I love that the moron was at least in part convicted because of their WhatsApp messages.
Texting about “I bet they’re reading these”, “no it’s encrypted”, “haha they haven’t caught us about Yang, here is his picture, DNR isn’t ready for us, anyway who’s ready to kill more people?”
You’re never going to send an encrypted message on a free App Store download with billions of users. The government has back-doored that shit since at least 2001.
Related:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html
Text messages bragging about it to each other. Phone GPS showing they were at the scene, and victim's possessions found in their house.
When did they find victim's possessions at their house? The theory was that they stole his stuff but the missing items have never been found. So that's just not true. And GPS... yeah they were in the same woods hunting that day. They were two of five pings in the area.
And Olson searched for news of the dead hunter before police had released that information to the press. Don't play it down there, wise guy, this guy is guilty and his partner deserves some time, too.
Lol there were no possessions of the victim found at anyone's house.
Bath Twp didn't even get DNA to test Jack Koone to the DNA found on the dead body (also, Thomas Olson's DNA was not on the dead body - so how did he murder and rob the guy?). Make it make sense. Please.
Bath Twp police set this up. Woke judge wants to attack guys who like to use locker room talk amongst each other. There's no real evidence to convict someone for 22+ years. Also, if you do the math on the GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene.
Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure.
Do your job as cops and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone.
He wasn't acquitted, there were some issues with admissibility for evidence against him. The prosecution has not indicated if they are going to recharge him if and when they can resolve those.
"Prosecutors had charged another man, Robert Rodway, in connection to Yang’s death, but those charges were dropped last year."
Probably not enough evidence. I thought they even admitted all their evidence was circumstantial.
right, I'm commenting more in the line of hoping people will realize that circumstantial evidence doesn't mean "this isn't really evidence"
It means pretty much any evidence that isn't eyewitness testimony.
Eyewitnesses that are notoriously inaccurate and not-credible.
Whereas something like DNA evidence is circumstantial.
Edit: not that there was DNA evidence in this case, just as an example of something people think is incontrovertible.
Mike Manley is the defense attorney for Tom. No one close to this case or Tom think he did it. It's insane that this was even prosecuted and even crazier they got a conviction.
Apologies in advance for the length here:
There are text messages between Tom and Robert Rodway "joking" about being questioned for the investigation. For example, a pic of them hunting in the same area a year later and one of them said "two cold blooded killers returning to the scene of the crime." In my mind, that's clearly sarcasm because it's such an outlandish accusation. Read more of the texts here: [https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html](https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html)
The other "evidence" is cell phone pings that put him near the crime scene. But he also admits to being there hunting. And a can of bear spray with his DNA on it about 400 yards from the crime scene. Again... he was there hunting that day. They both had their hunting rifles with them but neither are the gun that killed Chong Yang. They've never found the murder weapon.
Also a huge red flag to me is that the original "motive" from the cops was that they killed him in order to rob him, because his hunting backpack/knife/gun were missing. Those items have never been found. Then during openings, the prosecutor throws out this entirely new theory of how Tom "probably" (the prosecutor actually said probably) shot into the air intending to scare Chong Yang because he thought it would be funny to write about "scaring a Chinaman" (again, prosecutor's words) on social media. No clue where that theory ever came from or why it's drastically different than their initial motive. Not to mention, Tom doesn't even use social media and didn't before this crime.
Tom also mailed the FBI his phone for them to get info off it, just trying to be helpful. That is the in messages to Rodway, where Tom tells him he sent the phone so that they will be able to figure out the two of them had nothing to do with it. He also said in those messages that they told him they were gonna do ballistics and that would clear him. Except they never did ballistics.
And last thing I'll mention here is that Rodway's charges were dropped essentially because his attorney proved the detectives did not do a good enough job ruling out another likely suspect, and prosecutors dropped the case. It's unclear why they didn't continue with him but did with Tom. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to recharge Rodway now that they got a conviction with Tom.
Sorry, I know that's a lot of info, but it's seriously wild to me that this led to a conviction.
ETA: I should also point out that the judge didn't allow the trial to be livestreamed, so this info is based off news articles about the trial and what we learned in the preliminary hearing. So it is possible I'm leaving something out, but if so, it wasn't big enough for it to ever be reported.
“Prosecutors also said Olson searched for news about the incident on his cellphone before police had publicly revealed that a hunter was killed”
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2024/02/22/chong-yang-murder-trial-bath-hunter-thomas-olson/72696923007/
Sorry, i did mean to include that. It's the one question mark I have and I wish I could have heard how it was addressed at trial. Knowing something before the police release it is not the same as knowing before the investigation began. He easily could have heard about it from other hunters, seen the cops there, etc.
I don't know Tom well but I do know he's not a complete idiot. Googling about a murder right after committing it and then willingly sending your phone to the FBI is some really dumb shit.
According to this morning's news, they convicted him. Sounds like they came across a text message that said "We killed the guy, but we aren't crying over it"....or something to that effect.
Yeah that one has been public for a while. Again, a tasteless joke. They were referencing some other video of a guy crying during a murder confession. And joked that he was weak cause look at us, we killed that guy and aren't crying. Obviously not great. But a dark running joke amongst friends who know they didn't kill a guy.
"Oh you see, that wasn't about that, that was about something unrelated that we'll tell you about, but that you can't prove one way or the other."
If that doesn't sound like bullshit to you, you might be biased.
That text is pretty damning. Certainly doesn't work in his favor. If I were sitting on the jury panel, that might cement my decision. Someone shot and killed the hunter, and it seems there is a decent amount of evidence (circumstantial or not) pointing the finger right at the defendant. He didn't seem to be too shocked when the jury read their findings.
Bath Twp didn't even get DNA to test Jack Koone to the DNA found on the dead body (also, Thomas Olson's DNA was not on the dead body - so how did he murder and rob the guy?). Make it make sense. Please.
Bath Twp police set this up. Woke judge wants to attack guys who like to use locker room talk amongst each other.
Jury is pretty sad to convict someone for 22+ years based on no solid evidence. A bunch of crap evidence lol. Messages, all taken out of context because you can't assume the sense of humor behind them. DNA that was NOT found on the body, but hundreds of yards away. Ballistics that don't add up to the damage found on the body vs the gun Olson had been carrying. Lack of motive. GPS location pings that don't solidify anything... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So, how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene.
Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure.
The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone.
Oh, and the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
I don't have an opinion about the case in general (I'm not informed enough), but I agree that it's not hard at all to read those messages as the kind of bad edgelord jokes a couple of guys might make.
I get that they're definitely not in great taste. If there were other evidence, then yes, the texts are damning. But I don't see anything else even close to worth convicting on. And the idea that my bad, tasteless jokes could get me convicted of murder is horrifying.
I get it too, oddly continuously joking months after.. “Haven’t caught ya,” Olson texted, adding in a follow-up message, “us.”
Also googling hunter murder article from 2004, murder of 6 couple months after..oddly fixated on hunter murders
Edit: did he not admit/come forward that he was in the area until proven to be
Wouldn't you be oddly fixated on hunter murders if a guy was killed in the woods while you were there? And the cops had questioned you about it?
And yeah, I get that the texts don't look great in a courtroom. But I sincerely can see it being a running joke between friends who know it's ridiculous to think they killed a guy.
This makes me sick to my stomach. Tom is innocent. Even the prosecutor admits the evidence was all circumstantial. It's literally distasteful texts that got him convicted.
lol you must get your feelings hurt from words.
Maybe use some objective evidence to convict someone to 22+ years.
Olson's DNA is not found on the dead body... But he shot/killed the guy, and then stole his headlamp, gun, knife, and bag...
GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene.
Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure.
The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone.
Also, the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
No you can’t, because if you can then you are a shithead for not coming forward with any information. Nobody knows where the murder weapon is. It was gone and has never been found. That’s a big part of what made a lot of this case so difficult.
I am much closer to this trial than you would ever believe, sir. There was never one mention of another 3rd person who was murdered and unresolved in relation to this case, as presented by either prosecution or defense.
The defense played a re-direction tactic for another killer that they argued was not followed up on, rather than simply working to disprove and explain the boatloads of circumstantial evidence that put this man, their client, right in the middle of it all.
Their big defense for the damning messages was a “sick joke”, but there’s way more sinister tone and feeling to them than that. They were also repeatedly referenced and brought up again between the same 2 people, including Olson. These are statements that nobody would continuously repeat for no good reason unless they felt safe. They spoke about feeling safe because they were exchanging in What’sApp and they knew it was encrypted. The only reason those messages got found in this case is because authorities snagged him, imaged his phone, and screenshot everything for evidence.
There are Google search histories that show he knew certain context about the case before authorities released anything publicly. Literally searching specific details about it that nobody would’ve known by the very next morning while authorities were still investigating the scene.
Rodway, his friend, seemed to definitely be in on it as well based solely on the text message exchanges, but there was nothing concretely linking him there in a way that he could’ve been the one to pull the trigger like there was Olson. That’s my guess how Rodway got off any charges. I still think he’s guilty of at least being an accomplice, but what’s done is done.
Lol so can you explain how Olson's DNA is not found on the dead body? But he shot, killed, the guy, and then stole his headlamp, gun, knife, and bag... I'll wait...
you also didn't mention the GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene.
Use all the subjective evidence and twist it because someone hurt your feelings for having dark humor and you can punish them. Soft. Find something objective that makes sense.
Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure.
The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone.
Also, the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
Lmao you're coping if you think someone checks off the multiplier of "circumstantial" evidence for it only to be circumstantial. You have better odds of hitting the jackpot than to have done all the above.
As I said elsewhere in this thread, I do wish I knew what was said about this at trial (since it wasn't available to watch). That being said, the family found him and it very well spread through the hunting community long before it became public knowledge. He was there that day. It's quite possible he saw the police or heard from people what happened and wanted to know more.
He'd be a complete idiot to murder someone and then immediately start googling it. And then send that phone voluntarily to the FBI.
But Tom is quite literally not an idiot. There's this view of him from the trial of some redneck racist and that's totally not who he is. I can confidently say he would not be dumb enough to Google that shit and then willingly send his phone to the FBI if he thought he had anything to hide.
If you only had an idea what locker room talk is... maybe some dark humor...
Or are you one of those woke people that get their feelings hurt from words?
Find some objective evidence at the scene. Using subjective messages between friends to convict someone to 22+ years is utterly insane... the whole thing was a sham from the cops to the woke judge and manipulated jury.
You are the one that appears upset by calling someone a redneck racist. Literally just words lol. I don't really have any stance on their guilt, I wasn't a part of the trial, I'm just judging that they appear to be a shitty person.
Lol I don’t care what you call someone. But I like to use logic and express intelligence. If you had any, you’d be able to recognize that their conversation was humorous. Kind of like those movies that are so stupid they’re funny.
Being convicted for a crime because you have a different taste in humor (in private) than others is pretty insane. Use some logic along with evidence (or lack thereof) and maintain some credibility for the justice system
I love that the moron was at least in part convicted because of their WhatsApp messages. Texting about “I bet they’re reading these”, “no it’s encrypted”, “haha they haven’t caught us about Yang, here is his picture, DNR isn’t ready for us, anyway who’s ready to kill more people?” You’re never going to send an encrypted message on a free App Store download with billions of users. The government has back-doored that shit since at least 2001.
Wow. Those texts are disgusting.
Wow a lot of information in this article. Good to get closure after all these years. /s
Related: https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html Text messages bragging about it to each other. Phone GPS showing they were at the scene, and victim's possessions found in their house.
Oh these guys definitely did it.
Wow what the fuck? So these guys were just psychos out killing for fun??
When did they find victim's possessions at their house? The theory was that they stole his stuff but the missing items have never been found. So that's just not true. And GPS... yeah they were in the same woods hunting that day. They were two of five pings in the area.
And Olson searched for news of the dead hunter before police had released that information to the press. Don't play it down there, wise guy, this guy is guilty and his partner deserves some time, too.
Lol there were no possessions of the victim found at anyone's house. Bath Twp didn't even get DNA to test Jack Koone to the DNA found on the dead body (also, Thomas Olson's DNA was not on the dead body - so how did he murder and rob the guy?). Make it make sense. Please. Bath Twp police set this up. Woke judge wants to attack guys who like to use locker room talk amongst each other. There's no real evidence to convict someone for 22+ years. Also, if you do the math on the GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene. Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure. Do your job as cops and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone.
Did I hear that one of the two men involved was aquitted? If so, how so?
He wasn't acquitted, there were some issues with admissibility for evidence against him. The prosecution has not indicated if they are going to recharge him if and when they can resolve those.
"Prosecutors had charged another man, Robert Rodway, in connection to Yang’s death, but those charges were dropped last year." Probably not enough evidence. I thought they even admitted all their evidence was circumstantial.
> I thought they even admitted all their evidence was circumstantial. this doesn't mean anything, most evidence is circumstantial.
I know. What I was saying is that since the one guys case was already circumstantial, they may not have had enough to charge the other guy.
right, I'm commenting more in the line of hoping people will realize that circumstantial evidence doesn't mean "this isn't really evidence" It means pretty much any evidence that isn't eyewitness testimony. Eyewitnesses that are notoriously inaccurate and not-credible. Whereas something like DNA evidence is circumstantial. Edit: not that there was DNA evidence in this case, just as an example of something people think is incontrovertible.
Who is representing the man currently charged?
Mike Manley is the defense attorney for Tom. No one close to this case or Tom think he did it. It's insane that this was even prosecuted and even crazier they got a conviction.
What do the prosecutors say that have for evidence?
Apologies in advance for the length here: There are text messages between Tom and Robert Rodway "joking" about being questioned for the investigation. For example, a pic of them hunting in the same area a year later and one of them said "two cold blooded killers returning to the scene of the crime." In my mind, that's clearly sarcasm because it's such an outlandish accusation. Read more of the texts here: [https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html](https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/10/text-messages-about-killing-hunter-in-2018-were-just-stupid-jokes-defense-claims.html) The other "evidence" is cell phone pings that put him near the crime scene. But he also admits to being there hunting. And a can of bear spray with his DNA on it about 400 yards from the crime scene. Again... he was there hunting that day. They both had their hunting rifles with them but neither are the gun that killed Chong Yang. They've never found the murder weapon. Also a huge red flag to me is that the original "motive" from the cops was that they killed him in order to rob him, because his hunting backpack/knife/gun were missing. Those items have never been found. Then during openings, the prosecutor throws out this entirely new theory of how Tom "probably" (the prosecutor actually said probably) shot into the air intending to scare Chong Yang because he thought it would be funny to write about "scaring a Chinaman" (again, prosecutor's words) on social media. No clue where that theory ever came from or why it's drastically different than their initial motive. Not to mention, Tom doesn't even use social media and didn't before this crime. Tom also mailed the FBI his phone for them to get info off it, just trying to be helpful. That is the in messages to Rodway, where Tom tells him he sent the phone so that they will be able to figure out the two of them had nothing to do with it. He also said in those messages that they told him they were gonna do ballistics and that would clear him. Except they never did ballistics. And last thing I'll mention here is that Rodway's charges were dropped essentially because his attorney proved the detectives did not do a good enough job ruling out another likely suspect, and prosecutors dropped the case. It's unclear why they didn't continue with him but did with Tom. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to recharge Rodway now that they got a conviction with Tom. Sorry, I know that's a lot of info, but it's seriously wild to me that this led to a conviction. ETA: I should also point out that the judge didn't allow the trial to be livestreamed, so this info is based off news articles about the trial and what we learned in the preliminary hearing. So it is possible I'm leaving something out, but if so, it wasn't big enough for it to ever be reported.
“Prosecutors also said Olson searched for news about the incident on his cellphone before police had publicly revealed that a hunter was killed” https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2024/02/22/chong-yang-murder-trial-bath-hunter-thomas-olson/72696923007/
Sorry, i did mean to include that. It's the one question mark I have and I wish I could have heard how it was addressed at trial. Knowing something before the police release it is not the same as knowing before the investigation began. He easily could have heard about it from other hunters, seen the cops there, etc. I don't know Tom well but I do know he's not a complete idiot. Googling about a murder right after committing it and then willingly sending your phone to the FBI is some really dumb shit.
According to this morning's news, they convicted him. Sounds like they came across a text message that said "We killed the guy, but we aren't crying over it"....or something to that effect.
Yeah that one has been public for a while. Again, a tasteless joke. They were referencing some other video of a guy crying during a murder confession. And joked that he was weak cause look at us, we killed that guy and aren't crying. Obviously not great. But a dark running joke amongst friends who know they didn't kill a guy.
"Oh you see, that wasn't about that, that was about something unrelated that we'll tell you about, but that you can't prove one way or the other." If that doesn't sound like bullshit to you, you might be biased.
That text is pretty damning. Certainly doesn't work in his favor. If I were sitting on the jury panel, that might cement my decision. Someone shot and killed the hunter, and it seems there is a decent amount of evidence (circumstantial or not) pointing the finger right at the defendant. He didn't seem to be too shocked when the jury read their findings.
Bath Twp didn't even get DNA to test Jack Koone to the DNA found on the dead body (also, Thomas Olson's DNA was not on the dead body - so how did he murder and rob the guy?). Make it make sense. Please. Bath Twp police set this up. Woke judge wants to attack guys who like to use locker room talk amongst each other. Jury is pretty sad to convict someone for 22+ years based on no solid evidence. A bunch of crap evidence lol. Messages, all taken out of context because you can't assume the sense of humor behind them. DNA that was NOT found on the body, but hundreds of yards away. Ballistics that don't add up to the damage found on the body vs the gun Olson had been carrying. Lack of motive. GPS location pings that don't solidify anything... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So, how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene. Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure. The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone. Oh, and the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
I don't have an opinion about the case in general (I'm not informed enough), but I agree that it's not hard at all to read those messages as the kind of bad edgelord jokes a couple of guys might make.
I get that they're definitely not in great taste. If there were other evidence, then yes, the texts are damning. But I don't see anything else even close to worth convicting on. And the idea that my bad, tasteless jokes could get me convicted of murder is horrifying.
I get it too, oddly continuously joking months after.. “Haven’t caught ya,” Olson texted, adding in a follow-up message, “us.” Also googling hunter murder article from 2004, murder of 6 couple months after..oddly fixated on hunter murders Edit: did he not admit/come forward that he was in the area until proven to be
Wouldn't you be oddly fixated on hunter murders if a guy was killed in the woods while you were there? And the cops had questioned you about it? And yeah, I get that the texts don't look great in a courtroom. But I sincerely can see it being a running joke between friends who know it's ridiculous to think they killed a guy.
Always got a pocket full of buckshot and a 9mm on my leg out there after this shit
This makes me sick to my stomach. Tom is innocent. Even the prosecutor admits the evidence was all circumstantial. It's literally distasteful texts that got him convicted.
Well he was there
You mean in the woods? Where people hunt? Where he said he was hunting that day? Yeah....
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Out of all those hunters how many of them joked about killing a dude? IMO play stupid games win stupid prizes. Like life in prison.
lol you must get your feelings hurt from words. Maybe use some objective evidence to convict someone to 22+ years. Olson's DNA is not found on the dead body... But he shot/killed the guy, and then stole his headlamp, gun, knife, and bag... GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene. Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure. The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone. Also, the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
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No you can’t, because if you can then you are a shithead for not coming forward with any information. Nobody knows where the murder weapon is. It was gone and has never been found. That’s a big part of what made a lot of this case so difficult.
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I am much closer to this trial than you would ever believe, sir. There was never one mention of another 3rd person who was murdered and unresolved in relation to this case, as presented by either prosecution or defense. The defense played a re-direction tactic for another killer that they argued was not followed up on, rather than simply working to disprove and explain the boatloads of circumstantial evidence that put this man, their client, right in the middle of it all. Their big defense for the damning messages was a “sick joke”, but there’s way more sinister tone and feeling to them than that. They were also repeatedly referenced and brought up again between the same 2 people, including Olson. These are statements that nobody would continuously repeat for no good reason unless they felt safe. They spoke about feeling safe because they were exchanging in What’sApp and they knew it was encrypted. The only reason those messages got found in this case is because authorities snagged him, imaged his phone, and screenshot everything for evidence. There are Google search histories that show he knew certain context about the case before authorities released anything publicly. Literally searching specific details about it that nobody would’ve known by the very next morning while authorities were still investigating the scene. Rodway, his friend, seemed to definitely be in on it as well based solely on the text message exchanges, but there was nothing concretely linking him there in a way that he could’ve been the one to pull the trigger like there was Olson. That’s my guess how Rodway got off any charges. I still think he’s guilty of at least being an accomplice, but what’s done is done.
Thank you for the clarification.
Lol so can you explain how Olson's DNA is not found on the dead body? But he shot, killed, the guy, and then stole his headlamp, gun, knife, and bag... I'll wait... you also didn't mention the GPS location pings... you can't travel from the crime scene to where he was minutes later. Not physically possible. So how reliable are those pings? He had a huge ring where the scene was on the outer edge... the rest were not near the scene. Use all the subjective evidence and twist it because someone hurt your feelings for having dark humor and you can punish them. Soft. Find something objective that makes sense. Everyone is so hungry to convict someone. But, it doesn't do any good setting up someone to take the fall so the family gets closure. The cops need to do their job and stop being afraid of some local guy with a publicly known prejudice against hmong's because his father was killed in 'Nam - named Jack Koone. Also, the lead investigating cop got into a drunk bar fight around this case. Impressive.
Lmao you're coping if you think someone checks off the multiplier of "circumstantial" evidence for it only to be circumstantial. You have better odds of hitting the jackpot than to have done all the above.
“Prosecutors also said Olson searched for news about the incident on his cellphone before police had publicly revealed that a hunter was killed.”
As I said elsewhere in this thread, I do wish I knew what was said about this at trial (since it wasn't available to watch). That being said, the family found him and it very well spread through the hunting community long before it became public knowledge. He was there that day. It's quite possible he saw the police or heard from people what happened and wanted to know more. He'd be a complete idiot to murder someone and then immediately start googling it. And then send that phone voluntarily to the FBI.
That's the thing, he is an idiot lmao. Most criminals incriminate themselves if you haven't noticed.
But Tom is quite literally not an idiot. There's this view of him from the trial of some redneck racist and that's totally not who he is. I can confidently say he would not be dumb enough to Google that shit and then willingly send his phone to the FBI if he thought he had anything to hide.
Looking at the text conversations he had, redneck racist seems like a rather generous way to portray him.
If you only had an idea what locker room talk is... maybe some dark humor... Or are you one of those woke people that get their feelings hurt from words? Find some objective evidence at the scene. Using subjective messages between friends to convict someone to 22+ years is utterly insane... the whole thing was a sham from the cops to the woke judge and manipulated jury.
You are the one that appears upset by calling someone a redneck racist. Literally just words lol. I don't really have any stance on their guilt, I wasn't a part of the trial, I'm just judging that they appear to be a shitty person.
Lol I don’t care what you call someone. But I like to use logic and express intelligence. If you had any, you’d be able to recognize that their conversation was humorous. Kind of like those movies that are so stupid they’re funny. Being convicted for a crime because you have a different taste in humor (in private) than others is pretty insane. Use some logic along with evidence (or lack thereof) and maintain some credibility for the justice system
The Google searches didn’t come from his phone that was sent. It came from his Google account history directly from a Google inquiry about him.