A shocking amount of people do not understand how limited payload capacity a half ton pickup has. And that the weight of passengers counts against that number.
Worked in lift rentals. Guy wanted me to put a scissor lift in the bed of his truck. I say "Bad Idea." He says "It's fine, it's a 3/4 ton truck." I say "That lift weighs just over 2 tons." He says "That's fine...."
People be dumb.
Wasn't even the dumbest thing I saw working there. Customer was buying an electric boom lift weighing about 13000lbs. Rolls up in a Ram1500 with a new dual axle trailer built for hauling stuff like Skid steers. Ramps weren't built for this boom to climb properly. They try and try and finally the boom bounces to the top of the deck and blows right through one of the boards. As I climb under to see if I can get a bottle jack to salvage the mess I look and see that the trailer has no brakes......I climb out and look at the customer and just ask them if they were seriously gonna tow probably a total of 15000lbs behind a Ram1500 with no trailer brakes.....
This has always confused me, the modern 3/4 ton trucks supposedly carry about 4000ibs in their beds nowadays, which is a far cry from 3/4 ton. Is there a reason we still use the 1/2 and 3/4 ton terms for them?
When the names were popularized (WW1/2 era) those capacities lined up with allowable gross vehicle weight, but as vehicles got better the capacities increased while the vehicle weights decreased. So they're mostly just marketing terms so you know which Dodge/Chevy/Ford model to compare to when shopping or comparing.
[Here's the history,](https://www.cars.com/articles/the-weight-game-understanding-pickup-classes-and-where-they-came-from-454786/) the main number that really matters is GVWR and whether you're using it for commerical purposes because that will determine your license/med card requirements.
How was the renter planning on unloading and re-loading the scissor lift from the pickup truck bed? Gonna re-use his ATV ramps attached to the end of his tailgate? Gonna hope his tailgate can hold 2 tons before sending the lift down a 45 degree ramp?
Well, the good news is he wouldn't have to worry about re-loading the scissor lift. Pretty sure both the pickup and scissor lift, and possibly the renter would be totaled in such an unloading operation.
Some 3/4 tons have a 4000lb payload, especially if he had helper leafs. The 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton nomenclature is from the 30s when that actually was their payload for many decades but hasnāt been the case also for decades.
I would not tolerate you giving me that kinda lip sonny! I been making insurance claims since you were a gleam in your daddys eye. Now total my light duty pickup or find me someone who can!
I work for an equipment rental company too. We have a policy that once the person signs all the legal paperwork and refuses delivery of a lift, we do not help load. I have seen a lot of pickups roll across our lot, and jack-knive the trailer into the truck. They then pay to have it delivered and a tow truck for their truck and trailer. People are dumb indeed.
People have different philosophies too. My truck has a traditional towing capacity of 13 000 lbs and a payload of 3800 but I feel like itās best not to push it much over 10 000, at least for a set up I own and use regularly.
My friend has the same truck as me and he feels that āthey say thatās all you can tow. If you know what youāre doingā¦ā
Even towing a pretty small light travel trailer with a Tacoma/ranger/colorado is often above capacity. Or a 1/2 ton with the family and gear in the back. Thereās nothing worse than a sketchy load or tow. I feel like those drives take years off your life and arenāt worth it.
Working within the 80th percentile of its rated capacities is a fair use case, with experience of course. Anything more you should look at a bigger vehicle if youāre doing so frequently
I can attest to how quickly a 1/2 ton reaches capacity. My 92 k1500 has 100k miles on it, and I bought it at 82k from the original owner who used it to tow quite a bit. He never did anything over the 7k capacity, but definitely north of 5k lbsā¦. The truck was in great shape inside and under the hood, but the suspension had definitely seen better days. The rear differential was also on its way to retirement. By 100k replaced all the steering components and all bushings under the car. New limited slip differential, and Also went to 2500 leafs too (plus airlift bags) because I tow with it as well.
Itās been a fantastic workhorse and especially after bags and springs.
I think the transmission might be getting tired too. idk for sure but I might pop a 4L80 in there if it calls it quits as well. But yeah all that towing definitely takes miles off a car. Towing above capacity makes it just that much worse. Not to mention safety concerns as well. (I just watched a truck roll a dump trailer full of roofing material on the highway a few weeks back.)
I used to haul a lot of mulch on my old 1/2 tons beds. Iād get 1.5 yards of the dyed stuff, sometimes wet. I did add an extra leaf to the springs and it probably didnāt weigh much more than 1200 lbs. sometimes Iād get 3 loads a day like that and I never took them much more than 10km.
I did go through a lot of parts on those trucks but nothing ever failed all at once just wear and tear over time. I actually stepped it up to a 3/4 ton pretty much just for mulch even though none of my loads would really be over capacity. Itās nice to have the flexibility to do more when I need to but Iām a big believer in having the right tool for the job.
Then you get people whining about banning big trucks and no one ever uses them for what they are intended. You can do whatever you need to with a ford rangerā¦. Personally I have a hard time people buy such an expensive to run truck if they donāt actually need it.
2020 F150 w the max tow package. Iām good to tow like 13500lbs. Oh, but payload is like 2k and change. When I hook up my 26ft TT and family gear Iām dangerously close to my limits, and the trailer is like 6500lbs.
Well in all fairness the limot of the tow capacity is important too. For instance if the limit is on the drive train you don't want to push that. If it's on the cooling system you're fine to go up to the limit and watch the engine temperature.
I woked at a hardware chain store and our parking lot sloped upward with a bit of a steeper slope to the exit to get onto the road. People would load up crazy amounts, stop at the stoplight, then not be able to get going again.
The people trying to load items that were far too large in a car were also a good source of amusement. I understand if it's something that looks like it's going to fit, but just barely. However, when you know there's no possible universe where it could fit, why even try bringing that vehicle? One memorable one was someone bought a 6x8ft fence panel. Their vehicle? A geo metro. A car that's 12x5ft. They tied it to the roof somehow. We were all surprised a stiff breeze didn't flip the whole car let alone seeing it on the highway.
Come to the RV subs. They are down right combative towards the "tow police." It's pure selfishness when they pull that rig onto public roads and endanger everyone else rather than spend the money to do things properly.
See Iāve never gotten this thinking. I do my very best not to over do it but sometimes you miscalculate or the loader grabs more than he thought. But those drives feel so bad and sketchy. Wet natural mulch coloured with soil is basically mystery weight per yard. One drive in particular when I had a smaller truck I could feel my blood pressure in my neck. That was probably just at max capacity. I stepped up a size mostly for those odd days to a 3/4 just so it will never happen again. Itās really is oversized for most of what I haul and I like it that way.
I literally could not imagine hooking up knowing the kind of drive I was in for weekend after weekend. Isnāt that supposed to be your time to relax?Thinking about my steering every single turn would take years off my life from the stress. But then again ladies like me might approach the situation totally differently. I never feel like I have anything to prove and Iām the first to point out I bill by the hour, enjoy air conditioning and can make two trips.
rv groups are the fucking worst. I remember arguing with a guy who had a 30ft+ travel trailer and an F150. I told him he was way over payload, got the model of the camper and the rough payload of the truck to prove to him that it wasn't safe. he told me he wasn't over because payload is only for what goes in the bed of the truck. I just stopped responding to him.
It's not even payload or tow capacity. Its these long but light trailers that make them think they have it on weight. Then the increased surface area catches more wind shear and shoves their lightweight aluminum grocery getter all over the road.
Thatās pretty bizarre since itās right there in the name. 1/2 ton pickup is rated to carry 1/2 a ton which means you can get by with the occasional 2000 pound load if your careful and donāt drive like you would an empty truck.
Iāve seen some pretty ridiculous requests from truck owners that have zero clue how much dirt weighs.
Or the water thatās trapped between molecules. Thatās where the real weight is at
Wow youāre really proud of that little half ton arenāt you? If youāre going to do any real work, you need a bigger truck. If you are getting a yard of mulch or a sheet of plywood on Saturday, itās fine.
Jesus, point to where the half-ton trucks hurt you, clown. You cant argue with the data. Modern half ton trucks can carry more than a ton and tow more than 10,000 lbs.
More often then not, its people who buy 3/4 tons that dont need a truck that big. I'm guessing that's you based on your faux disdain of standard pick ups.
In this case and other similar ones Iāve seen the owners insist that they put it on. Also donāt worry he didnāt leave like this his hitch digging into the ground stopped him in the first 10 ft.
I do bulk commercial landscape deliveries.
All of the aggregate/soil places I go to would never overload some clown like this, even if he demanded it.
I have hilarious stories of people refusing my $200 delivery fee, and then doing 10 trips back and forth in their Tacoma for a few yards of gravel.
One time a guy didnāt like my fee for two yards of 3/4 road crush with fines. He had the place load up his super duty, and then he didnāt bother unloading it right away. It turned to cement in his box and he paid me $1000 to shovel it out. š
Idk how the liability works, but most places I've gone to will load you up regardless. Seen a dude bottom out his civic before with soil bags strapped to his roof lmao
Depends on the nature of the yard. Homeowner yards That service commercial and homeowner, on a Saturday or much more lenient. But if it's a weekday and it's in a true commercial yard and you come in with that kind of truck no no, or if they agree to do it it's only what they will load and you cannot leave the vehicle.. strict insurance regulations
Absolutely. Now heās got 2 broken leaf springs to deal with on a Sunday. Hopefully he learned that if you are dumb as rocks, you best leave it to the professionals.
Saw this all the time in the flooring industry. It went sort of like this.
Homeowner: put that pallet in my truck.
Fork Lift Driver: that truck wonāt hold this pallet, it will be very dangerous to the truck and likely will damage something.
Homeowner: I paid 79k for that truck, it will haul anything. You donāt know what youāre talking about, put it in there.
Fork Lift Driver: sir, I do this every day and it wonāt work. Here sign this form that we arenāt responsible for any damage.
Homeowner: Iāll sign your stupid form, but I know what my truck is capable of.
Fork lift driver proceeds to load the pallet.
Homeowner: GET THAT OUT OF MY TRUCK, ITS WAY TOO HEAVY YOUāRE GONNA MESS UP MY TRUCK!!! What the hell were you thinking putting that in my truck?
As a weekend warrior (in the DIY sense), I find this mind-boggling. I haul a lot with my half ton, but it's my daily driver, and I spent a ton on it (by 2018 standards). Worst I've put it through is a half-yard of gravel on a few occasions. It may cost more, but I'm happy to have aggregate delivered for the vast majority of occasions.
It happens way more than people realize. Additionally, flooring doesnāt always seem like something that is going to weigh a metric fuckton but it does. Especially porcelain tile and Brazilian hardwoods.
I believe it. Well before I bought my first truck, my father-in-law offered to haul some porcelain tile for us in his old Ram 1500. The forklift driver started setting down what looked like a small amount before I frantically told him to abort the mission. I was sure his suspension was done for.
He felt that the real issue here was that the loader put the rock too far forward and that the shovel he was provided with was not the correct one for rock.
Honestly this yard is a hot spot for bad decisions as they do sell to the public. I usually donāt take pictures of peopleās misfortunes but when he stomped off to get a different shovel I took the opportunity. The best one was when an f-150 owner insisted they load the second yard with f gravel and it broke the frame clean in half.
Love this.
I have a half ton Sierra with a towing package. Hauling a little 1500 pound capacity utility trailer. Just explained to my 14yo son last weekend why we load rock ahead of the trailer axle, how to measure and watch the squat so you donāt get yourself in trouble, etc. The old farmer who sold us the rock (mostly cobble for around our pond) was smiling and nodding at the teaching moment.
And then you get guys like this.
Iāll be damned if my son turns out to be a guy like this.
Itās true that if you actually wanted to leave that would be the place. I suspect the loader might have put it all there to ensure he couldnāt and keep everyone safer out on the roads.
That trailer coupon even handle the stone but at least itās a rental with hopefully rental insurance. I use to use U-Haul trailers when I first started my company. They look nice but have a very low payload. Heās lucky he only broke the leaf springs and not the axle.
You *can* tow this with an F150, but you have to be mindful with loading, and you don't really have any useful truck payload when towing a loaded trailer.
I think it's galvanized steel. The aluminum trailers are usually pretty shiny. The galvy ones are dull like in the picture... The galvy coating is heavier than paint so they're always a bit heavier than the painted steel version.
Honestly most of the bigger atvs are rated to pull 1000 or more my 550 is rated at 1250 and I occasionally will pull the 2 trailers I use to haul the atvs with it. As long as you are in the right gear itās not that bad on them pushing snow does more damage
Hauled 30ft aluminum extension ladder on top of an 04 grand am from an auction once ( yes just once ). It was quite the drive home. I couldn't pass it up $5.00 buckaroos . I chuckle every time I use it.
I know my limits and learned some more. Needed 1 inch crushed stone as just had our driveway paved. Big, steep, like 300 yard long on the side of a mountain type. They scraped the reclaim and left it since I had a use for some of it.
Also needed the gravel for drainage swale on side and washout behind garage etc. I have a dump cart and lawn tractor, and lots of time. I figured 5 cubic yards of gravel would be fine and then some. Delivery fee for 5 was almost same as 10 cubic yards which was free delivery. Why not, can't have too much cheap prices stone. Dump it along the edge next to the reclaim pile.
Wife complains about why I'm not using the gravel, it's just taking forever because that is a shit ton of gravel and fill.
Kubota tractor with dozer and digger rental is 9 miles away with 10 miles free drop off. Got it for 3 days but damn that was what made this plan of doing it myself for a decent price come together.
I kept it for like a week since no one needed to rent it. Those piles spread right. Dug out swales, moved fallen trees, restacked boulders on retaining wall.
I learned how much 10 cubic yards of materials is, a lot! And also learned to have the right tools/equipment for the job and let the pros deliver it because it was fast and precise. Worth every penny.
Picked up gravel for a project yesterday. They sell by the ton so borrowed my buddyās beat up F-150 with grinding brakes. The truck is in rough shape and the guy at the front desk was like that can hold 1 ton no problem. If I put 1 ton in that truck it would have broke the truck in half. Luckily they were ok with splitting up the load.
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*What they're going to try to*
*Stuff in that trailer*
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It did in the middle of the lane.
UPDATE: I was back today and the loader told me he only made it 2 km down the road with the sod in the trailer and he left the whole lot on the side of the road. He did not come back for the gravel by end of business yesterday which was the plan.
Gonna say two to 2.5 tons of gravel on the tongue. I wouldāve loaded the trailer differently and split sod in truck bed and trailer. OR make two trips lol
From the trailer load it looks like heās gonna be getting another material for the back of trailer so obviously itās a one tripper hope heās not going far and not over railroad tracks āIāll never let go. I promise Jackā well she let go and so will Jack lol
I recently borrowed a trailer to grab some mulch from a place around the corner. The guy wisely suggested I do it in two smaller loads as the cops hang out watching the place for guys like me. Even though I was only 5-10 minutes away, taking two trips was the smart move.
I actually put a pallet of sod in my truck bed a month ago (1/2 ram). Knew damn well it was the heaviest load Iāve ever taken in the bed and it was sketchy. Made it home and will not be doing that again.
Ahh. Just the post I needed after I made 3 trips to menards for 1600lbs of pea gravel. I thought I was this guy, until I realized this guy gives no fucks about gvwr lol.
Bunnings bandit as it's called in Australia - Bunnings is hardware supply store chain
Some very overloaded vehicles go out of there or loads not suited to vehicle storm water pipe in small car boot open poking out passenger front window etc
Sadly unlike transport and agriculture industry no chain of responsibility alot be refused exiting if it was enforced
I messed up and had a pallet of sod loaded in my half ton. In my defense, I called and asked if it would be fine in a half ton and they said yes. I should have checked the weight. No damage was done, but I won't be doing that again.
The amount of āboat trailerā conversions Iāve seen leaving the landscape depot loaded to the max, spilling over the sideboards, no tarp and pulled by a compact car is awe striking.
And yet commercial trucks are the problemā¦.
I was behind a Sierra 1500 at a stop light the other day. It was a long light and I had time to count. This fucking idiot had somewhere between 45 and 50 bags of quick-Crete in the bed.
Roughly 2000 pounds in the bed, he was 100% down to the bumps
My 3/4 ton 2500 has been upgraded with 1 ton springs and air bags rated to tow 15k but never tow anything above 10k make multiple trips it's not gonna kill you but one heavy load that truck can't stop and you kill a family over being stupid is gonna be a tough question from the judge and lawyers
I out ALOT of flagstone rocks in my 95 ford ranger. I watched the whole truck go down about 5-10 inches I swear hahahah. Nothing broke though, cause itās a ford RANGER
I had to carry away 50 lb blocks in multiple trips because all I had was a hatchback. So I looked up the payload for my car, subtracted my weight, and then loaded up the rest of the blocks making sure to leave a 150 lb buffer (car is getting old).
Took a few trips but I got it done no problem. I can't understand why this is so difficult for some people.
Not this! This is a great trailer for a landscaper but you would want at least a 3/4 ton gas to haul it with sod or mulch. Probably a 1 ton gas would be a better set up for this trailer and rock or soil. Ideally a diesel 1 ton but you could make a 3/4 ton diesel work. The diesels would cut down on fuel costs in either case.
I have a gas 3/4 ton gasser but Iām on the estate gardening side of things. So I mostly deal with mulch. Sod, soil and stone are pretty rare for me like less than 10% of what I haul. Iām not skilled with a trailer so I do most of my work with the box and borrow a 14 ft steel dual axel dump trailer when I need to from a close family member who does construction.
Iām looking at buying one like this in a couple of years potentially but I would upgrade to a 1 ton gas or a 3/4 diesel if I did. Iām a bit of an outlier in the industry though, most of the properties I work on have a more traditional landscaping crew that does the lawn and Iām the lady that takes care of about an acre of gardens.
lol I bet they donāt even need a pickup, but got one because they know twice a year theyād want to haul their own sod or tow a trailer full of gravel.
The cost of a pickup vs. delivery charges is insane.
There's a lot going on here, but 2000lb of sod and a poorly loaded trailer is not a safe load for a half-ton.
With half the sod weight and the stone loaded appropriately (over the axle, slightly biased to the front) this would be okay.
In fact it's not "obvious" from the picture that this was an impossible load for a 5-6 ton trailer (~3.5ton useful payload) and an F150 with a tow package and brake controller. That could be as little as 2 ton of stone loaded at the very front of the trailer.
I'd say the skid of sod is primarily the issue here, and the trailer is loaded poorly. An f150, broadly speaking, is quite capable of towing ~8000lb (total weight of that trailer with 2 yards of stone).
I've overloaded my 1/2 once and I fully regret it. Nothing bad happened, nothing broke, but I should have told them to remove the 2nd half of the patio blocks and just make 2 trips. Never again
Now the most I do is 1/2 yard of material (gravel or soil).
Iām sure some do. I feel like I know what Iām doing and own both a home and a landscaping business. This guy however clearly is not a person who hauls or tows professionally. One star for this performance.
I was going to say I watched a guy break the leaf springs on a 1/2 ton truck at the rock / mulch place one time...the driver just kept waving at the guy driving the loader dumping gravel in his truck "come on, more, more, more - crunch".
That was me today at the lumber yard. Cedar picket unit was 1450#, truck is rated for 1700 payload so I was nearly at the limit with my body weight. I decided to take a few hundred pounds of pickets and strap them to my trailer which had some spare capacity. Glad I did since the drive was far. Rain on the drive probably added a bunch of weight too after soaking into the cedar.
Yea 1.5-2 tons for the sod alone is way too much in the bed. My f150 will tolerate a ton in it. Its not on the stops but it's close. But I'm only about 2 miles from the supply yard. Whoever loaded the trailer is an ass though. Having all that weight up front is a dick move.
This guy has been making his $1000 a month truck payment for this one day to justify to his wife why he needed a truck instead of a sedan. Just pay the $100 delivery fee.
A shocking amount of people do not understand how limited payload capacity a half ton pickup has. And that the weight of passengers counts against that number.
Worked in lift rentals. Guy wanted me to put a scissor lift in the bed of his truck. I say "Bad Idea." He says "It's fine, it's a 3/4 ton truck." I say "That lift weighs just over 2 tons." He says "That's fine...." People be dumb.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wasn't even the dumbest thing I saw working there. Customer was buying an electric boom lift weighing about 13000lbs. Rolls up in a Ram1500 with a new dual axle trailer built for hauling stuff like Skid steers. Ramps weren't built for this boom to climb properly. They try and try and finally the boom bounces to the top of the deck and blows right through one of the boards. As I climb under to see if I can get a bottle jack to salvage the mess I look and see that the trailer has no brakes......I climb out and look at the customer and just ask them if they were seriously gonna tow probably a total of 15000lbs behind a Ram1500 with no trailer brakes.....
Dude just tell him to pound sand.
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I don't see the problem. His truck was a 3 or 4 ton truck. Isn't that what that means? /s
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I never get any takers when I use this quote. I don't feel THAT old.
Pulling in the reference from 1983. Honestly impressed
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Actually today it's not what your insisting it is either. It's a naming convention and no longer a rule of thumb.
This has always confused me, the modern 3/4 ton trucks supposedly carry about 4000ibs in their beds nowadays, which is a far cry from 3/4 ton. Is there a reason we still use the 1/2 and 3/4 ton terms for them?
When the names were popularized (WW1/2 era) those capacities lined up with allowable gross vehicle weight, but as vehicles got better the capacities increased while the vehicle weights decreased. So they're mostly just marketing terms so you know which Dodge/Chevy/Ford model to compare to when shopping or comparing. [Here's the history,](https://www.cars.com/articles/the-weight-game-understanding-pickup-classes-and-where-they-came-from-454786/) the main number that really matters is GVWR and whether you're using it for commerical purposes because that will determine your license/med card requirements.
As someone who knows very little about trucks, this was a cool read.
āIs a 1 1/2 ton pickup too big?ā - things a modern truck owner would never say.
What I was gonna say, the comments above lol. The sound like my dad, he's a little slow also. Landscapers bro
Na most 3/4 tons have 2k to 3k lbs payload depending on gas vs diesel.
But like definitely more than 3/4 of a ton right
How was the renter planning on unloading and re-loading the scissor lift from the pickup truck bed? Gonna re-use his ATV ramps attached to the end of his tailgate? Gonna hope his tailgate can hold 2 tons before sending the lift down a 45 degree ramp? Well, the good news is he wouldn't have to worry about re-loading the scissor lift. Pretty sure both the pickup and scissor lift, and possibly the renter would be totaled in such an unloading operation.
Legit answer - back your truck into a shallow ditch. Its a handy trick. You'de never get back out loaded though.
1. Unstrap your load. 2. Back your truck off the cliffs of Dover. 3. When ready to re-load, strap load back onto truck. 4. Profit!
You canāt fix stupid. Or magical thinking.
Some 3/4 tons have a 4000lb payload, especially if he had helper leafs. The 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton nomenclature is from the 30s when that actually was their payload for many decades but hasnāt been the case also for decades.
I would not tolerate you giving me that kinda lip sonny! I been making insurance claims since you were a gleam in your daddys eye. Now total my light duty pickup or find me someone who can!
The 3 and the 4 in "3/4" are both bigger than 2. Math checks out.
I work for an equipment rental company too. We have a policy that once the person signs all the legal paperwork and refuses delivery of a lift, we do not help load. I have seen a lot of pickups roll across our lot, and jack-knive the trailer into the truck. They then pay to have it delivered and a tow truck for their truck and trailer. People are dumb indeed.
It's a 3/4 ton truck. 3 or 4 ton, right? /s
There should be no problem with a three quarter ton Hauling four thousand pounds Is in the bed.
People have different philosophies too. My truck has a traditional towing capacity of 13 000 lbs and a payload of 3800 but I feel like itās best not to push it much over 10 000, at least for a set up I own and use regularly. My friend has the same truck as me and he feels that āthey say thatās all you can tow. If you know what youāre doingā¦ā Even towing a pretty small light travel trailer with a Tacoma/ranger/colorado is often above capacity. Or a 1/2 ton with the family and gear in the back. Thereās nothing worse than a sketchy load or tow. I feel like those drives take years off your life and arenāt worth it.
Working within the 80th percentile of its rated capacities is a fair use case, with experience of course. Anything more you should look at a bigger vehicle if youāre doing so frequently
Thatās a good framework to keep in mind. Thanks
I can attest to how quickly a 1/2 ton reaches capacity. My 92 k1500 has 100k miles on it, and I bought it at 82k from the original owner who used it to tow quite a bit. He never did anything over the 7k capacity, but definitely north of 5k lbsā¦. The truck was in great shape inside and under the hood, but the suspension had definitely seen better days. The rear differential was also on its way to retirement. By 100k replaced all the steering components and all bushings under the car. New limited slip differential, and Also went to 2500 leafs too (plus airlift bags) because I tow with it as well. Itās been a fantastic workhorse and especially after bags and springs. I think the transmission might be getting tired too. idk for sure but I might pop a 4L80 in there if it calls it quits as well. But yeah all that towing definitely takes miles off a car. Towing above capacity makes it just that much worse. Not to mention safety concerns as well. (I just watched a truck roll a dump trailer full of roofing material on the highway a few weeks back.)
I used to haul a lot of mulch on my old 1/2 tons beds. Iād get 1.5 yards of the dyed stuff, sometimes wet. I did add an extra leaf to the springs and it probably didnāt weigh much more than 1200 lbs. sometimes Iād get 3 loads a day like that and I never took them much more than 10km. I did go through a lot of parts on those trucks but nothing ever failed all at once just wear and tear over time. I actually stepped it up to a 3/4 ton pretty much just for mulch even though none of my loads would really be over capacity. Itās nice to have the flexibility to do more when I need to but Iām a big believer in having the right tool for the job. Then you get people whining about banning big trucks and no one ever uses them for what they are intended. You can do whatever you need to with a ford rangerā¦. Personally I have a hard time people buy such an expensive to run truck if they donāt actually need it.
The world just needs more unimogs
2020 F150 w the max tow package. Iām good to tow like 13500lbs. Oh, but payload is like 2k and change. When I hook up my 26ft TT and family gear Iām dangerously close to my limits, and the trailer is like 6500lbs.
Well in all fairness the limot of the tow capacity is important too. For instance if the limit is on the drive train you don't want to push that. If it's on the cooling system you're fine to go up to the limit and watch the engine temperature.
I woked at a hardware chain store and our parking lot sloped upward with a bit of a steeper slope to the exit to get onto the road. People would load up crazy amounts, stop at the stoplight, then not be able to get going again. The people trying to load items that were far too large in a car were also a good source of amusement. I understand if it's something that looks like it's going to fit, but just barely. However, when you know there's no possible universe where it could fit, why even try bringing that vehicle? One memorable one was someone bought a 6x8ft fence panel. Their vehicle? A geo metro. A car that's 12x5ft. They tied it to the roof somehow. We were all surprised a stiff breeze didn't flip the whole car let alone seeing it on the highway.
Come to the RV subs. They are down right combative towards the "tow police." It's pure selfishness when they pull that rig onto public roads and endanger everyone else rather than spend the money to do things properly.
See Iāve never gotten this thinking. I do my very best not to over do it but sometimes you miscalculate or the loader grabs more than he thought. But those drives feel so bad and sketchy. Wet natural mulch coloured with soil is basically mystery weight per yard. One drive in particular when I had a smaller truck I could feel my blood pressure in my neck. That was probably just at max capacity. I stepped up a size mostly for those odd days to a 3/4 just so it will never happen again. Itās really is oversized for most of what I haul and I like it that way. I literally could not imagine hooking up knowing the kind of drive I was in for weekend after weekend. Isnāt that supposed to be your time to relax?Thinking about my steering every single turn would take years off my life from the stress. But then again ladies like me might approach the situation totally differently. I never feel like I have anything to prove and Iām the first to point out I bill by the hour, enjoy air conditioning and can make two trips.
rv groups are the fucking worst. I remember arguing with a guy who had a 30ft+ travel trailer and an F150. I told him he was way over payload, got the model of the camper and the rough payload of the truck to prove to him that it wasn't safe. he told me he wasn't over because payload is only for what goes in the bed of the truck. I just stopped responding to him.
It's not even payload or tow capacity. Its these long but light trailers that make them think they have it on weight. Then the increased surface area catches more wind shear and shoves their lightweight aluminum grocery getter all over the road.
The passenger weight is all that's keeping those front wheels on the pavement! /s
Thatās pretty bizarre since itās right there in the name. 1/2 ton pickup is rated to carry 1/2 a ton which means you can get by with the occasional 2000 pound load if your careful and donāt drive like you would an empty truck. Iāve seen some pretty ridiculous requests from truck owners that have zero clue how much dirt weighs. Or the water thatās trapped between molecules. Thatās where the real weight is at
They can haul basically nothing.
Modern half tons have a payload capacity of 2000lbs and can haul over 10,000 lbs. The naming convention means nothing anymore.
Wow youāre really proud of that little half ton arenāt you? If youāre going to do any real work, you need a bigger truck. If you are getting a yard of mulch or a sheet of plywood on Saturday, itās fine.
Jesus, point to where the half-ton trucks hurt you, clown. You cant argue with the data. Modern half ton trucks can carry more than a ton and tow more than 10,000 lbs. More often then not, its people who buy 3/4 tons that dont need a truck that big. I'm guessing that's you based on your faux disdain of standard pick ups.
Lol
They truly are grocery getters.
The guy loading should know better than to send this guy out like this.
In this case and other similar ones Iāve seen the owners insist that they put it on. Also donāt worry he didnāt leave like this his hitch digging into the ground stopped him in the first 10 ft.
Did he adjust the adjustable hitch? š¤
Looks like itās adjusted to max height, but it doesnāt matter - heās so sacked out the bottom of the hitch track is on the pavement.
Nah itās got at least one more notch upwards. Could also flip the receiver but thatād lower the weight capacity.
I do bulk commercial landscape deliveries. All of the aggregate/soil places I go to would never overload some clown like this, even if he demanded it. I have hilarious stories of people refusing my $200 delivery fee, and then doing 10 trips back and forth in their Tacoma for a few yards of gravel. One time a guy didnāt like my fee for two yards of 3/4 road crush with fines. He had the place load up his super duty, and then he didnāt bother unloading it right away. It turned to cement in his box and he paid me $1000 to shovel it out. š
Idk how the liability works, but most places I've gone to will load you up regardless. Seen a dude bottom out his civic before with soil bags strapped to his roof lmao
Depends on the nature of the yard. Homeowner yards That service commercial and homeowner, on a Saturday or much more lenient. But if it's a weekday and it's in a true commercial yard and you come in with that kind of truck no no, or if they agree to do it it's only what they will load and you cannot leave the vehicle.. strict insurance regulations
I feel like I had a stroke reading what you wroteā¦
Don't have a stroke, that would only complicate loading in the yard
What "trying to do too much in one weekend" looks like.
Absolutely. Now heās got 2 broken leaf springs to deal with on a Sunday. Hopefully he learned that if you are dumb as rocks, you best leave it to the professionals.
Is simply pay for delivery!
They offer delivery and itās $60. They could put the gravel and the sod on a 1 ton dump truck.
Saw this all the time in the flooring industry. It went sort of like this. Homeowner: put that pallet in my truck. Fork Lift Driver: that truck wonāt hold this pallet, it will be very dangerous to the truck and likely will damage something. Homeowner: I paid 79k for that truck, it will haul anything. You donāt know what youāre talking about, put it in there. Fork Lift Driver: sir, I do this every day and it wonāt work. Here sign this form that we arenāt responsible for any damage. Homeowner: Iāll sign your stupid form, but I know what my truck is capable of. Fork lift driver proceeds to load the pallet. Homeowner: GET THAT OUT OF MY TRUCK, ITS WAY TOO HEAVY YOUāRE GONNA MESS UP MY TRUCK!!! What the hell were you thinking putting that in my truck?
As a weekend warrior (in the DIY sense), I find this mind-boggling. I haul a lot with my half ton, but it's my daily driver, and I spent a ton on it (by 2018 standards). Worst I've put it through is a half-yard of gravel on a few occasions. It may cost more, but I'm happy to have aggregate delivered for the vast majority of occasions.
It happens way more than people realize. Additionally, flooring doesnāt always seem like something that is going to weigh a metric fuckton but it does. Especially porcelain tile and Brazilian hardwoods.
I believe it. Well before I bought my first truck, my father-in-law offered to haul some porcelain tile for us in his old Ram 1500. The forklift driver started setting down what looked like a small amount before I frantically told him to abort the mission. I was sure his suspension was done for.
I pulled up all the tile in my house, about 1200sf. Can confirm it weighed a metric fuckton
This is hilarious. How does the owner not decide to back out of this horrible idea mid way through loading š¤£
He felt that the real issue here was that the loader put the rock too far forward and that the shovel he was provided with was not the correct one for rock. Honestly this yard is a hot spot for bad decisions as they do sell to the public. I usually donāt take pictures of peopleās misfortunes but when he stomped off to get a different shovel I took the opportunity. The best one was when an f-150 owner insisted they load the second yard with f gravel and it broke the frame clean in half.
He's right, he should have absolutely put all that rock right at the very back of the trailer.
Love this. I have a half ton Sierra with a towing package. Hauling a little 1500 pound capacity utility trailer. Just explained to my 14yo son last weekend why we load rock ahead of the trailer axle, how to measure and watch the squat so you donāt get yourself in trouble, etc. The old farmer who sold us the rock (mostly cobble for around our pond) was smiling and nodding at the teaching moment. And then you get guys like this. Iāll be damned if my son turns out to be a guy like this.
Itās true that if you actually wanted to leave that would be the place. I suspect the loader might have put it all there to ensure he couldnāt and keep everyone safer out on the roads.
That trailer coupon even handle the stone but at least itās a rental with hopefully rental insurance. I use to use U-Haul trailers when I first started my company. They look nice but have a very low payload. Heās lucky he only broke the leaf springs and not the axle.
The weight of that trailer is probably coming up on his towing capacity as it is...
Thatās 3 full loads for a 1/2 ton. For my first 2 years I used one but stepped up to a 2500 long before it ever came to this.
Its looks to be aluminum so lighter than you think. I have a 16ā steel dump trailer it tips the scales at 3k.
Itās galvanized steel.
Why does he even own this trailer when he has an F-150
You *can* tow this with an F150, but you have to be mindful with loading, and you don't really have any useful truck payload when towing a loaded trailer.
Wouldnāt appropriate brake controller and weight distribution hitch help?
>Why does he even own this trailer Likey a rental
I think it's galvanized steel. The aluminum trailers are usually pretty shiny. The galvy ones are dull like in the picture... The galvy coating is heavier than paint so they're always a bit heavier than the painted steel version.
Reminds me of the guy I saw a few months ago pulling a good-sized trailer behind an ATV / 4-Wheeler.
Honestly most of the bigger atvs are rated to pull 1000 or more my 550 is rated at 1250 and I occasionally will pull the 2 trailers I use to haul the atvs with it. As long as you are in the right gear itās not that bad on them pushing snow does more damage
This is nuts to me, what a fast way to trash a toy.
People will do anything to avoid making 2 trips.
This goof didnāt even bother to take the bed cover off before he left home!
...what kind of godforsaken place sells sod *folded*?
Literally everyone here. We have 3 farms and they all come folded.
Not true one of them has sod cut and not folded. It's called firefly. Best sod around That looks like mvqs sod and has gone down hill in quality.
ā¦..and dried out
"Premium yellow sod!"
Trailer is front loaded too that doesn't help
Yeah they did him dirty but TBH better to have it fail on the lot before he got on public roads and have his brakes go out and kill someone.
Doers getting shit done
Like driving on ice. Itās not the going thatās the problem. Itās the stopping.
Hauled 30ft aluminum extension ladder on top of an 04 grand am from an auction once ( yes just once ). It was quite the drive home. I couldn't pass it up $5.00 buckaroos . I chuckle every time I use it.
Ha. I need a long ladder but when I look at it at the store I just cannot figure out how to get it home. I don't have a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am š
Please respond to this reply if you ever figure out how to get the ladder home, because I want a tall ladder too.
Rent a U-Haul.. get it delivered.
I just realized that tall fiberglass ladders are very expensive
And if I get it home where the hell do I keep it š I guess no tall ladder for me š
I know my limits and learned some more. Needed 1 inch crushed stone as just had our driveway paved. Big, steep, like 300 yard long on the side of a mountain type. They scraped the reclaim and left it since I had a use for some of it. Also needed the gravel for drainage swale on side and washout behind garage etc. I have a dump cart and lawn tractor, and lots of time. I figured 5 cubic yards of gravel would be fine and then some. Delivery fee for 5 was almost same as 10 cubic yards which was free delivery. Why not, can't have too much cheap prices stone. Dump it along the edge next to the reclaim pile. Wife complains about why I'm not using the gravel, it's just taking forever because that is a shit ton of gravel and fill. Kubota tractor with dozer and digger rental is 9 miles away with 10 miles free drop off. Got it for 3 days but damn that was what made this plan of doing it myself for a decent price come together. I kept it for like a week since no one needed to rent it. Those piles spread right. Dug out swales, moved fallen trees, restacked boulders on retaining wall. I learned how much 10 cubic yards of materials is, a lot! And also learned to have the right tools/equipment for the job and let the pros deliver it because it was fast and precise. Worth every penny.
Should've got the 2500 pickup
I don't know why anybody would buy anything less than a 3500
Wow!!!
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Picked up gravel for a project yesterday. They sell by the ton so borrowed my buddyās beat up F-150 with grinding brakes. The truck is in rough shape and the guy at the front desk was like that can hold 1 ton no problem. If I put 1 ton in that truck it would have broke the truck in half. Luckily they were ok with splitting up the load.
This is why I love my 2nd gen 3500 dually
Welcome to Nova Scotia... Lol
I can't imagine what they're going to try to stuff in that trailer
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2 yards of gravel
Well that 2 yards of gravel will be staying on the premises lol. The delivery would have been cheaper than the repair
It did in the middle of the lane. UPDATE: I was back today and the loader told me he only made it 2 km down the road with the sod in the trailer and he left the whole lot on the side of the road. He did not come back for the gravel by end of business yesterday which was the plan.
The fold-up tonneau cover really completes this
Gonna say two to 2.5 tons of gravel on the tongue. I wouldāve loaded the trailer differently and split sod in truck bed and trailer. OR make two trips lol From the trailer load it looks like heās gonna be getting another material for the back of trailer so obviously itās a one tripper hope heās not going far and not over railroad tracks āIāll never let go. I promise Jackā well she let go and so will Jack lol
I recently borrowed a trailer to grab some mulch from a place around the corner. The guy wisely suggested I do it in two smaller loads as the cops hang out watching the place for guys like me. Even though I was only 5-10 minutes away, taking two trips was the smart move.
Lmao, another victim of watching too many commercials. āBut it has so many JD Power awards!ā
Grossly overloaded
I actually put a pallet of sod in my truck bed a month ago (1/2 ram). Knew damn well it was the heaviest load Iāve ever taken in the bed and it was sketchy. Made it home and will not be doing that again.
Ahh. Just the post I needed after I made 3 trips to menards for 1600lbs of pea gravel. I thought I was this guy, until I realized this guy gives no fucks about gvwr lol.
Vurt de furk?
this looks like every owner/op landscaper I've ever met, at least it's not a fucking ford taurus pulling it
Bunnings bandit as it's called in Australia - Bunnings is hardware supply store chain Some very overloaded vehicles go out of there or loads not suited to vehicle storm water pipe in small car boot open poking out passenger front window etc Sadly unlike transport and agriculture industry no chain of responsibility alot be refused exiting if it was enforced
I messed up and had a pallet of sod loaded in my half ton. In my defense, I called and asked if it would be fine in a half ton and they said yes. I should have checked the weight. No damage was done, but I won't be doing that again.
The guy who owns this company also owns a tow truck company right next door šš
I don't uh... I don't think they'll make it.
He didnāt just with the sod after dumping the gravel
Put more stone behind the axles of the trailer /s
The amount of āboat trailerā conversions Iāve seen leaving the landscape depot loaded to the max, spilling over the sideboards, no tarp and pulled by a compact car is awe striking. And yet commercial trucks are the problemā¦.
I was behind a Sierra 1500 at a stop light the other day. It was a long light and I had time to count. This fucking idiot had somewhere between 45 and 50 bags of quick-Crete in the bed. Roughly 2000 pounds in the bed, he was 100% down to the bumps
/r/IdiotsTowingThings
My 3/4 ton 2500 has been upgraded with 1 ton springs and air bags rated to tow 15k but never tow anything above 10k make multiple trips it's not gonna kill you but one heavy load that truck can't stop and you kill a family over being stupid is gonna be a tough question from the judge and lawyers
I out ALOT of flagstone rocks in my 95 ford ranger. I watched the whole truck go down about 5-10 inches I swear hahahah. Nothing broke though, cause itās a ford RANGER
Thatās just stupid! No pics of the ā u haulā guy? Lol.
I got loaded and left before he did. I still had to wait almost 1/2 an hour for this shit show to conclude though.
What is that thing behind the truck and how does it work?
I had to carry away 50 lb blocks in multiple trips because all I had was a hatchback. So I looked up the payload for my car, subtracted my weight, and then loaded up the rest of the blocks making sure to leave a 150 lb buffer (car is getting old). Took a few trips but I got it done no problem. I can't understand why this is so difficult for some people.
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They forgot what they learned in school about weight and balance.
What's a good truck and trailer to haul landscaping stuff in?
Not this! This is a great trailer for a landscaper but you would want at least a 3/4 ton gas to haul it with sod or mulch. Probably a 1 ton gas would be a better set up for this trailer and rock or soil. Ideally a diesel 1 ton but you could make a 3/4 ton diesel work. The diesels would cut down on fuel costs in either case. I have a gas 3/4 ton gasser but Iām on the estate gardening side of things. So I mostly deal with mulch. Sod, soil and stone are pretty rare for me like less than 10% of what I haul. Iām not skilled with a trailer so I do most of my work with the box and borrow a 14 ft steel dual axel dump trailer when I need to from a close family member who does construction. Iām looking at buying one like this in a couple of years potentially but I would upgrade to a 1 ton gas or a 3/4 diesel if I did. Iām a bit of an outlier in the industry though, most of the properties I work on have a more traditional landscaping crew that does the lawn and Iām the lady that takes care of about an acre of gardens.
lol I bet they donāt even need a pickup, but got one because they know twice a year theyād want to haul their own sod or tow a trailer full of gravel. The cost of a pickup vs. delivery charges is insane.
Wow how much does 1/2 yard of sod weigh? I used to get 1/2 yard loads of soil in my 2000 Nissan pick-up with no issues
oh it was plus the trailer weight?
There's a lot going on here, but 2000lb of sod and a poorly loaded trailer is not a safe load for a half-ton. With half the sod weight and the stone loaded appropriately (over the axle, slightly biased to the front) this would be okay. In fact it's not "obvious" from the picture that this was an impossible load for a 5-6 ton trailer (~3.5ton useful payload) and an F150 with a tow package and brake controller. That could be as little as 2 ton of stone loaded at the very front of the trailer.
Itās 2 yards of stone which weighs about 4400 lbs
I'd say the skid of sod is primarily the issue here, and the trailer is loaded poorly. An f150, broadly speaking, is quite capable of towing ~8000lb (total weight of that trailer with 2 yards of stone).
That skid steer driver is a real asshole
They have these things called "goosenecks"... may be helpful
I've overloaded my 1/2 once and I fully regret it. Nothing bad happened, nothing broke, but I should have told them to remove the 2nd half of the patio blocks and just make 2 trips. Never again Now the most I do is 1/2 yard of material (gravel or soil).
Thatās exactly my limit when I had a 1/2 ton
Soooo people who know what they're doing don't own homes?
Iām sure some do. I feel like I know what Iām doing and own both a home and a landscaping business. This guy however clearly is not a person who hauls or tows professionally. One star for this performance.
Pro right there. Gonna get all kinds of rear traction!
This is why most places have delivery
This is why Iāll never buy a used truck.
On today's episode of "truck owners are the dumbest people on the planet".
I was going to say I watched a guy break the leaf springs on a 1/2 ton truck at the rock / mulch place one time...the driver just kept waving at the guy driving the loader dumping gravel in his truck "come on, more, more, more - crunch".
That was me today at the lumber yard. Cedar picket unit was 1450#, truck is rated for 1700 payload so I was nearly at the limit with my body weight. I decided to take a few hundred pounds of pickets and strap them to my trailer which had some spare capacity. Glad I did since the drive was far. Rain on the drive probably added a bunch of weight too after soaking into the cedar.
So your trailer had zero tounge weight?
it had about 1k # of 2x4, but I added another 300 or so by moving 80 pickets.
Yea 1.5-2 tons for the sod alone is way too much in the bed. My f150 will tolerate a ton in it. Its not on the stops but it's close. But I'm only about 2 miles from the supply yard. Whoever loaded the trailer is an ass though. Having all that weight up front is a dick move.
This guy has been making his $1000 a month truck payment for this one day to justify to his wife why he needed a truck instead of a sedan. Just pay the $100 delivery fee.
Itās only $60 there.