I doubt it. They all have places to be this summer, whether it’s vacation, lecturing, or on Harlan Crow’s yacht. It’ll be on Friday. And it’ll either be a PC opinion or Roberts will have written it. Either way it’ll be the last to drop and it will be read. And I expect Alito to read Fischer right before. They love their drama.
I would legit not put it past them to have the reason they’re delaying so much be that they’re trying to come up with such terms and conditions but make them slightly less transparent (which would be hard to do, especially for these knuckleheads)
Author: Jordan Fischer
Published: 3:30 PM EDT June 24, 2024
Updated: 3:40 PM EDT June 24, 2024
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court added two additional days to release opinions this week with decisions in nearly a dozen cases still pending.
According to the court’s website, SCOTUS will now announce decisions on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of this week. Previously, only Wednesday had been scheduled as an opinion day.
The court has yet to rule on a number of high-profile cases from this term, among them whether a federal law requiring hospitals that receive Medicare funds to provide abortions in cases of medical emergencies overrules an Idaho state law criminalizing most abortions. Other outstanding cases include a decision on whether the Biden administration censored protected speech on social media and whether to uphold a bankruptcy settlement with the makers of the opioid oxycontin that shields members of the Sackler family, which owns the company, from civil liability.
At the top of the SCOTUS watch list, however, is the court’s ruling on whether former President Donald Trump enjoys immunity from prosecution for acts while in office. Trump faces criminal charges in both D.C. and Georgia for alleged crimes committed as part of his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. The justices appeared roundly skeptical of his arguments that he should enjoy absolute immunity from all criminal prosecution during oral arguments in April, but also questioned whether they would be endorsing a trend of post-presidency prosecutions.
“Will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes us as a democracy?” Justice Samuel Alito asked.
Trump’s appeal to the D.C. Circuit and SCOTUS have already significantly delayed his D.C. trial, which was originally scheduled for March 4. A trial prior to the November election appears increasingly unlikely, even if SCOTUS’ decision in the case does not necessitate further hearings at the district level.
The high court is also considering an appeal to an obstruction statute used to charge hundreds of people, including Trump, in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The challenger, former Pennsylvania police officer Joseph W. Fischer, contends the Justice Department improperly used a post-Enron law meant to criminalize evidence destruction to charge him and more than 300 people with obstructing the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. The DOJ says its use of the statute is in line with how appellate courts across the country have interpreted it since it became law as part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002.
SCOTUS begins announcing opinions at 10 a.m. each day. They are then posted to the court’s homepage with links to the full text of the decision.
Agreed. They're ToTalLy nOt inFlUencEd by politics, except when they are.
I assume they realize the long-term irreparable damage they are doing to the Courts, they just don't care. That RV isn't going to renovate itself.
I’ll go ahead and place a bet on Thursday for the immunity decision. Tables have turned, Trump is losing it in real time. Republicans are scrambling for a foothold. We are seeing the car become airborne and the slow motion trip to the bottom of the canyon Thelma and Louise style has begun.
Enjoy.
I see one of two outcomes (coming in a friday opinion because of COURSE) and it all depends on the conservative justices' faith in their guy and his team.
a) a narrowly crafted ruling that lets Trump off the hook and allows him to wriggle back to the lower courts where his lawyers can continue to delay until the election. The executive branch experiences no benefit, and you likely see more annoying and stupid behavior from the House about Biden not "being a king." This is the high-faith option.
b) a relatively narrow attempt to clarify the concept of "official acts" that clears up some questions and asks a bunch more. It's messily worded, but just barely substantive enough to remand back to the lower courts to proceed. The executive branch gains no benefit due to the muddiness of the ruling, and ultimately no one is happy. This is the low faith option.
Sure, there's a chance you get "justices grant blanket immunity trump," but there could also be "trump can't claim immunity when he fomented a riot," though I'm dubious that the justices are dumb/principled enough to pick either.
Regarding the a) alternative you present as that has been mentioned a lot recently.. Wouldn't that make Trump having to spend every day in court during that process ? Like in the NY Criminal case, he didn't do anything besides the "press conferences" but had to sit there every day
My money says Trump comes up with a totally believable excuse not to show. Let’s brainstorm, huh, maybe Trump will say he has COVID, no that won’t work… he’ll claim Biden will cheat. How to you cheat at a debate? Get the questions in advance? Refuse a drug test for the Alzheimer’s treatment? That’s it! Trump will complain since Biden won’t agree it rigged and he isn’t going to
The cialis commercials all say to see a doctor if you've experienced an election lasting more than four hours. Seeing as he's still whining about 2020, Trump clearly needs to go see a doctor.
What’s the bet? No way scotus gives immunity to presidents for official acts because that would apply to Biden.
So, a carve out? This only applies to trump in these very specific circumstances. Or a rejection?
I have been assuming all this time they were going to sit on it until the election to see who wins to base their decision around that. Trump wins, blanket immunity. Biden wins, no immunity but they find a way to help trump.
My uneducated guess- immunity for "official" acts, kicked back to lower courts to consider each act whether it passes some test of officiality. A process that would add months, and subject to further appeals.
Feels like the immunity decision comes down 4pm on Friday so we can all 'sit in the shit' through the weekend.
They may wait until July sometime.
I doubt it. They all have places to be this summer, whether it’s vacation, lecturing, or on Harlan Crow’s yacht. It’ll be on Friday. And it’ll either be a PC opinion or Roberts will have written it. Either way it’ll be the last to drop and it will be read. And I expect Alito to read Fischer right before. They love their drama.
They can delay until the fall. Nothing says they have to rule before summer break.
None of them want to work on this and be under the microscope all of their summer vacation. They can delay further but I highly doubt it.
It's probably already done. They're just sitting on it.
One would think drama is the last thing they want but you’re right
I don’t think your thinking about the same group of people I’m thinking about
Alito and Thomas bitch about the drama repeatedly lately... but then they're the ones that want to play games.
A great gift for America just before July 4th: freedom from prosecution for select presidents (terms and conditions apply)
Terms and conditions: Is it an R or a D next to their name?
I would legit not put it past them to have the reason they’re delaying so much be that they’re trying to come up with such terms and conditions but make them slightly less transparent (which would be hard to do, especially for these knuckleheads)
Or September, even.
Are we still talking 2024?
Yes, for now, lol.
Agree. Smart money is on a Friday decision. Face the Nation and the other Sunday morning talk shows will have some good ratings.
Or to distract from the talk about the debate
It won’t be at 4, but I suspect it will be on Friday. After the debate.
Shame it likely won't come down the morning of the debate.
They are going* to announce Fischer and immunity on Friday because the debate is Thursday *Source: my ass
Debate bingo cards are out Get ready for Thursday... https://imgur.com/gallery/RQH9W7f
Are you sure that is the card for the 2024 election? I don't see Hunter's laptop or rigged elections on any of the squares.
There are many versions, you can even make custom cards. But you're absolutely right, those need to be on there.
How is "Trump" not the free space. I'm certain he'll be mentioned.
I think "free space" is what Biden will say is in between trumps ears.
"Let's see if he's worth saving, first."
Oh my, could you imagine?
I don't think you'll have to imagine. Seems pretty likely.
Author: Jordan Fischer Published: 3:30 PM EDT June 24, 2024 Updated: 3:40 PM EDT June 24, 2024 WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court added two additional days to release opinions this week with decisions in nearly a dozen cases still pending. According to the court’s website, SCOTUS will now announce decisions on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of this week. Previously, only Wednesday had been scheduled as an opinion day. The court has yet to rule on a number of high-profile cases from this term, among them whether a federal law requiring hospitals that receive Medicare funds to provide abortions in cases of medical emergencies overrules an Idaho state law criminalizing most abortions. Other outstanding cases include a decision on whether the Biden administration censored protected speech on social media and whether to uphold a bankruptcy settlement with the makers of the opioid oxycontin that shields members of the Sackler family, which owns the company, from civil liability. At the top of the SCOTUS watch list, however, is the court’s ruling on whether former President Donald Trump enjoys immunity from prosecution for acts while in office. Trump faces criminal charges in both D.C. and Georgia for alleged crimes committed as part of his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. The justices appeared roundly skeptical of his arguments that he should enjoy absolute immunity from all criminal prosecution during oral arguments in April, but also questioned whether they would be endorsing a trend of post-presidency prosecutions. “Will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes us as a democracy?” Justice Samuel Alito asked. Trump’s appeal to the D.C. Circuit and SCOTUS have already significantly delayed his D.C. trial, which was originally scheduled for March 4. A trial prior to the November election appears increasingly unlikely, even if SCOTUS’ decision in the case does not necessitate further hearings at the district level. The high court is also considering an appeal to an obstruction statute used to charge hundreds of people, including Trump, in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The challenger, former Pennsylvania police officer Joseph W. Fischer, contends the Justice Department improperly used a post-Enron law meant to criminalize evidence destruction to charge him and more than 300 people with obstructing the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. The DOJ says its use of the statute is in line with how appellate courts across the country have interpreted it since it became law as part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002. SCOTUS begins announcing opinions at 10 a.m. each day. They are then posted to the court’s homepage with links to the full text of the decision.
Well that's promising if you want a trump decision this week. Depending on what that decision is...
They definitely couldn't release that decision before or on the day of the debate, so it has to be Friday.
Agreed. They're ToTalLy nOt inFlUencEd by politics, except when they are. I assume they realize the long-term irreparable damage they are doing to the Courts, they just don't care. That RV isn't going to renovate itself.
Motor coach!
Motor coach!
I’ll go ahead and place a bet on Thursday for the immunity decision. Tables have turned, Trump is losing it in real time. Republicans are scrambling for a foothold. We are seeing the car become airborne and the slow motion trip to the bottom of the canyon Thelma and Louise style has begun. Enjoy.
I'm guessing they won't release that decision ahead of the debate on Thursday. Friday is my guess.
Sure, could be, you’re probably correct, but it would be hilarious if they did post it before the debate.
If they grant executive immunity, Biden will have more options for responses at the debate. 😉
If they grant executive immunity, Biden could do the funniest thing ever at the debate.
Or just about anything he wants, really. He could teabag Trump, for example, and argue that’s part of his presidential duties
I think Tumbleweed is right. Though, I'd love nothing more than for the immunity to drop right before the debate.
I’d say early Friday morning if the debate performance is really bad.
I see one of two outcomes (coming in a friday opinion because of COURSE) and it all depends on the conservative justices' faith in their guy and his team. a) a narrowly crafted ruling that lets Trump off the hook and allows him to wriggle back to the lower courts where his lawyers can continue to delay until the election. The executive branch experiences no benefit, and you likely see more annoying and stupid behavior from the House about Biden not "being a king." This is the high-faith option. b) a relatively narrow attempt to clarify the concept of "official acts" that clears up some questions and asks a bunch more. It's messily worded, but just barely substantive enough to remand back to the lower courts to proceed. The executive branch gains no benefit due to the muddiness of the ruling, and ultimately no one is happy. This is the low faith option. Sure, there's a chance you get "justices grant blanket immunity trump," but there could also be "trump can't claim immunity when he fomented a riot," though I'm dubious that the justices are dumb/principled enough to pick either.
Regarding the a) alternative you present as that has been mentioned a lot recently.. Wouldn't that make Trump having to spend every day in court during that process ? Like in the NY Criminal case, he didn't do anything besides the "press conferences" but had to sit there every day
My money says Trump comes up with a totally believable excuse not to show. Let’s brainstorm, huh, maybe Trump will say he has COVID, no that won’t work… he’ll claim Biden will cheat. How to you cheat at a debate? Get the questions in advance? Refuse a drug test for the Alzheimer’s treatment? That’s it! Trump will complain since Biden won’t agree it rigged and he isn’t going to
The cialis commercials all say to see a doctor if you've experienced an election lasting more than four hours. Seeing as he's still whining about 2020, Trump clearly needs to go see a doctor.
What’s the bet? No way scotus gives immunity to presidents for official acts because that would apply to Biden. So, a carve out? This only applies to trump in these very specific circumstances. Or a rejection? I have been assuming all this time they were going to sit on it until the election to see who wins to base their decision around that. Trump wins, blanket immunity. Biden wins, no immunity but they find a way to help trump.
My uneducated guess- immunity for "official" acts, kicked back to lower courts to consider each act whether it passes some test of officiality. A process that would add months, and subject to further appeals.
This is my bet.
Are there any days scheduled for after this week?
Not yet. https://www.scotusblog.com/events/2024-06/ We probably won’t know ow about next week until Friday after opinions are announced.