of a so called friend or acquaintance that you may or may not know. Maybe without knowing it she has friends/acquaintances with organised crime links - Taiwan has strong conncections with Chinese organised crime that fled mainland China when the Communists came to power. The gangs in Taiwan have exercised a lot of political influence since the country of Taiwan came to be. I am not saying that the Taiwanese community in Japan has this problem but I hope your wife doesn\`t have those kinds of people in her social circles.
I would get a lawyer specialized in financial crime asap. Make a list of the destination bank account holder names and numbers the money was sent to. Report them to police and the destination banks as well if not yet done so, banks likely will freeze/close those accounts for fraud. The money usually is transferred via multiple levels of victims, but at least it will keep them from going on. Also, your lawyer will have access to police files and can consider to sue those intermediaries to get the money back.
I know it already happened, but I just want to say that it's definitely a red flag in any scenario when a "job" asks you to use your own money for anything. Also, as harsh as this sounds, once your money is transferred into someone else's crypto account, it's basically game over. Cryptocurrency is notoriously famous for its anonymity. I'm speaking from experience, as someone I'm close to has lost close to 200K+ US dollars on a crypto scam as well. Only thing you and your wife can really do is learn from this mistake and move on. Don't be suicidal and stay strong.
I'm very sorry about what had happened to you. Can't you ask your bank to cancel the transfers? Call them. Worth a try, no? The best outcome: the funds can all be recouped. Second best: parts of it can be recouped. Worst: none can be recouped. But you shot your shot. Also might be worth it to find a good interpreter, and go again to the koban. I hope you have enough funds to cover bills, debts, etc. Meanwhile, keep a close watch on your wife. Limit her access to ANY FUND. LIMIT. Cash only from now on!
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Im confused as to why she felt like she needed to gamble away $23,000? You say ādesperateā but most desperate people donāt have a years salary just sitting in their bank account. I think the first thing you do is go get her some help and you both need therapy
Your money is unfortunately lost. Extremely common scam
>Does anyone have any advice on what we can and should do next? To achieve what? To get back your money? You are not going to get back a cent of your money. That is the reality.
lawyer...
Since no one forced your wife to do anything, and she did it herself, willingly, there's nothing anyone can do to get the money back. She was deceived, but she still did the transfers by herself not under duress, and that's the key. Sorry, that sucks, but you're just gonna have to educate her to prevent this from happening again Edit: to the few people commenting below me... What bank will refund you the money after you've transferred them to other accounts yourself, and that money has already been taken out? Certain conditions will require banks to cover your lost money (such as when someone else assumes your identify and moves your money), but my point is that this is not such a case. She moved it to different accounts on her own. What is a lawyer going to do? Yes, thank you for stating the obvious, it's a crime and it's illegal, but a lawyer won't be able to get that money back. Who are they going to sue? Let's consult the police. If they could solve fraud related crime so easily to get people's money back, falling victim to such crimes won't be a problem at all, would it? These scammers are easy to find and arrest, so getting money back from them should be a breeze? Damn, people, fucking think...
It's absolutely not true that unless duress was used fraud stops being a crime or the money is non-recoverable because of that. In practice it may be very hard to actually track down or recover money from scammers but lack of duress is not the key issue.
Fraud is a crime, absolutely. Doesn't mean the bank gives a shit and will take the hit for you to refund your money if you're scammed. The money in the majority of scam cases is absolutely unrecoverable. It wouldn't be unrecoverable, if say, someone forced wife to give up her debit cards with a gun pointed at her and they used it to go on a shopping spree afterwards. That's actually one of the situations where you could get your money back from the bank. This isn't that type of situation. My point is that this wasn't under duress, and it was done by the wife herself, so it's not a clear cut case of the bank having to take responsibility for lost funds.
Respectfully, you have no idea what you are talking about. Is this just your feelings about the situation?Ā
It's the equivalent of buying magic beans on the back of a Costco
Tell me how to get money back in this situation then. What can OP do to get his money back? Respectfully, inform me
Wow that is grounds for divorce. You are Fād no chance the bank can do anything. Didnāt know anyone under 70 fell for this scam
You'll make the 3M back faster than the original 3M, according to statistics. With that said, ya that sucks and it's a hard lesson learned for both of you. While she fell for something that you wouldn't have, your just as responsible for not properly training your wife. If you can view it this way, you can help her heal. If you put all the blame on her, it could ruin your marriage. At the end of the day, it's just money. At least you still have each other.
I need to start scamming too. Y'all make it way too easy to get free money.
Lawyer to get your money back and then divorce your wife.
From who? The blockchain?
Lawyer to go go after someone who is probably from a third world country?....