Id argue the main issue is the rest of the team cant punish for banning his champions. In NA, if you ban out APA, he still have 1 or 2 champs he can play, and then players on his team who match up much better skillwise can get good picks to carry on.
The rest of TL cant do anything with the extra top tier champions against better competition.
Not the first time he exposed in world stage though. GAM last World Champions literally said he only knew to play 2 champs, just banned both and mid lane was done
Yeah funny enough APA played surprisingly fine against Creme after game 1
The rest of TL outside of maybe Impact just couldn’t keep up the opposition though. Everyone was worried about YAPA going into MSI but the rest of TL were even bigger liabilities
Creme has gotten way better on mages in general over the past year or two. Specifically Corki he still looks horrible on, I don't understand why he keeps picking this champ so often.
Yeah I mean obviously apa is a pro should have realized he can't step within 500 feet of the ornn while not on full hp, but it's not like he got egregiously outplayed or tried to pick a fight melee range and did less dps ornn literally just oneshot him.
R-e-w-auto to kill someone on 55% hp is definitely a oneshot, it took about 2 seconds to kill him, 95% of which he was cced for. Also you do realize asol goes over walls right? I guess he thought he could make it over before ornn ult hit him which obviously wasn't even close but he didn't even make it to the wall and ornn ult from that distance isn't dodgeable regardless, so he dies no matter what there unless meiko somehow fucks up his ordering really bad.
he get to play ASOL in game 2 and 3 thats why.
Literally when u ban him out he is a liability. team have to prioritize his pick LOL.
He is a liability in BP which is a big part of the game.
He drew three rotations bans in game 1 and two first rotation bans in the last 2 games. Even in his Asol games they picked it on 3rd not 1st
Calling him a liability in P/B is crazy lmao
his liability comes from not being able to play other champ to the high level. and forcing the team to have to pick asol (when left open) in the first phase.
His pick is the 2nd pick, 3rd pick, and 3rd pick
while creme is 3rd pick, 4th pick, and 4th pick.
Having the team to play around your small champ pool is a liability.
Let me get this straight. So you’re saying APA is a p/b liability because… TL picks his champion in the first phase, not even first pick. This is despite him drawing 2-3 first phase bans. And picking your mid lane first rotation is literally the standard unless you’re saving for counterpick
That’s stupid enough already, but at least APA can relatively hold his own on his comfort champs. Rest of TL had a free p/b and still got gapped on their comfort picks. But go ahead and keep trying to pin it on him
U slow? He’s saying he’s a liability because they have to pick his champs first round or else he gets his whole champion pool banned and it becomes a 4v5
He’s a liability because 1. Enemy team will know he will HAVE to play whatever comfort is left up 2. The rest of his team has to play around the fact he HAS to play ASol
In these games, which means they have to play the entire early game with no Midlaner, what that means is that by banning two champs TES gets to have a completely free early game where they can get all objectives for free because it’s a 4v5 until asol has 1-2 items.
If you throw five bans at one guy to make the game 4v5 is he a liability or is he the goat, drawing five bans? There's a difference between not being able to play into a certain player when he's on a meta/pocket pick and a player not being a threat off of 2-3 champs.
If you’re taking 5 target bans every game then you’re not a liability in draft like the guy above me said
Bit 4v5 is a weird way to characterize this game when APA was literally their best player and the person on TL remotely holding their own. Even in his worst game, the Trist game where he was 15 cs down to Crème, nobody else on TL was doing any better
APA very clearly wasn’t a liability in draft or in game. Jungle and bot lane were much, much bigger issues
Tbf he was laning as Asol against Corki. Yeon and were laning into JKL and his LUCIAN. Like even in LPL this guy on lucian would solo win games and stomp people in 15 mins
My thoughts for the series:
1.) corejj and yeon had some absolutely catastrophic avoidable mistakes. Hiding in bush one level down, then creeping out to get executed stands out….
2.) impact was not as on point with rumble ults or his flanks as id like to see, although given each games map state, understandable.
3.) APA didnt have to deal with lane swaps or anything, he actually played ok but definitely was inferior to creme in overall influence each game.
4.) jungle always felt too slow or weird with decision making, felt like he was forcing things at the wrong times, and almsot never challenged the opposite side of the map while tian seemed to be everywhere.
In conclusion, its going to be a short MSI for NA this year, as usual.
Regarding 2, he could have smoked TES with a better ult in g2 on the bot side jungle fight and not needed to die to clean them up. Really sad to see him rush/miss it.
People have been shit talking him long before he ever typed a word on stage.
But, it's easier to blame 1 guy who is barely an adult than to look at the hundreds of terminally online people who parade out to say the worst about this guy because they heard he talks trash in all chat.
Another thread where everyone will cry and bash on the guy whos trying to make the entertainment product more entertaining.
I'd rather see APA go and have some fun and try to make it entertaining in an 0-3 loss than send the same players who are just going to lose, pout and then give the same excuse they gave last year for why they lost.
No, actually, exactly like that. I like Yappa. EU fans(which this thread is full of) can say he's cringe or whatever all they want, but he tries, has improved, and makes it entertaining.
What else do you actually want from a player, really? If you say the ability to beat LPL/LCK without playing in that environment for at least a year, you're not being realistic.
> EU fans(which this thread is full of) can say he's cringe or whatever all they want, but he tries, has improved, and makes it entertaining.
most of his haters are NA fans lol, in basically every LCS thread there were people shitting on him
Yes it is always EU surely and when people shit on EU teams its also only EU and NA fans are pure and great lol. It is mostly Asian stans that shit on both EU and NA here. Honestly it barely even feels EU vs NA sub. It just the stans shitting on both
What do you mean we EU fans love seeing Yapa talking
I just dont like when it goes against EU because of personal reasons but most of the times its not vs EU and then i really enjoy it and laugh about it
I like yappa as an eu fan. Most people who shit on us are eastern fans who don't have anything other than shitting on western fans going for them in their shitty hypercapitalist shitholes.
My thought is that he's always been cringe (eu fan tho)
And that WAS the general sentiment around here.. until he won LCS.. and then everyone loved him.. kinda laughable tbh
Now its back to hating cause he lost...
Was the same with Wunder/Plays wow meme back in the day.. EVERYONE fucking loved it when G2 was winning.. then in 2021 when they lost.. dude got non stop shit and you had huge threads shitting on him for not taking the game seriously
First not "everyone". Second, if the guy can improve his mental and results with side activities : good, more power to him. But the moment he gives the impression he doesn't perform and doesn't apply himself, of course people will call him out on that.
It may be unfair, but that's the life of a higher profile performer.
APA is a grinder. He may never be a high skill player, but the dude does work at it. Hes probably a better verison of GoldenGlue, honestly. He grinds his ass off.
He definitely applies himself, but whether that makes him a world class player or not is another story.
No but seriously not like that. I don’t understand why reddit thinks personality = talking in all chat like a 13 year old twitch viewer. It is just childish what he is doing.
FWIW I think most of the APA flame in the post match thread is not from NA fans. The series ended at like 7am and that's only if you are one eastern time. NA fans on the west coast had the series end at 4am.
Most NA fans would be asleep or just getting up for work/school and wouldn't really have time to flame.
Now if the sentiment towards APA trashtalk is the same in 5 hours, then I guess I have no idea what I'm talking about and a bunch of closeted APA haters in NA just came out of the cracks to flame him.
You can have personality without being a toxic fuck
If I have to choose between DL and Aphro, who are both considered GOAT NA talent, i'd take Aphro 100 out of 100 times...
Just the reality lol we went from our best players streaming all night after games which created a real community and brand and interaction to “dae he talk in all chat how quirky” if that’s what you think personality is then that’s on you
I mean he literally streams a ton too and has a sizable viewership (I think more than any other active NA pro rn) and this on top of TL having the closest thing to the long scrim hours that LCK fanboys are always flaming NA for not having of all the teams so I don't know what else you want from him lol
I get that it may be too much to ask for, but can our homegrown talent please not get their shit tucked by the worst eastern team. I love the banter, but I’d love it more if we could back it up
Worst Eastern team is a bit disingenious. This is the top 2 seeds from every region. This is most likely the top 3/4 team in the world.
We have already seen even last worlds its hard for Western teams to even take games off 4th seeds. Not only that, Asian 4th seeds actually are good enough to win worlds.
Yea, TES MAY be the worst(we wont know until the even is over), but thats like saying Faker is worse than Chovy or some other comparison.
To me a player just /all typing "you scared?" on repeat is not terribly entertaining. Trashtalk isn't *necessarily* fun, it's fun when it's done well, when it's witty, when there's history between the players etc. If Jensen calls you bad and you're about to play VS him then yeah that's the perfect time to trashtalk. But here VS TES it just felt forced because his entire identity is now YAPPA, which is sad in and of itself.
APA does the same, basic af trashtalk every game. I'm not going to praise the guy for that. He can do it if he wants to it's allowed, but that doesn't deserve praise. He isn't doing it "to make the product more entertaining" either, he just does it to get in his opponent's head.
When arrogance and trash talk is all your team has to offer, without even having the skills to back it up, the only entertainment I can find in there is watching those fools getting shit on.
I don't understand why this is such a difficult thing to understand. I don't even mind the random trash talk, what bothers me is that now he doesn't care about what people think of TL or NA. Just gives weak minded vibes.
It’s not “now”, and if you take it in context he’s just saying he’s confident of his team and himself given that they’re the only ones in scrims seeing the results. I don’t see at all what that has to do with “weak minded vibes”, to me that the opposite?
But isn't shittalking the overly cocky player part of the entertainment he provides? The whole point of someone playing the heel is for people to engage with them. He is great at what he does - he shittalks EU and I'm instantly more engaged since the stakes were raised. Either they outperform us and he gets to be on top or they bomb and we get to talk back.
Heels are supposed to be on par of everyone else, otherwise is just the dumb weird kid talking shit to adults that could dropkick him without even looking.
Yeah, a lot of people LOVE cocky/showboating/trashtalking players... because they actually have the skill to back it up. Look at someone like Saenchai or Rodtang (Muay Thai), Ali or Tyson,.. all of them very-well liked for their antics and confidence, because they're also some of the greatest athletes.
Then you have APA, whose only claim to fame is winning in the Mickey mouse jr club region and trying to trashtalk people that fight stronger players in their Masters soloqueue game on the daily, and it just doesn't look great. This isn't Tyson bringing heat to the ring, it's some amateur boxer not landing a single punch against a pro and mumbling about "it doesn't even hurt" while getting downed for the second time in 10seconds
And I am saying that you getting to talk about him like this is part of the entertainment value he provides. KC in the LEC is the same thing. They are not competitive at all, yet their fanbase talk way above their actual level. This makes them the clowns of the league and clowns are entertaining.
I get the sentiment, but come on, trash talking just looks stupid AF when you're getting wiped on the floor by the teams you're trash talking. I absolutely love for there to be more emotional energy in games, its literally what drives people to watch, but IDK about you but I don't feel any emotion from trash talking when I know the game is going to be a fucking stomp.
When these guys are operating at least in the same dimension of these top regions, I'll be right alongside you supporting this. But until then it just looks stupid AF.
>Another thread where everyone will cry and bash on the guy whos trying to make the entertainment product more entertaining
And we're making it even more entertaining for ourselves by taking the piss out of him. What's the problem?
are you entertained watching ass league of legends followed by the casters posting some screenshot of a guy writting in all chat?. I can now see why the LCS is losing more and more viewers every year and nobody seems to care...
How about being entertained by watching good league of legends instead? crazy idea I know...
Generic NA player gets stomped at MSI/Worlds: They suck, they play meta but worse, no wonder they get hands diffed if they can't put in more than 200 soloq games a year, actually embarrassing how they just fall over and lose.
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TL APA gets stomped at MSI: Hell yeah man he's talking mad shit and it's hilarious, we need more people like him.
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That aside, they're not out of the tournament yet, so let's wait for Saturday before we talk about blame game and pouting.
The typical NA players go to international, they all sound nervous going into games vs eastern teams, and they usually just sht the bed, most of the time not even playing the style that got them to international.
APA at least stays consistent in his attitude regardless of who he's playing or how he's perceived by people at the time, and at least try's to stick to his style. You can argue whether or not its a good style to play but I'd rather see a team lose at international on what they won NA with than lose on a random playstyle they tried to pick up last second and look like completely unconfident and uncoordinated on it.
whole reason G2 does good internationally is because they try cheese strats and new shit, you are NEVER going to beat the east by playing what they play. you will just be worse in every aspect
What personality/entertainment is he providing? Talking shit is free and he isn't particularly creative. This is like saying the toxic waste I run into in solo queue has personality.
He's not interesting because he sounds arrogant and is unskilled. This is like... side villain charisma.
Yeah idk the last couple of years pros have been so fucking stale. APA (shit talking zigs) has been refreshing. I hope they learned something from the loss.
I mean he won his league, and was the best performing member on his team today. He's doing what he can with his limited experience, and is at least being himself rather than just mentally giving up because he's vs an Asian team.
yes your absolutly right with that, but i mean comon he had like 1,5 years or so now in TL and still didnt bother to advance his champpool somehow. thats what i mean and bothers me. hes not showing he wants to improve imo.
This was his first full split on an LCS roster, its been closer to .75 years (including off season) than it is to 1.5 years.
I agree that if he cant develop his champ pool by the next split or 2 then theres a serious issue, but I'd rather the guy develop a comfortable playstyle of his own and then branch out from there rather than just brute forcing "meta" picks and losing his own identity as a player.
Taliyah, Ziggs, ASol, Cassiopeia, Neeko, Syndra, Ahri, Orianna, Azir and Tristana. You can say he's not the best at the last 4 - but they are apart of his champion pool, the idea that he's a 2-3 trick is just absurd. His Cassiopeia especially is pretty nice, unfortunately the champion is fucking dogwater atm.
Ngl though like id rather watch someone shut up and put up a good performance rather than have him say ONE controversial "rile up" thing during an entire 3 game series and literally show 0 ability to play
like its not like he's constantly talking, they highlighted like one thing he said and he stopped talking bc him and the team were getting absolutely rolled
like "have some fun and try to make it entertaining" sounds like such a cope thing to say when he said 1 thing, and then proceeded to show the most unremarkable performance that is not even enjoyable to watch.
I mean, bashing on him for trash talking isn't the same as not wanting him to trash talk.
That's like the whole thing with trash talking and why it's entertaining. It spices things up, and the unspoken agreement is "if I back my trash talk up, I'm funny and the best. If I don't, then I deserve to be shit on for it". Fans buy in, players (should) buy in (if they trash talk), and we shouldn't get offended on players' behalves for getting clowned when trash talk backfires. That's part of the fun. Clowning APA is fun, but it's not like I want him to stop doing what he's doing.
So is that where you are as an NA fan? "Sure, the guy's not a good league player, but at least he's a good clown."
Is the option to demand respectful and hard-working players who earn fanbase by consistent attitude and performances no longer there?
Flaming is fun when you can back it up. You trash talk somebody who is in your own tier, not the guys on another planet. G2 is fun, APA is cringe. Even G2 is moving towards cringe category year after year tho.
thats what make it funny lmao you guys needs to go outside a bit
if thats the type of yaping that is enough to tilt keyboard warriors , i understand why league community are just softy
i guess it will be the last time riot will share some bits of all chatting
>it’s cringe to lose
This is why NA and EU became soulless. Because our own fans gaslit them into never showing any personality ever lest they get dunked on
This need to be the mentality all NA proplayer needs to have. At this pt, LCS is just a laughing stock n online community just going to sht on them no matter what anyway.
Not like online community is making any effort to try to improve LCS, is on these proplayers back.
We get shit on even if we win games.
There is no pleasing this community so you might as well make them seethe even more by doing something they dont like and then telling them you have basically blocked them.
idk what exactly can improve LCS but we can definitely use a lot less on the negativity for LCS orgs/players.
Is crazy to me how no matter what place LCS orgs/players are at, ppl hyper focus on the negative than the positive. Maybe because all the NA costreamers also do the same, maybe is just a NA thing. Most LCS post-game discussions on reddit are always flaming something/someone. The few i remember that had more positive sentiment to it was Fall2023 finals with NRG vs. C9.
Whereas if you look at OK BRION in LCK, they are mostly a bottom tier team but ppl still hype around the team/players. Making names for some players like General Umti, Lord Morgan, etc.
Shitting on individual players is horrible, but LCS orgs deserve all the negativity they receive for trying to pay to win pro games.
You can't just throw money at "better" players and expect to win more, especially when there's a language barrier. Especially when these players are leaving any kind of support network they had when they live in their homeland.
no reason to overestimate the influence of shittalking anyways. you might get in some people's heads, but the momentum of games changes regularly, players make mistakes and teams throw. it happens, but then the selective perception kicks in. just like the "caster curse", or "my team plays better, if i don't watch".
you can do much more damage in the actual game with a single play. talking shit might get his performance closer to that goal. don't know. i'm not here to judge
I'm all for talking shit in all-chat, but I think this should be saved for when you are on equal footing to your opponent or at least putting up a good fight. Typing in all-chat when your team is losing games in 20 min and 20k gold behind is just embarrassing
As someone who was at the LCS finals, the crowd was cheering super hard when the interviewer asked APA to flame at MSI and he agreed to it. So you can't really blame him when clearly people enjoy it.
I 100% agree with typing when even or close, but I disagree with typing when behind being embarrassing is you are someone who typed when even or ahead too, which he does. If you only banter when winning or even, you’re a coward and to me that’s embarrassing. The only caveat is of course if you’re winning and the opponent banters, then of course it’s free game haha.
For that one would need to let go of their delusions, set reasonable expectations, grind to meet them and then move on from there. Every year the expectations for and from NA teams are so whack.
There is literally no expectations for NA to make it out of groups or make it to the semi's, yet they continue to collapse under pressure when it comes to the international stage.
It's the same story every single year lmao.
People would appreciate the trash talk if there was even an ounce of fight being put up against these top teams, but these performances are just objectively bad, and that's reflected in how every loss is just a methodical crush.
Good, focus on your team's performance. We'll stop making fun of the trash talk when your gameplay is in the same dimension as the top regions.
My issue with APA is only that his trash talk isn't *entertaining*. Many have made the comparison to Wunder but imo Wunder's jabs were much funnier. If G2 had lost to TL at MSI the "get ready for the fastest bo3" would've been fun to meme about and I can even see him getting in on the joke. Also the "what is going on" ms paint thing is just funny.
APA on the other hand is just writing lame stuff like "3 bans?" and "i see how you teamfight". How is that entertaining? Where's the fun in that? Wunder comes off as cocky or playfully mean, like you could love to hate him if you're on the receiving end of his banter. APA just comes off as a dick even if you're on his side. Honestly, if he could back up his trashtalk I'd hate it just the same.
I think the biggest difference between wunder and apa is that wunder has skill to back it up. If you are all bark and no bite soon people will find that trash talk annoying. It doesn't mean that you have to win every game for the right to have trash talk. But a defeat on a long run makes trash talk more annoying. If apa and tl keep on performing poorly, soon the fans and the Reddit sentiment would change for apa trash talk.
true, and a "nice try" from someone who is destroying you has a different, casket building-like taste. in this case the offender could seize the moment for maximum, spiritual-cognitive alphadom. wunder is a good guy, so he didn't do that
Banter and trashtalk can be fun and engaging. Yapping every fucking game cause it's part of your "personality" (road to clout more like) is not that.
People making comparisons to real sports trashtalking legends is hysterical to me let alone established players with moments of trash talk.
So he just yaps and will continue yapping regardless of the results because “you guys didn’t like us anyway and I don’t care about your opinion “. They wonder why fans don’t take the region seriously.
and people defend him like his personality is a beacon for NA to stand on LOL. guys if THIS is your representative then the scene has truly fallen into the mud
Never understood the APA hate. Can tell people have never watched sports in their life. Go check out Chael Sonnen.
It's great for NA and TL to have a heel like this. It makes it more entertaining, imagine one of the eastern mids claps back and you get a lil rivalry going between teams. If all you care about is watching the highest quality of League and expecting the utmost respect and professionalism idk why you're watching NA play.
You're clearly watching it for the entertainment factor... So let it be entertaining and let APA have his fun.
> Chael Sonnen
Yeah, someone who could actually compete with the best in his sports.
Having heels is fun, if they can compete, having a stupid kid trash talking Ngannou outside of the ring when he could put him into a coma by dropping his dick on their forehead is just sad to watch.
Okay here's some perspective for you, known trash talkers in the NA scene and you tell me when these players are good enough by your metric to have this banter.
APA
Jojopyun
Zven
Fudge
Vulcan
Doublelift
Now if you're actually going to go down the list player by player and say yeah he's good enough, nah he's not good enough. Maybe you just let them be entertaining and have fun with it.
Either he trash talks and wins or he gets destroyed after trash talking and the haters are happy.
Except it's not entertaining when the one trash talking is complete garbage and a detriment to his team every single time. When someone trash talks and backs it up in any capacity it can get interesting and rivalries can form. But when there isn't even a competition, trash talk just becomes a joke that you get tired of real quick.
Like, if I was in a game we were losing super hard and my deadweight midlaner was still typing in all chat I'd just be shaking my head. Impact and Core are probably cringing inside
Complete detriment to his team, who was their best overall performer in play-offs, besides a few series from Yeon and was finals MVP. Also the only one who looked like he had a pulse vs TES, while also being "banned out". Such a complete detriment. Impact and Core should be cringing, because they are the veterans and were fucking embarassing vs TES.
Yeah he went from not even being considered for an academy spot to winning LCS in under 2 years and the most informed Redditor thinks he’s not even putting in any work.
I find it hilarious that most reddit commentors set the bar at being at least as good as the top 10 players in the world, else you're absolute garbo that doesn't even try
I didn't compare him to a top 10 player in the world nor do I expect him to be as good as them. He obviously tries if he really grinds so much, but he still has the same small champ pool he had when he first joined the LCS almost a year ago, he also still has games where he looks kinda lost and is a big reason his team loses. I don't doubt that he tries to improve and works on it, but I just don't see the improvement one would expect if he grinds so much. I don't think it's unfair or unreasonable to expect him to expand his champ pool after playing in LCS for 10 months, but every time he is of his comfort picks he looks kinda lost, so it doesn't seem like he is practicing other champs much.
focused on the typeracer world championship
3 bans?
Which turned into two quick fast lmao.
I mean being target banned like this isn't even an achievement, literally means TES thinks you're a 2-3 trick pony
And they were right, did you see him on tristana game 1, rediculously bad the way he piloted the champion.
tbh he's only known for two things, even domestically: being a Ziggs/ASol 2trick and being toxic in all chat on the pro stage.
Id argue the main issue is the rest of the team cant punish for banning his champions. In NA, if you ban out APA, he still have 1 or 2 champs he can play, and then players on his team who match up much better skillwise can get good picks to carry on. The rest of TL cant do anything with the extra top tier champions against better competition.
Not the first time he exposed in world stage though. GAM last World Champions literally said he only knew to play 2 champs, just banned both and mid lane was done
Man is about to become the Freddie Mitchell of League. Can't wait for Kkoma to go full Belichick on him.
Yappa in game 3 after the 18 minute mark: no record loser
I mean he seemed pretty stable, but Yeon and Core looked like they didn’t know what the fuck was going on
Yeah funny enough APA played surprisingly fine against Creme after game 1 The rest of TL outside of maybe Impact just couldn’t keep up the opposition though. Everyone was worried about YAPA going into MSI but the rest of TL were even bigger liabilities
Impact looked terrible on Rumble.
Creme is a melee specialist and Corki was awful in the LPL in general. He'd better do fine against that.
Creme has gotten way better on mages in general over the past year or two. Specifically Corki he still looks horrible on, I don't understand why he keeps picking this champ so often.
It's good practice and he can clearly shit on TL with Corki.
Do you mean when APA, the A-to-Z 2-trick, got to pick his Asol in the last 2 games?
didnt apa get solo killed by an ornn support?
Calling it Ornn support is disingenuous when he gets all of the farm and gets the solo XP when senna roams.
Yeah I mean obviously apa is a pro should have realized he can't step within 500 feet of the ornn while not on full hp, but it's not like he got egregiously outplayed or tried to pick a fight melee range and did less dps ornn literally just oneshot him.
Ornn "oneshot" is generous already, but APA chose to fly into a wall, giving Ornn the stun.
R-e-w-auto to kill someone on 55% hp is definitely a oneshot, it took about 2 seconds to kill him, 95% of which he was cced for. Also you do realize asol goes over walls right? I guess he thought he could make it over before ornn ult hit him which obviously wasn't even close but he didn't even make it to the wall and ornn ult from that distance isn't dodgeable regardless, so he dies no matter what there unless meiko somehow fucks up his ordering really bad.
don’t try to explain anything that’s not emotionally charged to them
y 1v1 toplane
he get to play ASOL in game 2 and 3 thats why. Literally when u ban him out he is a liability. team have to prioritize his pick LOL. He is a liability in BP which is a big part of the game.
He drew three rotations bans in game 1 and two first rotation bans in the last 2 games. Even in his Asol games they picked it on 3rd not 1st Calling him a liability in P/B is crazy lmao
his liability comes from not being able to play other champ to the high level. and forcing the team to have to pick asol (when left open) in the first phase. His pick is the 2nd pick, 3rd pick, and 3rd pick while creme is 3rd pick, 4th pick, and 4th pick. Having the team to play around your small champ pool is a liability.
Tbf, if the team can't step up when one of your members gets target banned, it is a bit bigger issue.
Let me get this straight. So you’re saying APA is a p/b liability because… TL picks his champion in the first phase, not even first pick. This is despite him drawing 2-3 first phase bans. And picking your mid lane first rotation is literally the standard unless you’re saving for counterpick That’s stupid enough already, but at least APA can relatively hold his own on his comfort champs. Rest of TL had a free p/b and still got gapped on their comfort picks. But go ahead and keep trying to pin it on him
U slow? He’s saying he’s a liability because they have to pick his champs first round or else he gets his whole champion pool banned and it becomes a 4v5
He’s a liability because 1. Enemy team will know he will HAVE to play whatever comfort is left up 2. The rest of his team has to play around the fact he HAS to play ASol In these games, which means they have to play the entire early game with no Midlaner, what that means is that by banning two champs TES gets to have a completely free early game where they can get all objectives for free because it’s a 4v5 until asol has 1-2 items.
If you throw five bans at one guy to make the game 4v5 is he a liability or is he the goat, drawing five bans? There's a difference between not being able to play into a certain player when he's on a meta/pocket pick and a player not being a threat off of 2-3 champs.
If you’re taking 5 target bans every game then you’re not a liability in draft like the guy above me said Bit 4v5 is a weird way to characterize this game when APA was literally their best player and the person on TL remotely holding their own. Even in his worst game, the Trist game where he was 15 cs down to Crème, nobody else on TL was doing any better APA very clearly wasn’t a liability in draft or in game. Jungle and bot lane were much, much bigger issues
Ya they made a whole long ass comment where the “if” part didn’t happen. Like sure if that happened it would be bad but it didn’t so…
It didn’t become a 4v5 though so how does that relate?
Tbf he was laning as Asol against Corki. Yeon and were laning into JKL and his LUCIAN. Like even in LPL this guy on lucian would solo win games and stomp people in 15 mins
poor yeon had to play guma/keria in his first worlds match and jkl meiko in his first msi match
he did also get to play Vietnam and was eliminated by them
god abandoned him and he did not enjoy it
He certainly needs to do that based on how they played today
Indeed. If he would focus on what fans think of NA or TL he would get depressed.
My thoughts for the series: 1.) corejj and yeon had some absolutely catastrophic avoidable mistakes. Hiding in bush one level down, then creeping out to get executed stands out…. 2.) impact was not as on point with rumble ults or his flanks as id like to see, although given each games map state, understandable. 3.) APA didnt have to deal with lane swaps or anything, he actually played ok but definitely was inferior to creme in overall influence each game. 4.) jungle always felt too slow or weird with decision making, felt like he was forcing things at the wrong times, and almsot never challenged the opposite side of the map while tian seemed to be everywhere. In conclusion, its going to be a short MSI for NA this year, as usual.
Regarding 2, he could have smoked TES with a better ult in g2 on the bot side jungle fight and not needed to die to clean them up. Really sad to see him rush/miss it.
Well, he should focus a little more then.
What performance?
Performance on the airport speedrun? They are on solid pace I guess
3-0 fnc in lower letsgo
3-0 GenG*
Very good mindset from APA and based on this thread, yeah he shouldn't care about what people write about him.
APA: I don't care what people online think. All the terminally online people in this thread: How dare he!
I don't think he has to worry about anyone caring about his performance.
A lot of people in this thread sure seem to care
I mean if u talk shit u should expect other people to talk shit about u as well. Some people go too far tho that's for sure.
People have been shit talking him long before he ever typed a word on stage. But, it's easier to blame 1 guy who is barely an adult than to look at the hundreds of terminally online people who parade out to say the worst about this guy because they heard he talks trash in all chat.
Another thread where everyone will cry and bash on the guy whos trying to make the entertainment product more entertaining. I'd rather see APA go and have some fun and try to make it entertaining in an 0-3 loss than send the same players who are just going to lose, pout and then give the same excuse they gave last year for why they lost.
NA fans begged for homegrown talent with personality *YAPPA enters the chat* “Wait no not like that”
Yeah and that's fair. Not everyone likes every personality. Massu as an example is completely different but also fits this I'd say.
No, actually, exactly like that. I like Yappa. EU fans(which this thread is full of) can say he's cringe or whatever all they want, but he tries, has improved, and makes it entertaining. What else do you actually want from a player, really? If you say the ability to beat LPL/LCK without playing in that environment for at least a year, you're not being realistic.
> EU fans(which this thread is full of) can say he's cringe or whatever all they want, but he tries, has improved, and makes it entertaining. most of his haters are NA fans lol, in basically every LCS thread there were people shitting on him
Only when they were losing. He won a ton of fans through playoffs.
His stream like quadrupled in viewers after playoffs.
Yes it is always EU surely and when people shit on EU teams its also only EU and NA fans are pure and great lol. It is mostly Asian stans that shit on both EU and NA here. Honestly it barely even feels EU vs NA sub. It just the stans shitting on both
I’m EU and I’m a big APA fan. A native talent who can banter and take the hit? I hope the best for him
As an EU fan, APA is the sole reason I watched TL playoffs run. I love that guy.
What do you mean we EU fans love seeing Yapa talking I just dont like when it goes against EU because of personal reasons but most of the times its not vs EU and then i really enjoy it and laugh about it
I like yappa as an eu fan. Most people who shit on us are eastern fans who don't have anything other than shitting on western fans going for them in their shitty hypercapitalist shitholes.
I don't know a single NA costreamer who likes APA lol
I dont know a single NA co-streamer that likes NA. If anything, most of them make their money pandering to haters.
Caedrel likes NA more than they do lol, and he clearly favors eu above them. Most of the cost readers just live to be miserable
Hasnt LS said he worked with APA behind the scenes and came out defending him when Pyosik was talking shit?
Setting the bar at washed drama chasers? Nice.
My thought is that he's always been cringe (eu fan tho) And that WAS the general sentiment around here.. until he won LCS.. and then everyone loved him.. kinda laughable tbh Now its back to hating cause he lost... Was the same with Wunder/Plays wow meme back in the day.. EVERYONE fucking loved it when G2 was winning.. then in 2021 when they lost.. dude got non stop shit and you had huge threads shitting on him for not taking the game seriously
First not "everyone". Second, if the guy can improve his mental and results with side activities : good, more power to him. But the moment he gives the impression he doesn't perform and doesn't apply himself, of course people will call him out on that. It may be unfair, but that's the life of a higher profile performer.
APA is a grinder. He may never be a high skill player, but the dude does work at it. Hes probably a better verison of GoldenGlue, honestly. He grinds his ass off. He definitely applies himself, but whether that makes him a world class player or not is another story.
No but seriously not like that. I don’t understand why reddit thinks personality = talking in all chat like a 13 year old twitch viewer. It is just childish what he is doing.
Talent is the key word
FWIW I think most of the APA flame in the post match thread is not from NA fans. The series ended at like 7am and that's only if you are one eastern time. NA fans on the west coast had the series end at 4am. Most NA fans would be asleep or just getting up for work/school and wouldn't really have time to flame. Now if the sentiment towards APA trashtalk is the same in 5 hours, then I guess I have no idea what I'm talking about and a bunch of closeted APA haters in NA just came out of the cracks to flame him.
You can have personality without being a toxic fuck If I have to choose between DL and Aphro, who are both considered GOAT NA talent, i'd take Aphro 100 out of 100 times...
NA fans don't seem to be the ones complaining about yappa lol
tfw the only personality NA can have is all chatting
Someones salty
Just the reality lol we went from our best players streaming all night after games which created a real community and brand and interaction to “dae he talk in all chat how quirky” if that’s what you think personality is then that’s on you
I mean he literally streams a ton too and has a sizable viewership (I think more than any other active NA pro rn) and this on top of TL having the closest thing to the long scrim hours that LCK fanboys are always flaming NA for not having of all the teams so I don't know what else you want from him lol
That's really your reply to that? The bare minimum for us is really typing in all chat? region is so doomed
I get that it may be too much to ask for, but can our homegrown talent please not get their shit tucked by the worst eastern team. I love the banter, but I’d love it more if we could back it up
Worst Eastern team is a bit disingenious. This is the top 2 seeds from every region. This is most likely the top 3/4 team in the world. We have already seen even last worlds its hard for Western teams to even take games off 4th seeds. Not only that, Asian 4th seeds actually are good enough to win worlds. Yea, TES MAY be the worst(we wont know until the even is over), but thats like saying Faker is worse than Chovy or some other comparison.
To me a player just /all typing "you scared?" on repeat is not terribly entertaining. Trashtalk isn't *necessarily* fun, it's fun when it's done well, when it's witty, when there's history between the players etc. If Jensen calls you bad and you're about to play VS him then yeah that's the perfect time to trashtalk. But here VS TES it just felt forced because his entire identity is now YAPPA, which is sad in and of itself. APA does the same, basic af trashtalk every game. I'm not going to praise the guy for that. He can do it if he wants to it's allowed, but that doesn't deserve praise. He isn't doing it "to make the product more entertaining" either, he just does it to get in his opponent's head.
oh its quite entertaining to see him get 1v1d by meiko while bantering dont get me wrong
When arrogance and trash talk is all your team has to offer, without even having the skills to back it up, the only entertainment I can find in there is watching those fools getting shit on.
Who would’ve thought people are gonna hate if you can’t back your talk even slightly
I don't understand why this is such a difficult thing to understand. I don't even mind the random trash talk, what bothers me is that now he doesn't care about what people think of TL or NA. Just gives weak minded vibes.
>he doesn’t care about what people think of TL or NA. I don’t get this comment. Shouldn’t that be a good thing?
It’s not “now”, and if you take it in context he’s just saying he’s confident of his team and himself given that they’re the only ones in scrims seeing the results. I don’t see at all what that has to do with “weak minded vibes”, to me that the opposite?
It’s weakminded to not take random flame to heart? The fuck lmao, he has thick skin and doesn’t let shit get to him, so apparently he’s weak minded?
But isn't shittalking the overly cocky player part of the entertainment he provides? The whole point of someone playing the heel is for people to engage with them. He is great at what he does - he shittalks EU and I'm instantly more engaged since the stakes were raised. Either they outperform us and he gets to be on top or they bomb and we get to talk back.
Heels are supposed to be on par of everyone else, otherwise is just the dumb weird kid talking shit to adults that could dropkick him without even looking.
Yeah, a lot of people LOVE cocky/showboating/trashtalking players... because they actually have the skill to back it up. Look at someone like Saenchai or Rodtang (Muay Thai), Ali or Tyson,.. all of them very-well liked for their antics and confidence, because they're also some of the greatest athletes. Then you have APA, whose only claim to fame is winning in the Mickey mouse jr club region and trying to trashtalk people that fight stronger players in their Masters soloqueue game on the daily, and it just doesn't look great. This isn't Tyson bringing heat to the ring, it's some amateur boxer not landing a single punch against a pro and mumbling about "it doesn't even hurt" while getting downed for the second time in 10seconds
And I am saying that you getting to talk about him like this is part of the entertainment value he provides. KC in the LEC is the same thing. They are not competitive at all, yet their fanbase talk way above their actual level. This makes them the clowns of the league and clowns are entertaining.
We were never going to beat TES let's be real
trashtalk when u have skills to back it up is fun. but trashtalk when u got assbeaten like that is just sad.
I get the sentiment, but come on, trash talking just looks stupid AF when you're getting wiped on the floor by the teams you're trash talking. I absolutely love for there to be more emotional energy in games, its literally what drives people to watch, but IDK about you but I don't feel any emotion from trash talking when I know the game is going to be a fucking stomp. When these guys are operating at least in the same dimension of these top regions, I'll be right alongside you supporting this. But until then it just looks stupid AF.
>Another thread where everyone will cry and bash on the guy whos trying to make the entertainment product more entertaining And we're making it even more entertaining for ourselves by taking the piss out of him. What's the problem?
are you entertained watching ass league of legends followed by the casters posting some screenshot of a guy writting in all chat?. I can now see why the LCS is losing more and more viewers every year and nobody seems to care... How about being entertained by watching good league of legends instead? crazy idea I know...
Generic NA player gets stomped at MSI/Worlds: They suck, they play meta but worse, no wonder they get hands diffed if they can't put in more than 200 soloq games a year, actually embarrassing how they just fall over and lose. -- TL APA gets stomped at MSI: Hell yeah man he's talking mad shit and it's hilarious, we need more people like him. -- That aside, they're not out of the tournament yet, so let's wait for Saturday before we talk about blame game and pouting.
The typical NA players go to international, they all sound nervous going into games vs eastern teams, and they usually just sht the bed, most of the time not even playing the style that got them to international. APA at least stays consistent in his attitude regardless of who he's playing or how he's perceived by people at the time, and at least try's to stick to his style. You can argue whether or not its a good style to play but I'd rather see a team lose at international on what they won NA with than lose on a random playstyle they tried to pick up last second and look like completely unconfident and uncoordinated on it.
whole reason G2 does good internationally is because they try cheese strats and new shit, you are NEVER going to beat the east by playing what they play. you will just be worse in every aspect
It would be nice if the fun and entertainment came with reasonable expectations and goals, not delusions and pipe dreams.
What personality/entertainment is he providing? Talking shit is free and he isn't particularly creative. This is like saying the toxic waste I run into in solo queue has personality. He's not interesting because he sounds arrogant and is unskilled. This is like... side villain charisma.
You must be new here. Player who isn’t actually good but talks shit to have a following for a few months isn’t a new trope.
Yeah idk the last couple of years pros have been so fucking stale. APA (shit talking zigs) has been refreshing. I hope they learned something from the loss.
he could try and make the entertainment product more entertaining by not gurgling his lane opponents nut when he goes to international events
but to be like that he should at least be close to good no?
I mean he won his league, and was the best performing member on his team today. He's doing what he can with his limited experience, and is at least being himself rather than just mentally giving up because he's vs an Asian team.
yes your absolutly right with that, but i mean comon he had like 1,5 years or so now in TL and still didnt bother to advance his champpool somehow. thats what i mean and bothers me. hes not showing he wants to improve imo.
This was his first full split on an LCS roster, its been closer to .75 years (including off season) than it is to 1.5 years. I agree that if he cant develop his champ pool by the next split or 2 then theres a serious issue, but I'd rather the guy develop a comfortable playstyle of his own and then branch out from there rather than just brute forcing "meta" picks and losing his own identity as a player.
Taliyah, Ziggs, ASol, Cassiopeia, Neeko, Syndra, Ahri, Orianna, Azir and Tristana. You can say he's not the best at the last 4 - but they are apart of his champion pool, the idea that he's a 2-3 trick is just absurd. His Cassiopeia especially is pretty nice, unfortunately the champion is fucking dogwater atm.
Ngl though like id rather watch someone shut up and put up a good performance rather than have him say ONE controversial "rile up" thing during an entire 3 game series and literally show 0 ability to play like its not like he's constantly talking, they highlighted like one thing he said and he stopped talking bc him and the team were getting absolutely rolled like "have some fun and try to make it entertaining" sounds like such a cope thing to say when he said 1 thing, and then proceeded to show the most unremarkable performance that is not even enjoyable to watch.
i mean if he wants to dish out flame then he has to be able to take it as well
Is it entertaining? It's mostly just annoying unfunny shit he types in all chat.
I mean, bashing on him for trash talking isn't the same as not wanting him to trash talk. That's like the whole thing with trash talking and why it's entertaining. It spices things up, and the unspoken agreement is "if I back my trash talk up, I'm funny and the best. If I don't, then I deserve to be shit on for it". Fans buy in, players (should) buy in (if they trash talk), and we shouldn't get offended on players' behalves for getting clowned when trash talk backfires. That's part of the fun. Clowning APA is fun, but it's not like I want him to stop doing what he's doing.
So is that where you are as an NA fan? "Sure, the guy's not a good league player, but at least he's a good clown." Is the option to demand respectful and hard-working players who earn fanbase by consistent attitude and performances no longer there?
Flaming is fun when you can back it up. You trash talk somebody who is in your own tier, not the guys on another planet. G2 is fun, APA is cringe. Even G2 is moving towards cringe category year after year tho.
Wunder tweeted in 2019 "Ready for the fastest bo5 of all time?", that's one of the sickest tweets to actually come true. That's fun trash talk.
Yep. And it was fun when he trash talked FPX before the final because there was real chance of doing something.
All for the exact same result as TOP vs TL xD
Nah flaming is fun regardless, if you can’t back it up everyone laughs at you and if you can back it up it’s hype
thats what make it funny lmao you guys needs to go outside a bit if thats the type of yaping that is enough to tilt keyboard warriors , i understand why league community are just softy i guess it will be the last time riot will share some bits of all chatting
>it’s cringe to lose This is why NA and EU became soulless. Because our own fans gaslit them into never showing any personality ever lest they get dunked on
This need to be the mentality all NA proplayer needs to have. At this pt, LCS is just a laughing stock n online community just going to sht on them no matter what anyway. Not like online community is making any effort to try to improve LCS, is on these proplayers back.
We get shit on even if we win games. There is no pleasing this community so you might as well make them seethe even more by doing something they dont like and then telling them you have basically blocked them.
How is it on the community to improve LCS?
idk what exactly can improve LCS but we can definitely use a lot less on the negativity for LCS orgs/players. Is crazy to me how no matter what place LCS orgs/players are at, ppl hyper focus on the negative than the positive. Maybe because all the NA costreamers also do the same, maybe is just a NA thing. Most LCS post-game discussions on reddit are always flaming something/someone. The few i remember that had more positive sentiment to it was Fall2023 finals with NRG vs. C9. Whereas if you look at OK BRION in LCK, they are mostly a bottom tier team but ppl still hype around the team/players. Making names for some players like General Umti, Lord Morgan, etc.
Shitting on individual players is horrible, but LCS orgs deserve all the negativity they receive for trying to pay to win pro games. You can't just throw money at "better" players and expect to win more, especially when there's a language barrier. Especially when these players are leaving any kind of support network they had when they live in their homeland.
no reason to overestimate the influence of shittalking anyways. you might get in some people's heads, but the momentum of games changes regularly, players make mistakes and teams throw. it happens, but then the selective perception kicks in. just like the "caster curse", or "my team plays better, if i don't watch". you can do much more damage in the actual game with a single play. talking shit might get his performance closer to that goal. don't know. i'm not here to judge
It's pretty obvious that most of na thinks like this or maybe they would perform a bit better.
I'm all for talking shit in all-chat, but I think this should be saved for when you are on equal footing to your opponent or at least putting up a good fight. Typing in all-chat when your team is losing games in 20 min and 20k gold behind is just embarrassing
As someone who was at the LCS finals, the crowd was cheering super hard when the interviewer asked APA to flame at MSI and he agreed to it. So you can't really blame him when clearly people enjoy it.
I 100% agree with typing when even or close, but I disagree with typing when behind being embarrassing is you are someone who typed when even or ahead too, which he does. If you only banter when winning or even, you’re a coward and to me that’s embarrassing. The only caveat is of course if you’re winning and the opponent banters, then of course it’s free game haha.
Nah, I respect people who talk shit regardless of standing.
You know what would make an entertaining product. If LCS could win some international titles
I mean, they don't need to win titles. Just being competitive in some series against good teams would be nice already.
For that one would need to let go of their delusions, set reasonable expectations, grind to meet them and then move on from there. Every year the expectations for and from NA teams are so whack.
Well he doesn't have to care anything about what random redditors say, but he should care about today's result, which was abysmal to say the least.
Probably accurate coming from a solo q grinder. Not that its a bad thing though, kid probably has better mental than 90% of the west.
Well, he should focus a little more
There is literally no expectations for NA to make it out of groups or make it to the semi's, yet they continue to collapse under pressure when it comes to the international stage. It's the same story every single year lmao.
Nay he focusing on competitive yapping
Maybe he did better in his lane, His team got gapped harder but that is to be expected with jkl and Meiko and tian the 3 solid world champs. NA mental
dw mate your gameplay says you don't care, you don't have to say it in an interview.
People would appreciate the trash talk if there was even an ounce of fight being put up against these top teams, but these performances are just objectively bad, and that's reflected in how every loss is just a methodical crush. Good, focus on your team's performance. We'll stop making fun of the trash talk when your gameplay is in the same dimension as the top regions.
My issue with APA is only that his trash talk isn't *entertaining*. Many have made the comparison to Wunder but imo Wunder's jabs were much funnier. If G2 had lost to TL at MSI the "get ready for the fastest bo3" would've been fun to meme about and I can even see him getting in on the joke. Also the "what is going on" ms paint thing is just funny. APA on the other hand is just writing lame stuff like "3 bans?" and "i see how you teamfight". How is that entertaining? Where's the fun in that? Wunder comes off as cocky or playfully mean, like you could love to hate him if you're on the receiving end of his banter. APA just comes off as a dick even if you're on his side. Honestly, if he could back up his trashtalk I'd hate it just the same.
I think the biggest difference between wunder and apa is that wunder has skill to back it up. If you are all bark and no bite soon people will find that trash talk annoying. It doesn't mean that you have to win every game for the right to have trash talk. But a defeat on a long run makes trash talk more annoying. If apa and tl keep on performing poorly, soon the fans and the Reddit sentiment would change for apa trash talk.
true, and a "nice try" from someone who is destroying you has a different, casket building-like taste. in this case the offender could seize the moment for maximum, spiritual-cognitive alphadom. wunder is a good guy, so he didn't do that
Banter and trashtalk can be fun and engaging. Yapping every fucking game cause it's part of your "personality" (road to clout more like) is not that. People making comparisons to real sports trashtalking legends is hysterical to me let alone established players with moments of trash talk.
Gotta admit though that I've only sporadically followed the LCS. If anyone can show me actually entertaining banter from him please do.
That's the best thing I've heard from him. Maybe they can take a game off of EU next.
There is still a redemption arc, which is beating fnc after geng 3-0 stomps them and puts them down in the loser bracket vs TL
He focused on chat . At this point trick2g is way better than apa
probably should focus a bit more
He should care about that 3-0 this morning instead of yapping.
ofc he doesn't care bcs he knows NA is trash and he is mid af
Abysmal performance
What performance is this clown talking about?
apa waiting to go back to na to be the shit on the top of the pile of shit. still hasnt realized it still makes him shit.
So he just yaps and will continue yapping regardless of the results because “you guys didn’t like us anyway and I don’t care about your opinion “. They wonder why fans don’t take the region seriously.
and people defend him like his personality is a beacon for NA to stand on LOL. guys if THIS is your representative then the scene has truly fallen into the mud
Nobody in LPL or LCK would say ‘I don’t care about how people view our region’. They’d get flamed to death..
Never understood the APA hate. Can tell people have never watched sports in their life. Go check out Chael Sonnen. It's great for NA and TL to have a heel like this. It makes it more entertaining, imagine one of the eastern mids claps back and you get a lil rivalry going between teams. If all you care about is watching the highest quality of League and expecting the utmost respect and professionalism idk why you're watching NA play. You're clearly watching it for the entertainment factor... So let it be entertaining and let APA have his fun.
> Chael Sonnen Yeah, someone who could actually compete with the best in his sports. Having heels is fun, if they can compete, having a stupid kid trash talking Ngannou outside of the ring when he could put him into a coma by dropping his dick on their forehead is just sad to watch.
Lol. He isn't even putting up a fight tho? A rivalry would be great if it wasn't chat only but also actual gameplay
Okay here's some perspective for you, known trash talkers in the NA scene and you tell me when these players are good enough by your metric to have this banter. APA Jojopyun Zven Fudge Vulcan Doublelift Now if you're actually going to go down the list player by player and say yeah he's good enough, nah he's not good enough. Maybe you just let them be entertaining and have fun with it. Either he trash talks and wins or he gets destroyed after trash talking and the haters are happy.
No they ain't.
Except it's not entertaining when the one trash talking is complete garbage and a detriment to his team every single time. When someone trash talks and backs it up in any capacity it can get interesting and rivalries can form. But when there isn't even a competition, trash talk just becomes a joke that you get tired of real quick. Like, if I was in a game we were losing super hard and my deadweight midlaner was still typing in all chat I'd just be shaking my head. Impact and Core are probably cringing inside
Complete detriment to his team, who was their best overall performer in play-offs, besides a few series from Yeon and was finals MVP. Also the only one who looked like he had a pulse vs TES, while also being "banned out". Such a complete detriment. Impact and Core should be cringing, because they are the veterans and were fucking embarassing vs TES.
Winning LCS means anything these days..? Going by FQ and TL performances so far I'd say that train passed years ago
Stop the cap! Stop the cap!
I mean fans at this point are relevant since NA is losing them all and they are in a damn death spiral right now
No you dipshit are focused on bm in chat.
Yeah we could see how they focus on their own team performance. I mean congrats. They got really close to beating their own record in fastes BO5 loss
Who is this guy?
I feel the losers always say they don’t care tho… Gotta stand out against that, just say u felt bad and maybe ppl will cut you some slacks
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Apa is one of if not the biggest grinders in NA. You’re completely off base here
the biggest grinder in na can only play 3 champs? tes left ahri and azir open and he cant play either???
It certainly doesn’t show in his gameplay.
Yeah he went from not even being considered for an academy spot to winning LCS in under 2 years and the most informed Redditor thinks he’s not even putting in any work.
I find it hilarious that most reddit commentors set the bar at being at least as good as the top 10 players in the world, else you're absolute garbo that doesn't even try
I didn't compare him to a top 10 player in the world nor do I expect him to be as good as them. He obviously tries if he really grinds so much, but he still has the same small champ pool he had when he first joined the LCS almost a year ago, he also still has games where he looks kinda lost and is a big reason his team loses. I don't doubt that he tries to improve and works on it, but I just don't see the improvement one would expect if he grinds so much. I don't think it's unfair or unreasonable to expect him to expand his champ pool after playing in LCS for 10 months, but every time he is of his comfort picks he looks kinda lost, so it doesn't seem like he is practicing other champs much.
I'm sorry but what performance? I think with my gold friends we could have been more competitive
No you don't
If he ended up beating FNC in the lower bracket all these EU salts are gonna look silly af lol