My head threatens to asplode with the temerity and idiocy of this request.
"I can't be trusted as a lawyer. Let me keep being a lawyer since I need money to pay for all the shit I did as an untrustworthy lawyer."
Essentially, that’s what now happens. The judge’s recommendation of disbarment goes to the CA Supreme Court. Only that court can actually disbar him. This is about as cut and dry as it gets, so I expect they will concur with the judge’s recommendation. In the meantime, absent either the judge or the Supreme Court’s actions, he’s suspended.
Exactly.
"~~I'm sorry~~ I violated the rules of my profession to the enormous detriment of the public... but I really need a job."
I hear Wal Mart is hiring.
Not only that, he’s even shitty as an unethical attorney if he’s already broke, unless I missed where he lost a civil suit or paid huge penalties or restitution somewhere,
>“[I]f the Order placing Dr. Eastman on inactive enrollment were not stayed, **Dr. Eastman would lose his ability to make a living as an attorney,**” the Wednesday stay motion argues.
Right, that's what it means when you are disbarred.
>“Dr. Eastman has built his professional reputation upon his representation of clients in constitutional law matters and many clients and counsel seek him out for his expertise in these matters,” the stay motion reads. “If the Order placing Dr. Eastman on inactive enrollment were not stayed, those clients would be harmed by depriving them of the breadth and depth of Dr. Eastman’s knowledge and prowess as a zealous advocate.”
The more important part they forget is his destroying his own professional reputation back to nothing.
See Dr. Husel, Mount Carmel Ohio who had his license suspended in record time.
If only he had Eastman for a lawyer, he could have continued to practice while awaiting his trial!
Also Dr. Duntsch, a neurosurgeon who killed and permanently injured his patients. He got suspended in Texas after way too long a time and then wanted to get re-licensed in Colorado. He was sentenced to jail in Dallas before that could ever happen though.
It's a whole, unbelievable story about hospitals and so on not wanting to admit that a guy working for them was at best highly incompetent (doctors that worked with him at one point even questioned if he was a surgeon at all) and said hospitals then not making sure he doesn't go work somewhere else because of all the egg they'd have on their face etc.
[https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/william-husel-still-faces-dr-death-stigma-acquitted-of-murder-doctor-hospital-mount-carmel-west-trinity-health-patients-medicine](https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/william-husel-still-faces-dr-death-stigma-acquitted-of-murder-doctor-hospital-mount-carmel-west-trinity-health-patients-medicine)
I was upset that the jury acquitted him on all counts. Dude repeatedly and deliberately worked around systems designed to prevent excessive dosing. He instructed nurses to do the same. Those systems are designed to prevent medication errors and drug diversion.
Those same systems track everything. His defense wasn't "I didn't do it." because he clearly did do it. His defense was "I had good reasons for what I did.".
Being a medical provider is not about being loved or being popular.
*Being a medical provider is not about being loved or being popular.*
Slight correction. Yeah, it actually does. Are you familiar with [Press Gainey scores?](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33565840/)
Those are useful - up to a point. It doesn't measure if a patient gets the proper care, only if a patient likes the care they received.
There are ways to help patients understand the process, which is always useful. Some patients aren't going to be satisfied because what they want isn't available. In pregnancy groups, you can find commenters saying "Your provider should do what you tell them. You pay them.".
That's rarely true. Insurance companies do most of the paying. You are paying a provider to share their expert opinion and offer appropriate options, not to do whatever a patient wants.
These patients get upset when they find that if they refuse a routine screening - that ends up in their chart. If they refuse interventions that are meant to prevent bad outcomes, they get even more upset when they are given informed consent and are asked to sign a document. Some people want more than freedom.
They want freedom from consequences.
Dr Husel and his "Everyone loved me. Nurses liked him. Patient families liked him. " as if that made what he did okay. It didn't. It was partly the reason why a jury didn't find him guilty. It won't get his license back.
The Husel saga is really interesting because it is about conflicting narratives. What makes a good doctor? What makes a doctor trustworthy? What makes a doctor ethical? Exactly how much damage can a provider do before they are stopped?
Good Lord, preaching to the choir sister. It's like asking a 4th grader if they liked their teacher rather than if they learned something. But payers have linked that measure to "quality" (and reimbursement ) and so doctors and nurses are held to some unrealistic likability standard. On a scale of one to ten, how did you enjoy your heart attack? You, there, in chronic pain and chronically depressed, did your nurse adequately answer all of your questions?
There are actually studies that show patient satisfaction is inversely correlated with positive clinical outcomes. Or... the more you like your doctor, probably the shittier the care you're getting.
I didn't mean to preach!
You know what I mean.
It's like expecting teachers and schools to meet every student's needs. Unrealistic.
Side note - private investors tried to set up a couple of birth centers because they thought that out of hospital birth was a market waiting to exploited. They closed the centers after a few years. In their report, they noted that their patients needed social services as well as mental health counseling. That was the first time I'd ever seen anyone state it, but I long suspected it.
I’ve seen that question raised in cases where a disbarred attorney actually wrote briefs for another attorney, and the other attorney actually signed them. The question is writing a brief that another attorney is going to take responsibility for practicing law? Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer.
Rich white conservatives: sure, sure there should be "consequences" for my actions, but this could pose an actual impact on my life and even make me adjust my behavior!
It's outrageous.
I should be mildly inconvenienced at worst. You're going to make me live in debt and work an 'unskilled' job like some kinda common rabble.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Eastman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eastman)
Yet another guy with a long and storied academic background and professional career who threw it all away for............Donald John Trump.
I. Just. Don't. Get. It.
His career doesn't seem especially storied to me. U Chicago Law Review is impressive. Clarence Thomas clerkship? That seems more a mark of shame. He seems a standard, mild-mannered, racist law professor at the nation's 125th best university. (Remember when he claimed that Kamala Harris wasn't *really* a natural-born citizen even though she was born in the US?)
Do all cases argue such crazy positions or is this just occurring because judges continue to refuse to uphold their oath and sanction these bad faith lawyers?
I started out as a public defender in a really sketchy city on the East Coast. PLENTY of suspended (and maybe even disbarred) lawyers kept right on making court appearances and pleading out cases. No one gave a shit.
Eastman can do that. He can lurk in the halls outside the bail courtroom, looking for $150 clients with the alcoholics and scumbags wearing mismatched suits. It’s what he deserves.
It's curious how the same people who have no trouble throwing someone's life away because they have a few joints demand mercy when the justice system is pointed at them. You may also notice that it's these very same people who are complaining about prison conditions for the jailed insurrectionists as though they are the only ones receiving shitty food and non-existent medical care.
I have no problem improving prison conditions to be more humane as long as we improve conditions for everyone, not just some white people who never thought they'd be the ones in prison.
This is just offensive. Yes, I did bad things as a lawyer that merit me being disbarred and no longer permitted to be a lawyer. Please let me ignore your ruling and continue to be a lawyer, making large amounts of money, so I can pay the legal fees my own stupidity bought down on me.
This is the consequence of doing something this wrong. He’s damned lucky he’s not in jail. Sorry that’s there are repercussions to your actions! Now go flip burgers at McDonalds or sell some of your assets or something. You’re done as a lawyer because of things you personally chose to do.
No, he cannot. A lawyer who wants to take a case in another state has to first be admitted to practice in that state for that specific case. That’s called a **Pro Hoc Vice*” admission. In order to be admitted *Pro Hoc Vice* in another state, the other state’s bar has to approve your application. One of the requirements is that you furnish a Certificate in Good Standing from your home state bar. Once you’re disbarred, you can’t get that certificate; rather, your home state bar will notify the new state that you’re not in good standing, but you’re disbarred. Effectively, once you’re disbarred in you own state, you’re disbarred in all states.
Walmarts hiring, John. Perhaps you can participate in the real economy now that you've been kicked out of the special one designed just for people like you used to be
I’m sure there are fast food places looking for help. There are places that pay at least $7.25/hour and he can budget and “work” his fees off. Check the job service offices, just like others who lose their jobs due to their own misconduct at work.
Eastman “would lose his ability to make a living as an attorney,” the Wednesday stay motion argues. Well, duh. Disbarment will do that to a lawyer. But - he wouldn’t have those legal bills if he hadn’t done the crap he got disbarred for. Plus, disbarment protects clients from being represented by a dishonest lawyer.
My head threatens to asplode with the temerity and idiocy of this request. "I can't be trusted as a lawyer. Let me keep being a lawyer since I need money to pay for all the shit I did as an untrustworthy lawyer."
It's OK if his Business Card reads "John Eastman, Disbarred Untrustworthy Attorney At Law".
Disbarred? Untrustworthy? Attorney at Law!
John Eastman, criminal criminal lawyer
Yes, that's a nice business card, almost a get out of jail free one. /s
Yet with the way our justice system works, I would not be surprised if they allow it.
I don't understand why he doesn't just appeal. His disbarment up to the Supreme Court.
Essentially, that’s what now happens. The judge’s recommendation of disbarment goes to the CA Supreme Court. Only that court can actually disbar him. This is about as cut and dry as it gets, so I expect they will concur with the judge’s recommendation. In the meantime, absent either the judge or the Supreme Court’s actions, he’s suspended.
FAFO
Exactly. "~~I'm sorry~~ I violated the rules of my profession to the enormous detriment of the public... but I really need a job." I hear Wal Mart is hiring.
Would you like fries and a drink with that?
The MAGA way, brah!
Not only that, he’s even shitty as an unethical attorney if he’s already broke, unless I missed where he lost a civil suit or paid huge penalties or restitution somewhere,
Well, see if you think what you think is right. Then what you think precludes you from the law.
Nice
They're just trying to silence him for having a different opinion! ^^^/s
>“[I]f the Order placing Dr. Eastman on inactive enrollment were not stayed, **Dr. Eastman would lose his ability to make a living as an attorney,**” the Wednesday stay motion argues. Right, that's what it means when you are disbarred. >“Dr. Eastman has built his professional reputation upon his representation of clients in constitutional law matters and many clients and counsel seek him out for his expertise in these matters,” the stay motion reads. “If the Order placing Dr. Eastman on inactive enrollment were not stayed, those clients would be harmed by depriving them of the breadth and depth of Dr. Eastman’s knowledge and prowess as a zealous advocate.” The more important part they forget is his destroying his own professional reputation back to nothing.
>Right, that's what it means when you are disbarred Lmao it's almost as if he is a Really Bad Lawyer
No no, remember, he's a ScHoLAr.
I thought this inactive enrollment he got slapped with was different than being disbarred.
He was recommended for disbarment, but the CA Supreme Court needs to sign off on whatever professional discipline he receives.
So you are saying there's a chance...
He got the full boot, laces and straps included. Granted the CA Supreme Court needs to weigh in still, but yeah, disbarred.
Seems like he can make plenty as a non-attorney legal consultant.
I sure hope so. Cali AG would love to lay some UPL charges.
If a physician said it… “Let me keep killing patients while I raise money to pay legal fees for killing patients.” Get a new job.
See Dr. Husel, Mount Carmel Ohio who had his license suspended in record time. If only he had Eastman for a lawyer, he could have continued to practice while awaiting his trial!
Also Dr. Duntsch, a neurosurgeon who killed and permanently injured his patients. He got suspended in Texas after way too long a time and then wanted to get re-licensed in Colorado. He was sentenced to jail in Dallas before that could ever happen though. It's a whole, unbelievable story about hospitals and so on not wanting to admit that a guy working for them was at best highly incompetent (doctors that worked with him at one point even questioned if he was a surgeon at all) and said hospitals then not making sure he doesn't go work somewhere else because of all the egg they'd have on their face etc.
[https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/william-husel-still-faces-dr-death-stigma-acquitted-of-murder-doctor-hospital-mount-carmel-west-trinity-health-patients-medicine](https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/william-husel-still-faces-dr-death-stigma-acquitted-of-murder-doctor-hospital-mount-carmel-west-trinity-health-patients-medicine) I was upset that the jury acquitted him on all counts. Dude repeatedly and deliberately worked around systems designed to prevent excessive dosing. He instructed nurses to do the same. Those systems are designed to prevent medication errors and drug diversion. Those same systems track everything. His defense wasn't "I didn't do it." because he clearly did do it. His defense was "I had good reasons for what I did.". Being a medical provider is not about being loved or being popular.
*Being a medical provider is not about being loved or being popular.* Slight correction. Yeah, it actually does. Are you familiar with [Press Gainey scores?](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33565840/)
Those are useful - up to a point. It doesn't measure if a patient gets the proper care, only if a patient likes the care they received. There are ways to help patients understand the process, which is always useful. Some patients aren't going to be satisfied because what they want isn't available. In pregnancy groups, you can find commenters saying "Your provider should do what you tell them. You pay them.". That's rarely true. Insurance companies do most of the paying. You are paying a provider to share their expert opinion and offer appropriate options, not to do whatever a patient wants. These patients get upset when they find that if they refuse a routine screening - that ends up in their chart. If they refuse interventions that are meant to prevent bad outcomes, they get even more upset when they are given informed consent and are asked to sign a document. Some people want more than freedom. They want freedom from consequences. Dr Husel and his "Everyone loved me. Nurses liked him. Patient families liked him. " as if that made what he did okay. It didn't. It was partly the reason why a jury didn't find him guilty. It won't get his license back. The Husel saga is really interesting because it is about conflicting narratives. What makes a good doctor? What makes a doctor trustworthy? What makes a doctor ethical? Exactly how much damage can a provider do before they are stopped?
Good Lord, preaching to the choir sister. It's like asking a 4th grader if they liked their teacher rather than if they learned something. But payers have linked that measure to "quality" (and reimbursement ) and so doctors and nurses are held to some unrealistic likability standard. On a scale of one to ten, how did you enjoy your heart attack? You, there, in chronic pain and chronically depressed, did your nurse adequately answer all of your questions? There are actually studies that show patient satisfaction is inversely correlated with positive clinical outcomes. Or... the more you like your doctor, probably the shittier the care you're getting.
I didn't mean to preach! You know what I mean. It's like expecting teachers and schools to meet every student's needs. Unrealistic. Side note - private investors tried to set up a couple of birth centers because they thought that out of hospital birth was a market waiting to exploited. They closed the centers after a few years. In their report, they noted that their patients needed social services as well as mental health counseling. That was the first time I'd ever seen anyone state it, but I long suspected it.
"Everything Trump touches dies"
I wonder if that means his dick has fallen off yet
By public accounts, that happened years ago, but he's so toxic only the most pathetic of mushrooms could grow in its place.
No. No. His dick is fine. Toadstools 🍄 live on decaying matter.
Painfully.
He can still teach. I’m sure Liberty U will hire him.
Or some K street conservative group
PragerU might be hiring.
Or Trump University? Wait…
Federalist Society, here he comes !
This is interesting. Could a disbarred lawyer work at a think tank on legal topics? At what point does that stuff become "legal advice"?
"public policy" analyst ha
I’ve seen that question raised in cases where a disbarred attorney actually wrote briefs for another attorney, and the other attorney actually signed them. The question is writing a brief that another attorney is going to take responsibility for practicing law? Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer.
Bob Jones University
Rich white conservatives: sure, sure there should be "consequences" for my actions, but this could pose an actual impact on my life and even make me adjust my behavior! It's outrageous. I should be mildly inconvenienced at worst. You're going to make me live in debt and work an 'unskilled' job like some kinda common rabble.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Eastman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eastman) Yet another guy with a long and storied academic background and professional career who threw it all away for............Donald John Trump. I. Just. Don't. Get. It.
If you listen to his interview, it seems like he went off in a narcissistic bender, thinking he was The One, called by God to “fix” everything.
His career doesn't seem especially storied to me. U Chicago Law Review is impressive. Clarence Thomas clerkship? That seems more a mark of shame. He seems a standard, mild-mannered, racist law professor at the nation's 125th best university. (Remember when he claimed that Kamala Harris wasn't *really* a natural-born citizen even though she was born in the US?)
But, your honor, consequences would have a negative impact on me. I object!
"We find that you are incapable of competently practicing law." "ok but i rly need the money tho"
Fucked around and found out.
"We don't want you practicing law." "OK, but can I practice law anyway?"
He could take a job as a counterpoint in a university legal ethics class.
No
Consequences and all that stuff
Another stupid whiner
Jimmy John's is hiring delivery drivers right now. FYI.
Who exactly, is hiring this guy? Besides Mike Lindell.
NBC News will hire him
Ask Trump for some..
Do all cases argue such crazy positions or is this just occurring because judges continue to refuse to uphold their oath and sanction these bad faith lawyers?
I heard McDonalds is hiring
Bankruptcy works for disbarred lawyers.
Just needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps.
I started out as a public defender in a really sketchy city on the East Coast. PLENTY of suspended (and maybe even disbarred) lawyers kept right on making court appearances and pleading out cases. No one gave a shit. Eastman can do that. He can lurk in the halls outside the bail courtroom, looking for $150 clients with the alcoholics and scumbags wearing mismatched suits. It’s what he deserves.
Should have thought about that before.
It's curious how the same people who have no trouble throwing someone's life away because they have a few joints demand mercy when the justice system is pointed at them. You may also notice that it's these very same people who are complaining about prison conditions for the jailed insurrectionists as though they are the only ones receiving shitty food and non-existent medical care. I have no problem improving prison conditions to be more humane as long as we improve conditions for everyone, not just some white people who never thought they'd be the ones in prison.
What's the going rate for a disbarred lawyer?
Hopefully McDonald's is hiring
Man who wanted to foist an unelected dictator on the country begs for special indulgences. Hard no.
Wal-Mart's hiring greeters.
This is just offensive. Yes, I did bad things as a lawyer that merit me being disbarred and no longer permitted to be a lawyer. Please let me ignore your ruling and continue to be a lawyer, making large amounts of money, so I can pay the legal fees my own stupidity bought down on me. This is the consequence of doing something this wrong. He’s damned lucky he’s not in jail. Sorry that’s there are repercussions to your actions! Now go flip burgers at McDonalds or sell some of your assets or something. You’re done as a lawyer because of things you personally chose to do.
He’s not in jail YET.
Fingers, toes, eyes… all crossed!
McDonald's is hiring. My point is there are other ways to make money. I am sure someone with his education can get a good job somewhere.
His education and sterling record for honesty
>Dr. Eastman would lose his ability to make a living as an attorney. That's the point. You shouldn't be an attorney anymore. He could always go teach.
…others how to be a seditious sycophant.
He can still practice in another state.
No, he cannot. A lawyer who wants to take a case in another state has to first be admitted to practice in that state for that specific case. That’s called a **Pro Hoc Vice*” admission. In order to be admitted *Pro Hoc Vice* in another state, the other state’s bar has to approve your application. One of the requirements is that you furnish a Certificate in Good Standing from your home state bar. Once you’re disbarred, you can’t get that certificate; rather, your home state bar will notify the new state that you’re not in good standing, but you’re disbarred. Effectively, once you’re disbarred in you own state, you’re disbarred in all states.
"Oh no, there are life altering consequences to my democracy threatening actions."
Who the heck would hire him as a lawyer except Trump.
How about FUCK NO fascist asshole.
Walmarts hiring, John. Perhaps you can participate in the real economy now that you've been kicked out of the special one designed just for people like you used to be
Tough s%\^&. Shoulda thought about that before you tried to overthrow the government, traitor.
Well I hope this means he has to sell his house in Santa Fe because I don’t like traitors for neighbors 🤞
Hahaha, no.
So nobody's going to mention the tufts of hair coming out of Eastman's nose in that picture?
FAFO. He's in the FO stage.
lol no.
“We think you’re such a terrible, criminal lawyer, you shouldn’t be a lawyer.” “Please let me lawyer more to make up for being a terrible lawyer!”
Maybe he could learn to drive a truck or something lol.
Do the Sopranos still need a legal advisor?
Public defendera are provided at no charge.
Ha, ha, good luck with that traitor...
I’m sure there are fast food places looking for help. There are places that pay at least $7.25/hour and he can budget and “work” his fees off. Check the job service offices, just like others who lose their jobs due to their own misconduct at work.
Minimum wage is $20/hr in California (no fucking thanks to this traitor and his pals).
“Just because I did it doesn’t mean I’m guilty.”
https://preview.redd.it/oomb1c1cjosc1.jpeg?width=1378&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd3c511c70ee5f35c3377f7339c7c182a5e10a4c
Eastman “would lose his ability to make a living as an attorney,” the Wednesday stay motion argues. Well, duh. Disbarment will do that to a lawyer. But - he wouldn’t have those legal bills if he hadn’t done the crap he got disbarred for. Plus, disbarment protects clients from being represented by a dishonest lawyer.
You have to wonder who these high paying clients are?
Akin to a bank robber saying don't put me in prison so I can rob banks to pay my bills.