Atleast for the Nage no Kata, the uki is supposed to resist and the tori slides their hand up the lapel and squats low, then it's just pull and turn your head.
Make sure uki exaggerates the resistance, and tori gotta squat below the belt line.
I understand, second hip throw I learned. I’m average sized, my uke was 1m95 (like 6’4 or something). We still laugh about the cartoon groans I was doing trying to load him without sending my shoulder into oblivion
Wait, wouldn’t it be easier with a tall person? One of my favorite people at my dojo is 5’6” and VERY sturdy. Getting low enough to fully extend my arm was like a yoga pose and a CrossFit workout all in one.
It is easier, as you said but at that time, we were both beginners so I didn’t really have all the tips and tricks I might have today. I was just trying to load him on my hips with my shoulder with legs stiff as hell. Good times (for my kinesitherapist)
if there are no hane goshi haters, it’s because I’m dead.
seriously though, one of the guys at my dojo decided to make that his best throw and he’s at the point now where even I (220 lbs) fly over his head, it’s quite remarkable how good he’s gotten at it. absolutely demoralizing.
I also hate *doing* taio, I know it’s a very basic throw but I really suck at it and never drill it (which probably contributes to my incompetence at it).
Hane goshi is so uncommon (at least, in my judo bubble) as a throw ! I mean, I understand you hating it being on the receiving end but tbh I admire the guy to be able to make it work consistently. However, I join you in your hatred. Hip throws with leg involved should be banned.
Your taio = my harai, I feel you haha
One of my instructors favourite throws is hane and look he's gotten me to the point that I can do it but not super well, my hips just don't like that configuration.
I've found hane goshi interesting for years. I'd really like to work on it some more and try and get good at it; I think it might work better for me than uchi mata (I seem to have a problem in many cases getting my leg straight enough and in the proper position to do uchi mata).
I love hane goshi. TiaO is a hard throw to find. Ask 10 yellow belts how to taio and youll get 10 similar yet weak taiO’s. Ask 10 black belts how to do TaiO and you’ll get 10 different variations. After almost 2 years of Judo I’m settling on a morote style of TiaO.
Oh I do not judge the way it was taught. My tescher is very knowledgeable. I think it was me being a beginner + tori being a beginner. It resulted in great slams. I’m blaming my lack of skill on the throw, basically.
I hate:
* Ura Nage, I don't feel like getting a neck injury and it's just a heavy throw to take. Luckily, it's not typically executed fully in my club without a crash pad.
* Drop Seoi Nage, few times people have almost smoked their partners head, one person in particular almost took mine clean off when I was a new yellow belt.
* Sode Tsurikomi Goshi, some people don't let go of my arm to let me breakfall which results in me hitting my back on the mat at full force
Ura nage, damn that’s up there as well. Completely forgot about that one.
Drop seoi, definitely, saw a buddy of mine break someone’s nose in competition with that. It’s a very common throw and people are generally unaware of the damage it can do !
Sode, hopefully, at my dojo, noone’s a sode user. I hope it keeps being that way haha. The first time you’re thrown with sode is always something special !
That's my worry about competing, people are just looking to get the ippon, so anything goes in competition, they're not generally looking to be considerate of your wellbeing like they are in normal randori lol
I agree, competing in judo means there’s a potential grave injury looming over. I have a list of people I must avoid in “serious randori” at my dojo in order to be able to go to work the next day.
Sode Tsurikomi Goshi, some people don't let go of my arm to let me breakfall which results in me hitting my back on the mat at full force
By holding onto the arms you force them through so they can't post on the mat. If I let go half way though the throw you may instinctively pull your arm away from the grip and get your arm snapped like a tooth pick.
We have similar sequences in our dojo. Our teacher prepares us for nage no kata. Throws have to be done a specific way.
But during uchi komi and randori, it’s our time to apply the throws with variations and different timings, angles than in nage no kata.
Forcing people to execute throws a specific way all the time is absolutely limiting the improvement.
100 percent agreed. If you're being taught a specific variation in class it's respectful to practice it, but free practice is the time to experiment and hone the way that best works for you.
I don't like being thrown with drop knees because I always land on my head. It's probably my ukemi since I'm still new but I don't seem to have this problem with other throws. And since I don't like receiving it I don't deal it either.
I hadn't thought of that. I don't think my dojo ever taught it that way, or at least I don't remember it. I don't personally care for drop seoi that much, but if I ever end up trying it, I'll do it with the roll through. I can see how that would help with safety, it enforces the twist of tori's body that allows uke to not go flying into the mat headfirst.
I guess I'm not a real man since it's drops galore for me being 150 lbs when regularly going against guys taller than me and 200-240 lbs in randori. Call me Shirley.
Although I don't disagree that a standing seio, especially in shiai, is about the biggest flex you can make.
Yes, but turning toes in and maintaining the space is critical in keeping it safe. When it goes wrong knees are damaged. So don’t do that throw unless you can keep your shin under their knee, targeting and focus are required. Some judoka change their entry to keep it safe. In our club one judoka broke another’s ankle, going too tight going sideways L shape entry. Operation and a very long 2 years later for full recovery.
For 2 years of doing judo + 5 years of training whenever I could, I thought the exact same way.
About 6 months ago, I got lost in the drop technique sauce :/
At the risk of being controversial, I agree. Drop seoi nage feels like a crutch. It feels like what people gravitate to when they want to win at any price, and so they take the path of least resistance. There was one guy at my dojo, he started around the same time as me but trained more consistently, so he was a gokyu and I was a rokkyu at this time. We had a round of randori and he was just throwing me constantly with drop seoi nage. It was really annoying me that I couldn't do anything about it. I wanted to tell him, "Okay, you proved that you can throw me with drop seoi nage, now please choose a different technique." I guess he was following the idea that it's better to specialize early on.
I used to not like tai otoshi, but that's because I wasn't good at it. When I had a breakthrough, my feelings changed! Surprise surprise :)
It's like when people ask me what my favorite throw is - it's whatever is working for me at the moment.
I’m glad you had that change ! What brought that breakthrough? Drill on end or just one day it happened?
Yeah favorite throw is something else ! It’s so hard to point out even a couple of them. It’s probably whatever works at moment though, first thing that comes to mind when asked that question is the throw I did my most recent ippon with lol
I did a whole video on it. I'm 46 years old and honestly didn't expect to still be having breakthroughs like this. I guess there's always more.
https://youtu.be/kxMkkd2aqAc
Ko soto gake and ko ouchi gake (sometimes makikomi). Most people drill these by just hooking the leg then bending their knees which creates a huge risk for both players knees. In wrestling you’re specifically taught to have your butt knee and foot hit the ground at the same time, which both creates more downward force and is safer.
Kouchi makikomi terrifies me. I mean, it frightens the life out of me. I look at it, and I've practiced it a little at my dojo in drilling, and I keep thinking to myself, "This looks like a great way to mess yourself or your partner up." There's the knee thing, and then there's the fact that landing on top of uke is an essential part of the throw. I hope your knee has recovered.
I'm glad your knee is better, and yeah, people shouldn't be using kouchi makikomi in randori. I think I'd even be hesitant to use it in shiai, at least at my level. Maybe when I'm a brown belt or a black belt I'd be more confident in using it in shiai without damaging myself or the other guy, but maybe not even then. I hope your rehabilitation goes well and that you'll be back on the tatami soon.
I plead guilty for the leg hook. Ko soto is my bread and butter to initiate movement in my opponent.
Hopefully, I don’t compromise the integrity of my opponent’s knee. I skip over, hook the leg and lift their foot high while pulling down where their foot should be.
I feel like it’s a gentle fall but maybe it’s not, I’ll ask my ukes next time !
I’ll definitely keep that in mind.
Welcome to the harai hate club ! B of a throw.
Oh yeah, a tight kesa gatame is ho-rri-ble. I think for beginners, it’s reslly the first pin they experience and the first time where they get that claustrophobic sensation. Judo top pressure game is insane
I've been doing Judo for years and I rarely tap to a pin but when my coach gets me in it, instant tap. Feels incredibly claustrophobic to be caught in it. I can't think of another pin that painful.
Yeah, a kesa gatame from someone who's experienced and knows what they're doing merits tapping out. It feels like the life is being squeezed out of you.
I hate taio toshi.
It's one of the few throws where I feel there's a minimum amount of momentum to hit it and it's always a rough fall. Almost any other throw, theres a level of care you can do to make it nicer on the uke or a midway point to decelerate the throw. This throw is all gas.
Tai otoshi feels like a “whip”. Once you’re in, you’re in and you should brace for breakfall haha
I got used to it early early on for the taio spammers.
When it comes to executing it, I always have restraint with “lower” belts. I have no clue if they’re used to it or not. In uchikomi, I go light-light-stronger-stronger-strongest without throw - gentle throw. I try not to surprise them whit the whip effect
I don’t like it because I keep getting pain in the front of my tsurite shoulder, trying to keep the elbow in front of me. 😣 I have good days with it and bad days, and on the bad ones I can’t seem to make it work and it hurts.
I agree ! I never noticed that until cross-training bjj, ending up in a bad spot while doing all the effort is so disappointing. Even my beloved o uchi lands me in a half guard, sometimes even full guard. Not a profitable position.
I personally love passing from half guard, so I don't mind it too much. I am mindful of how much energy I spend on the feet in bjj, but I have still been able to make about 80% of my judo game work for it. But even in judo, you see people get choked off failed throws turning their back. The standing version of kouchi gari is so much less risk in my opinion.
I’m a no striped white belt in bjj, basically trying to survive with what I know in judo so a half guard for me is far from ideal !
That’s true ! I usually see people choked out from failed drop seois because it’s probably the most common but you’re absolutely right.
Also, aren’t makkikomi sort of a “all-in” kinda throws? As in “I’m going on the ground but you’re also coming with me and I’ll see what happens” type of throw?
I don’t like that spirit. I believe Judo was made to gain an advantage as in “we’re both standing, I throw you, I’m still standing but you’re on the ground” going to the ground as well is not my view of judo.
To me, it's important to have a plan once you hit the ground, so almost all of my throws are done with that in mind. But as a purely sport technique, I can't say it isn't effective.
It’s how I’m trying to build my game plan as of recently.
It felt more and more important as I sparred in bjj.
Hopefully, I’ll get to your level of thinking one day !
People will laugh at me for this, but the good ole white belt Osoto Gari. I cannot for the life of me get a nice flow of the mechanics. I hate doing it, 5 and half years in and just not for me.
Oh yeah absolutely, doing textbook osoto is hard ! It’s an ashi waza, it requires timing, emphasis on grips and so on. What a throw ! I’d wager it’s one of the most complete throws out there. Very mechanically demanding thorw. It’s a tough one, I can agree !
On the receiving end? Ura Nage. That was the first time I truly learned the meaning behind, “Can dish it out, but can’t take it.” My neck muscles were sore for days.
Ground technique? The classic kesa gatame.
I could be mistaken, but the guy sort of threw himself forward, with the overhook. All the weight ended up sitting on my buddy’s knee. I have no clue if he resisted it. I suppose tori’s leg was preventing buddy’s to get away correctly and it collapsed, resulting in the torn ACL.
I can *almost* relate. Once in randori, I had a frustrated black belt come in all guns blazing for a [kouchi makikomi](https://youtu.be/_1eygIXLD_w?si=fMJO0aSbXh7ayoqk), and suddenly I felt all his weight bearing on my knee.
Thankfully, I immediately relaxed and went with the throw. I remember getting up and thinking that if I resisted, my knee likely would’ve torn / popped / exploded.
Soto makikomi is a turn throw unless I am reading it wrong I don't see you describe a turn, if he is throwing his weight forward toward the uke would suggest maybe he was aiming for a kouchi makikomi which I could see him tangling legs or maybe not getting the reap off at all? could that possibly be what happened?
I’ll try to explain it but I can’t promise anything.
In kenka yotsu, tori aimed for far side osoto, got the hook with his leg. Got the overhook and initiated the throw.
He then didn’t entirely turn. It was more a 90 degree turn, if you will. He launched himself in the “makkikomi”.
At that point, from what my buddy told me, his leg received all the weight of tori + the torsion + the fall/makkikomi. It’s around that point where the ACL gave up, or at least I’m ready to believe so.
I hope that can clear your doubts?
Watch at the 2 second mark. Now uke tries to block block and sit his butt back so weight is back behind his foot. Now uke BLASTS through and sweeps his leg back with full commitment but uke is PLANTED, weight back so he doesn't twist over tori .When tori's leg hits uke's leg /knee, the foot has nowhere to go. it is being driven back and down by the combination of uke pulling back and tori dropping down. So its like snapping a twig over your knee, only its the ligaments in your knee.
Soto makikomi is not a koshi waza, it is a sutemi waza. Specifically a yoko sutemi waza.
https://youtu.be/ddlz9VOlOWA?si=VTUdEpcQORoDpjzO
Honestly I feel the opposite on Okuri. I love when I hit a good Okuri, and I love the big flight that a good Okuri makes me do (It sadly doesn't happen often because I love Tsubame Gaeshi, and I do it so often that nobody actually tries Okuri on me anymore :( ).
I instead hate tani otoshi, since a lot of more inexperienced green belts started doing it because It seems easy and effective and I always end up hitting the mat without any real susteinance or control by tori
Ah yeah, I feel the other way around !
If tori doesn’t know what to do with the kuzushi, you’d end up falling weirdly, it’s not a good time.
Almost got my knee blown out with tani otoshi, guy almost sat on my knee. I had the reflex to turn my leg to angle where it could bend easily. Not a fun time
Dude my most hated throw is Harai Goshi. I am 6' tall w/long legs and I would LOVE to be able to do this throw but- despite my being a Sankyu (so IOW: NOT EXACTLY A NEWBIE!) I cannot-- I repeat-- CAN-FREAKING-**NOT** get even CLOSE to understanding- much less "getting"- this throw. And yet i get Harai'd into the next county EVERY SINGLE CLASS. I can do a crappy Ken-Ken Uchimata (so IOW NOT great by any stretch of the imagination but still, I HAVE thrown people with it), whereas you could literally PUT ME IN THE HARAI POSITION and then say "Ok, 'HAJIME!"" and I would NOT pull it off on a live, semi-competent resisting Uke. I am horrendous at that throw.
And yes, I've been shown a billion times how to do it. Doesn't matter. "Just load Uke and sweep the leg!" Nope. "Think of it as a hip throw with the leg as finisher." Nope. "Get chest-to-chest, pull up and turn and just think of the leg as an afterthought." Uh, sorry- NOPE.
That throw HATES me-- but unlike, say, Ippon Seoi Nage, I *should in theory* be able to pull it off on the regular.
Nope.
Technical details for Harai Goshi
**Harai goshi (sweeping hip) is a Hip technique (Koshi waza):**
Tori breaks Uke's balance straight forward or to his right (left) front corner, pulls him onto the back of his right (left) hip and sweeps him up with the right (left) leg.
**Best Harai goshi instructional video**
Harai Goshi with former World Champion & Olympic Silver Medalist Mika Sugitomo
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6b\_k6rUweQ&feature=youtu.be&t=296](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6b_k6rUweQ&feature=youtu.be&t=296)
The faster she executes the better in all details
* hikite (pulling hand) not exaggerated upwards but natural forward
* tsurite (lifting / fishing hand) close to the neck and ear of Uke, thumb and palm pointing to the throwing direction to lead the throw
* close chest to chest contact and not! turning in with the full back but just about a little more than right-angled
* left foot placement near Uke's left toes (because you need that for the rotation around and over your hip)
* sweeping (harai) Uke's leg in a smooth upward movement and follow through the throw with upper body rotation and head direction, proper handwork (hikite rotation and tsurite headcontrol) guiding Uke down to the tatami
Great technique and maybe the most proper Harai goshi I have ever seen.
Dude that’s exactly that, I got pissed at harai by reading your comment.
I’ve been yelled at by others at practice because I’m a lefty and “supposedly” harai is a very easy-to-land throw in kenka yotsu. I cannot, I physically cannot do anything. People from my dojo have been throwing me left and right with harai. I could not throw a toddler. Harai is such a universal throw. Either in high level judo comps or in nogi or mma, the throw IS harai and I can’t do that. Pisses me off so much.
I was even told by the “old guard” that I have a good build for that pos throw. I hate it with every fiber of my body.
I’m so glad I got to read your comment, I feel less like an alien now. Thank you !
If it’s any consolation, I’m a lefty and don’t use harai goshi in kenka yotsu randori or competition. And it’s not cause I suck at it - it’s actually one of my best throws in nage komi.
Rather, in kenka yotsu randori, the opponent’s front leg is right there - ready to be swept by kosoto gari, ashi barai, ouchi gari and uchi mata. Why would I put all this effort into attacking the rear leg & hip, when the front leg is easily within reach? 🤤
So I find it weird that people are telling you to go for harai goshi in kenka yotsu 🤔 right now, I can’t of any high level kenka yotsu players that consistently use harai goshi?
Exactly, these are my bread and butter throws, I do everything from those, throw in a tai otoshi and you’ve basically got everything I play with !
I think harai in kenka yotsu is to be applied once you “clear” the area. If my opponent reacts well to say o uchi gari by getting his leg behind. I can enter with a left side turn throw. Hence the harai.
I’m MUCH more inclined to theow uchi mata or taio in that configuration though.
I can’t think of high level judokas having harai as their tokui waza. But I wouldn’t be surprised by some harai in knka yotsu, would you?
Couldn’t get harai for years either, and honestly it’s still not great. I noticed a huge improvement very quickly though when I realized that I was trying too hard to stay way too upright for far too long. That screwed up my timing for both the “bowing” and the “sweeping” action in the throw. Maybe something worth investigating? Good luck!
There's a couple that are almost physically impossible for me due to various reasons.
There's one I absolutely hate and it brings terror to me at the slightest hint. Osoto makikomi. Even on a crash pad, there's no breakfall that helps me. Just pain. 😄
Ill join your friend in on the soto makki komi hate, because im still a white yellow and a guy at the dojo slammed me ruthlessly (like that guy has 0 compassion, doesnt even bow) a few times with it. I tear my ACL tho but my back hurts because of it.
Makkikomis on white belts is a low class act. If anything, you should feel good that he’s using those on you and he should not feel good at all.
Makkikomi are sutemi waza, sutemi is “I’m willing to compromise my position so that I can ensure that we both end up on the ground”. He’s admitting to not being able to land a non-sutemi waza if he spams them.
I hope your back will get better !
Well i am 19 and 90kg and ive been told by mid to high tier belts that im kinda hard to throw to the point that they have to either throw me on my side or fall with me
They admit that you’re a good opponent already ! But it doesn’t move away the fact that the one dude you mentioned is low class, you’re still a white belt.
I got thrown “hard” as a white belt when I was learning osoto because my supporting foot was too far, too close, etc. But it was done with a purpose. It doesn’t seem like it’s the case for your opponent.
I dislike sumi gaeshi (atleast the way it occurs most of the time). I don't like the fact that it scores as an often near impactless sort of rollthrough, where Tori might actually be taking more impact than Uke. It feels really cheap so to say, although I personally don't favor sutemi waza to begin with.
The only way it feels like a nice valid technique to me is if you roll through into having some form of control (i.e. sidecontrol).
Sweeps like kouchi and ouchigari. My legs are short, slow, and thick so those kind of “poke” throws are not ones I care for unless I’m able to set it up in a combination to close the gap.
Meanwhile, I love Oguruma, Tai Otoshi, Ashi Guruma, and other hip throws like them.
I’m the opposite, for every ippon I get with a “big” turn throw, I get 10 with a little sweep. I love those sneaky legs inserted here and there.
Ashi guruma is a BEAUTY of a throw, that’s for sure, gotta love it ! O guruma? That’s a rare throw, I can’t imagine the pride when you land one !
For ages, I hated sode tsurikomi goshi because tori has a grip on both of uke's sleeves, so you can't slap when you fall. I recently learned that in nagekomi, it is allowed and considered polite to let one hand go as uke is going over so that they can slap, but you don't want to do that in randori or shiai.
In general, I hate all the throws where tori forgets to twist, which results in me going headfirst into the mat. But that's not really a single type of throw or inherent to the throw, many throws can have that problem depending on the tori.
I hate guard. I despise it. I have no idea why we bother with it in a judo dojo, since in shiai you will probably never be in that position. I'm probably just mad because I'm terrible at passing guard. It almost invariably results in me getting reversed, or just making no progress, depending on how skillful my partner is, and jamming my knuckles into their inner thigh to get past their leg feels mean.
I also hate drop seoi nage. The ground comes at you fast, it's frequently in the category of "tori didn't twist enough so you're going into the ground headfirst," and I feel like some people rely on it too much.
I hate O Soto Gari from the bottom of my heart. An O Soto Gari thrown straight back with force causes a concussion every single time and just hurts too much. Therefore I have taken it to my life mission to teach proper O Soto Gari.
Reverse ude garami (Americana/ key lock)
Had my arm broken with in a BJJ match. Spiral fracture to the humerus, surgery to put in 8 titanium rods and still have pain in my elbow and shoulder when I lift weights years later.
Thanks. I train much more gently now, continuing rehab etc. It is what it is, just thankful I can do most things with only mild discomfort and no serious permanent damage (it was temporarily paralyzed after the break, so obvs glad that’s not an issue). Still fear that submission tho and it’s an easy way to get me to tap.
Morore seoi nage. It hurts my wrist elbow and shoulder. It doesn’t matter how fast I go in or how perfect my technique is. I always have pain when I do this throw and it doesn’t matter what side I do it on. It’s my sensei signature throw and he prides himself on it and makes sure everyone knows how to do it.
Seoin nage and its variations are a staple and teacher to pride themselves teaching it. Half my buddies have ISN as their tokui waza.
I can use it but I telegraph it too much lol
Obviously ippon and not morote, cause it’s juste like you, I can’t stand strain on my shoulder/elbow
Sumi Gaeshi, for sure. I used to be able to get it here and there, then I got my brown belt and that disappeared. Meanwhile, even an orange belt can throw me with it and I’m rarely able to escape.
Pretty much any Makikomi makes me feel powerless.
Kami-Shiho is both one of my favorite pins and most hated pins to be stuck in. I know some of the ways to escape but it almost never works for me.
Sumi is horrible for me, I can’t read it, I can’t predict it and it’s so frustrating !
It’s sad it disappeared. Maybe your judo just changed? More standing judo? Did you pick up any other throw instead of sumi?
Definitely changed, as that was around the first few months into my training. I’ve since grown and developed other throws like Tai Otoshi and Koshi Guruma. As far as sutemi waza though, I’m experimenting with Yoko Otoshi
I personally hate uranage. Neither I can execute the throw, nor I enjoy receiving it. The worst part about uranage is that no matter the skill level of the tori, it just ALWAYS hurts as hell. The throw ist just designed like that, and nothing can be done about it. I also hate doing it, because currently I'm competing in the +70 cathegory, and I weigh just a bit more than 70 kg, so as you can imagine most of my opponents are much heavier than me, so there's no way I'm picking them up and then slamming them down. It is just completly useles for me, although I umderstand that if you're lightweight it might work for you.
There are many throws I don't like doing, mostly due to my lack of skill, but I understand the importance of learning things you don't know, so I'm hoping to get better at them with time. Not uranage though.
I also used to hate doing tai otoshi, but recently somebody explained it to me thoroughly, and it turned out that I just misunderstanded the throw.
Sode Tsurikomi goshi, some people don't bend the uke's arms correctly, causing them to essentially do a standing arm lock while attempting a throw which stresses me the fuck out, because the throw isn't performed very well and easy to block but doing so can damage your arm
On the recieving end id say a soto makkikomi (Even tho its on of my favs to use), mune gatame, Ude garami (or any figure 4 arm lock tbh)
In terms of drilling id say classic standing morote seoi nage, I just feel alot more tension arm and usually prefer using it with a drop and thats it tbh
Not a throw but I hate the Georgian over top grip. It’s just really strong because there’s no good counters for it in current rule set. Legs grabs would really help against that style.
I feel your pain. I have a strong 100kg training partner that likes to Georgian grip. If you time it right when they go down your back, side step and hit a quick sasae.
Traditional tsurikomi goshi . Hurts my shoulder a bit if the uke is heavier.
I’m learning the kata sets, and that always causes me misery. Any video from the Kodokan youtube make it look so easy
Atleast for the Nage no Kata, the uki is supposed to resist and the tori slides their hand up the lapel and squats low, then it's just pull and turn your head. Make sure uki exaggerates the resistance, and tori gotta squat below the belt line.
I understand, second hip throw I learned. I’m average sized, my uke was 1m95 (like 6’4 or something). We still laugh about the cartoon groans I was doing trying to load him without sending my shoulder into oblivion
Wait, wouldn’t it be easier with a tall person? One of my favorite people at my dojo is 5’6” and VERY sturdy. Getting low enough to fully extend my arm was like a yoga pose and a CrossFit workout all in one.
It is easier, as you said but at that time, we were both beginners so I didn’t really have all the tips and tricks I might have today. I was just trying to load him on my hips with my shoulder with legs stiff as hell. Good times (for my kinesitherapist)
Can agree with this. Tried this on a much bigger uke and damaged my shoulder just the other day
if there are no hane goshi haters, it’s because I’m dead. seriously though, one of the guys at my dojo decided to make that his best throw and he’s at the point now where even I (220 lbs) fly over his head, it’s quite remarkable how good he’s gotten at it. absolutely demoralizing. I also hate *doing* taio, I know it’s a very basic throw but I really suck at it and never drill it (which probably contributes to my incompetence at it).
Hane goshi is so uncommon (at least, in my judo bubble) as a throw ! I mean, I understand you hating it being on the receiving end but tbh I admire the guy to be able to make it work consistently. However, I join you in your hatred. Hip throws with leg involved should be banned. Your taio = my harai, I feel you haha
One of my instructors favourite throws is hane and look he's gotten me to the point that I can do it but not super well, my hips just don't like that configuration.
I've found hane goshi interesting for years. I'd really like to work on it some more and try and get good at it; I think it might work better for me than uchi mata (I seem to have a problem in many cases getting my leg straight enough and in the proper position to do uchi mata).
I love hane goshi. TiaO is a hard throw to find. Ask 10 yellow belts how to taio and youll get 10 similar yet weak taiO’s. Ask 10 black belts how to do TaiO and you’ll get 10 different variations. After almost 2 years of Judo I’m settling on a morote style of TiaO.
That’s actually a good way to start learning okuri. It’s a really hard throw in general.
Oh I do not judge the way it was taught. My tescher is very knowledgeable. I think it was me being a beginner + tori being a beginner. It resulted in great slams. I’m blaming my lack of skill on the throw, basically.
I hate: * Ura Nage, I don't feel like getting a neck injury and it's just a heavy throw to take. Luckily, it's not typically executed fully in my club without a crash pad. * Drop Seoi Nage, few times people have almost smoked their partners head, one person in particular almost took mine clean off when I was a new yellow belt. * Sode Tsurikomi Goshi, some people don't let go of my arm to let me breakfall which results in me hitting my back on the mat at full force
Ura nage, damn that’s up there as well. Completely forgot about that one. Drop seoi, definitely, saw a buddy of mine break someone’s nose in competition with that. It’s a very common throw and people are generally unaware of the damage it can do ! Sode, hopefully, at my dojo, noone’s a sode user. I hope it keeps being that way haha. The first time you’re thrown with sode is always something special !
That's my worry about competing, people are just looking to get the ippon, so anything goes in competition, they're not generally looking to be considerate of your wellbeing like they are in normal randori lol
I agree, competing in judo means there’s a potential grave injury looming over. I have a list of people I must avoid in “serious randori” at my dojo in order to be able to go to work the next day.
Sode Tsurikomi Goshi, some people don't let go of my arm to let me breakfall which results in me hitting my back on the mat at full force By holding onto the arms you force them through so they can't post on the mat. If I let go half way though the throw you may instinctively pull your arm away from the grip and get your arm snapped like a tooth pick.
Yeah, and then when they do it Makikomi style it really sucks big time.
I don't hate any throw per se, but hate working with instructors that impose one way to do a throw.
We have similar sequences in our dojo. Our teacher prepares us for nage no kata. Throws have to be done a specific way. But during uchi komi and randori, it’s our time to apply the throws with variations and different timings, angles than in nage no kata. Forcing people to execute throws a specific way all the time is absolutely limiting the improvement.
100 percent agreed. If you're being taught a specific variation in class it's respectful to practice it, but free practice is the time to experiment and hone the way that best works for you.
I don’t care for drop knee anything, it just feels kinda chicken shit to me
I don't like being thrown with drop knees because I always land on my head. It's probably my ukemi since I'm still new but I don't seem to have this problem with other throws. And since I don't like receiving it I don't deal it either.
Tori needs to roll through. Drop seoi is our club throw and the roll through is a critical component for safety.
I hadn't thought of that. I don't think my dojo ever taught it that way, or at least I don't remember it. I don't personally care for drop seoi that much, but if I ever end up trying it, I'll do it with the roll through. I can see how that would help with safety, it enforces the twist of tori's body that allows uke to not go flying into the mat headfirst.
We have a few drop seoi spammers. Always happy to land a choke when they fail. Sadly, they do learn, quite fast
I agree. Real men do it on their feet.
I guess I'm not a real man since it's drops galore for me being 150 lbs when regularly going against guys taller than me and 200-240 lbs in randori. Call me Shirley. Although I don't disagree that a standing seio, especially in shiai, is about the biggest flex you can make.
Yes absolutely this! But big men just do harai goshi 🤣
I like dropping to one knee for tai otoshi because I’ve injured 2 people’a knees doing it standing.
Oof that’s brutal Ever try ashi guruma? Or o guruma I find most times tai otoshi causes injuries is because their foot gets caught on the mat
O Guruma is such a chad throw if you can actually hit it 🔥
I got a I guruma lesson from Eiko Shepherd one time… side note, you ever been choked out by an old woman? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh wow haha! High level stuff! I can’t say I have, 80 year old man for sure but never a woman 💀😂
Yes! When properly done it feels like falling over a high fence. I hate it, too. Even an old school Kata Guruma is nice compared to O Guruma.
I will check them out.
Don’t go so tight, step to space for safety keeping at least 10cm away to avoid dealing out injuries
I think it was partly because they were both shorter than me. My knee ended up being above theirs.
Yes, but turning toes in and maintaining the space is critical in keeping it safe. When it goes wrong knees are damaged. So don’t do that throw unless you can keep your shin under their knee, targeting and focus are required. Some judoka change their entry to keep it safe. In our club one judoka broke another’s ankle, going too tight going sideways L shape entry. Operation and a very long 2 years later for full recovery.
Thus why I drop the tripping knee to the mat. I have had success with this and nobody has been hurt since.
Brilliant
For 2 years of doing judo + 5 years of training whenever I could, I thought the exact same way. About 6 months ago, I got lost in the drop technique sauce :/
Don’t do it bruv I’ll fucking stage an intervention if I have to 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t disagree, but I’m keeping my batsugan brown belt from hitting drop seoi nage on four black belts in competition.
At the risk of being controversial, I agree. Drop seoi nage feels like a crutch. It feels like what people gravitate to when they want to win at any price, and so they take the path of least resistance. There was one guy at my dojo, he started around the same time as me but trained more consistently, so he was a gokyu and I was a rokkyu at this time. We had a round of randori and he was just throwing me constantly with drop seoi nage. It was really annoying me that I couldn't do anything about it. I wanted to tell him, "Okay, you proved that you can throw me with drop seoi nage, now please choose a different technique." I guess he was following the idea that it's better to specialize early on.
Judo should ban drop-knees and bring back leg grabs!
I used to not like tai otoshi, but that's because I wasn't good at it. When I had a breakthrough, my feelings changed! Surprise surprise :) It's like when people ask me what my favorite throw is - it's whatever is working for me at the moment.
I’m glad you had that change ! What brought that breakthrough? Drill on end or just one day it happened? Yeah favorite throw is something else ! It’s so hard to point out even a couple of them. It’s probably whatever works at moment though, first thing that comes to mind when asked that question is the throw I did my most recent ippon with lol
I did a whole video on it. I'm 46 years old and honestly didn't expect to still be having breakthroughs like this. I guess there's always more. https://youtu.be/kxMkkd2aqAc
Will watch that ! Thank you !
The one that takes me down.
Ko soto gake and ko ouchi gake (sometimes makikomi). Most people drill these by just hooking the leg then bending their knees which creates a huge risk for both players knees. In wrestling you’re specifically taught to have your butt knee and foot hit the ground at the same time, which both creates more downward force and is safer.
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Kouchi makikomi terrifies me. I mean, it frightens the life out of me. I look at it, and I've practiced it a little at my dojo in drilling, and I keep thinking to myself, "This looks like a great way to mess yourself or your partner up." There's the knee thing, and then there's the fact that landing on top of uke is an essential part of the throw. I hope your knee has recovered.
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I'm glad your knee is better, and yeah, people shouldn't be using kouchi makikomi in randori. I think I'd even be hesitant to use it in shiai, at least at my level. Maybe when I'm a brown belt or a black belt I'd be more confident in using it in shiai without damaging myself or the other guy, but maybe not even then. I hope your rehabilitation goes well and that you'll be back on the tatami soon.
Was scrolling for this one, 100000% with you on Ko soto gake… but it’s very likely (ok, 100%) because i’m always doing it wrong 😑
I plead guilty for the leg hook. Ko soto is my bread and butter to initiate movement in my opponent. Hopefully, I don’t compromise the integrity of my opponent’s knee. I skip over, hook the leg and lift their foot high while pulling down where their foot should be. I feel like it’s a gentle fall but maybe it’s not, I’ll ask my ukes next time ! I’ll definitely keep that in mind.
On the recieving end? osoto 100%
It is a hard throw, that’s for sure !
Harai Goshi - My knee feels fucked Kesa Gatame - When someone has really heavy top pressure you really feel it
Welcome to the harai hate club ! B of a throw. Oh yeah, a tight kesa gatame is ho-rri-ble. I think for beginners, it’s reslly the first pin they experience and the first time where they get that claustrophobic sensation. Judo top pressure game is insane
I've been doing Judo for years and I rarely tap to a pin but when my coach gets me in it, instant tap. Feels incredibly claustrophobic to be caught in it. I can't think of another pin that painful.
Yeah, a kesa gatame from someone who's experienced and knows what they're doing merits tapping out. It feels like the life is being squeezed out of you.
I hate taio toshi. It's one of the few throws where I feel there's a minimum amount of momentum to hit it and it's always a rough fall. Almost any other throw, theres a level of care you can do to make it nicer on the uke or a midway point to decelerate the throw. This throw is all gas.
Tai otoshi feels like a “whip”. Once you’re in, you’re in and you should brace for breakfall haha I got used to it early early on for the taio spammers. When it comes to executing it, I always have restraint with “lower” belts. I have no clue if they’re used to it or not. In uchikomi, I go light-light-stronger-stronger-strongest without throw - gentle throw. I try not to surprise them whit the whip effect
I don’t like it because I keep getting pain in the front of my tsurite shoulder, trying to keep the elbow in front of me. 😣 I have good days with it and bad days, and on the bad ones I can’t seem to make it work and it hurts.
As a big fan of Tai Otoshi, I completely understand your hate. I’ve taken it many times as well 😄
I think the kouchi gari with the makikomi grip is stupid and lands you right into a back take. Not worth it IMO.
I agree ! I never noticed that until cross-training bjj, ending up in a bad spot while doing all the effort is so disappointing. Even my beloved o uchi lands me in a half guard, sometimes even full guard. Not a profitable position.
I personally love passing from half guard, so I don't mind it too much. I am mindful of how much energy I spend on the feet in bjj, but I have still been able to make about 80% of my judo game work for it. But even in judo, you see people get choked off failed throws turning their back. The standing version of kouchi gari is so much less risk in my opinion.
I’m a no striped white belt in bjj, basically trying to survive with what I know in judo so a half guard for me is far from ideal ! That’s true ! I usually see people choked out from failed drop seois because it’s probably the most common but you’re absolutely right. Also, aren’t makkikomi sort of a “all-in” kinda throws? As in “I’m going on the ground but you’re also coming with me and I’ll see what happens” type of throw? I don’t like that spirit. I believe Judo was made to gain an advantage as in “we’re both standing, I throw you, I’m still standing but you’re on the ground” going to the ground as well is not my view of judo.
To me, it's important to have a plan once you hit the ground, so almost all of my throws are done with that in mind. But as a purely sport technique, I can't say it isn't effective.
It’s how I’m trying to build my game plan as of recently. It felt more and more important as I sparred in bjj. Hopefully, I’ll get to your level of thinking one day !
You can always finish rolling over your partner, though I'm pretty sure that will make it your partner's hated technique.
People will laugh at me for this, but the good ole white belt Osoto Gari. I cannot for the life of me get a nice flow of the mechanics. I hate doing it, 5 and half years in and just not for me.
Oh yeah absolutely, doing textbook osoto is hard ! It’s an ashi waza, it requires timing, emphasis on grips and so on. What a throw ! I’d wager it’s one of the most complete throws out there. Very mechanically demanding thorw. It’s a tough one, I can agree !
On the receiving end? Ura Nage. That was the first time I truly learned the meaning behind, “Can dish it out, but can’t take it.” My neck muscles were sore for days. Ground technique? The classic kesa gatame.
Yoko gake: the fall is basically flat on your back and your partner is falling with you.
No throw I hate, I am sort of interested to know how someone gets a torn ACL from a soto makikomi. It is more or less a seio but off an overhook.
I could be mistaken, but the guy sort of threw himself forward, with the overhook. All the weight ended up sitting on my buddy’s knee. I have no clue if he resisted it. I suppose tori’s leg was preventing buddy’s to get away correctly and it collapsed, resulting in the torn ACL.
I can *almost* relate. Once in randori, I had a frustrated black belt come in all guns blazing for a [kouchi makikomi](https://youtu.be/_1eygIXLD_w?si=fMJO0aSbXh7ayoqk), and suddenly I felt all his weight bearing on my knee. Thankfully, I immediately relaxed and went with the throw. I remember getting up and thinking that if I resisted, my knee likely would’ve torn / popped / exploded.
Soto makikomi is a turn throw unless I am reading it wrong I don't see you describe a turn, if he is throwing his weight forward toward the uke would suggest maybe he was aiming for a kouchi makikomi which I could see him tangling legs or maybe not getting the reap off at all? could that possibly be what happened?
I’ll try to explain it but I can’t promise anything. In kenka yotsu, tori aimed for far side osoto, got the hook with his leg. Got the overhook and initiated the throw. He then didn’t entirely turn. It was more a 90 degree turn, if you will. He launched himself in the “makkikomi”. At that point, from what my buddy told me, his leg received all the weight of tori + the torsion + the fall/makkikomi. It’s around that point where the ACL gave up, or at least I’m ready to believe so. I hope that can clear your doubts?
Watch at the 2 second mark. Now uke tries to block block and sit his butt back so weight is back behind his foot. Now uke BLASTS through and sweeps his leg back with full commitment but uke is PLANTED, weight back so he doesn't twist over tori .When tori's leg hits uke's leg /knee, the foot has nowhere to go. it is being driven back and down by the combination of uke pulling back and tori dropping down. So its like snapping a twig over your knee, only its the ligaments in your knee. Soto makikomi is not a koshi waza, it is a sutemi waza. Specifically a yoko sutemi waza. https://youtu.be/ddlz9VOlOWA?si=VTUdEpcQORoDpjzO
Honestly I feel the opposite on Okuri. I love when I hit a good Okuri, and I love the big flight that a good Okuri makes me do (It sadly doesn't happen often because I love Tsubame Gaeshi, and I do it so often that nobody actually tries Okuri on me anymore :( ). I instead hate tani otoshi, since a lot of more inexperienced green belts started doing it because It seems easy and effective and I always end up hitting the mat without any real susteinance or control by tori
Ah yeah, I feel the other way around ! If tori doesn’t know what to do with the kuzushi, you’d end up falling weirdly, it’s not a good time. Almost got my knee blown out with tani otoshi, guy almost sat on my knee. I had the reflex to turn my leg to angle where it could bend easily. Not a fun time
Dude my most hated throw is Harai Goshi. I am 6' tall w/long legs and I would LOVE to be able to do this throw but- despite my being a Sankyu (so IOW: NOT EXACTLY A NEWBIE!) I cannot-- I repeat-- CAN-FREAKING-**NOT** get even CLOSE to understanding- much less "getting"- this throw. And yet i get Harai'd into the next county EVERY SINGLE CLASS. I can do a crappy Ken-Ken Uchimata (so IOW NOT great by any stretch of the imagination but still, I HAVE thrown people with it), whereas you could literally PUT ME IN THE HARAI POSITION and then say "Ok, 'HAJIME!"" and I would NOT pull it off on a live, semi-competent resisting Uke. I am horrendous at that throw. And yes, I've been shown a billion times how to do it. Doesn't matter. "Just load Uke and sweep the leg!" Nope. "Think of it as a hip throw with the leg as finisher." Nope. "Get chest-to-chest, pull up and turn and just think of the leg as an afterthought." Uh, sorry- NOPE. That throw HATES me-- but unlike, say, Ippon Seoi Nage, I *should in theory* be able to pull it off on the regular. Nope.
Technical details for Harai Goshi **Harai goshi (sweeping hip) is a Hip technique (Koshi waza):** Tori breaks Uke's balance straight forward or to his right (left) front corner, pulls him onto the back of his right (left) hip and sweeps him up with the right (left) leg. **Best Harai goshi instructional video** Harai Goshi with former World Champion & Olympic Silver Medalist Mika Sugitomo [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6b\_k6rUweQ&feature=youtu.be&t=296](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6b_k6rUweQ&feature=youtu.be&t=296) The faster she executes the better in all details * hikite (pulling hand) not exaggerated upwards but natural forward * tsurite (lifting / fishing hand) close to the neck and ear of Uke, thumb and palm pointing to the throwing direction to lead the throw * close chest to chest contact and not! turning in with the full back but just about a little more than right-angled * left foot placement near Uke's left toes (because you need that for the rotation around and over your hip) * sweeping (harai) Uke's leg in a smooth upward movement and follow through the throw with upper body rotation and head direction, proper handwork (hikite rotation and tsurite headcontrol) guiding Uke down to the tatami Great technique and maybe the most proper Harai goshi I have ever seen.
Dude that’s exactly that, I got pissed at harai by reading your comment. I’ve been yelled at by others at practice because I’m a lefty and “supposedly” harai is a very easy-to-land throw in kenka yotsu. I cannot, I physically cannot do anything. People from my dojo have been throwing me left and right with harai. I could not throw a toddler. Harai is such a universal throw. Either in high level judo comps or in nogi or mma, the throw IS harai and I can’t do that. Pisses me off so much. I was even told by the “old guard” that I have a good build for that pos throw. I hate it with every fiber of my body. I’m so glad I got to read your comment, I feel less like an alien now. Thank you !
If it’s any consolation, I’m a lefty and don’t use harai goshi in kenka yotsu randori or competition. And it’s not cause I suck at it - it’s actually one of my best throws in nage komi. Rather, in kenka yotsu randori, the opponent’s front leg is right there - ready to be swept by kosoto gari, ashi barai, ouchi gari and uchi mata. Why would I put all this effort into attacking the rear leg & hip, when the front leg is easily within reach? 🤤 So I find it weird that people are telling you to go for harai goshi in kenka yotsu 🤔 right now, I can’t of any high level kenka yotsu players that consistently use harai goshi?
Exactly, these are my bread and butter throws, I do everything from those, throw in a tai otoshi and you’ve basically got everything I play with ! I think harai in kenka yotsu is to be applied once you “clear” the area. If my opponent reacts well to say o uchi gari by getting his leg behind. I can enter with a left side turn throw. Hence the harai. I’m MUCH more inclined to theow uchi mata or taio in that configuration though. I can’t think of high level judokas having harai as their tokui waza. But I wouldn’t be surprised by some harai in knka yotsu, would you?
Couldn’t get harai for years either, and honestly it’s still not great. I noticed a huge improvement very quickly though when I realized that I was trying too hard to stay way too upright for far too long. That screwed up my timing for both the “bowing” and the “sweeping” action in the throw. Maybe something worth investigating? Good luck!
The ones that are applied to me 😁
There's a couple that are almost physically impossible for me due to various reasons. There's one I absolutely hate and it brings terror to me at the slightest hint. Osoto makikomi. Even on a crash pad, there's no breakfall that helps me. Just pain. 😄
Ill join your friend in on the soto makki komi hate, because im still a white yellow and a guy at the dojo slammed me ruthlessly (like that guy has 0 compassion, doesnt even bow) a few times with it. I tear my ACL tho but my back hurts because of it.
Makkikomis on white belts is a low class act. If anything, you should feel good that he’s using those on you and he should not feel good at all. Makkikomi are sutemi waza, sutemi is “I’m willing to compromise my position so that I can ensure that we both end up on the ground”. He’s admitting to not being able to land a non-sutemi waza if he spams them. I hope your back will get better !
Well i am 19 and 90kg and ive been told by mid to high tier belts that im kinda hard to throw to the point that they have to either throw me on my side or fall with me
They admit that you’re a good opponent already ! But it doesn’t move away the fact that the one dude you mentioned is low class, you’re still a white belt. I got thrown “hard” as a white belt when I was learning osoto because my supporting foot was too far, too close, etc. But it was done with a purpose. It doesn’t seem like it’s the case for your opponent.
Yea he’s definitely lacks sportsmanship
Ushiko Kesa Gatame. How is it that everyone can escape when I do the pin but I cannot get out of it to save my life
I dislike sumi gaeshi (atleast the way it occurs most of the time). I don't like the fact that it scores as an often near impactless sort of rollthrough, where Tori might actually be taking more impact than Uke. It feels really cheap so to say, although I personally don't favor sutemi waza to begin with. The only way it feels like a nice valid technique to me is if you roll through into having some form of control (i.e. sidecontrol).
Sumi gaeshi is SPAMMED in high level comps, it’s so boring, I hate that throw as a spectator!
Tai o toshi. People doing it wrong and destroying knees
I'm obsessed with the Canto choke at the moment. It's awful and so so good.
Sweeps like kouchi and ouchigari. My legs are short, slow, and thick so those kind of “poke” throws are not ones I care for unless I’m able to set it up in a combination to close the gap. Meanwhile, I love Oguruma, Tai Otoshi, Ashi Guruma, and other hip throws like them.
I’m the opposite, for every ippon I get with a “big” turn throw, I get 10 with a little sweep. I love those sneaky legs inserted here and there. Ashi guruma is a BEAUTY of a throw, that’s for sure, gotta love it ! O guruma? That’s a rare throw, I can’t imagine the pride when you land one !
Well I’m a big guy so those throws are my kind of thing it seems. Hip throws seems to be my forte.
For ages, I hated sode tsurikomi goshi because tori has a grip on both of uke's sleeves, so you can't slap when you fall. I recently learned that in nagekomi, it is allowed and considered polite to let one hand go as uke is going over so that they can slap, but you don't want to do that in randori or shiai. In general, I hate all the throws where tori forgets to twist, which results in me going headfirst into the mat. But that's not really a single type of throw or inherent to the throw, many throws can have that problem depending on the tori. I hate guard. I despise it. I have no idea why we bother with it in a judo dojo, since in shiai you will probably never be in that position. I'm probably just mad because I'm terrible at passing guard. It almost invariably results in me getting reversed, or just making no progress, depending on how skillful my partner is, and jamming my knuckles into their inner thigh to get past their leg feels mean. I also hate drop seoi nage. The ground comes at you fast, it's frequently in the category of "tori didn't twist enough so you're going into the ground headfirst," and I feel like some people rely on it too much.
I hate O Soto Gari from the bottom of my heart. An O Soto Gari thrown straight back with force causes a concussion every single time and just hurts too much. Therefore I have taken it to my life mission to teach proper O Soto Gari.
Finding your calling through suffering, nice story to tell ! Have fun teaching !
Reverse ude garami (Americana/ key lock) Had my arm broken with in a BJJ match. Spiral fracture to the humerus, surgery to put in 8 titanium rods and still have pain in my elbow and shoulder when I lift weights years later.
Oh my lord, that’s horrible. It’s sadly part of the sports but it’s not great when it happens… Hope you can finally fully recover some day
Thanks. I train much more gently now, continuing rehab etc. It is what it is, just thankful I can do most things with only mild discomfort and no serious permanent damage (it was temporarily paralyzed after the break, so obvs glad that’s not an issue). Still fear that submission tho and it’s an easy way to get me to tap.
Also when you’re on someone’s back and they try to forward roll out and almost take your head off.
Morore seoi nage. It hurts my wrist elbow and shoulder. It doesn’t matter how fast I go in or how perfect my technique is. I always have pain when I do this throw and it doesn’t matter what side I do it on. It’s my sensei signature throw and he prides himself on it and makes sure everyone knows how to do it.
Seoin nage and its variations are a staple and teacher to pride themselves teaching it. Half my buddies have ISN as their tokui waza. I can use it but I telegraph it too much lol Obviously ippon and not morote, cause it’s juste like you, I can’t stand strain on my shoulder/elbow
My signature 2 throws I’m known for is O goshi and Hiza guruma. However Tani Otoshi is becoming my go to over Hiza.
Sumi gaeshi. As a big guy with a bad back, it's almost impossible for me to pull off.
Tsurikomi Goshi or okuri, subs? Not a big fan of juji gatame bc most likely it is going to destroy my nuts, hold down? Kesa gatame
Sumi Gaeshi, for sure. I used to be able to get it here and there, then I got my brown belt and that disappeared. Meanwhile, even an orange belt can throw me with it and I’m rarely able to escape. Pretty much any Makikomi makes me feel powerless. Kami-Shiho is both one of my favorite pins and most hated pins to be stuck in. I know some of the ways to escape but it almost never works for me.
Sumi is horrible for me, I can’t read it, I can’t predict it and it’s so frustrating ! It’s sad it disappeared. Maybe your judo just changed? More standing judo? Did you pick up any other throw instead of sumi?
Definitely changed, as that was around the first few months into my training. I’ve since grown and developed other throws like Tai Otoshi and Koshi Guruma. As far as sutemi waza though, I’m experimenting with Yoko Otoshi
Drop sode. Got concussed by it.
Ippon Seio. I'm 6'1"
I absolutely hate being on the receiving end of Ura-nage, Sumi-gaeshi or Tomoe-nage...
Kani Basami. Enough said.
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For me it's any drop throws. I have real bad knees and so dropping to my knees with the reckless abandon necessary kills me.
I personally hate uranage. Neither I can execute the throw, nor I enjoy receiving it. The worst part about uranage is that no matter the skill level of the tori, it just ALWAYS hurts as hell. The throw ist just designed like that, and nothing can be done about it. I also hate doing it, because currently I'm competing in the +70 cathegory, and I weigh just a bit more than 70 kg, so as you can imagine most of my opponents are much heavier than me, so there's no way I'm picking them up and then slamming them down. It is just completly useles for me, although I umderstand that if you're lightweight it might work for you. There are many throws I don't like doing, mostly due to my lack of skill, but I understand the importance of learning things you don't know, so I'm hoping to get better at them with time. Not uranage though. I also used to hate doing tai otoshi, but recently somebody explained it to me thoroughly, and it turned out that I just misunderstanded the throw.
Sode Tsurikomi goshi, some people don't bend the uke's arms correctly, causing them to essentially do a standing arm lock while attempting a throw which stresses me the fuck out, because the throw isn't performed very well and easy to block but doing so can damage your arm
On the recieving end id say a soto makkikomi (Even tho its on of my favs to use), mune gatame, Ude garami (or any figure 4 arm lock tbh) In terms of drilling id say classic standing morote seoi nage, I just feel alot more tension arm and usually prefer using it with a drop and thats it tbh
I guess Kani basami because it injured Rokas.
Not a throw but I hate the Georgian over top grip. It’s just really strong because there’s no good counters for it in current rule set. Legs grabs would really help against that style.
I feel your pain. I have a strong 100kg training partner that likes to Georgian grip. If you time it right when they go down your back, side step and hit a quick sasae.