The process is also like 70% longer than it used to be. Is it just me or did it only take a few weeks to go through the hiring process from the time you submitted your application in years past? Like I just got a request on one I put in back in February.
If those companies are anything like mine they’ve cut their recruiting depts down to a skeleton crew so they’re too overwhelmed to get through things more timely.
We've been trying to hire for our team for over a year, need to hire about 20 people. We have current team members sending in referrals and our recruiter can't keep up. They're so backlogged that it's taking 4-12 weeks to get to the direct referrals, and by then people have found other jobs (competitive market for these skills). So our management team is skipping the mandated process and direct hiring people, bypassing the corporate structure.
I'm also having employers reach out to me from jobs I applied to 8+ months ago. Seems the person they hired didn't work out, so they comb through all the applications they've been collecting and hope someone is desperate enough to still want to interview there.
A couple months ago I got a call for a simple handyman job I applied to in February 2022 asking If i was still interested.. like my whole life has entered a whole new segment
I'm in university rn, working on the side.
It's not uncommon here for people to send into our Semester whatsapp group if their jobs are looking for people. I asked for info about the job a few days after one was posted and they got back to me about 6 weeks after.
Like what took you six week to tell me what you're hiring for
The ghosting is out of control. There are several spots that I've interviewed for already that I've written off because they haven't responded. It doesn't help that they make it super clear that they have a large pool of applicants to pull from during the interview a lot of the time. I mean I'm glad I'm getting interviews but a little feedback or response of some kind would be helpful. If/when I have to hire people again I'm going to make it a point not to do this nonsense to people.
I've never (or very rarely) not had someone reply when I sent a post-interview courtesy email. That has drastically changed with ghosting. I've sent several and received no follow up.
One I got a mix of a half customized/half auto-generated email rejecting me after I went through 4 interviews...for a position I didn't even apply for. Apparently halfway through the interview process they changed the title of the role....SMH
Just interviewed yesterday for a job I forgot I applied to back in December. They asked if I would like to interview and if I remember what the job I applied to was. I did not.
Yeah, I tried to look at the job description for the one that reached out, and it was no longer posted. So I know the basics of what the job was supposed to be and a general salary range but nothing about the actual responsibilities nor whether or not it was hybrid/remote/in-person. I have no idea. Luckily I had started my tracker in January so at least I could place when I applied.
I’m a manager and have some underperforming folks. PIPs are coming but in the mean time my director said to just post a req because “it will get the message across and it’s not like you have to actually hire anyone.” Lots of these postings probably don’t actually have jobs behind them.
I had a job years ago that had a job posted for a position that did not exist at the store I worked at. Talked to a manager about it out of curiosity and the job was never to be posted and was an error. Well, a recruiter sends an applicant to have an interview with my manager. The manager was in another store that day (he was over multiple stores.) The guy was understandably pissed when he found out that he was lied to by the recruiter.
The unpaid testing is what gets me.
I applied to 2 places that literally made you take a 30 minute course and test before you could send your application.
How the fuck is that even legal?
Another thing that I've noticed is that you have to have the *PERFECT* resume, have to have laser precision level wording and if you're one word off, that's it.
It should not be rocket science making a resume. You shouldn't have to have the "perfect" formatting, or the "perfect" wording. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to bypass an ATS.
I got so tired of having to hand craft and tailor my resume for each application just for it to be seen that I've almost stopped applying all together. Luckily I have a job I guess.
From what I understand, it's because employers are getting thousands and thousands of applications almost daily.
They have to weed out all the bots, people who are in different countries, clearly aren't qualified. It's not like before the internet where the only way to get a job was to go directly to the employer and hand in a resume- which is something entirely lacking from the current process we have today. There is no chance for anyone to properly stand out among the rest when it's all just electronic resumes and no person to attach them to.
It's hell for both sides, people can't get jobs and employers can't get actual competent staff.
>The process is also like 70% longer than it used to be.
You're underestimating by a lot.
Most of my jobs took 1 or 2 interviews to accomplish (for the sake of simplicity, I'll ignore the initial 3rd party recruiter interview, of which I normally did only once across multiple job searches).
Even for senior roles, I only had to go to 3 interviews one time. Those interviews ranged from 30 minutes to 60 minutes. I think I only went to 90 minutes once, in what was essentially a panel interview.
People are routinely getting 45-90 minute interviews, with 4+ rounds -- and that's before you count all the homework time, etc.
Even if I generously give each interview process of the past a 2 hour baseline, 4+ rounds, with all the extra assessment time is at least 6 hours of interviewing. Even if you said 5 hours, that's 150% longer (3 extra hours) than before, or 250% of the total duration as before.
Way, way more than 70% longer, and the only positive part of hiring today vs pre-pandemic, is that it has a good chance to be online vs in person -- at least for some rounds.
I applied for a job like six months ago. I ended up getting an internal promotion to a much more comfortable and laid back position in my company for more money so I stopped caring/looking for new gigs. I got an email yesterday saying that original job I applied for was choosing not to move forward with my application. Like, thanks dude, kinda figured that.
I had a test for a job back in October that just contacted me for an interview last week.
Government job, so I guess that explains the delay, but jeez.
offshoring is the first killer. i was interviewing actively for this on-site position 10 miles away from me. recruiter then informed me yesterday that the position was moved to canada. the salary in canada is 50% lower than in US. Can you imagine how much cheaper it is in india and ukraine, poland, croatia.
I've worked with those Indians as well, who have recently came to Canada. They all miss home. They were promised high paying tech jobs when they got here. Tech jobs might as well be practically non existent here there is so much competition.
I'm sure that's an issue for some jobs, but literally the whole process now is a pain in the ass. I don't understand how the majority of the population are getting jobs anymore without knowing someone.
The Philippines too. Several jobs I interviewed for they had assistants who were based in the Philippines. I was like, wut? The assistant was on the phone the entire time.
Loads of call centers in USA were shut down at my last job over the last few years. All routed thru Philippines now. I won’t say what company but it was one of the most universally hated corporations out there!
Call centers being outsourced is so ridiculous, too. When you're calling because you need assistance with something, a language barrier can make resolving that issue nearly impossible!
I called Amazon two days ago to resolve a missing item in a recent shipment. I spoke to someone in India and one of the very first things she asked me, which I’d never been asked before is, “can you understand me?” She had a thick accent but she enunciated her words so I was able to understand quite well.
But yes, it’s a very strange thing to resolve an issue that occurred in the U.S. by someone halfway across the world. Are there any incentives or some kind of legislation to keep jobs in the U.S. It’s such a crapshoot these days when calling any type of customer service. When I get an American on the other side I’m inwardly relieved and take note of the company.
then we get scam calls. it is crazy to me because our data in each country is not protected at all
they work from home too.. keeping jobs away from parents or people who are trying to have a good life in usa who have lived here and their parents for years building the economy
Canadians are basically the white collar "Mexicans" at this point. My canadian cousin just got a job here in the US, his friend works here too and their other friend works in a different state. All fresh out of college.
All of my cousins have had a friend working here, from programming to accounting to biotech.
[ukraine,poland,hungary,croatia,slovakia,romania 172 job postings.](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&workmodel=remote&locations=ukraine,poland,hungary,croatia,slovakia,romania&c=Engineering)
[india 187](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&workmodel=&locations=india&c=Engineering),
[US 21](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&locations=united-states&c=),
multiply this by 100s of other companies offshoring.
Boomers in govt dont want to regulate on American companies offshoring American jobs or doing dumb shit like training up the workforce in those nations while having no equivalent program here because they are happily invested in those same companies and riding that last pump before they dump on future Americans. Really sold us out at every turn they could.
I worked for a big law firm (that made big promises and broke them by the way) that outsourced some of our work to India. Which I’m only chiming in here to say that I’m not entirely sure that was even legal to do and wondering if there are any lawyers on here tha can confirm that for me. Like people are getting their documents processed by people that aren’t United States citizens…pretty sure that’s not supposed to happen
When people think automation they for some reason think fast food and manual labor, when in reality, the mechanical components that go into physical work are way more difficult to incorporate into software than work that's entirely done through software already.
Long long long before McDonalds relies on a 90% robot staff per store will 90% of office work be eliminated. And it's detrimental.
As someone who works in the logistics industry, they are already in the process of automating as much as possible. There's still jobs that are currently impossible for a robot to do, such as loading the shelves of a UPS package car, but they are shutting buildings down in several regions to gut the facility and remodel for automation. We will have significantly fewer sorters and scanners, and the majority of jobs will just be unloading and loading trailers, and unloading/loading package cars. Of course there will still be clerks for address corrections and illegible labels, designated responders for damaged and/or leaking packages, and a handful of niche jobs around the building. But my understanding is that once these buildings are automated, they are capable of running the same amount of volume with about 1/3 less people. There are close to 250k UPS Teamsters, around 60% of them being part timers who work inside the building, and they're going to be the ones who take the brunt of the blow.
I hear you man. I network, reach out, write my heart out on a fucking substack. Nothing works. WTF. I am so tired of constantly hustling without any progress.
There are no jobs in Canada since 2008
It is irresponsible for Canadian government to invite more people to compete for very few jobs with Canadian population
I tried to apply on Target and get rejected 3 times in 2 months. All of them passed interview process. It felt weird because i thought Target is one of the easiest place to get a job.
So definitely something is going on in job market
In 2009 during the crisis I was hired to work at Target like instantly. It felt so demoralizing at the time as I had a whole background in a white collar job. To add to my story, 3 days later I landed a white collar interview and got that job so I never ended up working at Target. Now I'm struggling 14+ years later.
You would think stores like Target or even Walmart would be easy to get into considering the constant need for people, but I swear, they're the hardest to get into.
Target is so weird! They forced me to apply at their store pc. This was more than 10 years ago, as a kid.
I answered like 5 basic questions (like name, what color are you, are you Hispanic/Latino, etc) and then it immediately said something like "Sorry, we don't have any positions available for you at this time." I literally laughed out loud.
I had forgotten about this. Good times...
LOLLLLL thats true! First interview they offer me few position, and i got rejected because the position is already filled. A week later i applied to the same store, and got call and they offer me the same exact position (which they said already filled). Got rejected again. And the 3rd time applied, got call, offering the same exact position that they say alrady filled couple weeks ago, boom got rejected again.
They are literal BS.
I am having the EXACT same issue. Got laid off in 2022, was a highly sought after candidate before that and have not been able to find a good job since.
Are you having the same issues with the application process? Or is it interviews? I can't even get past most of these applications. I had one interview and i don't think the liked me and didn't even return my call when they specifically told me to call back. I got ghosted.
Isn’t this just end stage capitalism? Profits at the expense of livelihoods?
I thought what’s happening now was always going to happen. It’s only going to get worse.
I just got laid off a couple weeks ago. I feel your pain OP. Companies really don’t give a shit anymore. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
Had a few interviews myself, got a bachelors of science in a STEM field, applying for a range of jobs related to the degree and the interviews I got were for semi related sectors, unrelated job description. Just for them to say I’m a promising candidate, offer to have me apply for another position too cuz they like me then to not get offered either. I can’t even get an entry level simple job in my field. Neither of you are alone as this post is obviously indicating 🥲. Let’s hope it gets better.
I have no idea. I have never had this much trouble looking for a job until now, and I’m not even anyone special or highly skilled. Now I feel lucky to get an interview, and even then I can count on three or four rounds and maybe hearing something, or employers calling my references without making an offer rather than as the final step in confirming an offer.
I’m so tired of even applying at this point. I tried to force myself to do applications last night and just couldn’t but at least I have a job in the meantime if I need to breathe for a day or two.
Yes that's fucked because it makes any busy person less likely to let you use them as a reference at all.
I have been used as a reference, and I want to be called once for each person who uses me, to be the final confirmation that you should hire that person.
Right? When my references used to be checked upon receiving an offer, everything was always fine. Offer was never rescinded. Now employers call and even if the conversations are great, they can say sorry we went in a different direction. Why call if you’re not even going to make an offer or are the slightest bit unsure? There has to be a better way.
You would invest in the idea that the value of the stock would go up over a certain period and then sell the stock to someone who thinks that the stock will continue to rise. Those metrics are indicators of how much other investors will value the stock, not how much the company makes in reality.
In other words, it is one high-stakes game of hot potato. The person at the end with a cold potato will get to find out if the company is profitable or not; generally, it is not.
Doubtful. It certainly can't be a common reason. Why would an investor use "jobs posted" and not "people actually hired" as the metric by which to judge how well or fast a company is growing?
I don't know why it's become such a popular take on reddit that "people are posting jobs because it makes them look good" because it has zero correlation to real life, but I see people say it all the time. I've been with a publicly traded company, the investors do not give a single fuck about how many jobs are posted. It's not even a metric it would occur to them to measure because it's completely meaningless to company performance. Growing or shrinking headcount is the only thing that they would care about at all, because number of job postings has zero effect one way or another on your finances.
If they *did* decide to dig into that it would actually be a negative - if you have a ton of posts for jobs you're not able to fill, that calls all sorts of things about the company into question. Do you have bad hiring managers? Does your recruitment suck? Does your company have a negative reputation that is stopping people from applying? None of it would look good for the company doing it.
It’s also a thing for companies to post jobs online that they have zero intention of filling externally. They already know who will take the job, and it’s someone already employed at the company. But they post the job to give the appearance of competition and “we’re hiring!”
You can blame US laws for that one. Either companies are legally required to, if they a federal contract, or companies do it to avoid discrimination allegations.
I think so. I applied and interviewed for a position that denied me at almost 11:00pm and I see that job keeps getting reposted on Indeed. It’s so hard out here,
I’m on linked in looking at customer service roles and I see the pay is $23 (not bad for customer service, definitely not livable in the location they’re advertising - BC) and the interview process is an initial 30 min interview, then the last step is a 1 hr interview where you’re expected to present a topic of your choice and answer any questions for it. Like be so serious rn why tf do you have to do a presentation for a customer service role this is not a university class
Who is sitting around evaluating these “presentations”? Or do they have an AI who evaluates your posture and tone of voice plus use of certain words and converts it to a number where they rank candidates?
I can’t imagine they would be paying someone in HR to watch hours of video of someone talking about Pokémon Go or their cat. How ridiculous!
Is this for Telus?
If this is for Telus I'd guess it was actually sales disguised as customer service, so I think the presentation makes more sense that way (this happened to me with Rogers).
I graduated with a master's in 2022, and I'm honestly just thinking about buying one of those $20 houses in Italy and opening up an American restaurant there.
Genuine warning:
These houses are not as cheap as they appear. They generally require you to have the building renovated as part of the purchase agreement. Expect one of those $20 houses to cost about €40,000 - €200,000 in repairs and renovation. Secondly, they are in locations with decreasing populations, so the property values are likely to continue to decline over the next 40 years.
Other than that you may need to consider the process for migrating to an EU country and Italy in particular. The exam TLDR is that most EU countries want US citizens to have a stable income before migrating. If you have citizenship in another EU country then it is much simpler, though it is frequently still more complicated than just deciding to move to another country.
I just got passed over for an entry level position in an industry I have 9 years experience in. Had to take some time off work to provide hospice care for a family member and trying to get back into an industry I love seems absolutely a nonstarter. :/ I just want a job that will pay my bills 😩
I’ve been job hunting for 4 months. I feel super stuck because:
1. No room for growth or even a raise at my current employer. My narcissistic, micro managing coworker got promoted over me despite my boss training me to essentially do his job over the past 6 months.
2. I’m at the top end of the salary range for my type of role in the industry.
3. I’ve had a handful of interviews for roles that would be the next step up (supervisory), and no one will give me a chance since I don’t have experience at THEIR company.
That's the catch-22. Companies want to hire candidates who already have experience in the role they're trying to fill. But you can't get the experience if you can't get hired into the role. Companies are interested more in lateral-move hiring. It's lower risk.
I graduated during covid. It started off with me getting a few interviews. Then covid ended and I got ghosted not only by employers but by the entire job market. It's like living in another world now.
Exactly the situation with my nephew. Graduated in 2020 and took an entry level job at a dme sales company doing intake but he quit jan 2023 and have had bad luck finding anything that isn't paying less than $24/hr. He is applying to state and local gov positions because he cant find anything related to his major willing to even interview him. His last one was at a wc review company but my niece knew the owners and got the job instead.
Exactly my situation. Graduated with a PhD in a stem field right when Covid started. Can barely get interviews, let alone a job. I plan at this point is to ditch the US and go teach at international schools in Asia or Middle East. The job market here is wrecked and only going to get worse.
I'm waiting on a 3rd interview, my first interview was April 1st.... I thought I was ghosted but they called last week to say they're interested but busy. Lol
I tried not to laugh in my MIL’s face when she said I should be getting 3 interviews a week according to the “job market availability” locally and “very low unemployment rate”
My parents are the same.
Been retired for three years.
All he did was airline pilot too. Easiest shit. Just apply to airlines and get in.
They do not understand the grave situation of this current job market.
That too.
I mean, he only had to work at two airlines in his middle to later career years anyway.
Unlike today. Where if you want a living wage you have to change jobs every few years…
What are you applying to? This seems absolutely insane.
Edit: To add some context to this comment, I am in no way disparaging anyone. I have no idea what you guys do, what you’re applying to or where you live.
I work in sales, have since I’ve been 16 years old. I have moved across industries three times in the last decade across the US. I’m trying to get a better understanding of what people are facing to better understand my future.
I have had a "similar" experience. 300+ applications, some over email, more with cover letters, all with no interviews. The jobs? Junior software developer, junior product owner, vending machine resupplier, warehouse employee, supermarket cashier, delivery driver, office drone, roofer, line worker, baker and the list can go on forever. I don't care about anything except minimum ~€1.8k per month post-tax with a normal, 40-hour, Mo-Fr, 8-4/9-5 schedule.
It's draining to a level I have yet encountered. Dragging my behind back home after 10-12 hours of driving for Amazon just to take a shower, eat some food, apply for other jobs, sleep, repeat for 6 days a week, be comatose for a Sunday, repeat it all again... It's soul-crushing.
Yupppp ! I got lucky at the current company I work at because I didn’t know anyone… but Wow, the amount of people that got in because of a reference is actually unbelievable. “Brother in Law” “Friend” “coworker from another company” etc …. forgot to add the senior guys getting their sons into the company
I’ve had multiple jobs string me along for months, making me jump thru all the hoops, just to give it to another candidate. I try not to take it personally, there’s always the chance it’s going to go to someone else, but it’s maddening to have that carrot dangling in front of you for weeks and weeks just to be told you have to start over somewhere else. I’d rather just be told no outright than get strung along like that.
The tech job market in particular is over saturated.
Many tech companies over-hired during Covid then got rid of a lot of these staff in order to cut costs to meet profit goals (to appease share holders).
In addition, Interest rates are high which means companies are unwilling to approve new projects.
Also, as supply outstrips demand, companies can pick and choose who they want - they can take their time to get unicorns in terms of skills/experience they could never dream of before.
If you’re young count yourself lucky tbh.
I’m late 40s trying to re-enter the job market after mostly being a stay at home mom.
I am lacking in tech skills and feel I’m seen as a liability due to my age & future poss health issues.
I am positive I’m getting passed over by younger candidates who are more up to date on tech.
I’ve only had to do some zoom sessions for my kids schools & even then had tech issues lol.
I’m terrified about having to figure out new systems and working with people young enough to be my kids who will prob call me boomer & get annoyed when I ask questions or can’t always retain directions the first time😵💫
I see young people complaining employers only want to hire people with experience they don't have yet, and older people lamenting no one wants to look twice at someone their age. At this point I have to question who the fuck is getting hired? Superman? No, they would probably say he's overqualified.
Nope, I'm 39 with 21 years of experience, a pretty extensive resume, and I have been applying to hundreds of jobs for about a year now. So far two interviews that made it to the final rounds before they went with someone else and a third one that the interviewer didn't even show up to the zoom call. I agree with everyone else who says we need to collectively hold corporations responsible for their bullshit
Exactly! It’s mind boggling. And I actually was hired right after college for a fortune500 company in downtown ATL. Great sales job, good money. Gave that up to stay home & start my family. I do have some recent experience as I helped run a small biz w/ my former husb for a decade. But that doesn’t seem to matter now since it was mostly admin/accounting & im looking to get back into sales so my experience in sales is 2 decades old by now 😭. I was going to see if a recruiter could help but it’s also looking like I may have to find a temp agency and be willing to do temp to perm and maybe even part time to start. I’m not even looking for WFH! I’d actually prefer onsite or hybrid a couple days home. I truly never thought I’d get so much rejection, totally thought I could land a job not long after applying. A total reality check for sure. Scary that it could actually get much worse before better.
> younger candidates who are more up to date on tech
Do NOT let yourself believe this.
I have been in tech for 20+ years and recent grads / 20-somethings are unbelievably terrible and understanding what they're doing, incapable of understanding concepts of technology.
You can brush up on tech skills online. As someone who used to be responsible for hiring, I always cared 100% more about attitude. Does the person seem receptive to coaching? Are they willing to learn and change? Do they have the ability to be humble and ask for help, then really accept being taught? I know there are people who discriminate by age for both younger and older people, but the vast majority just want someone who is reliable and capable of being trained.
For instance, you *could* be proactive to learn the basics of whatever required tech familiarity is in the job listing. Then in the interview advocate for yourself by pointing out you’ve been managing a home for however many years. You also don’t come with any bad habits that people in whatever industry may have developed from being in it for X number of years— you’re a clean slate they can mold to the business needs
My local library offers classes on tech literary, starting with computer fundamentals going onto more complex Microsoft applications like Excel, Word, PowerPoint etc.
I truly believe tech skills are very acquirable, and a lot of people struggle because they are missing something fundamental. A lot of tech-savvy is just knowing where to click and what/how to search to make the application do what you want. Almost every modern computer application (apart from some freeware stuff and certain web pages) I have ever used is tremendously user-friendly and will have answers for most problems if you know what you want/need to do.
Sounding like you know your way around a computer/basic application and softwares will go a long way in your job search. It's basically required these days at most office jobs. But you can learn these things! I believe in you, and everyone who struggles with computer stuff. I can imagine it will be scary as there's a sharp learning curve. But definitely do-able. Kids start learning the basics at around 5 or earlier so adults can definitely learn!
If it’s any consolation, I got my first office job at 30. There was a woman in her 60s who started as a receptionist and moved into my department before I got there. Her professionalism and experience and emotional support were an absolute asset even if she lacked tech skills where I would happily help her out with.
Yep. Amidst a supposed teacher shortage, I have to fill out lengthy applications for every single job, including inputting all the info from my resume and then uploading my resume.
It feels like every has a hiring freeze, but keep the wheels turning just for show honesty.
An insider told me that they had a hiring freeze at a specific plant I applied to, but the positions kept getting posted so as not to bring morale down internally and keep everyone hoping help was coming.
This is actually an interesting angle to consider. The people quiet quitting are also the same people sending out more applications then normal. So now the hiring staff is taking on tons more applications from employed and unemployed, draining resources, and interviewing people who already have a job who are just in a holding pattern waiting for the best gig with no real financial pressure to accept. The idea of bouncing around every 2-3 years could now be making it difficult for not only employees, but employers, and the unemployed who are now competing against a ton of people who have a job and not just those seeking employment from nothing.
The unemployed person isn't needed because the quiet quitters fill in most positions but now the unemployed have to compete with everyone shifting around who originally weren't. Doubling everyone's time and competing with those who have jobs but no pressure to quit and better experience/resumes when originally the unemployed were really facing just other unemployed.
It's like drawing a card from a deck and then shuffling that card back in to draw from again. The pool isn't ever getting smaller but maybe the deck is only 10 cards and not 20. Half the jobs are taken and twice as many people are looking for the ones left without creating more by leaving.
My strategy advice would be to apply for stuff outside your target role/field if you aren’t doing so already. Works best if your skills are very transferable.
I recently was hired at a global financial firm with the help of a sibling who did an internal recommendation. Hiring process was long due to all the compliance checks and background they had to do, but overall pretty easy and straight forward.
My heart goes out to you. Getting ghosted by anyone hurts, especially when that person is linked to your fucking survival on this planet.
I feel like I need to frequent this sub just to stay grateful for what I have.
What are you applying for?
I had issues after the military finding anything other than entry level damn near minimum wage. Went to trade school for wind, solar and telecommunications. Got a job offer while at school for wind at a great starting pay.
I’d consider jumping fields
Went to Airstreams Renewables in California. Their main audience is Veterans and their families, but if you got $18k they accept anyone. They just don’t offer FAFSA, but they do have a grant.
They taught the basics for Wind, Solar, and Telecommunications towers. I went specifically for wind and landed a job working on Wind Turbines starting at $59k/yr plus health benefits and 6% match on retirement. Also, tons of Overtime and end of the year bonuses. I’ll probably make $30-40k in O.T alone and aiming to hit 70-80k for working 8 months out of this year.
Thank you. It’s nice to just know I’m not the only one. I’m in the same boat. Today it’s been officially a year of being unemployed without receiving any unemployment benefits. I was a scientist until a layoff derailed my whole life. That was my purpose. Not having one anymore has placed me in a very dark place. I have no positive feelings about this anymore. I scroll jobs while sobbing. It’s a panic attack starter. Yesterday I went to a job fair and sobbed the entire way there. I had a nervous breakdown once I got home.
If I don’t find a job by July, I’m 100% homeless on the streets. I graduated top of my class. I don’t know how this became my life, staring down homelessness. I’m terrified. Suicide is definitely now on the table.
I’m going to pipe in here as a small business owner (12 employees) Info: we offer a *very* competitive starting salary, no industry experience required, flexible scheduling, but it’s local work (it’s best you live within a 30min radius), and you must have a vehicle - it’s a great job but pretty specific.
I posted on Craigslist & Indeed - in 4 days received WELL OVER 300 RESUMES. That’s an insane amount to sort through for a small local business.
After narrowing it down to only the “best” most qualified people - I still had 50 people I was seriously interested in interviewing. In the past that number would have been 5. I narrowed it down to 25 x 40+ min interviews - which I completed in 3 days (on top of already working 70 hours/week)
I hired 3 people - 1 more than planned. I got 10 emails after sending a thank you/rejection email asking me to contact them for future work, or even for shift/summer work.
I can see how great people are falling thru the cracks & people can’t understand why they’re not finding work. I feel for everyone looking for work right now.
The volume received is so unmanageable you have no choice but to get extremely ruthless. In my posting it says “send your resume & a bit about yourself to [email]…
- No cover letter or “about” = deleted
- Didn’t follow application instructions = deleted
- Spelling/grammar (within reason) = deleted
- Evident the post wasn’t read in full = deleted
- If they send a cover letter but it’s 2-3
generic sentences (ie: “I am interested in this position & feel my skills would be an asset to your company. My resume is attached. Thank you”) = deleted.
- Eagerness & ambition is great, but harassing me with 3 emails and 2 phone calls in 48 hours (when I’ve emailed saying you are a candidate and I will contact you in the next few days to setup an interview) = I’m going to move on and not interview that person
As an employer you feel bad - anyone with an ounce of empathy should - but there is just SO much competition right now.
I *had* to prioritize the people who evidently took the time to look into our company, wrote a cover letter specific to us, and related their experience to the position they’re applying for.
I don’t really have advice, nor do I feel it’s appropriate to give any because (while not all) I know many/most of you are doing all the right things.
I will say - I think anything past a cover letter & resume is a ridiculous ask. I understand in *some* fields it’s necessary, but I also feel companies are using it as a test to see “how serious” an applicant is by how much work or effort they will put into applying. It’s a disrespectful, ridiculous ask.
Good luck to you all! I’m sorry for the situation many of you are in.
If you do get an offer it will be a low ball offer, if you don’t take there is some other sucker who will do it for less with lower salary and less experience.
Sometimes you have to take the role just to get by vs no paycheck and still keep on looking for looking. With most jobs moving overseas from accounting to tech, it’s a tough pill to swallow especially when the unemployment benefits have run dry. My dad may settle for 40% less than the what he was making to keep up with this bullshit economic conditions.
It’s absolutely ridiculous out hear. I’ve been looking for job since Nov of 2022 and have no luck almost two years later. I never imagined this is what I would be dealing with post grad.
So while I’m teaching myself new skills I should be submitting resumes now, so by the time I get a call, text or e-mail for an interview, I’ll be ready for the assessment. I’ll have at least a year to study hard.
Trust me it’s been a horrible year for me for finding jobs. I’ve had a few companies I interviewed with recently speak highly of me and say they are very interested and will definitely be hearing from them blah blah blah. Then I never hear from them again until I reach out and they tell me “I’m sorry we found another candidate. Thank you very much for your time!” It’s definitely been brutal
Oy, I just quit a really awful job that was making me really depressed and anxious, then threads like this make me afraid and that I should have stayed.
I felt the same way, chose to stay, and ended up laid off anyway. So you really never know what would’ve happened. Don’t beat yourself up too much or play that game just be proud the awfulness from that job is over at least!
I was let go from my job May 15, 2023 (the company declined to extend my medical leave past the FMLA requirement despite the fact I was still undergoing treatment).
I've applied to over 300 jobs since then (I stopped counting at 300, which I hit back in March). I've gotten 3 interviews, 62 rejections, and 235+ no-responses.
This is in contrast to my last job move back in 2019, where it took me less than 2 weeks to find a new position.
I'm sure it's a combination of factors, but whatever they are, it needs to change. My unemployment ran out months ago, as did our savings.
I’m hesitant to give an actual answer to this because everyone’s just going to downvote the hell out of me, so my only request is don’t shoot the messenger…
I know several places that are trying to hire people but their two big issues are (1) they don’t have the budget to pay as much as people need to be / should be making, and (2) it has become way, way more common for people to take a job and then leave after just a few months when they get a better offer or simply decide they don’t like the job. The two feed off of each other, and there’s frustration over some workplaces that take advantage of the situation and advertise high pay but then either bait and switch or are just miserable places to work - so employees will either quit from there too or at least try to leverage it.
The problem is that employees actually cost the company money for the first year or so, unless it’s a temp or “unskilled labor” type job. So they would rather just not have new employees at all than to hire someone who says they really want the job but then leaves after three months. So they’re way more cautious and much less likely to hire, which unfortunately means a much longer and taxing hiring process. And of course they’re not going to get much sympathy from workers, who just say “well employers don’t deserve loyalty” which, probably true, but it means they’re going to still get a ton of start-and-quit hires for the foreseeable future
Submit your resume.
Okay, now fill out this application.
Even though your job history is on your resume, which we asked for, please document the last decade of your employment history.
*ghosts or rejects after 2+ weeks*
I have a PhD and 5 years experience in my field and still couldn't get hired in 6 months. Finally I took a contract role in a different field for $21/hour. Still looking in my main field.
The corporate world started going mad with processes on top of processes a good 20 years ago. It’s due to idiots wanting to put their two cents in and before you know it there’s a mountain of processes and hoops and loops everywhere. The corporate work has gone mad.
It’s harder because the ruling class wants it to be harder. During covid people saw that the world wouldn’t end if they took time off or worked from home, and this gave workers more power. It’s the same reason the Fed is raising rates and companies are laying off thousands of employees. All connected.
even as a 17 year old in the uk, it's brutal
i've been nonstop scrolling and applying since the beginning of this year and i've hit that point where i cannot be arsed to keep going anymore, even when we need the money to afford my driving lessons, i have an interview on thursday and after that, if it's the same as my previous 2 interviews, i'm gonna just give up and put all of my energy into freelance programming instead
Inflation is making people desperate for any jobs so there is plenty of workforce which makes companies look for a unicorn that doesn't exist.
I hate to say this but companies now have the power. They can pick and choose whomever they want.
This is why: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-job-openings-fall-8-141732496.html
The fed is holding rates high to combat inflation, causing hiring to dip and companies lay off. There won’t be hiring until the fed begins to slash rates, which they announced yesterday it’s not this month. Next time they announce is July, and if rates aren’t lowered then it’s September.
I’m right there with you though. 1.5 years of unemployment and nearly 600+ job applications. Anytime I have an interview it’s ghosting or the job is “put on hold”. It’s far worse than 2008 IMO.
I don’t know about other industries but at the tech company I work there was a noticeable rise in the amount of fraud and misrepresentation among candidates. Feels like too many people were trying the fake it till you make it strategy and because of it we put in more checks and balances to weed them out.
Lost my full time job in 2023. It’s almost been a year of unemployment now. Only had a part time temp job for a couple months but that was always going to end. Almost ended up homeless. The industry I got my degree for and gave everything for (entertainment) has been fucked for a while but 2023 - now has been something else entirely.
I have nothing, never been this broke, this tired, this demoralized, I had to move back in with family. I really don’t know what to do, every job I’ve gotten interviews and then 2nd interviews so on just to see “we went with another candidate” weeks later or just ghostings. I try applying for service jobs, even back to fast food jobs, and nothing. Yet they all say they’re hiring. And now lots of part-time jobs are going for 30 or 32 hours…just icing on the cake of “yes work but no benefits”.
I hate our system so much, for countless reasons, but what I hate that most is that it makes you feel like a failure, since you didn’t hustle enough, that you aren’t working hard enough, when it takes an hour to apply to the “good” jobs on their website. You can be written off by the company at the drop of a hat, for any reason, ruining your life because some nebulous unseen owner or shareholder needs a fraction of a percentage point more in revenue/dividends whatever.
And I hate how it makes me get irrationally mad at people I know complaining about their jobs. I’ll take your job, today, doesn’t matter what the fuck industry you’re in or doing, I’ll do it if it gets me out of my current living situation and gets me an income, and benefits.
Mostly it's the market: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/us-job-openings-fall-to-lowest-level-since-2021?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/us-job-openings-fall-to-lowest-level-since-2021?leadSource=reddit_wall)
Folks I’m interested. Can you provide your age range is it everyone? I’m in my 30s and I’ve been trying for about 2 years now now luck. How old are people in this thread?
It's just crazy the amount of blockages there are to even get an interview. I have literally seen too many to count and they come in all different types so you never know what's coming. It's ridiculous we have to make an account to even see what we're dealing with. Fuck that.
Having a job is also a luxury. We had a “talk” at my company today about “restructuring” the workforce. Thankfully, our department isn’t affected, but others who were essentially have a month to apply for a different position at our place or go elsewhere. 🤨
On the flip side of things (retail world). About 80% of all our applicants who get an interview from us don't even show up for the interview. About 50% of all people hired also do not show up for their first day. It's all ghosting from start to finish. Application to interview to job offer is inside of a week.
What we see/hear are complaints about places hiring but not actually hiring and how difficult it is to get a job and then the same people who are being jerked around ghost us and cause other people to not be considered and waste their time too. So the people being hurt in this terrible job hunting world end up hurting the people in their same shoes.
It's mind boggling.
Absolutely relatable, my favorite is when they have signs plastered everywhere "Urgently hiring" or "Doing walk in interviews" only to be blown off or told that doing walk in interviews are against policy and need to be applied for online.
I have definitely seen a trend where places demand 5 years plus experience for jobs that pay something like 15 or 16 dollar an hour jobs. Worst one i have ever seen was a position demanding for a teacher to have a masters degree, 5 years minimum of experience alongside several other qualifications I cannot remember (seen this like a year or so ago) for the position to pay 12 dollars an hour. Absolutely ridiculous.
I lost my job back in 2023. It took almost 5 months of countless applying, getting ghosted at interviews, being placed in fake "group" interview video calls to finally get a job, and even then, I had an issue with the job opening canceling once and then getting delayed for another 2 months. During those 2 months, I still continue to apply at other jobs, but nothing. I have even done a few AI video interviews.
Thankfully, that job actually started, and I'm still working.. But if that job was to do another mass layoff... I'm honestly concerned about how long it would be for me to find another job!
The job market is extremely horrible no matter the experience and education you have, you will have issues landing a job.
I haven’t tried it yet but someone mentioned copy the description of the job with all the key words and past it into the background of your resume but make the text white. It won’t show up but the AI that many companies now use to sort out resumes will pick up that info.
Because silently every business, and sole proprieter in 2020 got 350,000-3 million dollars to business expense and float money and don't have to pay it back, or have to pay fractions back at 1% or less. They are trying to save money now until inflation goes down again. Once it does, they are going to be so rife with cash from running bare bones businesses for 6-7 years. PPP loans are one of the worst government moves in the last 100 years. Every business will piggy back on the 'no one wants to work train' while not hiring anyone on purpose. If a business has that mentality or a sign up, avoid them at all costs on principle.
1. Companies aren't hiring much
2. Companies are incentivized to \*look like\* they're hiring a lot because it's good for shareholder value
3. They get a lot of applicants they need to turn down
4. They invent rube goldberg application processes to make you think you're the problem
It's almost like somebody in HR thought "damn, it's so difficult to justify my job nowadays. Better make the process as long and complicated as possible to keep busy!".
The process is also like 70% longer than it used to be. Is it just me or did it only take a few weeks to go through the hiring process from the time you submitted your application in years past? Like I just got a request on one I put in back in February.
i’m still getting people reach out to interview for jobs i applied to *last year* like, uhh no thanks.
Okay you win.
it’s madness.
If those companies are anything like mine they’ve cut their recruiting depts down to a skeleton crew so they’re too overwhelmed to get through things more timely.
We've been trying to hire for our team for over a year, need to hire about 20 people. We have current team members sending in referrals and our recruiter can't keep up. They're so backlogged that it's taking 4-12 weeks to get to the direct referrals, and by then people have found other jobs (competitive market for these skills). So our management team is skipping the mandated process and direct hiring people, bypassing the corporate structure.
Yeah, I have had employers reach out to me six months to a year later on applications smh.
I'm also having employers reach out to me from jobs I applied to 8+ months ago. Seems the person they hired didn't work out, so they comb through all the applications they've been collecting and hope someone is desperate enough to still want to interview there.
A couple months ago I got a call for a simple handyman job I applied to in February 2022 asking If i was still interested.. like my whole life has entered a whole new segment
Same from a state I no longer live in
I'm in university rn, working on the side. It's not uncommon here for people to send into our Semester whatsapp group if their jobs are looking for people. I asked for info about the job a few days after one was posted and they got back to me about 6 weeks after. Like what took you six week to tell me what you're hiring for
8 months ago
Also companies are ghosting insanely nowadays. Before all of them fighting to interview people Now it’s all shit
The ghosting is out of control. There are several spots that I've interviewed for already that I've written off because they haven't responded. It doesn't help that they make it super clear that they have a large pool of applicants to pull from during the interview a lot of the time. I mean I'm glad I'm getting interviews but a little feedback or response of some kind would be helpful. If/when I have to hire people again I'm going to make it a point not to do this nonsense to people.
I mean we have AI nowadays. They should have ChatGPT sending rejections emails and we can move on
I can handle ghosting after applications, but being ghosted after good interviews is what's puzzled me.
I've never (or very rarely) not had someone reply when I sent a post-interview courtesy email. That has drastically changed with ghosting. I've sent several and received no follow up. One I got a mix of a half customized/half auto-generated email rejecting me after I went through 4 interviews...for a position I didn't even apply for. Apparently halfway through the interview process they changed the title of the role....SMH
Just interviewed yesterday for a job I forgot I applied to back in December. They asked if I would like to interview and if I remember what the job I applied to was. I did not.
Yeah, I tried to look at the job description for the one that reached out, and it was no longer posted. So I know the basics of what the job was supposed to be and a general salary range but nothing about the actual responsibilities nor whether or not it was hybrid/remote/in-person. I have no idea. Luckily I had started my tracker in January so at least I could place when I applied.
Takes like 2 months even for a shitty low wage job.
I’m a manager and have some underperforming folks. PIPs are coming but in the mean time my director said to just post a req because “it will get the message across and it’s not like you have to actually hire anyone.” Lots of these postings probably don’t actually have jobs behind them.
I had a job years ago that had a job posted for a position that did not exist at the store I worked at. Talked to a manager about it out of curiosity and the job was never to be posted and was an error. Well, a recruiter sends an applicant to have an interview with my manager. The manager was in another store that day (he was over multiple stores.) The guy was understandably pissed when he found out that he was lied to by the recruiter.
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The unpaid testing is what gets me. I applied to 2 places that literally made you take a 30 minute course and test before you could send your application. How the fuck is that even legal?
Another thing that I've noticed is that you have to have the *PERFECT* resume, have to have laser precision level wording and if you're one word off, that's it. It should not be rocket science making a resume. You shouldn't have to have the "perfect" formatting, or the "perfect" wording. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to bypass an ATS. I got so tired of having to hand craft and tailor my resume for each application just for it to be seen that I've almost stopped applying all together. Luckily I have a job I guess.
I applied for a job last July and was reached out to end of September. I had forgot I even applied lol
From what I understand, it's because employers are getting thousands and thousands of applications almost daily. They have to weed out all the bots, people who are in different countries, clearly aren't qualified. It's not like before the internet where the only way to get a job was to go directly to the employer and hand in a resume- which is something entirely lacking from the current process we have today. There is no chance for anyone to properly stand out among the rest when it's all just electronic resumes and no person to attach them to. It's hell for both sides, people can't get jobs and employers can't get actual competent staff.
>The process is also like 70% longer than it used to be. You're underestimating by a lot. Most of my jobs took 1 or 2 interviews to accomplish (for the sake of simplicity, I'll ignore the initial 3rd party recruiter interview, of which I normally did only once across multiple job searches). Even for senior roles, I only had to go to 3 interviews one time. Those interviews ranged from 30 minutes to 60 minutes. I think I only went to 90 minutes once, in what was essentially a panel interview. People are routinely getting 45-90 minute interviews, with 4+ rounds -- and that's before you count all the homework time, etc. Even if I generously give each interview process of the past a 2 hour baseline, 4+ rounds, with all the extra assessment time is at least 6 hours of interviewing. Even if you said 5 hours, that's 150% longer (3 extra hours) than before, or 250% of the total duration as before. Way, way more than 70% longer, and the only positive part of hiring today vs pre-pandemic, is that it has a good chance to be online vs in person -- at least for some rounds.
I applied for a job like six months ago. I ended up getting an internal promotion to a much more comfortable and laid back position in my company for more money so I stopped caring/looking for new gigs. I got an email yesterday saying that original job I applied for was choosing not to move forward with my application. Like, thanks dude, kinda figured that.
OH i dont know but i got a you didnt make the cut email a few weeks ago from a job i applied to back in September of last year
My current job took 3 weeks to get back to me i thought it was a rejection lol
We are in bogan territory ...if you've seen hitchhikers guide.
I had a test for a job back in October that just contacted me for an interview last week. Government job, so I guess that explains the delay, but jeez.
its 1000x times harder. "cost efficiency", "strategic realignment", offshoring, AI. This is the utmost worst.
I was going to say it's probably 1000x harder. There's 100 times the competition plus all the other steps and blockages. The ai shit is weird too.
offshoring is the first killer. i was interviewing actively for this on-site position 10 miles away from me. recruiter then informed me yesterday that the position was moved to canada. the salary in canada is 50% lower than in US. Can you imagine how much cheaper it is in india and ukraine, poland, croatia.
Sad thing is in Canada we are mass importing Indians who will work for an Indian wage. Things aren't pretty up here either.
I've worked with those Indians as well, who have recently came to Canada. They all miss home. They were promised high paying tech jobs when they got here. Tech jobs might as well be practically non existent here there is so much competition.
The idea of mass importing "students" to make up for gdp was suicidal.
It's not very well thought.
It’s fucking awful as a highschooler, the only reason I was able to get a job at 14 was because of some of my dad’s business connections.
I'm sure that's an issue for some jobs, but literally the whole process now is a pain in the ass. I don't understand how the majority of the population are getting jobs anymore without knowing someone.
The Philippines too. Several jobs I interviewed for they had assistants who were based in the Philippines. I was like, wut? The assistant was on the phone the entire time.
Loads of call centers in USA were shut down at my last job over the last few years. All routed thru Philippines now. I won’t say what company but it was one of the most universally hated corporations out there!
Call centers being outsourced is so ridiculous, too. When you're calling because you need assistance with something, a language barrier can make resolving that issue nearly impossible!
I called Amazon two days ago to resolve a missing item in a recent shipment. I spoke to someone in India and one of the very first things she asked me, which I’d never been asked before is, “can you understand me?” She had a thick accent but she enunciated her words so I was able to understand quite well. But yes, it’s a very strange thing to resolve an issue that occurred in the U.S. by someone halfway across the world. Are there any incentives or some kind of legislation to keep jobs in the U.S. It’s such a crapshoot these days when calling any type of customer service. When I get an American on the other side I’m inwardly relieved and take note of the company.
then we get scam calls. it is crazy to me because our data in each country is not protected at all they work from home too.. keeping jobs away from parents or people who are trying to have a good life in usa who have lived here and their parents for years building the economy
Canadians are basically the white collar "Mexicans" at this point. My canadian cousin just got a job here in the US, his friend works here too and their other friend works in a different state. All fresh out of college. All of my cousins have had a friend working here, from programming to accounting to biotech.
[ukraine,poland,hungary,croatia,slovakia,romania 172 job postings.](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&workmodel=remote&locations=ukraine,poland,hungary,croatia,slovakia,romania&c=Engineering) [india 187](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&workmodel=&locations=india&c=Engineering), [US 21](https://www.globallogic.com/career-search-page/?keywords=&experience=&locations=united-states&c=), multiply this by 100s of other companies offshoring.
Boomers in govt dont want to regulate on American companies offshoring American jobs or doing dumb shit like training up the workforce in those nations while having no equivalent program here because they are happily invested in those same companies and riding that last pump before they dump on future Americans. Really sold us out at every turn they could.
Why does everyone think there's no white-collar Mexicans? Not everyone picks apples for a living, you know.
You are 100% correct. I have placed several Mexican citizens in tech jobs.
I worked for a big law firm (that made big promises and broke them by the way) that outsourced some of our work to India. Which I’m only chiming in here to say that I’m not entirely sure that was even legal to do and wondering if there are any lawyers on here tha can confirm that for me. Like people are getting their documents processed by people that aren’t United States citizens…pretty sure that’s not supposed to happen
When people think automation they for some reason think fast food and manual labor, when in reality, the mechanical components that go into physical work are way more difficult to incorporate into software than work that's entirely done through software already. Long long long before McDonalds relies on a 90% robot staff per store will 90% of office work be eliminated. And it's detrimental.
As someone who works in the logistics industry, they are already in the process of automating as much as possible. There's still jobs that are currently impossible for a robot to do, such as loading the shelves of a UPS package car, but they are shutting buildings down in several regions to gut the facility and remodel for automation. We will have significantly fewer sorters and scanners, and the majority of jobs will just be unloading and loading trailers, and unloading/loading package cars. Of course there will still be clerks for address corrections and illegible labels, designated responders for damaged and/or leaking packages, and a handful of niche jobs around the building. But my understanding is that once these buildings are automated, they are capable of running the same amount of volume with about 1/3 less people. There are close to 250k UPS Teamsters, around 60% of them being part timers who work inside the building, and they're going to be the ones who take the brunt of the blow.
outsourcing jobs to other countries is a big issue
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I'm in
Let eat em.
I hear you man. I network, reach out, write my heart out on a fucking substack. Nothing works. WTF. I am so tired of constantly hustling without any progress.
There are no jobs in Canada since 2008 It is irresponsible for Canadian government to invite more people to compete for very few jobs with Canadian population
I tried to apply on Target and get rejected 3 times in 2 months. All of them passed interview process. It felt weird because i thought Target is one of the easiest place to get a job. So definitely something is going on in job market
I applied to Sephora and a day later I got a no thank you email 😒 it sucks
Same happened to me, except with Macy’s 🥲
In 2009 during the crisis I was hired to work at Target like instantly. It felt so demoralizing at the time as I had a whole background in a white collar job. To add to my story, 3 days later I landed a white collar interview and got that job so I never ended up working at Target. Now I'm struggling 14+ years later.
You would think stores like Target or even Walmart would be easy to get into considering the constant need for people, but I swear, they're the hardest to get into.
Target is so weird! They forced me to apply at their store pc. This was more than 10 years ago, as a kid. I answered like 5 basic questions (like name, what color are you, are you Hispanic/Latino, etc) and then it immediately said something like "Sorry, we don't have any positions available for you at this time." I literally laughed out loud. I had forgotten about this. Good times...
LOLLLLL thats true! First interview they offer me few position, and i got rejected because the position is already filled. A week later i applied to the same store, and got call and they offer me the same exact position (which they said already filled). Got rejected again. And the 3rd time applied, got call, offering the same exact position that they say alrady filled couple weeks ago, boom got rejected again. They are literal BS.
LOL I read this story expecting a different outcome all three times, and got bamboozled twice. Great stuff
I have degrees in geology and a jewelry store at the mall rejected me.
I am having the EXACT same issue. Got laid off in 2022, was a highly sought after candidate before that and have not been able to find a good job since.
Are you having the same issues with the application process? Or is it interviews? I can't even get past most of these applications. I had one interview and i don't think the liked me and didn't even return my call when they specifically told me to call back. I got ghosted.
Isn’t this just end stage capitalism? Profits at the expense of livelihoods? I thought what’s happening now was always going to happen. It’s only going to get worse. I just got laid off a couple weeks ago. I feel your pain OP. Companies really don’t give a shit anymore. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
Had a few interviews myself, got a bachelors of science in a STEM field, applying for a range of jobs related to the degree and the interviews I got were for semi related sectors, unrelated job description. Just for them to say I’m a promising candidate, offer to have me apply for another position too cuz they like me then to not get offered either. I can’t even get an entry level simple job in my field. Neither of you are alone as this post is obviously indicating 🥲. Let’s hope it gets better.
I have no idea. I have never had this much trouble looking for a job until now, and I’m not even anyone special or highly skilled. Now I feel lucky to get an interview, and even then I can count on three or four rounds and maybe hearing something, or employers calling my references without making an offer rather than as the final step in confirming an offer. I’m so tired of even applying at this point. I tried to force myself to do applications last night and just couldn’t but at least I have a job in the meantime if I need to breathe for a day or two.
Omg the references thing. Now I’ve got other people to disappoint when they don’t make the offer.
Yes that's fucked because it makes any busy person less likely to let you use them as a reference at all. I have been used as a reference, and I want to be called once for each person who uses me, to be the final confirmation that you should hire that person.
Right? When my references used to be checked upon receiving an offer, everything was always fine. Offer was never rescinded. Now employers call and even if the conversations are great, they can say sorry we went in a different direction. Why call if you’re not even going to make an offer or are the slightest bit unsure? There has to be a better way.
I have references i rotate and when its too frequent, my family cosplays as high level execs
Because like 70% of the time they're not actually hiring. They say they're hiring so they can tell stockholders that the company is growing.
Wow is this a thing?
Its a thing. Recruiting and retention are big metrics for companies to show off to shareholders. Its all smoke and mirrors
why would you invest in a company if it wasn't making profits literally all the time?
You would invest in the idea that the value of the stock would go up over a certain period and then sell the stock to someone who thinks that the stock will continue to rise. Those metrics are indicators of how much other investors will value the stock, not how much the company makes in reality. In other words, it is one high-stakes game of hot potato. The person at the end with a cold potato will get to find out if the company is profitable or not; generally, it is not.
Doubtful. It certainly can't be a common reason. Why would an investor use "jobs posted" and not "people actually hired" as the metric by which to judge how well or fast a company is growing?
I don't know why it's become such a popular take on reddit that "people are posting jobs because it makes them look good" because it has zero correlation to real life, but I see people say it all the time. I've been with a publicly traded company, the investors do not give a single fuck about how many jobs are posted. It's not even a metric it would occur to them to measure because it's completely meaningless to company performance. Growing or shrinking headcount is the only thing that they would care about at all, because number of job postings has zero effect one way or another on your finances. If they *did* decide to dig into that it would actually be a negative - if you have a ton of posts for jobs you're not able to fill, that calls all sorts of things about the company into question. Do you have bad hiring managers? Does your recruitment suck? Does your company have a negative reputation that is stopping people from applying? None of it would look good for the company doing it.
It’s also a thing for companies to post jobs online that they have zero intention of filling externally. They already know who will take the job, and it’s someone already employed at the company. But they post the job to give the appearance of competition and “we’re hiring!”
You can blame US laws for that one. Either companies are legally required to, if they a federal contract, or companies do it to avoid discrimination allegations.
I think so. I applied and interviewed for a position that denied me at almost 11:00pm and I see that job keeps getting reposted on Indeed. It’s so hard out here,
I’m on linked in looking at customer service roles and I see the pay is $23 (not bad for customer service, definitely not livable in the location they’re advertising - BC) and the interview process is an initial 30 min interview, then the last step is a 1 hr interview where you’re expected to present a topic of your choice and answer any questions for it. Like be so serious rn why tf do you have to do a presentation for a customer service role this is not a university class
Holy shit
Who is sitting around evaluating these “presentations”? Or do they have an AI who evaluates your posture and tone of voice plus use of certain words and converts it to a number where they rank candidates? I can’t imagine they would be paying someone in HR to watch hours of video of someone talking about Pokémon Go or their cat. How ridiculous! Is this for Telus?
If this is for Telus I'd guess it was actually sales disguised as customer service, so I think the presentation makes more sense that way (this happened to me with Rogers).
Time to pull out the hyper fixation PowerPoint project from freshman year
I graduated with a master's in 2022, and I'm honestly just thinking about buying one of those $20 houses in Italy and opening up an American restaurant there.
Genuine warning: These houses are not as cheap as they appear. They generally require you to have the building renovated as part of the purchase agreement. Expect one of those $20 houses to cost about €40,000 - €200,000 in repairs and renovation. Secondly, they are in locations with decreasing populations, so the property values are likely to continue to decline over the next 40 years. Other than that you may need to consider the process for migrating to an EU country and Italy in particular. The exam TLDR is that most EU countries want US citizens to have a stable income before migrating. If you have citizenship in another EU country then it is much simpler, though it is frequently still more complicated than just deciding to move to another country.
Well there goes my dream... I know home improvement, so I was planning on that. Isn't the exchange rate like Japanese Yen? lol
Do it! Offer a dope brunch. Europeans are just being turned onto brunch and they love it
Abysmal margins, huge initial costs, much regulatuons... Nah that will be hell
Not to mention having to learn Italian enough to understand the legal jargon of opening a business
Those $20 houses cost $200,000 to fix
Still cheaper than buying a house that doesn’t need repairs in America though.
I hope you don’t mind me stealing that idea. It actually sounds pretty great. I love brunch
Bed and breakfast.
We are fucked!
Yea we are.
I just got passed over for an entry level position in an industry I have 9 years experience in. Had to take some time off work to provide hospice care for a family member and trying to get back into an industry I love seems absolutely a nonstarter. :/ I just want a job that will pay my bills 😩
I’ve been job hunting for 4 months. I feel super stuck because: 1. No room for growth or even a raise at my current employer. My narcissistic, micro managing coworker got promoted over me despite my boss training me to essentially do his job over the past 6 months. 2. I’m at the top end of the salary range for my type of role in the industry. 3. I’ve had a handful of interviews for roles that would be the next step up (supervisory), and no one will give me a chance since I don’t have experience at THEIR company.
That's the catch-22. Companies want to hire candidates who already have experience in the role they're trying to fill. But you can't get the experience if you can't get hired into the role. Companies are interested more in lateral-move hiring. It's lower risk.
I graduated during covid. It started off with me getting a few interviews. Then covid ended and I got ghosted not only by employers but by the entire job market. It's like living in another world now.
This is exactly my situation too.
Exactly the situation with my nephew. Graduated in 2020 and took an entry level job at a dme sales company doing intake but he quit jan 2023 and have had bad luck finding anything that isn't paying less than $24/hr. He is applying to state and local gov positions because he cant find anything related to his major willing to even interview him. His last one was at a wc review company but my niece knew the owners and got the job instead.
Exactly my situation. Graduated with a PhD in a stem field right when Covid started. Can barely get interviews, let alone a job. I plan at this point is to ditch the US and go teach at international schools in Asia or Middle East. The job market here is wrecked and only going to get worse.
I'm waiting on a 3rd interview, my first interview was April 1st.... I thought I was ghosted but they called last week to say they're interested but busy. Lol
I tried not to laugh in my MIL’s face when she said I should be getting 3 interviews a week according to the “job market availability” locally and “very low unemployment rate”
My parents are the same. Been retired for three years. All he did was airline pilot too. Easiest shit. Just apply to airlines and get in. They do not understand the grave situation of this current job market.
So be a pilot?
They are apparently in demand. But he also had ridiculous seniority and like 40 YOE so yeah… not something that you can do overnight.
Wow, so that might have something to do with how "easy" it was for him to hired at airlines huh?
That too. I mean, he only had to work at two airlines in his middle to later career years anyway. Unlike today. Where if you want a living wage you have to change jobs every few years…
In laws are ... fun
Going on 8 months 300+ applications and only 6 interviews. It’s a bloodbath out there.
What are you applying to? This seems absolutely insane. Edit: To add some context to this comment, I am in no way disparaging anyone. I have no idea what you guys do, what you’re applying to or where you live. I work in sales, have since I’ve been 16 years old. I have moved across industries three times in the last decade across the US. I’m trying to get a better understanding of what people are facing to better understand my future.
I have had a "similar" experience. 300+ applications, some over email, more with cover letters, all with no interviews. The jobs? Junior software developer, junior product owner, vending machine resupplier, warehouse employee, supermarket cashier, delivery driver, office drone, roofer, line worker, baker and the list can go on forever. I don't care about anything except minimum ~€1.8k per month post-tax with a normal, 40-hour, Mo-Fr, 8-4/9-5 schedule. It's draining to a level I have yet encountered. Dragging my behind back home after 10-12 hours of driving for Amazon just to take a shower, eat some food, apply for other jobs, sleep, repeat for 6 days a week, be comatose for a Sunday, repeat it all again... It's soul-crushing.
You think this is insane? Try 2000+ applications since my graduation in mechanical engineering in 2020 and only 1 interview that lead to nowhere.
Nepotism is the only way to get a job these days.
Yupppp ! I got lucky at the current company I work at because I didn’t know anyone… but Wow, the amount of people that got in because of a reference is actually unbelievable. “Brother in Law” “Friend” “coworker from another company” etc …. forgot to add the senior guys getting their sons into the company
Totally agree with you. Graduated in 2022, still looking for a stable full time job
I graduated last year. Everyone is apparently “more qualified than me” has been the rejection wording lately.
I’ve had multiple jobs string me along for months, making me jump thru all the hoops, just to give it to another candidate. I try not to take it personally, there’s always the chance it’s going to go to someone else, but it’s maddening to have that carrot dangling in front of you for weeks and weeks just to be told you have to start over somewhere else. I’d rather just be told no outright than get strung along like that.
The tech job market in particular is over saturated. Many tech companies over-hired during Covid then got rid of a lot of these staff in order to cut costs to meet profit goals (to appease share holders). In addition, Interest rates are high which means companies are unwilling to approve new projects. Also, as supply outstrips demand, companies can pick and choose who they want - they can take their time to get unicorns in terms of skills/experience they could never dream of before.
*interest rates* This is one big factor few people mention/think of
I'm sure those that are serious about a job are aware. Never heard about hiring freezes being so common the few past 5 years.
If you’re young count yourself lucky tbh. I’m late 40s trying to re-enter the job market after mostly being a stay at home mom. I am lacking in tech skills and feel I’m seen as a liability due to my age & future poss health issues. I am positive I’m getting passed over by younger candidates who are more up to date on tech. I’ve only had to do some zoom sessions for my kids schools & even then had tech issues lol. I’m terrified about having to figure out new systems and working with people young enough to be my kids who will prob call me boomer & get annoyed when I ask questions or can’t always retain directions the first time😵💫
I see young people complaining employers only want to hire people with experience they don't have yet, and older people lamenting no one wants to look twice at someone their age. At this point I have to question who the fuck is getting hired? Superman? No, they would probably say he's overqualified.
Nope, I'm 39 with 21 years of experience, a pretty extensive resume, and I have been applying to hundreds of jobs for about a year now. So far two interviews that made it to the final rounds before they went with someone else and a third one that the interviewer didn't even show up to the zoom call. I agree with everyone else who says we need to collectively hold corporations responsible for their bullshit
Exactly! It’s mind boggling. And I actually was hired right after college for a fortune500 company in downtown ATL. Great sales job, good money. Gave that up to stay home & start my family. I do have some recent experience as I helped run a small biz w/ my former husb for a decade. But that doesn’t seem to matter now since it was mostly admin/accounting & im looking to get back into sales so my experience in sales is 2 decades old by now 😭. I was going to see if a recruiter could help but it’s also looking like I may have to find a temp agency and be willing to do temp to perm and maybe even part time to start. I’m not even looking for WFH! I’d actually prefer onsite or hybrid a couple days home. I truly never thought I’d get so much rejection, totally thought I could land a job not long after applying. A total reality check for sure. Scary that it could actually get much worse before better.
The boss's cousin is getting hired....that's the answer to your question. Who you know
> younger candidates who are more up to date on tech Do NOT let yourself believe this. I have been in tech for 20+ years and recent grads / 20-somethings are unbelievably terrible and understanding what they're doing, incapable of understanding concepts of technology.
You can brush up on tech skills online. As someone who used to be responsible for hiring, I always cared 100% more about attitude. Does the person seem receptive to coaching? Are they willing to learn and change? Do they have the ability to be humble and ask for help, then really accept being taught? I know there are people who discriminate by age for both younger and older people, but the vast majority just want someone who is reliable and capable of being trained. For instance, you *could* be proactive to learn the basics of whatever required tech familiarity is in the job listing. Then in the interview advocate for yourself by pointing out you’ve been managing a home for however many years. You also don’t come with any bad habits that people in whatever industry may have developed from being in it for X number of years— you’re a clean slate they can mold to the business needs
My local library offers classes on tech literary, starting with computer fundamentals going onto more complex Microsoft applications like Excel, Word, PowerPoint etc. I truly believe tech skills are very acquirable, and a lot of people struggle because they are missing something fundamental. A lot of tech-savvy is just knowing where to click and what/how to search to make the application do what you want. Almost every modern computer application (apart from some freeware stuff and certain web pages) I have ever used is tremendously user-friendly and will have answers for most problems if you know what you want/need to do. Sounding like you know your way around a computer/basic application and softwares will go a long way in your job search. It's basically required these days at most office jobs. But you can learn these things! I believe in you, and everyone who struggles with computer stuff. I can imagine it will be scary as there's a sharp learning curve. But definitely do-able. Kids start learning the basics at around 5 or earlier so adults can definitely learn!
If it’s any consolation, I got my first office job at 30. There was a woman in her 60s who started as a receptionist and moved into my department before I got there. Her professionalism and experience and emotional support were an absolute asset even if she lacked tech skills where I would happily help her out with.
Yep. Amidst a supposed teacher shortage, I have to fill out lengthy applications for every single job, including inputting all the info from my resume and then uploading my resume.
It feels like every has a hiring freeze, but keep the wheels turning just for show honesty. An insider told me that they had a hiring freeze at a specific plant I applied to, but the positions kept getting posted so as not to bring morale down internally and keep everyone hoping help was coming.
The employers are getting back at everyone who wanted to quiet quit and think for a second it was an employees job market in the past couple of years.
This is actually an interesting angle to consider. The people quiet quitting are also the same people sending out more applications then normal. So now the hiring staff is taking on tons more applications from employed and unemployed, draining resources, and interviewing people who already have a job who are just in a holding pattern waiting for the best gig with no real financial pressure to accept. The idea of bouncing around every 2-3 years could now be making it difficult for not only employees, but employers, and the unemployed who are now competing against a ton of people who have a job and not just those seeking employment from nothing. The unemployed person isn't needed because the quiet quitters fill in most positions but now the unemployed have to compete with everyone shifting around who originally weren't. Doubling everyone's time and competing with those who have jobs but no pressure to quit and better experience/resumes when originally the unemployed were really facing just other unemployed. It's like drawing a card from a deck and then shuffling that card back in to draw from again. The pool isn't ever getting smaller but maybe the deck is only 10 cards and not 20. Half the jobs are taken and twice as many people are looking for the ones left without creating more by leaving.
Employers are also more willing to hire people already employed.
My strategy advice would be to apply for stuff outside your target role/field if you aren’t doing so already. Works best if your skills are very transferable.
I recently was hired at a global financial firm with the help of a sibling who did an internal recommendation. Hiring process was long due to all the compliance checks and background they had to do, but overall pretty easy and straight forward. My heart goes out to you. Getting ghosted by anyone hurts, especially when that person is linked to your fucking survival on this planet. I feel like I need to frequent this sub just to stay grateful for what I have.
What are you applying for? I had issues after the military finding anything other than entry level damn near minimum wage. Went to trade school for wind, solar and telecommunications. Got a job offer while at school for wind at a great starting pay. I’d consider jumping fields
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Went to Airstreams Renewables in California. Their main audience is Veterans and their families, but if you got $18k they accept anyone. They just don’t offer FAFSA, but they do have a grant. They taught the basics for Wind, Solar, and Telecommunications towers. I went specifically for wind and landed a job working on Wind Turbines starting at $59k/yr plus health benefits and 6% match on retirement. Also, tons of Overtime and end of the year bonuses. I’ll probably make $30-40k in O.T alone and aiming to hit 70-80k for working 8 months out of this year.
Thank you. It’s nice to just know I’m not the only one. I’m in the same boat. Today it’s been officially a year of being unemployed without receiving any unemployment benefits. I was a scientist until a layoff derailed my whole life. That was my purpose. Not having one anymore has placed me in a very dark place. I have no positive feelings about this anymore. I scroll jobs while sobbing. It’s a panic attack starter. Yesterday I went to a job fair and sobbed the entire way there. I had a nervous breakdown once I got home. If I don’t find a job by July, I’m 100% homeless on the streets. I graduated top of my class. I don’t know how this became my life, staring down homelessness. I’m terrified. Suicide is definitely now on the table.
hugs to you. i hope something materializes for you soon.
I’m going to pipe in here as a small business owner (12 employees) Info: we offer a *very* competitive starting salary, no industry experience required, flexible scheduling, but it’s local work (it’s best you live within a 30min radius), and you must have a vehicle - it’s a great job but pretty specific. I posted on Craigslist & Indeed - in 4 days received WELL OVER 300 RESUMES. That’s an insane amount to sort through for a small local business. After narrowing it down to only the “best” most qualified people - I still had 50 people I was seriously interested in interviewing. In the past that number would have been 5. I narrowed it down to 25 x 40+ min interviews - which I completed in 3 days (on top of already working 70 hours/week) I hired 3 people - 1 more than planned. I got 10 emails after sending a thank you/rejection email asking me to contact them for future work, or even for shift/summer work. I can see how great people are falling thru the cracks & people can’t understand why they’re not finding work. I feel for everyone looking for work right now. The volume received is so unmanageable you have no choice but to get extremely ruthless. In my posting it says “send your resume & a bit about yourself to [email]… - No cover letter or “about” = deleted - Didn’t follow application instructions = deleted - Spelling/grammar (within reason) = deleted - Evident the post wasn’t read in full = deleted - If they send a cover letter but it’s 2-3 generic sentences (ie: “I am interested in this position & feel my skills would be an asset to your company. My resume is attached. Thank you”) = deleted. - Eagerness & ambition is great, but harassing me with 3 emails and 2 phone calls in 48 hours (when I’ve emailed saying you are a candidate and I will contact you in the next few days to setup an interview) = I’m going to move on and not interview that person As an employer you feel bad - anyone with an ounce of empathy should - but there is just SO much competition right now. I *had* to prioritize the people who evidently took the time to look into our company, wrote a cover letter specific to us, and related their experience to the position they’re applying for. I don’t really have advice, nor do I feel it’s appropriate to give any because (while not all) I know many/most of you are doing all the right things. I will say - I think anything past a cover letter & resume is a ridiculous ask. I understand in *some* fields it’s necessary, but I also feel companies are using it as a test to see “how serious” an applicant is by how much work or effort they will put into applying. It’s a disrespectful, ridiculous ask. Good luck to you all! I’m sorry for the situation many of you are in.
If you do get an offer it will be a low ball offer, if you don’t take there is some other sucker who will do it for less with lower salary and less experience.
This has been my problem. Jobs requiring a degree offering child's pay for roles they expect you to do the work of two people. No thanks.
Sometimes you have to take the role just to get by vs no paycheck and still keep on looking for looking. With most jobs moving overseas from accounting to tech, it’s a tough pill to swallow especially when the unemployment benefits have run dry. My dad may settle for 40% less than the what he was making to keep up with this bullshit economic conditions.
Depends on the sector. My company has hired 150 engineers since January, but that's been half of the company's overall hires for that period.
It’s absolutely ridiculous out hear. I’ve been looking for job since Nov of 2022 and have no luck almost two years later. I never imagined this is what I would be dealing with post grad.
I’m curious. How are you surviving?
It’s about collecting data.
So while I’m teaching myself new skills I should be submitting resumes now, so by the time I get a call, text or e-mail for an interview, I’ll be ready for the assessment. I’ll have at least a year to study hard.
Trust me it’s been a horrible year for me for finding jobs. I’ve had a few companies I interviewed with recently speak highly of me and say they are very interested and will definitely be hearing from them blah blah blah. Then I never hear from them again until I reach out and they tell me “I’m sorry we found another candidate. Thank you very much for your time!” It’s definitely been brutal
Oy, I just quit a really awful job that was making me really depressed and anxious, then threads like this make me afraid and that I should have stayed.
I felt the same way, chose to stay, and ended up laid off anyway. So you really never know what would’ve happened. Don’t beat yourself up too much or play that game just be proud the awfulness from that job is over at least!
I was let go from my job May 15, 2023 (the company declined to extend my medical leave past the FMLA requirement despite the fact I was still undergoing treatment). I've applied to over 300 jobs since then (I stopped counting at 300, which I hit back in March). I've gotten 3 interviews, 62 rejections, and 235+ no-responses. This is in contrast to my last job move back in 2019, where it took me less than 2 weeks to find a new position. I'm sure it's a combination of factors, but whatever they are, it needs to change. My unemployment ran out months ago, as did our savings.
I’m hesitant to give an actual answer to this because everyone’s just going to downvote the hell out of me, so my only request is don’t shoot the messenger… I know several places that are trying to hire people but their two big issues are (1) they don’t have the budget to pay as much as people need to be / should be making, and (2) it has become way, way more common for people to take a job and then leave after just a few months when they get a better offer or simply decide they don’t like the job. The two feed off of each other, and there’s frustration over some workplaces that take advantage of the situation and advertise high pay but then either bait and switch or are just miserable places to work - so employees will either quit from there too or at least try to leverage it. The problem is that employees actually cost the company money for the first year or so, unless it’s a temp or “unskilled labor” type job. So they would rather just not have new employees at all than to hire someone who says they really want the job but then leaves after three months. So they’re way more cautious and much less likely to hire, which unfortunately means a much longer and taxing hiring process. And of course they’re not going to get much sympathy from workers, who just say “well employers don’t deserve loyalty” which, probably true, but it means they’re going to still get a ton of start-and-quit hires for the foreseeable future
I can't get past the phone screen with the applications I've sent out. It's crazy.
It's been like this since ~2008. Unless you have an inside connection somewhere, it'll take months (if not years) to find a decent job.
Submit your resume. Okay, now fill out this application. Even though your job history is on your resume, which we asked for, please document the last decade of your employment history. *ghosts or rejects after 2+ weeks*
I have a PhD and 5 years experience in my field and still couldn't get hired in 6 months. Finally I took a contract role in a different field for $21/hour. Still looking in my main field.
The corporate world started going mad with processes on top of processes a good 20 years ago. It’s due to idiots wanting to put their two cents in and before you know it there’s a mountain of processes and hoops and loops everywhere. The corporate work has gone mad.
It’s harder because the ruling class wants it to be harder. During covid people saw that the world wouldn’t end if they took time off or worked from home, and this gave workers more power. It’s the same reason the Fed is raising rates and companies are laying off thousands of employees. All connected.
One factor is the massive influx of young workers hopping the fence. Why hire a citizen when you can hire somebody else for lower pay
even as a 17 year old in the uk, it's brutal i've been nonstop scrolling and applying since the beginning of this year and i've hit that point where i cannot be arsed to keep going anymore, even when we need the money to afford my driving lessons, i have an interview on thursday and after that, if it's the same as my previous 2 interviews, i'm gonna just give up and put all of my energy into freelance programming instead
It's impossible. My resume is pretty good. And I can't get one interview since February. I've applied to nearly 100 jobs maybe more.
Inflation is making people desperate for any jobs so there is plenty of workforce which makes companies look for a unicorn that doesn't exist. I hate to say this but companies now have the power. They can pick and choose whomever they want.
When people ask me why I'm still working retail and not applying for an office job I said I would this is why
This is why: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-job-openings-fall-8-141732496.html The fed is holding rates high to combat inflation, causing hiring to dip and companies lay off. There won’t be hiring until the fed begins to slash rates, which they announced yesterday it’s not this month. Next time they announce is July, and if rates aren’t lowered then it’s September. I’m right there with you though. 1.5 years of unemployment and nearly 600+ job applications. Anytime I have an interview it’s ghosting or the job is “put on hold”. It’s far worse than 2008 IMO.
I don’t know about other industries but at the tech company I work there was a noticeable rise in the amount of fraud and misrepresentation among candidates. Feels like too many people were trying the fake it till you make it strategy and because of it we put in more checks and balances to weed them out.
Lost my full time job in 2023. It’s almost been a year of unemployment now. Only had a part time temp job for a couple months but that was always going to end. Almost ended up homeless. The industry I got my degree for and gave everything for (entertainment) has been fucked for a while but 2023 - now has been something else entirely. I have nothing, never been this broke, this tired, this demoralized, I had to move back in with family. I really don’t know what to do, every job I’ve gotten interviews and then 2nd interviews so on just to see “we went with another candidate” weeks later or just ghostings. I try applying for service jobs, even back to fast food jobs, and nothing. Yet they all say they’re hiring. And now lots of part-time jobs are going for 30 or 32 hours…just icing on the cake of “yes work but no benefits”. I hate our system so much, for countless reasons, but what I hate that most is that it makes you feel like a failure, since you didn’t hustle enough, that you aren’t working hard enough, when it takes an hour to apply to the “good” jobs on their website. You can be written off by the company at the drop of a hat, for any reason, ruining your life because some nebulous unseen owner or shareholder needs a fraction of a percentage point more in revenue/dividends whatever. And I hate how it makes me get irrationally mad at people I know complaining about their jobs. I’ll take your job, today, doesn’t matter what the fuck industry you’re in or doing, I’ll do it if it gets me out of my current living situation and gets me an income, and benefits.
Mostly it's the market: [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/us-job-openings-fall-to-lowest-level-since-2021?leadSource=reddit\_wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/us-job-openings-fall-to-lowest-level-since-2021?leadSource=reddit_wall)
We are being replaced
It is the result of HR bloat and the internet. Companies are really bad at managing both
Which job market are you talking anout
Folks I’m interested. Can you provide your age range is it everyone? I’m in my 30s and I’ve been trying for about 2 years now now luck. How old are people in this thread?
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It's just crazy the amount of blockages there are to even get an interview. I have literally seen too many to count and they come in all different types so you never know what's coming. It's ridiculous we have to make an account to even see what we're dealing with. Fuck that.
Having a job is also a luxury. We had a “talk” at my company today about “restructuring” the workforce. Thankfully, our department isn’t affected, but others who were essentially have a month to apply for a different position at our place or go elsewhere. 🤨
On the flip side of things (retail world). About 80% of all our applicants who get an interview from us don't even show up for the interview. About 50% of all people hired also do not show up for their first day. It's all ghosting from start to finish. Application to interview to job offer is inside of a week. What we see/hear are complaints about places hiring but not actually hiring and how difficult it is to get a job and then the same people who are being jerked around ghost us and cause other people to not be considered and waste their time too. So the people being hurt in this terrible job hunting world end up hurting the people in their same shoes. It's mind boggling.
I keep telling you guys to start a small business before its too late
Absolutely relatable, my favorite is when they have signs plastered everywhere "Urgently hiring" or "Doing walk in interviews" only to be blown off or told that doing walk in interviews are against policy and need to be applied for online. I have definitely seen a trend where places demand 5 years plus experience for jobs that pay something like 15 or 16 dollar an hour jobs. Worst one i have ever seen was a position demanding for a teacher to have a masters degree, 5 years minimum of experience alongside several other qualifications I cannot remember (seen this like a year or so ago) for the position to pay 12 dollars an hour. Absolutely ridiculous.
I lost my job back in 2023. It took almost 5 months of countless applying, getting ghosted at interviews, being placed in fake "group" interview video calls to finally get a job, and even then, I had an issue with the job opening canceling once and then getting delayed for another 2 months. During those 2 months, I still continue to apply at other jobs, but nothing. I have even done a few AI video interviews. Thankfully, that job actually started, and I'm still working.. But if that job was to do another mass layoff... I'm honestly concerned about how long it would be for me to find another job! The job market is extremely horrible no matter the experience and education you have, you will have issues landing a job.
I haven’t tried it yet but someone mentioned copy the description of the job with all the key words and past it into the background of your resume but make the text white. It won’t show up but the AI that many companies now use to sort out resumes will pick up that info.
companies are being assholes 🙂
Ya the job market is crazy. So many places I’ve had to do up to 8 interviews?!!! What is that.
Because silently every business, and sole proprieter in 2020 got 350,000-3 million dollars to business expense and float money and don't have to pay it back, or have to pay fractions back at 1% or less. They are trying to save money now until inflation goes down again. Once it does, they are going to be so rife with cash from running bare bones businesses for 6-7 years. PPP loans are one of the worst government moves in the last 100 years. Every business will piggy back on the 'no one wants to work train' while not hiring anyone on purpose. If a business has that mentality or a sign up, avoid them at all costs on principle.
1. Companies aren't hiring much 2. Companies are incentivized to \*look like\* they're hiring a lot because it's good for shareholder value 3. They get a lot of applicants they need to turn down 4. They invent rube goldberg application processes to make you think you're the problem
It's almost like somebody in HR thought "damn, it's so difficult to justify my job nowadays. Better make the process as long and complicated as possible to keep busy!".