This was the same for KCONIC spending all money on Kimi instead of Bulldok and the same with H Brothers Entertainment doing the same for MiSO and Girls Girls.
It was Hyeongeun, ostensibly from health issues, but more likely due to the backlash from supposedly insulting BTS. She had made some waves at Produce 101, so it was definitely disappointing to see her career end this way.
https://www.sbs.com.au/popasia/blog/2017/05/18/rookie-girl-group-bulldok-loses-member-hyeongeun
Bad talked some BTS member on some broadcast and since she was a nugu...
https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/05/hyung-eun-under-fire-for-her-comments-about-bts-v-rumored-to-be-leaving-bulldok
She didn’t talk bad about them though?
1) She said she lost interest in them, which translates to her taste in music/idols changing. Why is she being flamed for that? Even then, she stated she was joking.
2) Also, this isn’t an official TV broadcast, but some livestream done by friends, so obviously she’s going to talk informally and not say 방탄선년단-선배님.
If anything, it just means she doesn’t view them from a junior’s perspective, but from a fan’s perspective. (fans just refer to BTS as bangtanseonyeondan) And frankly, “bangtanseonyeondan-sunbaenim” is a mouthful.
Knets are literally so toxic - especially ARMY. They’ll find anything to be offended about and will then proceed to bash other idols for it. e.g. Nancy, Jeongyeon, etc.
I feel bad for her. She at least deserved honesty.
If the company felt that Coco wasn't worth the investment, while Sori is, that's understandable and their prerogative. It's a business. Just be professional about it. You're going to hurt her feelings either way, but at least then she might be able to accept it and move on, rather than feeling aggrieved.
Right? Like if you're cold enough to be a business, be a straightforward one.
Honestly things like bad contracts and poor management bother me, but it's the taking advantage and lying and throwing artists under the bus that really gets to me.
Especially the taking advantage cause this so easy to say "well they knew what they were getting into" quickly taking all the heat off of the person with the worst intentions.
Like being dishonest with the fans whatever they're not on your payroll , but you're own artists? That's fucked up.
Also she still released music and you think they didn't get a cut of that? Of course they did. It's slimey and I hate it.
Not only that, but future trainees might take into consideration how the company treats their own idols and wouldn't want to risk to put all to lose since the company would be allegedly lying.
lol I'm not surprised. Nugu agencies gonna do what nugu agencies have to do to survive.
I hope Sori actually wants to do what she's currently doing and isn't pushed into this bikini/latex modeling thing by some bigshot in the company.
If every upvoter on /r/kpopfap had bought her song, she'd have made hella money, but... They're not really the money spending audience.
Yeah it's not uncommon for super tiny agencies to do that. They should've been more transparent about their intentions though (even a "Sori has some traction rn so we want to focus on her comeback to capitalize on it" might've been better than just keeping Coco in the dark) because it's unfair but businesses aren't always known to be fair lolol...
And yeah, I love Sori a lot and I sure hope she's not being exploited. Considering CocoSori and Real Girls Project were kinda cutesy young concepts and Sori mostly chose mature/sexy songs on MixNine, I want to hope she wanted a sexy concept and its not the company trying to use her body as a selling point that she's uncomfortable with.
its not even nugu agencies, even the bigger / mid sized agencies do it. Whenever someone wonders why some group hasn't had a comeback in over a year, the most likely reason is that they're not profitable and the company has decided that its unlikely that they ever will become so. So they decide to stop throwing money away trying. Coco's company choose to push Sori because they can't afford to push both of them, and or they decided Coco won't make it. Simple as that.
You know I honestly feel like the groups that came after I.O.I were kind of doomed to fail with a huge fan base basically FORCED to split. Maybe its because I don't follow weki-meki, pristin, gugudan but they were literally more successful as I.O.I than as their current groups. Only exception I can think of is Chungha, but she's solo; and Somi is 'solo' too but she's not doing what she wants (idol), she's just basically in limbo right now only showing up on tv shows
And yet Chungha did it, it's not about being solo or a group, Chungha did it because of her music. RC was on the chart for a very very long time that it won some kind of award. Not only that, she also actually appears on TV whether it's entertainment or award.
I followed the groups and unfortunately for them... The music is, not bad, but not exactly the kind that can compete on the top chart.
And except for a small part of them, none gets on the tv, and when they do (as a group), some are just plain awkward on the camera.
Even so i believe wjsn got some shot, they're pretty solid. The others are still clinging on IOI fanbase... And pristin looks good (they did win rookie award) but somehow got into limbo...
Well, maybe. But it's a gamble. A giant group like IOI *also* cuts into the profits of the involved agencies if they have more than one girl group with a similar audience.
See I don't know what contracts and such everyone was in. But, I felt like I would've just bought them out of their contracts and put the term I.O.I under my company. It was such a successful run that no one disputed how popular they were. Were they the MOST popular or such? No one can really say, that's mostly bias, but you can't argue that they were immensely more successful before breakup than after. If only 2-3 of the members are slightly successful out of the entire 11 members, then there is something wrong.
I honestly think Wanna One is going to go down the same path, but the only one I can see being successful from that group is Daniel Kang(sorry I haven't been up-to date in recent kpop groups/fandoms) only because I see him so much on his own. He's more successful as an entertainer than as a singer like Somi. Because right now, I know him more for his entertainment abilities than his abilities as a singer/idol. Same with Somi, I love them but I have never gone and thought, "I miss that one song Somi/Daniel slayed in".
However, I do see more 'potential' with Daniel than with Somi. Somi is underage, goes to school and was under JYP trainee dungeon until she left. Daniel is 21 so there is less restrictions. It is also easier for a male to go solo with a 'sexy' concept or a 'bad boy' concept than it is for a girl group member to do a solo concept in general. Yubin was fairly popular in WG, but no matter how much she is my bias, I can't seem to back her solo concept too much( I personally think the concept of her first solo didn't fit her music style per say). HA:FELT was doing good however but MIA atm I believe.
In Fx's case they make more money with krystal and especially Victoria doing CFs than the group would make. Victoria making money in China. Its the same thing with Miss A, who needs the group anymore when you have a CF queen like Suzy?
Didn't Miss A disband long ago? The situation would be different with f(x), there's been no official announcement about their status and SM is focusing on Red Belbet when we talk about girl groups under the agency.
Alteast give them a STATION collaboration, and not just Luna collaborating but the entire group. Their sound and overall concept is hardly seen in the industry and I love it. I can't speak for international artists but if they heard 4 Walls and liked it (because the feel is quite dreamy and new age to me) then that means that SM has maybe found the right fit for the group artistically speaking.
If only SM read reddit posts like Valve.
Like a year ago? Miss A was dead for quite a while b4 actually being disbanded for the reasons I mentioned. Fx is the same. And theyve been effectively replaced by RV. RV is just a lighter less extreme version of Fx's experimental sound and left field aesthetic. Just a little bit more of the snsd girl next door vibe in there to make it friendlier. So as far as SM is concerned there is no reason for Fx's continued existence when not only do some of the members make good money for the company individually but that they already have a younger group occupying the same market space.
Disbanding a year ago seems like a long time ago in the KPop industry, what with the number and frequency of groups churning out albums and singles.
Wish the best for the Miss A members.
The thing is with small companies the contracts are different, if a comeback doesn't work for a nugu company the artist can try to find a part time job or do anything else until they decide to try a new comeback. Mid tier companies are much worse because of slave contracts, idols have to stay until the contract is over.
This is exactly what is happening with T.S, there are no signs of comebacks and all those kids are minors, they keep making Makestar and using BAP but the money isn't going to the artists.
Idols seem fine with a lot of shit in videos (and I actually thought she seemed kind of uncomfortable modeling the bikinis, but that doesn't mean she was). Pentagon, as the most recent example I can think of, also seems fine in the videos they were shooting around the time the E'Dawn stuff was at its height despite it being incredibly unlikely that all of the members were carefree and not at all stressed given that their team was being forcefully pulled apart.
You have to take shit with a grain of salt, is all I'm saying. Even Amber seems "fine" in a lot of videos she's appeared in tied with other SM artists despite making it very clear that she's not fine and is, in actuality, pretty upset over what's been going on.
Sori's job is to appear happy and confident, but that doesn't mean she's actually cool with the concept. On the other hand, she could be totally cool with the concept! I hope she is... I can't imagine much worse than being forced into an image and behavior that you're incredibly uncomfortable with in front of thousands of people.
She didn't seem uncomfortable to me but I haven't watched those videos fully. Anyways, what's interesting is the comments are mostly how great the outfits are. And it seems like from mostly females.
Idk, to me it seems like she genuinely likes showing her outfits. But who really knows but her.
Speak for yourself, I bought...oh...wait...I mean I bought her song not because I frequent kpopfap...I mean...I didn't even know about that sub 'til now...
I understand its about the principle and her wanting to be told honestly she’s not the main focus or money maker
Idk I’ve seen her drive fancy cars and wear designer clothes that seems to be hers in LA. So i don’t feel as bad for her getting shut out by her agency. I think she’s pretty well off( from her yt videos at least). But I get it. But at same time I also get her agency’s perspective.
Team nobody
Coco grew up in a pretty affluent neighborhood in California. But besides that point, I don't get how she can talk about how Mole didn't help her. Mole offered her a song, and Coco didn't take it. Also, she chose to release the music video on her channel and not Mole's after Mole offered to do it. Not only that, she had multiple solo projects, and they were not as successful as "Touch".
It just seems like she denied a lot of projects and helped from Mole and changing the narrative that Mole is icing her out. She openly admitted to a lot of this in her Twitch stream from a few months ago. I have a hard time finding sympathy for her in this situation, especially when she and her friends initially villainized Sori on social media.
This is the harsh reality of being in the industry. We don’t get to hear most of the internal politics because of non-disclosures in contracts. Who knows if Coco is breaching her contract right now? She has clearly stated that she’s not allowed to say anything bad about her company which she isn’t adhering to right now.
No matter how angry she is at her company, it didn’t give her the right to put down Sori when she made her solo debut. Then used her friends to “defend” her and continued to put down Sori. It was a low blow. Bring awareness to the industry, not tear someone else down to build yourself up.
Being an idol is hard. It’s pretty much guaranteed that if you’re not part of the big three, you won’t find much success. Even if you’re not part of the big three, you would need the right personality, look, huge amount of talent, support from your company, and the right song to cut through the over-saturation in the industry right now.
I’m not sure I would trust Coco on how much her company actually spent on Sori’s debut. It’s not like they would tell Coco that they spent 2-3x as much on Sori than on her. Coco needs to remember that the company owns Sori’s youtube channel. So whatever money is made from those views are reinvested into Sori while Coco owns and operates her own youtube and twitch account.
Exactly and she didn't mention how she already was given a solo by MOLE (that flopped) before sori (touch was her first) and rejected a song they offered her so they told her she'd have to crowdfund for her second one. She also didn't mention that sori also crowdfunded for hers as well and made pretty much the same amount as sori yet made such a high quality MV. Sori has more potential and idol quality and the public likes her after mixnine and real girls project so of course the company would invest more in her because the company's goal is to make money not lose money and they've probably made quite a bit considering how well touch has performed in Korea for a nobody idol.
I honestly don’t believe her. Everything from her saying that she never knew about Sori’s solo debut to them not supporting her.
Her company didn’t give her support for her YT channel or her solo comeback because she wanted complete control of it; so they allowed her to create it just without their help. Sori decided to make a channel and debut but with their help. Apparently Sugar Cake wasn’t the song her company was gonna give her, she didn’t like their song so she decided to go off on her own, her own choice.
As for her not knowing they’re from a small company, how could she have not heard or seen anything? I just feel she’s just upset that Sori did better than her (solo wise as well as Mix9) even though she was the “more famous one”. She also has had 2 solo songs if I’m correct, let Sori have her well deserved moment.
I remember she once made a post on IG calling herself a “starving artist” while also posting expensive things and asking for people to donate her $, if you were really that then you would flex your music not the expensive things you buy with your money while begging others for theirs. She comes off as some entitled princess who wanted to get rich and famous quickly but got her rude awakening.
She also talked shit and threw shade at sori on Instagram and as soon as people called her out, she changed the caption and had her YouTube friends (Edward, etc) defend her and also shade sori. Man her and her friends are quite rude saying sori "isn't doing that succesful" when her solo certainly did much better than Edward and cocos music. She reached a million views and got to perform on like six shows while they only have about a quarter of her views and rely on the north american market and are nobodies in Korea.
Its sad and it sucks and I feel for Coco on a personal level but I think she's pushing it with continuing to talking about this at this point and putting it into a perspective and narrative to get pity / sympathy from her viewers. I'm not faulting her for it or criticizing her for it.. But Its a small company with limited budget and limited income. They made the decision to push and promote Sori because they decided she is more marketable. Its a much better idea to fully back one artist rather than give two of them half assed promotions and material. Its just the sad reality that this is all business at the end of the day. Hell, JYPE had to pull all of WG's staff for Twice because at the time they were in tough times and understaffed so they had to go for a Hail Mary, and it worked out. Coco's company is probably like that but 50x worse. Coco is acting like its malicious on the companies part. They made their decision on who to promote and told her what they told her because the harsh reality is well.. much harsher. What would she rather hear? " we don't think you'll make it, sorry, but we can't afford to burn more money on you, if you want to do shit and collect money via kickstarter or however else you want, be our guest, but sorry to say when your contract ends, we won't be asking you to renew".
I also think Sori just has more talent point blank lol. She's a good singer and a great dancer. I remember when Cocosori dance practice videos for 'Mi Amor' came about and Coco was just... really bad - she had no rhythm, her dancing was off beat and stiff. Fans called her out and she said it was because of the high heels she was wearing and that she'd be better if she wore shorter heels, but continued dancing that way even during promotions. It always seemed to me like Sori just put more effort into being an idol.
I get Coco's perspective of course, but homegirl here played the starving artist card when she drives a Porsche lol. She's an unreliable narrator at best. I also don't like how she's throwing a colleague under the bus for something that isn't in her control.
I don't get why people keep bringing up this idea that Coco is so much worse than Sori? Alot of factors play into being successful and not just dancing. I actually think Coco is a better singer and has a more unique dance style. Although she does seem to lack more precise movements, her accuracy and rhythm seem on point. Just compare the two coreography videos they released for their new songs: Coco - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFXszcwabgQ vs Sori - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrRWoFLPF1E. Coco's dance was more complicated, had flair, and Coco seemed so much more crisp/energetic than Sori. Sori was going for a sexy concept, but look at how lethargic she moved between positions. Is that really the "good singer...great dancer" people keep attributing to?
I never watched this competition that both Coco and Sori attended, but it just sounds to me that the competition environment wasn't the place for Coco or Coco has vastly improved over time.
As for how much money Coco has....personal money is different from buisness money. You want her to mortgage her stuff so she can price match the support given by a complete company?
Obviously her sharing this stuff is not good for anyone, but it brings a transparency to how fucked this industry seems. And if Sori and the company gloss over something like this, is it any surprise that the person they fuck over (who also may give up her dream career because of this) exposes them?
I look at these comments talking about how she pulls the starving artist card when she drives a porche, and it baffles me. Other people defend her saying it's sponsored and such, when they're missing the whole point. Why even sign a CONTRACT with a company if they give zero support? Coco said she did everything herself. She might as well go and be self employed, make her own entrepenuership considering how much work she had to put in. And I'm pretty fucking sure the company gets a cut of her profits. This has to be a breach of contract or they signed some really bullshit contract that takes advantage of her.
She breached her contract when she started talking shit and exposing the points of her contract to YouTube. As an artist, you don't talk shit about your company especially when they gave you so many opportunities but the public just didn't like you. Sori got mixnine and real girls project but no solo (she had to crowdfund for hers too) while coco got a solo, OFFERED A SECOND ONE (That she rejected so they told her she would have to crowdfund then since she rejected their song) and got to got to go on the unit but was rejected after first round of auditions. If she was any bigger, she'd be getting absolutely shat on rn by netizens for complaining 24/7. Netizens shat so hard on amber when she barely complained so I can't imagine how screwed she'd be if netizens discovered how
> She breached her contract when she started talking shit and exposing the points of her contract to YouTube.
In what way? You know the contract?
> As an artist, you don't talk shit about your company especially when they gave you so many opportunities but the public just didn't like you.
Why don't you talk shit about your company if it's bad? I understand that would jepordize the relationship, but she's nearing the end of her contract and maybe career. And what opportunities, they made her crowdfund everything. Also, "the public don't like her", the fuck? You don't speak for everyone sorry.
> Sori got mixnine and real girls project but no solo (she had to crowdfund for hers too) while coco got a solo, OFFERED A SECOND ONE (That she rejected so they told her she would have to crowdfund then since she rejected their song) and got to got to go on the unit but was rejected after first round of auditions.
They doubled/quadrupled the money Sori crowdfunded, that's not crowdfunding. I honestly can't understand this part, can you retype this?
> If she was any bigger, she'd be getting absolutely shat on rn by netizens for complaining 24/7. Netizens shat so hard on amber when she barely complained so I can't imagine how screwed she'd be if netizens discovered how
As far as I can tell, what the fuck are you even saying? That Coco should be grateful that she is small-time and rabid retarded netizens don't attack her like you? Sori got attacked more so she deserves the support or something? How do you even judge who got attacked more without being a biased little shit?
Lol you're being a hypocrite saying I'm biased when you're obviously very biased yourself. I'm stating the facts. The public obviously didn't like her if BOTH her solos flopped domestically in Korea as well as internationally. Maybe if you looked at other sources and not just coco herself you'd notice that sori literally crowdfunded her solo debut all by herself Just like Coco with sugarcake it's just that one got more fame and traction then the other. Coco has no netizens talking about her because she is essentially a nobody compared to sori who although got some harsh criticism due to her sexy concept, she managed to be #11 on mnet countdown, had an ad playing at myeongdong, and was able to perform on many music shows and heck even got a fanchant while during Coco's performance on I think the show, the crowd was just quiet. Coco talked about the terms of her contract before on YouTube or twitch I don't remember and she broke quite a bit of it but even if she didn't, I think it's customary to realize majority of contracts basically say not to shit talk the company and your comembers no matter what.
I'm biased about what? Towards Coco? Coco mentions that Sori got double/quadruple the funds that she did. Do you think the advertising at myeongdong didn't come from the company support? I'm confused at how you think that's fair. A contract is give and take. The company takes Coco's profit money and gives her zero support. The company takes Sori's profit money, but also gives her money, coreography, dancers, videography, advertising, connections, music artists, stages, performances, and venues.
You keep bringing up how Coco doesn't compare well to Sori, when that isn't the issue... That's why you're biased, you think that's relevant to the argument. When you have two employees who sign similar contracts, and you treat one better than the other, that's a breach of contract and a completely fucked up thing to do in terms of business ethics.
I don't get why you keep bringing up that Sori is more "deserving", especially when this is a business. You can invest in one artist over the other, but the company clearly took all their investments FROM Coco and gave it TO Sori. That's why they lied to Coco saying they didn't have money. Clearly they had money, just not for Coco. So what does Coco even get from the contract?
I agree. The company was pretty much banking on Sori's mixnine momentum. I don't think it was particularly unfair; also given that Coco already had a solo before Sori anyway.
They shouldn't have lied to and deceived her. That definitely isn't fair. But what she doesn't seem to realize, or at least doesn't seem to be saying to her stream is that they probably did that (in a misguided attempt) to not hurt her feelings. And she definitely isn't saying the likely reasons why they decided to push Sori and leave her behind, like I stated.
Please do watch the VOD on this, Coco implied pretty strongly that they were preparing the comebacks at roughly the same time (keep in mind they were only a few weeks apart), they were just hiding that fact from her. The decision to cut her, and the group, was made before either of the comebacks.
And to clarify Coco made it clear that she didn't mind that Sori was getting more attention, she only took issue with being lied to about it. In fact she said that she really wanted to continue the duo but that Sori had told her she was done with music and wanted to pursue acting instead. That is why it took her by surprise.
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>but it's just not fair that the company is treating us differently[...]
She clearly is not happy about her getting nothing and Sori getting a lot of support.
That's how it works with the idol industry lmao not everyone is gonna be succesful and she's already lucky she got a solo before sori did and even got to try her hand at the unit (but got rejected) but sori is more succesful and for a small company, they're obviously going to favor the money maker over say someone that whines and complains 24/7 and talks shit about her own company/comembers.
I'm referring to Coco's solo before this one. Wishy washy I think it was called. Touch was Sori's solo debut while Sugar Cake was already Coco's solo comeback.
Wait, what decision to cut her and the group, has CocoSori officially disbanded at that time?
Officially, no, but Coco has made it extremely clear that she and the company have no intention of renewing their contract, which means the group has an expiration date.
yeah once again she comes with this narrative. I guess it's working with her small audience and they are giving her more money out of pity, so she keeps bringing it. at this point, she should just move on and accept reality, instead of trying to give a bad look on her former colleague and agency.
Streaming is a tough business now with so many people trying their hand at it.
Everyone's needs something that makes them stand out. Maybe the former kpop star throwing out shade is her angle.
Is she planning to continue being an idol after her contract is done? Because all I can think about is who will want to hire her if she’s known for exposing her company all the time.
I dislike her telling her audience what Sori apparently said to her. If Sori isn’t sharing something like that with the public, why are you? This whole thing is so one sided and ugly.
Nevermind coco also talked shit and threw shade at sori on ig and had Edward talk shit and say things like "sori isn't even that succesful" when her solo DEBUT reached one million views compared to cocos comeback and Edwards video that aren't even at a quarter of hers. She literally breached her contract by exposing the details of her contract as well as talk badly about her company and comember. Man if she was even a tiny bit known in Korea and not just USA, netizens would tear her to shreds for her attitude.
ok but what Coco needs to do is stop being petty towards Sori when it wasn't her fault?? Coco got a few solo songs that I know of and Sori gets a single solo and Coco was being all pressed about it lmao
She's better known with i-fans because of her YouTube channel but Sori has a bit more presence in Korea and had trended a bit after YG was rude and ageist towards her on MixNine. She managed to hold onto that momentum for majority of the show and made it into the top 9 so it's safe to say she gained quite a few fans from that, even if ratings were pretty awful.
It's hard to tell what's happening in Japan when you don't live there, but i think Sori is fairly popular there too. She speaks japanese quite well also.
Yeah, I'm not buying this pity act. She practically dragged Sori's name through the mud and tried to ruin her debut. Thinking back, I remember Sori being super supportive of her solo efforts. It's too bad she couldn't get that same support from her bandmate. Honestly, eat rocks Coco.
This all started with her shit talking her company and announcing she was done on an IG post when her crowdfunding campaign for her solo started. Which was in response to someone calling her out for saying she was a struggling artist when she is rich as fuck.
This was a week or two before Sori’s solo was even announced.
While they probably did her dirty, she isn’t innocent in this either.
lol just saying but just because you have private money or at least enough to live comfortably doesn't mean that she has to fund her promotions herself (which she actually kinda did anyways). If she is under contract with an agency it is that agencies duty to pay for a comeback and they didn't have the money/ didn't want to pay for her comeback themselves and made her do a Kickstarter.
I find it weird that nobody tells the other mid-tier idols that come from rich parents that they should finance their group's comebacks? Nobody was calling for Umji to fund a GFriend comeback before they went Me Gustas To viral, did they?
Her company literally offered her a song for her solo comeback and she rejected it and wanted to do her own thing, so In response the company said ok but you'll need to fund it yourself since you rejected ours and don't want to post it on the company channel but instead on hers. Nevermind sori also had to crowdfund for her solo DEBUT as well
I am in no way saying she should have paid for it herself, it was just the hypocrisy of her trying to play the “struggling artist” card when she was not. Also, it was the mud slinging on her part that rubbed me the wrong way.
Also, it wasn’t the first crowd funding campaign they did either. The last thing their company paid for was Coco’s first solo single.
> she was a struggling artist when *she is rich as fuck*
Source?
If that's true it seems silly to think a limited company budget would stop her from doing the things she wants if she could just use her own vast coffers of gold.
Look at any of her yt videos and she is constantly splurging on expensive things.
Also read in the comments of this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/8zrwlp/coco_cocosori_starts_kickstarter_for_2nd_solo/?st=JOU8IVEA&sh=dff7cb8d
In 'a' Porsche, there's nothing indicating its actually hers, as she only ever shows up in it while shes in the US. Also not all Porsche's are reserved for millionaires. I see at least 3 Panamara nearly every time I drive around, and that is the model that she is in in those Instagram posts. That is a car that is about 85k. Or even more likely since it looks more like an SUV its the Macan, which is barely more than competing SUV models at 40k.
While its certainly an expensive car it's not outside of the realm of possibility that an upper middle class family could own, for comparison the BMW 7 is about that price, but at the same time could not afford to blow 20k on a music video. I am willing to bet if it was a BMW, which is a pretty common car, people would not be so up in arms about it. More than likely that car isn't hers but is instead owned by someone in her family and she borrows it while in the US instead of renting a car.
Her family seems to have money, but I doubt they are wealthy. She wouldn't still be living with her parents if that were the case. They are likely on the high-end of middle class or low end of upper. Neither of which would have the disposable income to fund a $20,000 music video.
I am in no way saying her family owning a Porsche or having money means she (and her family) should fund her own music video.
I was adding to what the previous commenter said because in Coco’s IG post about the crowdfunding she tagged it as starving artist which is far from the truth.
Most of that shit is either sponsored or can be gotten via connections though.
Also, she's making more money via twitch streaming than she ever has under her company.
Sponsors is also a possibility, yes.
As far as her twitch streaming goes, I'm fairly certain the previous poster was refering to a time before she was streaming and getting donations too.
Still though, there is plenty of idols who come from rich backgrounds and nobody is telling 'them' that they should fund their group's comebacks. It's the duty of the company and not of the Idol to find investors.
But if she is under contract with a company all the profit would go to them. You can't really do your own projects because that would mean you are creating competition for your own company. She would be paying to work.
As a fan of their group and someone who supported both their solo campaigns it's really sad to see the reality of their careers. I feel so sad for Coco because I feel she tries so hard to be positive in bad situations and I feel for Sori because I don't think she's as comfortable with the sexy route as she appears to be.
Based on her comments about what Sori had told her before they cut her off, Sori was not particularly interested in doing music anymore at all and was more keen to shifting to acting, so I think you might be right about her. Seems the company is not giving her much room. Which is understandable now that the company is completely banking of her to make any money.
People on this subreddit are all like "wow we love a queen confident about being sexy" but I don't really agree with that. People said the same thing about Stellar but then it turned out that they were being forced by their company to perform in increasingly revealing clothing and the girls felt terrible about their concept. Sori knows has a nice body and she seems positive but at the same time I doubt she would have to do such a sexy concept and dance in fishnets and lingerie if she were more known.
I never trust that females in kpop aren't being exploited for sexy concepts. I really loved Stellar but you could CLEARLY tell the sexy concepts were forced and uncomfy but then no one supported them when the concept wasn't sexy?? Even Hyuna seemed uncomfortable with the sexy concept when Cube first pushed for it but then I think she kinda went "well fuck it" and just really ran hard with it.
I think SISTAR had a strong sexy concept that wasn't super forced and it was more cheerful and playful sexy than for just the male gaze but you can never really trust that the entertainment industry won't exploit women for money ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Girl groups, and specifically, their companies, are always going to rely on the male gaze and a race to the bottom in terms of sexiness to get the hits and profits. It always works, and as you mentioned, more often then not, you can see the discomfort in some female idol's faces when said concepts go too far.
I feel sorry for Sori because her on-stage outifts for that solo attempt were downright atrocious. Was her company going for a 80's fashion blind hooker look? Cause they achieved just that.
I don't get the impression Sori is being forced into the sexy concept, she appears to genuinely be comfortable with it. BUT some of her outfits, from MV to stage clothing, were really terrible. not just revealing but looking cheap and uncomfortable. in her showcase she appeared wearing just a corset, ffs.
How often do you think companies lie to idols? All the time.
I think it would've been equally brutal if the company just said "We are going to put our eggs with Sori. We just don't think you have what it takes to go solo and Cocosori isn't popular enough". I feel bad, but only because she hasn't let it go. Being an A or B list idol is hard.
She is well off in terms of money and shes upset because her company prioritized the one who was more talented, theres nothing more to see here, she would be upset even if they told her that straight up. Stop trying to victimize a woman who blatantly talks about how her company is poor and doesn't make her any money then drives off in her Porsche, but is upset when they get money and don't use it on her they use it on the one who is working her ass off and isn't buying expensive cars and designer clothes.
Since she did all the work herself, Coco really didn't even need the company to have her comeback, so I get why she would be upset. Then again the company should have just been straight up, Sori got into the Mix Nine debut team and nearly debuted. Sori really did deserve something for making it that far, and considering Coco already got a solo debut you'd think she'd realize that Sori deserves a chance to be solo too. If the company had sat Coco down and told her their plans and that they couldn't support her at the moment, this issue would have been far less messy.
I frequent her streams and this is the first shes talked about it since the last time 2 months ago as I know of. And for context this was all in response to someone asking if she still talked to Sori and then continued when someone asked about the preparations for the music video. So it wasn't like she just brought it up, and it seemed to me that she was just in a mood to vent.
And really she doesn't need to do much get donations. People donate 100s randomly regardless, people donate to cute girls on twitch all the time, no sob story needed. That said she \*does\* push her single pretty much every stream but that is to be expected. This is the first I have seen her mention anything to do with the company, 99% of the stream is very light hearted. My interpretation of it was to temper expectations and inform fans not to expect her to do anything with Sori or the company. Hope this provides some context. And really I think she is past it as shes putting 100% effort into her youtube and twitch channels.
Another factor to consider is that Coco pretty much confirmed months ago that she was not going to renew with her company. She's the less popular member in Korea and already had her foot halfway out the door. From the company's perspective, there was no reason to spend any more money on her than they needed to. Was that unfair? Sure, I guess. But business is business, and there's rarely room for feelings. Not to mention Coco probably wouldn't have felt any better if the company straight up told her that they're not spending money on her because she's less popular, not profitable, and is leaving the company anyway.
I generally like Coco, but I don't feel like the company did anything worth vilifying them over.
This was the same for KCONIC spending all money on Kimi instead of Bulldok and the same with H Brothers Entertainment doing the same for MiSO and Girls Girls.
Is that what happened with Bulldok? I was wondering why they just vanished
I doubt it because I dont think Kimi had any solo stuff until after that other girl had that scandal and they disbanded?
She had some teasers? Or a dance video can't remember exactly
Scandal? Could you elaborate or share some links? I always liked Buldok and wondered why it disbanded so quickly.
It was Hyeongeun, ostensibly from health issues, but more likely due to the backlash from supposedly insulting BTS. She had made some waves at Produce 101, so it was definitely disappointing to see her career end this way. https://www.sbs.com.au/popasia/blog/2017/05/18/rookie-girl-group-bulldok-loses-member-hyeongeun
Well, fortunately she is in a group called Peace now, and also manages a gamer girl group named [Aqua](https://kprofiles.com/aqua-members-profile/)
Bad talked some BTS member on some broadcast and since she was a nugu... https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/05/hyung-eun-under-fire-for-her-comments-about-bts-v-rumored-to-be-leaving-bulldok
She didn’t talk bad about them though? 1) She said she lost interest in them, which translates to her taste in music/idols changing. Why is she being flamed for that? Even then, she stated she was joking. 2) Also, this isn’t an official TV broadcast, but some livestream done by friends, so obviously she’s going to talk informally and not say 방탄선년단-선배님. If anything, it just means she doesn’t view them from a junior’s perspective, but from a fan’s perspective. (fans just refer to BTS as bangtanseonyeondan) And frankly, “bangtanseonyeondan-sunbaenim” is a mouthful. Knets are literally so toxic - especially ARMY. They’ll find anything to be offended about and will then proceed to bash other idols for it. e.g. Nancy, Jeongyeon, etc.
she had a solo song, called I Am and recently redebuted as a solo artist with Mammy Mammy!
I feel bad for her. She at least deserved honesty. If the company felt that Coco wasn't worth the investment, while Sori is, that's understandable and their prerogative. It's a business. Just be professional about it. You're going to hurt her feelings either way, but at least then she might be able to accept it and move on, rather than feeling aggrieved.
Right? Like if you're cold enough to be a business, be a straightforward one. Honestly things like bad contracts and poor management bother me, but it's the taking advantage and lying and throwing artists under the bus that really gets to me. Especially the taking advantage cause this so easy to say "well they knew what they were getting into" quickly taking all the heat off of the person with the worst intentions. Like being dishonest with the fans whatever they're not on your payroll , but you're own artists? That's fucked up. Also she still released music and you think they didn't get a cut of that? Of course they did. It's slimey and I hate it.
Not only that, but future trainees might take into consideration how the company treats their own idols and wouldn't want to risk to put all to lose since the company would be allegedly lying.
lol I'm not surprised. Nugu agencies gonna do what nugu agencies have to do to survive. I hope Sori actually wants to do what she's currently doing and isn't pushed into this bikini/latex modeling thing by some bigshot in the company. If every upvoter on /r/kpopfap had bought her song, she'd have made hella money, but... They're not really the money spending audience.
In the VOD she mentions that Sori was done with music and wants to pursue acting but that it was not being allowed by the company.
Yeah it's not uncommon for super tiny agencies to do that. They should've been more transparent about their intentions though (even a "Sori has some traction rn so we want to focus on her comeback to capitalize on it" might've been better than just keeping Coco in the dark) because it's unfair but businesses aren't always known to be fair lolol... And yeah, I love Sori a lot and I sure hope she's not being exploited. Considering CocoSori and Real Girls Project were kinda cutesy young concepts and Sori mostly chose mature/sexy songs on MixNine, I want to hope she wanted a sexy concept and its not the company trying to use her body as a selling point that she's uncomfortable with.
its not even nugu agencies, even the bigger / mid sized agencies do it. Whenever someone wonders why some group hasn't had a comeback in over a year, the most likely reason is that they're not profitable and the company has decided that its unlikely that they ever will become so. So they decide to stop throwing money away trying. Coco's company choose to push Sori because they can't afford to push both of them, and or they decided Coco won't make it. Simple as that.
*cries over f(x)*
*cries over pristin*
You know I honestly feel like the groups that came after I.O.I were kind of doomed to fail with a huge fan base basically FORCED to split. Maybe its because I don't follow weki-meki, pristin, gugudan but they were literally more successful as I.O.I than as their current groups. Only exception I can think of is Chungha, but she's solo; and Somi is 'solo' too but she's not doing what she wants (idol), she's just basically in limbo right now only showing up on tv shows
And yet Chungha did it, it's not about being solo or a group, Chungha did it because of her music. RC was on the chart for a very very long time that it won some kind of award. Not only that, she also actually appears on TV whether it's entertainment or award. I followed the groups and unfortunately for them... The music is, not bad, but not exactly the kind that can compete on the top chart. And except for a small part of them, none gets on the tv, and when they do (as a group), some are just plain awkward on the camera. Even so i believe wjsn got some shot, they're pretty solid. The others are still clinging on IOI fanbase... And pristin looks good (they did win rookie award) but somehow got into limbo...
PRISTIN V's Kill It was, for me, the only song that delivered post-IOI. What a track, a banger of a track.
Kill it? Do you mean Get it?
Well, maybe. But it's a gamble. A giant group like IOI *also* cuts into the profits of the involved agencies if they have more than one girl group with a similar audience.
See I don't know what contracts and such everyone was in. But, I felt like I would've just bought them out of their contracts and put the term I.O.I under my company. It was such a successful run that no one disputed how popular they were. Were they the MOST popular or such? No one can really say, that's mostly bias, but you can't argue that they were immensely more successful before breakup than after. If only 2-3 of the members are slightly successful out of the entire 11 members, then there is something wrong. I honestly think Wanna One is going to go down the same path, but the only one I can see being successful from that group is Daniel Kang(sorry I haven't been up-to date in recent kpop groups/fandoms) only because I see him so much on his own. He's more successful as an entertainer than as a singer like Somi. Because right now, I know him more for his entertainment abilities than his abilities as a singer/idol. Same with Somi, I love them but I have never gone and thought, "I miss that one song Somi/Daniel slayed in". However, I do see more 'potential' with Daniel than with Somi. Somi is underage, goes to school and was under JYP trainee dungeon until she left. Daniel is 21 so there is less restrictions. It is also easier for a male to go solo with a 'sexy' concept or a 'bad boy' concept than it is for a girl group member to do a solo concept in general. Yubin was fairly popular in WG, but no matter how much she is my bias, I can't seem to back her solo concept too much( I personally think the concept of her first solo didn't fit her music style per say). HA:FELT was doing good however but MIA atm I believe.
I definitely think Nu’est can benefit from Wanna One too. As for Daniel, I hope he stays busy and doesn’t go down Somi’s path.
In Fx's case they make more money with krystal and especially Victoria doing CFs than the group would make. Victoria making money in China. Its the same thing with Miss A, who needs the group anymore when you have a CF queen like Suzy?
Didn't Miss A disband long ago? The situation would be different with f(x), there's been no official announcement about their status and SM is focusing on Red Belbet when we talk about girl groups under the agency. Alteast give them a STATION collaboration, and not just Luna collaborating but the entire group. Their sound and overall concept is hardly seen in the industry and I love it. I can't speak for international artists but if they heard 4 Walls and liked it (because the feel is quite dreamy and new age to me) then that means that SM has maybe found the right fit for the group artistically speaking. If only SM read reddit posts like Valve.
Like a year ago? Miss A was dead for quite a while b4 actually being disbanded for the reasons I mentioned. Fx is the same. And theyve been effectively replaced by RV. RV is just a lighter less extreme version of Fx's experimental sound and left field aesthetic. Just a little bit more of the snsd girl next door vibe in there to make it friendlier. So as far as SM is concerned there is no reason for Fx's continued existence when not only do some of the members make good money for the company individually but that they already have a younger group occupying the same market space.
Disbanding a year ago seems like a long time ago in the KPop industry, what with the number and frequency of groups churning out albums and singles. Wish the best for the Miss A members.
The thing is with small companies the contracts are different, if a comeback doesn't work for a nugu company the artist can try to find a part time job or do anything else until they decide to try a new comeback. Mid tier companies are much worse because of slave contracts, idols have to stay until the contract is over. This is exactly what is happening with T.S, there are no signs of comebacks and all those kids are minors, they keep making Makestar and using BAP but the money isn't going to the artists.
just be honest about it, that's all the artists ask for.
She seems fine with it from her videos.
Idols seem fine with a lot of shit in videos (and I actually thought she seemed kind of uncomfortable modeling the bikinis, but that doesn't mean she was). Pentagon, as the most recent example I can think of, also seems fine in the videos they were shooting around the time the E'Dawn stuff was at its height despite it being incredibly unlikely that all of the members were carefree and not at all stressed given that their team was being forcefully pulled apart. You have to take shit with a grain of salt, is all I'm saying. Even Amber seems "fine" in a lot of videos she's appeared in tied with other SM artists despite making it very clear that she's not fine and is, in actuality, pretty upset over what's been going on. Sori's job is to appear happy and confident, but that doesn't mean she's actually cool with the concept. On the other hand, she could be totally cool with the concept! I hope she is... I can't imagine much worse than being forced into an image and behavior that you're incredibly uncomfortable with in front of thousands of people.
She didn't seem uncomfortable to me but I haven't watched those videos fully. Anyways, what's interesting is the comments are mostly how great the outfits are. And it seems like from mostly females. Idk, to me it seems like she genuinely likes showing her outfits. But who really knows but her.
Speak for yourself, I bought...oh...wait...I mean I bought her song not because I frequent kpopfap...I mean...I didn't even know about that sub 'til now...
I understand its about the principle and her wanting to be told honestly she’s not the main focus or money maker Idk I’ve seen her drive fancy cars and wear designer clothes that seems to be hers in LA. So i don’t feel as bad for her getting shut out by her agency. I think she’s pretty well off( from her yt videos at least). But I get it. But at same time I also get her agency’s perspective. Team nobody
Coco grew up in a pretty affluent neighborhood in California. But besides that point, I don't get how she can talk about how Mole didn't help her. Mole offered her a song, and Coco didn't take it. Also, she chose to release the music video on her channel and not Mole's after Mole offered to do it. Not only that, she had multiple solo projects, and they were not as successful as "Touch". It just seems like she denied a lot of projects and helped from Mole and changing the narrative that Mole is icing her out. She openly admitted to a lot of this in her Twitch stream from a few months ago. I have a hard time finding sympathy for her in this situation, especially when she and her friends initially villainized Sori on social media.
This is the harsh reality of being in the industry. We don’t get to hear most of the internal politics because of non-disclosures in contracts. Who knows if Coco is breaching her contract right now? She has clearly stated that she’s not allowed to say anything bad about her company which she isn’t adhering to right now. No matter how angry she is at her company, it didn’t give her the right to put down Sori when she made her solo debut. Then used her friends to “defend” her and continued to put down Sori. It was a low blow. Bring awareness to the industry, not tear someone else down to build yourself up. Being an idol is hard. It’s pretty much guaranteed that if you’re not part of the big three, you won’t find much success. Even if you’re not part of the big three, you would need the right personality, look, huge amount of talent, support from your company, and the right song to cut through the over-saturation in the industry right now. I’m not sure I would trust Coco on how much her company actually spent on Sori’s debut. It’s not like they would tell Coco that they spent 2-3x as much on Sori than on her. Coco needs to remember that the company owns Sori’s youtube channel. So whatever money is made from those views are reinvested into Sori while Coco owns and operates her own youtube and twitch account.
Exactly and she didn't mention how she already was given a solo by MOLE (that flopped) before sori (touch was her first) and rejected a song they offered her so they told her she'd have to crowdfund for her second one. She also didn't mention that sori also crowdfunded for hers as well and made pretty much the same amount as sori yet made such a high quality MV. Sori has more potential and idol quality and the public likes her after mixnine and real girls project so of course the company would invest more in her because the company's goal is to make money not lose money and they've probably made quite a bit considering how well touch has performed in Korea for a nobody idol.
I honestly don’t believe her. Everything from her saying that she never knew about Sori’s solo debut to them not supporting her. Her company didn’t give her support for her YT channel or her solo comeback because she wanted complete control of it; so they allowed her to create it just without their help. Sori decided to make a channel and debut but with their help. Apparently Sugar Cake wasn’t the song her company was gonna give her, she didn’t like their song so she decided to go off on her own, her own choice. As for her not knowing they’re from a small company, how could she have not heard or seen anything? I just feel she’s just upset that Sori did better than her (solo wise as well as Mix9) even though she was the “more famous one”. She also has had 2 solo songs if I’m correct, let Sori have her well deserved moment. I remember she once made a post on IG calling herself a “starving artist” while also posting expensive things and asking for people to donate her $, if you were really that then you would flex your music not the expensive things you buy with your money while begging others for theirs. She comes off as some entitled princess who wanted to get rich and famous quickly but got her rude awakening.
Yeah, something about Coco rubs me the wrong way. She seems very fake.
She also talked shit and threw shade at sori on Instagram and as soon as people called her out, she changed the caption and had her YouTube friends (Edward, etc) defend her and also shade sori. Man her and her friends are quite rude saying sori "isn't doing that succesful" when her solo certainly did much better than Edward and cocos music. She reached a million views and got to perform on like six shows while they only have about a quarter of her views and rely on the north american market and are nobodies in Korea.
Its sad and it sucks and I feel for Coco on a personal level but I think she's pushing it with continuing to talking about this at this point and putting it into a perspective and narrative to get pity / sympathy from her viewers. I'm not faulting her for it or criticizing her for it.. But Its a small company with limited budget and limited income. They made the decision to push and promote Sori because they decided she is more marketable. Its a much better idea to fully back one artist rather than give two of them half assed promotions and material. Its just the sad reality that this is all business at the end of the day. Hell, JYPE had to pull all of WG's staff for Twice because at the time they were in tough times and understaffed so they had to go for a Hail Mary, and it worked out. Coco's company is probably like that but 50x worse. Coco is acting like its malicious on the companies part. They made their decision on who to promote and told her what they told her because the harsh reality is well.. much harsher. What would she rather hear? " we don't think you'll make it, sorry, but we can't afford to burn more money on you, if you want to do shit and collect money via kickstarter or however else you want, be our guest, but sorry to say when your contract ends, we won't be asking you to renew".
I also think Sori just has more talent point blank lol. She's a good singer and a great dancer. I remember when Cocosori dance practice videos for 'Mi Amor' came about and Coco was just... really bad - she had no rhythm, her dancing was off beat and stiff. Fans called her out and she said it was because of the high heels she was wearing and that she'd be better if she wore shorter heels, but continued dancing that way even during promotions. It always seemed to me like Sori just put more effort into being an idol. I get Coco's perspective of course, but homegirl here played the starving artist card when she drives a Porsche lol. She's an unreliable narrator at best. I also don't like how she's throwing a colleague under the bus for something that isn't in her control.
I don't get why people keep bringing up this idea that Coco is so much worse than Sori? Alot of factors play into being successful and not just dancing. I actually think Coco is a better singer and has a more unique dance style. Although she does seem to lack more precise movements, her accuracy and rhythm seem on point. Just compare the two coreography videos they released for their new songs: Coco - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFXszcwabgQ vs Sori - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrRWoFLPF1E. Coco's dance was more complicated, had flair, and Coco seemed so much more crisp/energetic than Sori. Sori was going for a sexy concept, but look at how lethargic she moved between positions. Is that really the "good singer...great dancer" people keep attributing to? I never watched this competition that both Coco and Sori attended, but it just sounds to me that the competition environment wasn't the place for Coco or Coco has vastly improved over time. As for how much money Coco has....personal money is different from buisness money. You want her to mortgage her stuff so she can price match the support given by a complete company? Obviously her sharing this stuff is not good for anyone, but it brings a transparency to how fucked this industry seems. And if Sori and the company gloss over something like this, is it any surprise that the person they fuck over (who also may give up her dream career because of this) exposes them?
I definitely agree with this. Everyone here makes it seem that if you come from a rich family or have money, you have to support yourself to stardom.
I look at these comments talking about how she pulls the starving artist card when she drives a porche, and it baffles me. Other people defend her saying it's sponsored and such, when they're missing the whole point. Why even sign a CONTRACT with a company if they give zero support? Coco said she did everything herself. She might as well go and be self employed, make her own entrepenuership considering how much work she had to put in. And I'm pretty fucking sure the company gets a cut of her profits. This has to be a breach of contract or they signed some really bullshit contract that takes advantage of her.
She breached her contract when she started talking shit and exposing the points of her contract to YouTube. As an artist, you don't talk shit about your company especially when they gave you so many opportunities but the public just didn't like you. Sori got mixnine and real girls project but no solo (she had to crowdfund for hers too) while coco got a solo, OFFERED A SECOND ONE (That she rejected so they told her she would have to crowdfund then since she rejected their song) and got to got to go on the unit but was rejected after first round of auditions. If she was any bigger, she'd be getting absolutely shat on rn by netizens for complaining 24/7. Netizens shat so hard on amber when she barely complained so I can't imagine how screwed she'd be if netizens discovered how
> She breached her contract when she started talking shit and exposing the points of her contract to YouTube. In what way? You know the contract? > As an artist, you don't talk shit about your company especially when they gave you so many opportunities but the public just didn't like you. Why don't you talk shit about your company if it's bad? I understand that would jepordize the relationship, but she's nearing the end of her contract and maybe career. And what opportunities, they made her crowdfund everything. Also, "the public don't like her", the fuck? You don't speak for everyone sorry. > Sori got mixnine and real girls project but no solo (she had to crowdfund for hers too) while coco got a solo, OFFERED A SECOND ONE (That she rejected so they told her she would have to crowdfund then since she rejected their song) and got to got to go on the unit but was rejected after first round of auditions. They doubled/quadrupled the money Sori crowdfunded, that's not crowdfunding. I honestly can't understand this part, can you retype this? > If she was any bigger, she'd be getting absolutely shat on rn by netizens for complaining 24/7. Netizens shat so hard on amber when she barely complained so I can't imagine how screwed she'd be if netizens discovered how As far as I can tell, what the fuck are you even saying? That Coco should be grateful that she is small-time and rabid retarded netizens don't attack her like you? Sori got attacked more so she deserves the support or something? How do you even judge who got attacked more without being a biased little shit?
Lol you're being a hypocrite saying I'm biased when you're obviously very biased yourself. I'm stating the facts. The public obviously didn't like her if BOTH her solos flopped domestically in Korea as well as internationally. Maybe if you looked at other sources and not just coco herself you'd notice that sori literally crowdfunded her solo debut all by herself Just like Coco with sugarcake it's just that one got more fame and traction then the other. Coco has no netizens talking about her because she is essentially a nobody compared to sori who although got some harsh criticism due to her sexy concept, she managed to be #11 on mnet countdown, had an ad playing at myeongdong, and was able to perform on many music shows and heck even got a fanchant while during Coco's performance on I think the show, the crowd was just quiet. Coco talked about the terms of her contract before on YouTube or twitch I don't remember and she broke quite a bit of it but even if she didn't, I think it's customary to realize majority of contracts basically say not to shit talk the company and your comembers no matter what.
I'm biased about what? Towards Coco? Coco mentions that Sori got double/quadruple the funds that she did. Do you think the advertising at myeongdong didn't come from the company support? I'm confused at how you think that's fair. A contract is give and take. The company takes Coco's profit money and gives her zero support. The company takes Sori's profit money, but also gives her money, coreography, dancers, videography, advertising, connections, music artists, stages, performances, and venues. You keep bringing up how Coco doesn't compare well to Sori, when that isn't the issue... That's why you're biased, you think that's relevant to the argument. When you have two employees who sign similar contracts, and you treat one better than the other, that's a breach of contract and a completely fucked up thing to do in terms of business ethics. I don't get why you keep bringing up that Sori is more "deserving", especially when this is a business. You can invest in one artist over the other, but the company clearly took all their investments FROM Coco and gave it TO Sori. That's why they lied to Coco saying they didn't have money. Clearly they had money, just not for Coco. So what does Coco even get from the contract?
I agree. The company was pretty much banking on Sori's mixnine momentum. I don't think it was particularly unfair; also given that Coco already had a solo before Sori anyway.
They shouldn't have lied to and deceived her. That definitely isn't fair. But what she doesn't seem to realize, or at least doesn't seem to be saying to her stream is that they probably did that (in a misguided attempt) to not hurt her feelings. And she definitely isn't saying the likely reasons why they decided to push Sori and leave her behind, like I stated.
Please do watch the VOD on this, Coco implied pretty strongly that they were preparing the comebacks at roughly the same time (keep in mind they were only a few weeks apart), they were just hiding that fact from her. The decision to cut her, and the group, was made before either of the comebacks. And to clarify Coco made it clear that she didn't mind that Sori was getting more attention, she only took issue with being lied to about it. In fact she said that she really wanted to continue the duo but that Sori had told her she was done with music and wanted to pursue acting instead. That is why it took her by surprise.
1:12:02 >but it's just not fair that the company is treating us differently[...] She clearly is not happy about her getting nothing and Sori getting a lot of support.
That's how it works with the idol industry lmao not everyone is gonna be succesful and she's already lucky she got a solo before sori did and even got to try her hand at the unit (but got rejected) but sori is more succesful and for a small company, they're obviously going to favor the money maker over say someone that whines and complains 24/7 and talks shit about her own company/comembers.
I'm referring to Coco's solo before this one. Wishy washy I think it was called. Touch was Sori's solo debut while Sugar Cake was already Coco's solo comeback. Wait, what decision to cut her and the group, has CocoSori officially disbanded at that time?
Officially, no, but Coco has made it extremely clear that she and the company have no intention of renewing their contract, which means the group has an expiration date.
yeah once again she comes with this narrative. I guess it's working with her small audience and they are giving her more money out of pity, so she keeps bringing it. at this point, she should just move on and accept reality, instead of trying to give a bad look on her former colleague and agency.
Streaming is a tough business now with so many people trying their hand at it. Everyone's needs something that makes them stand out. Maybe the former kpop star throwing out shade is her angle.
Is she planning to continue being an idol after her contract is done? Because all I can think about is who will want to hire her if she’s known for exposing her company all the time. I dislike her telling her audience what Sori apparently said to her. If Sori isn’t sharing something like that with the public, why are you? This whole thing is so one sided and ugly.
Nevermind coco also talked shit and threw shade at sori on ig and had Edward talk shit and say things like "sori isn't even that succesful" when her solo DEBUT reached one million views compared to cocos comeback and Edwards video that aren't even at a quarter of hers. She literally breached her contract by exposing the details of her contract as well as talk badly about her company and comember. Man if she was even a tiny bit known in Korea and not just USA, netizens would tear her to shreds for her attitude.
ok but what Coco needs to do is stop being petty towards Sori when it wasn't her fault?? Coco got a few solo songs that I know of and Sori gets a single solo and Coco was being all pressed about it lmao
I always thought Coco was the more popular of the two.
She's better known with i-fans because of her YouTube channel but Sori has a bit more presence in Korea and had trended a bit after YG was rude and ageist towards her on MixNine. She managed to hold onto that momentum for majority of the show and made it into the top 9 so it's safe to say she gained quite a few fans from that, even if ratings were pretty awful.
It's hard to tell what's happening in Japan when you don't live there, but i think Sori is fairly popular there too. She speaks japanese quite well also.
Sori is the more popular member of the two in Japan as well, yeah.
Not over at r/kpopfap.
Yeah, I'm not buying this pity act. She practically dragged Sori's name through the mud and tried to ruin her debut. Thinking back, I remember Sori being super supportive of her solo efforts. It's too bad she couldn't get that same support from her bandmate. Honestly, eat rocks Coco.
This all started with her shit talking her company and announcing she was done on an IG post when her crowdfunding campaign for her solo started. Which was in response to someone calling her out for saying she was a struggling artist when she is rich as fuck. This was a week or two before Sori’s solo was even announced. While they probably did her dirty, she isn’t innocent in this either.
lol just saying but just because you have private money or at least enough to live comfortably doesn't mean that she has to fund her promotions herself (which she actually kinda did anyways). If she is under contract with an agency it is that agencies duty to pay for a comeback and they didn't have the money/ didn't want to pay for her comeback themselves and made her do a Kickstarter. I find it weird that nobody tells the other mid-tier idols that come from rich parents that they should finance their group's comebacks? Nobody was calling for Umji to fund a GFriend comeback before they went Me Gustas To viral, did they?
Her company literally offered her a song for her solo comeback and she rejected it and wanted to do her own thing, so In response the company said ok but you'll need to fund it yourself since you rejected ours and don't want to post it on the company channel but instead on hers. Nevermind sori also had to crowdfund for her solo DEBUT as well
I am in no way saying she should have paid for it herself, it was just the hypocrisy of her trying to play the “struggling artist” card when she was not. Also, it was the mud slinging on her part that rubbed me the wrong way. Also, it wasn’t the first crowd funding campaign they did either. The last thing their company paid for was Coco’s first solo single.
> she was a struggling artist when *she is rich as fuck* Source? If that's true it seems silly to think a limited company budget would stop her from doing the things she wants if she could just use her own vast coffers of gold.
Look at any of her yt videos and she is constantly splurging on expensive things. Also read in the comments of this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/8zrwlp/coco_cocosori_starts_kickstarter_for_2nd_solo/?st=JOU8IVEA&sh=dff7cb8d
If you go to her IG she has pics of her in her Porsche, too.
Exactly
In 'a' Porsche, there's nothing indicating its actually hers, as she only ever shows up in it while shes in the US. Also not all Porsche's are reserved for millionaires. I see at least 3 Panamara nearly every time I drive around, and that is the model that she is in in those Instagram posts. That is a car that is about 85k. Or even more likely since it looks more like an SUV its the Macan, which is barely more than competing SUV models at 40k. While its certainly an expensive car it's not outside of the realm of possibility that an upper middle class family could own, for comparison the BMW 7 is about that price, but at the same time could not afford to blow 20k on a music video. I am willing to bet if it was a BMW, which is a pretty common car, people would not be so up in arms about it. More than likely that car isn't hers but is instead owned by someone in her family and she borrows it while in the US instead of renting a car. Her family seems to have money, but I doubt they are wealthy. She wouldn't still be living with her parents if that were the case. They are likely on the high-end of middle class or low end of upper. Neither of which would have the disposable income to fund a $20,000 music video.
I am in no way saying her family owning a Porsche or having money means she (and her family) should fund her own music video. I was adding to what the previous commenter said because in Coco’s IG post about the crowdfunding she tagged it as starving artist which is far from the truth.
Maybe she's just poor at handling money?
Most of that shit is either sponsored or can be gotten via connections though. Also, she's making more money via twitch streaming than she ever has under her company.
Sponsors is also a possibility, yes. As far as her twitch streaming goes, I'm fairly certain the previous poster was refering to a time before she was streaming and getting donations too.
Still though, there is plenty of idols who come from rich backgrounds and nobody is telling 'them' that they should fund their group's comebacks. It's the duty of the company and not of the Idol to find investors.
But if she is under contract with a company all the profit would go to them. You can't really do your own projects because that would mean you are creating competition for your own company. She would be paying to work.
As a fan of their group and someone who supported both their solo campaigns it's really sad to see the reality of their careers. I feel so sad for Coco because I feel she tries so hard to be positive in bad situations and I feel for Sori because I don't think she's as comfortable with the sexy route as she appears to be.
Based on her comments about what Sori had told her before they cut her off, Sori was not particularly interested in doing music anymore at all and was more keen to shifting to acting, so I think you might be right about her. Seems the company is not giving her much room. Which is understandable now that the company is completely banking of her to make any money.
People on this subreddit are all like "wow we love a queen confident about being sexy" but I don't really agree with that. People said the same thing about Stellar but then it turned out that they were being forced by their company to perform in increasingly revealing clothing and the girls felt terrible about their concept. Sori knows has a nice body and she seems positive but at the same time I doubt she would have to do such a sexy concept and dance in fishnets and lingerie if she were more known.
I never trust that females in kpop aren't being exploited for sexy concepts. I really loved Stellar but you could CLEARLY tell the sexy concepts were forced and uncomfy but then no one supported them when the concept wasn't sexy?? Even Hyuna seemed uncomfortable with the sexy concept when Cube first pushed for it but then I think she kinda went "well fuck it" and just really ran hard with it. I think SISTAR had a strong sexy concept that wasn't super forced and it was more cheerful and playful sexy than for just the male gaze but you can never really trust that the entertainment industry won't exploit women for money ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Girl groups, and specifically, their companies, are always going to rely on the male gaze and a race to the bottom in terms of sexiness to get the hits and profits. It always works, and as you mentioned, more often then not, you can see the discomfort in some female idol's faces when said concepts go too far.
I feel sorry for Sori because her on-stage outifts for that solo attempt were downright atrocious. Was her company going for a 80's fashion blind hooker look? Cause they achieved just that.
I don't get the impression Sori is being forced into the sexy concept, she appears to genuinely be comfortable with it. BUT some of her outfits, from MV to stage clothing, were really terrible. not just revealing but looking cheap and uncomfortable. in her showcase she appeared wearing just a corset, ffs.
How often do you think companies lie to idols? All the time. I think it would've been equally brutal if the company just said "We are going to put our eggs with Sori. We just don't think you have what it takes to go solo and Cocosori isn't popular enough". I feel bad, but only because she hasn't let it go. Being an A or B list idol is hard.
She is well off in terms of money and shes upset because her company prioritized the one who was more talented, theres nothing more to see here, she would be upset even if they told her that straight up. Stop trying to victimize a woman who blatantly talks about how her company is poor and doesn't make her any money then drives off in her Porsche, but is upset when they get money and don't use it on her they use it on the one who is working her ass off and isn't buying expensive cars and designer clothes.
Since she did all the work herself, Coco really didn't even need the company to have her comeback, so I get why she would be upset. Then again the company should have just been straight up, Sori got into the Mix Nine debut team and nearly debuted. Sori really did deserve something for making it that far, and considering Coco already got a solo debut you'd think she'd realize that Sori deserves a chance to be solo too. If the company had sat Coco down and told her their plans and that they couldn't support her at the moment, this issue would have been far less messy.
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I frequent her streams and this is the first shes talked about it since the last time 2 months ago as I know of. And for context this was all in response to someone asking if she still talked to Sori and then continued when someone asked about the preparations for the music video. So it wasn't like she just brought it up, and it seemed to me that she was just in a mood to vent. And really she doesn't need to do much get donations. People donate 100s randomly regardless, people donate to cute girls on twitch all the time, no sob story needed. That said she \*does\* push her single pretty much every stream but that is to be expected. This is the first I have seen her mention anything to do with the company, 99% of the stream is very light hearted. My interpretation of it was to temper expectations and inform fans not to expect her to do anything with Sori or the company. Hope this provides some context. And really I think she is past it as shes putting 100% effort into her youtube and twitch channels.
^^fact
They probably would be broke if they threw away anymore money on Coco. Still, honesty would have been nice if this is the full story we're getting.
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Another factor to consider is that Coco pretty much confirmed months ago that she was not going to renew with her company. She's the less popular member in Korea and already had her foot halfway out the door. From the company's perspective, there was no reason to spend any more money on her than they needed to. Was that unfair? Sure, I guess. But business is business, and there's rarely room for feelings. Not to mention Coco probably wouldn't have felt any better if the company straight up told her that they're not spending money on her because she's less popular, not profitable, and is leaving the company anyway. I generally like Coco, but I don't feel like the company did anything worth vilifying them over.
Yeah, I also feel like they could add Coco to this song, but I don't think Coco is ok with sexy concept or showing that much skin.
That’s so sad
Alexa, play "Touch".
Sori, play a cover of Jennie "Solo".