Hear me out, Huma would be an absolute beast if league still had the open circuit format. It's like he cant switch the brain on unless there is consequences to a game.
Hes the most obvious example, but that works for every great or even good player we ever had in the west.
Imagine how high Caps could peak if he had constant practice vs players like Chovy, Knight, Faker, Rookie etc
Imagine Razork getting to practice against LPL junglers and seeing him hone his style
Think about our botlanes actually getting pushed by well coordinated kill lanes that LPL and LCK botlanes can run
Imagine our teams having to deal with LCK macro and LPL early pressure more than twice a year
Man, im getting fucking sad, we really need an open circut to get a chance to catch up to the East
The main difference between FNC and G2 is no one expected FNC to win where as G2 was the overwhelming favourite for the tournament with their only competition as T1 which they beat.
There is the chance for a western team to reach the final however, I doubt there will ever be a western team going into the finals that's a favourite to win.
As a fan I actually had hopes for FNC in the final lol. I remember FNC beating IG in the group stages and hope that they could replicate that in the finals. Buuut they got turbo stomped
Because 2019 G2 was still a level above the strength of that 2018 FNC. There was a genuine chance that G2 were going to be world champions and it was a shock how easily they got stomped on the final.
2018 was LCK's absolute worst year to the point where it's in a league of it own in terms of bad performances and LPL wasn't the consistent powerhouse that they were going to become yet
i love fnatic for making finals since it actually gave hope that it could happen in the future given the right circumstances
but unlike G2's run, FNC's run / tournament was filled with asterisks of, LCK literally sucked, EDG having EDG deft go TP jayce only for him to arguably play his worst ever adc game while having that atrocious TP play
RNG were in turmoil and went from a team who legit had been unstoppable throughout the entire year while being on route to achieve the golden road to going to a team where they're struggling to an in hindsight very flawed G2 (perkz performance was absolutely legit though)
and to make things worse the one team who actually had a solid floor / ceiling / understanding of the meta drew fucking IG in the quarter finals, aka the one other consistent / competent team
the true finals literally was in the quarterfinals that year and it sucks for me as a fnatic fan because i want them to win but i want them to win where the win is legit and can't be downplayed.
i 100% believe that damwon could have won worlds or atleast played better than 6/8 teams at that worlds if they weren't a new / challenger team
that was how inconsistent teams were
>EDG having EDG deft go TP jayce only for him to arguably play his worst ever adc game while having that atrocious TP play
I don't disagree with your overall point, but this was 2015 when Fnatic swept EDG 3-0.
ah yea you're right, i mixed up the years
given that i mixed up the 2 series, i can't really talk back about EDG back in S5 without rewatching to make sure i'm not saying stupid stuff
the point still stands that that year alot of teams just weren't figuring things out enough to be a consistent / strong team, which doesn't seem to happen to asian teams lately aside from VERY limited cases
Agreed - but it's a bit unfair on Fnatic because they can't control any of that. They beat the teams in front of them, and they earned an easy path through the brackets by beating IG in the group stage. I agree that they probably weren't the second best team in the world, but they deserve to be acknowledged as making the world finals legitimately.
unfair? ofcourse it's unfair, it's competition with a ton of RNG elements
it's unfair to RNG that the meta shifted massively for worlds when they were on route to achieve the golden road
it's unfair that KT who won their group drew IG in quarters (who in hindsight might have been the only truly capable team at that tournament)
it's unfair that S7 G2 got stuck in a group of death when they were great while they got an absolute group of life the year beforehand where they just weren't good
you know what else would be unfair?
it'd be equally unfair to put G2's S9 run on the same level as Fnatic's run, FNC's competition just wasn't there. it's not to the fault of FNC but it's the reality, if they played a solid and close final then maybe but it felt 100% doom barely 5 minutes in for nearly all of their games
i am not being harsh or dismissive to FNC's run i'm just being realistic, competition isn't fair, Some runs aren't equal to others, that's it
and let me make this crystal clear, Fnatic's run was legendary because do you know how much people mocked the all european team announcement that FNC did back in the start of S7?
it was ridiculed and then somehow we're in S8 and that same all european roster -jezis +hyllisang was in the actual finals of worlds
something that was just unthinkeable, period
but what happened after S8's run? G2 somehow makes this all european superteam and end up winning MSI while getting to finals by beating not only Damwon but also SKT in a best of 5 - full european basically became G2's mantra
where did i say their run wasn't legitimate? just because i say there are "buts / asterisks" behind their run that doesn't mean that i believe that their run wasn't legitimate
it's just that other finalists runs are MORE legitimate due to the already mentioned reasons, it's that simple.
>but they deserve to be acknowledged as making the world finals legitimately.
it all depends on how you'd define "legitimately"
to some people, good competition is a requirement to have a "legitimate run", other people argue that the fact that FNC wasn't the second best team in the world meant that their run wasn't legitimate and i don't know man but i believe that both of these views are completely reasonable takes to have
2016 EDG lost to Brazil in their first game of groups so you weren’t far off. 2018 was much more hopeful for them (I suppose 2015 was too until the TP incident).
>RNG were in turmoil and went from a team who legit had been unstoppable throughout the entire year while being on route to achieve the golden road to going to a team where they're struggling to an in hindsight very flawed G2 (perkz performance was absolutely legit though)
Yes and no.
What really changed everything regarding RNG/IG and FNC/G2 was the meta changes. The entire year was about playing for bot, and the rework of Akali, Aatrox, Urgot before Worlds changed it up and made it extremely solo-lane focused.
FNC's biggest strenght was its botlane, but both Caps and (especially) Bwipo showed up as young talented players (Bwipo making his debut pretty much at MSI, and Caps being in his 2nd year). Caps was kinda carried by Hyli and Broxah though.
G2 almost didn't qualify that year and it could have gone either way between themselves, a solo lane focused team, and Upset's team (I think it was Schalke ?), and the meta favored Upset's team at the time, but G2 qualified ahead. They almost lost to UoL in playins, barely qualified after that, and somehow eliminated RNG.
RNG/IG were two very different teams, with RNG being unstoppable that year and IG being beaten at every occasion. But the meta change hurt RNG a lot against a G2 that benefited from it (that plus, obviously, a stellar performance from the entire team, but especially Perkz and Wunder). On the other hand, IG was on the backfoot the entire year but Rookie and TheShy took the advantage coming with the meta change and stomped the rest of the tournament.
At the end of the day, what angers me the most was the whole thing about China clowning on Europe that year, which wasn't true. FNC eliminated EDG, G2 eliminated RNG, and both teams lost to IG. Had any of them won against them, Europe would have eliminated every single chinese team that year.
>(that plus, obviously, a stellar performance from the entire team, but especially Perkz and Wunder)
Honestly, don't sleep on Hjarnan and Wadid. The expectation was for them to get blasted, and that was true early on in the series, but in every next game they were closer, and in the last game, Hjarnan went *up* on CS against Uzi, if I remember correctly.
Not to mention that Hjarnan is also the one who flashed forward to hit Uzi with a 4th shot that deleted more than half his health bar in the final teamfight, allowing Perkz to flash in and kill him.
Edit: Oh yeah, and of course RNG was playing with one fewer ban thanks to Hjarnan.
You know what ? That have been my position for years and I'm happy to see someone else talk about Hjarnan and Wadid. You're absolutely right. Everyone expected them to get blasted, since they were the "worse" part of G2 against the single best botlane in the World, but they museled Uzi like it had rarely been done before. The image of Uzi getting killed with a thousand wards put on Thresh's lantern will never disappear from my mind.
Their job wasn't to beat Uzi, it was to contain it, and they did it extremely well. They deserve the shout out.
but it kinda was true
they didn't just lose to IG, they lost 3-0 where not a single game felt winnable, that's why people say "china" clowned EU
it's because IG did just that.
> Yes and no.
explain the no please, what are you saying no to exactly if i may ask
China didn't clown EU. IG clowned EU, and would have very likely clowned RNG too for exemple had they met them. Regional match up are often different because the teams know each other, but remember Perkz and Wunder clowning on Xiaohu and Letme ? Now imagine Rookie and theShy.
>explain the no please
They weren't "in turmoil", in that the change came from the outside, not just them being worse players at Worlds that they had been the rest of the year. they got hit by a meta change that dismantled their playstyle.
it's still true
IG "from china" clowned our best teams from EU
"yea but only IG clowned on EU so technically ..."
Dude it's professional esports, EU got clowned BY IG who is from china in the transition year where from this point forwards chinese teams really end up dominating competitve esports and caring for semantics "is so lame" just take the L gracefully
We faced a single chinese team who actually had their shit together in that thournament and got our asses handed to them with no chance of winning a game out of 6 games played
from that point onwards chinese teams really end up ramping up and became consistent / dominating
S8 was a transition year where somehow IG winning worlds reinvigorated china as a region while the LCK was going through their worst year ever due to their preferred style of play just not being viable anymore
it was in every sense of the word an anomaly year, both in terms of LCK being shit and LPL being inconsistent (to be fair china weren't consistent or "as good" before S8 i am talkiing about the POST S8 period for LPL at international events) -> which is why i said it's a transition year where the region as a whole figured stuff out
EU got clowned by china, by a chinese team. period
i'd have to rewatch the RNG vs G2 series but i remember having the opinion that RNG just looked uncharacteristically bad / pressured to do things as if they had to, that's why i hold the opinion that they were in turmoil as in they were in turmoil because the meta shifted in such a way that they couldn't play the way they've won the entire year and were forcing themselves on plays that they weren't sure if they could work or not because they weren't familiar to the new meta
telliing me they weren't in turmoil only for you to then give the exact same reason as to why i think they were in turmoil as a reason as to why they weren't in turmoil (aka meta shift) is literally a semantics / perspective thing
if you'd ask me why i think they were in turmoil then i would have responded something that would have been similar to your answer here
> in that the change came from the outside, not just them being worse players at Worlds that they had been the rest of the year. they got hit by a meta change that dismantled their playstyle.
they just played soo desperate for a team who was known to win the entire year, that's it that's the reason for the turmoil comment
Most tournaments have at least 1 team flopping, let's be honest. That's the beauty of the game. Upsets make a sport great. If all goes as planned, people stop watching because the greats can't be great if they're never toppled, and the underdogs never bother if they have no chance
i could not disagree more with this opinion
the beauty of this game is great and exciting league of legends this somehow isn't exclusive to upsets..
and in a hypothetical world where upsets somehow aren't possible we'd still have teams playing great and exciting league of legends
because do you know what you're not considering when you talk about upsets?
1) it's when 2 teams are slightly weaker / stronger than one another
we still wouldn't know who would win this match. (because the weaker team beating a slightly stronger team isn't an upset, that is not the definition of the word)
2) teams who are weak / strong don't stay weak / strong, especially considering there's an entire month long bootcamp leading up to worlds
yeah in a hypothetical world where we rank teams from 1-10 and then say without fail the team who is ranked highest will win and we know who is ranked highest it'd be a absolute garbage vieiwing experience
but that is not how the competitive scene would be "if there weren't any upsets"
also to adress your statement about upsets making things alot more exciting, Upsets are exciting in the moment but usually they affect the tournament somewhere further down the line in a negative way
because for every "DRX" there are 20 cases of an upset resulting in a less exciting series down the line
yea DRX's run was absolutely incredible due to the sheer ammount of defied expectations but if you look back at the history of every single upset and saw what the upset resulted in you'd understand that usually they aren't that great
when Alliance got upset by kabum we were robbed from an absolute banger 3 way tie where anything could happen but they lost and the fans lost out in the end (not the people who disliked eu or were brazil fans obviously)
when ANX beat ROX and qualified to quarters only to them get 3-0 by H2K (G2 sucked and maybe CLG wasn't going to do better but you'd expect NA's 2nd seed to do better atleast
when G2 upset RNG only to get smashed by IG in the following series
When TL upset IG only for them to be on the first row in the fastest best of 5 series ever played
when G2 upset both Damwon and SKT only to be 0-3ed by FPX where the games felt unwinnable. (i fuckiing love them for it but man the final series hurts, as a fan of great league of legends it hurts knowing that SKT VS FPX would have been such a banger series)
LNG probably could have done better than mad lions back in S11 worlds
FPX being mental boomed resulted in C9 advancing and being 3-0ed by genG
yea upsets are very exciting because they defy expectations but an like 80 % of the cases they just result in a weaker / less exciting series later down the line
especially with the old worlds groups system where atrocious groups were very common
Because thats the most fradulent final of all time. They faced zero korean teams on their way their and had the weakest bracket of all time with a semi vs c9. Its also was when Korea was in its arguably weakest form of all time. Fnatic 2018 was nowhere near as good as 2019 g2 who was legitimately the best team in the world for most of that year. G2's competiton was also much stronger. 2019 T1 was far better than the teams of 2018, as even the best korean team in kt was very flawed. Rng and Ig were phenomenal teams but were on the otherside of the bracket and edg was nowhere near close to those teams.
Absolute nonsense.
FNC beat IG the eventual champions 2-1 in groups. They were the best two teams at the tournament and both deserved to be in the final.
Basically what CS does, you have regional qualifiers and then play international tournaments with top teams having guaranteed sposts as far as im aware. You can think about it as having playins + worlds/msi multiple times a year instead of only twice since there are no regional leagues
Multiple TOs running numerous tournaments throughout the year with international teams across the world competing. No regional leagues, nothing ran and controlled by riot.
But didn't europe basically never find success before open circuit was removed? The only exception was M5 at a time when western pro players still had a slight advantage. They did repeat that I think early in S3 as Gambit gaming, winning a smaller tournament against asian competition. But that was it. After those the most success europe had happened after that.
EU did very well in open circuit days. In csgo NA has significantly less players and teams than EU/CIS but with an open circuit they created teams that could win tournaments.
LoL being closed and the fact CN players can play soloQ on Korean server and scrim Korean teams mean the west will never catch up.
You're forgetting that the LCK and LPL teams aren't nearly as good if they're playing an open circuit. The consistent practice of a highly competitive league is what created the gap.
Combine the two. Open circuit Jan-Aug, and then regional summer splits into world's Aug-Dec. Orgs get more international exposure, players more experience, fans more international games, lower tier regions can level up. The only people that lose are the high level LCK and LPL teams, like T1 that always competes internationally anyways. But the lower tier teams in those regions get more exposure for the organizations and players. It even saves Right money because they would only have to worry about one split and one international tournament.
I feel like Caps is a great example he was so mediocre when playing from home or in an empty studio and the moment the crowd came back he became his old self again.
going back to an open circuit would be interesting, partly because of the salary/price money dynamic. right now the vast majority of money players earn is salary, price money is effectively irrelevant. an open circuit would shift that dynamic more towards price money and less towards salary because after all, why pay a big salary to players who dont perform? thats sort of the issue eu/na has. franchising means theres no penalty in performing badly, so you have tons of people earning paychecks they dont really deserve in my opinion. lck/lpl has enough talent depth to not run into this issue and they do seem to have a more tryhard mindset but especially in EU, its getting more and more apparent recently that the top ERL teams are more professional, more disciplined and more motivated than half the LEC teams but it doesnt help the region much because relegation no longer exists. franchising was a mistake imo and its seriously hard to reverse the franchising. in NA it could be done more reasonably due to spots not having much value left but EU for example? Mate, Riot would have to pay 40m€+ for every spot, thats like 400m to reverse franchising in EU alone and this makes it so hard to change anything now.
Monte said Humanoid is like "the man born with the perfect dick, perfect size and curvature, who can please every woman - but he only gets hard when sleeping with Chinese and Korean supermodels" And honestly I have never heard a better description of this man
Almost a bit like Cryin. Dude was inting against some medicore Chinese mids but while wasn't better than him, performed pretty admirably into peak Showmaker.
Not armchair diagnosing him but that's a typical ADHD thing. I have inattentive ADHD and I recognize a TON of my behaviour in his. When I watch his interviews it's like I'm watching myself after a mentally exhausting task.
Wendy's spicy nuggets dipped in their chocolate frosty is the bomb.
Is this going to be the new pineapple on pizza? We're going to have a street fight between the meat dippers and the fry dippers?
IMO it's not THAT weird. It's not like meat and dairy are inherently incompatible. It's not like traditionally salty foods aren't regularly mixed with sweet foods. Hell, it's not like all ice cream is even sweet.
Pretty sure I've seen plenty of weird restaurant dishes mixing ice cream with just about everything.
When I went to the US last year I learned they are mixing soda with vanilla icecream. Depending on the soda they call it fanta float, coke float and there was also a special michigan-local-only-soda (~~i forgot the name though~~ EDIT: someone's comment made me google for it and it was Vernors). When I inquired, I was also told iced coffee (here in europe usually vanilla icecream with cold brew coffee) would also be called coffee float.
It did taste not bad though. Just regular sugar syrup with vanilla ice cream (that means, even more sugar :D)
Only country that isn’t allowed to shit talk root beer is italy because by god I’ve given chinotto so many chances and it makes me die inside every time.
Man, I seriously need to buy a bottle of cough syrup whenever I finally get to make a trip over to Eu.
Sounds like yall have some good shit there lmao.
I think we just have shit dr pepper/root beer. Because cough syrup is sweet af and hard to swallow more than 1 spoon. Always makes me cringe like biting into a lemon.
It was a soda made from the sasafrass tree (not anymore because fda banned a compound in it) but it’s more of a sweet, herbal, almost earthier cola. So it isn’t as sharp as a ginger beer.
Australians have been doing that for ages too, I believe it's called a spider over there, cos of the shape the bubbles make around the scoop of icecream
TIL other countries don't do this with soda and ice cream. It seems so basic to us Americans that it never even crossed my mind that someone wouldn't even know about it
We live in a world where people put cheese and grapes on a skewer and find it tasty, for some godforsaken reason. Meat and ice cream doesn't sound that much more disgusting.
THE Marek Brazda is a pioneer that defies common sense and emotions acting on cold logic to invent new ways to challenge himself every single day. Outside the rift and on it he conquers any ordeal with his steeled mind to bring EU back to the top!
It's crazy to me that we have a player that is knows solely because of his international performance and gets a domestic pass (I'm not saying he's bad by any means, but when he gets there you're glad he's here)
> gets a domestic pass
He gets a domestic pass because even when he is not giving a fuck he is still at least top 3.
If Caps was not a thing, Humanoid would have been the uncontested top 1 midlaner in Europe.
He's clearly top 2 in EU. It's sad that EU used to be known for mid lane talent and now he and Caps are the only world class ones. Larssen seems like he's not even trying that hard anymore, Nuc has a lot to improve on, VTO is inconsistent as fuck, it's kinda sad.
He is nowhere near in same stratosphere as Caps. Caps dogwalking Humanoid is the main reason why G2 beats Fnatic even with a bot lane of rookie Flakked and rookie Targamas against Upset-Hyli.
Which just points to the midlane problems in europe when it used to be the "EU MIDS" meme.
We only have Caps and a guy who doesnt give a shit for 80% of the year.
Its a shame Larssen isnt challenging anymore and no other mids are stepping up
Bruh Larssen is on Rogue, it's cooked from the get go. Saken isn't LEC calibre, and Jackies, Fresskowy, and Zywroo are rookies. There goes half the League.
Huma does have a decent team around him, lets not forget about that. Thats what allows him to get into international tournaments in the first place whenever he performs mediocre.
most other players dont have that luxury, you can ask larssen all about that
Holy Humanoid fanboyism is strong.
Nemesis sht on him %90 of the games they played for 2 years but he in an unlikable guy so nobody mentions it
Larsenn after getting reverse swept by Huma (mainly Armut and Elyoya but let's go with that) literally next year reverse swept Humanoid by gapping the living piece out of it picking Sylas 3 games in a row.
Freaking Freskowy 1 v 9ed Game 5 because he gapped Humanoid.
How is this an uncontested top 1 mid laner? Reality is this guy is a really good laner even in international standards but then he is just average.
I find it really hard to be a fan of him 'cos it's so annoying watching his domestic performances, then you see him internationally and it's retrospectively even more annoying 'cos it's like you are actually capable of this and I watched through how many games of just not giving a shit?
He’s been getting better tho, I think Winter and Spring 2023 gave him a big reality check. I get the feeling that in the back of his mind he thought worlds was a given every season, then suddenly comes a year when it’s not that simple and he actually has to give his all domestically to get his coveted international experience.
I dont think its an intentional not giving a shit, i think he is probably doing his best in regular season but just legit cant perform the same when the preassure isnt on
LB is *the* anti-LPL missile lol.
In addition to Huma and Perkz' LB, you also have:
* Larssen's LB was doing work vs. JDG in 2022.
* Showmaker's LB was scary as fck vs. JDG in 2022.
* Gori's LB did pretty well vs. BLG in 2023
Then you have Worlds 2021, where both TL and MAD had huge wins on LB vs. LNG. On the other side of the bracket, you also had DK and RGE killing FPX with... you guessed it, LB.
Moral of the story? *fucking pick Leblanc vs. LPL*. The region seems to have collective amnesia when playing against Leblanc.
^(success not guaranteed)
I will say for JDG, Yagao was also not the best mid out there. That JDG team was hard carried by 369 and Kanavi. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but 369 had a whopping 15 cs lead average at 15 minutes in worlds 2022. The only player outside of adc close to that I can find in a tournament is Zeus 2023 worlds at 13.5, and the next I can find are Xiaohu 2021 MSI and Zoom 2020 worlds at 11.7 and 11.6. And Xiaohu's are inflated because 8 of those games were playins.
He solokilled Xiaohu as Yasuo vs Ryze early or mid game but he didn't destroy him or anything. Caps also didn't turn that lead into anything meaningful, and then RNG just won as the better team.
I don't think Caps actually destroyed a Chinese or Korean mid in 2019, but he did clap BDD in 2020 worlds quarters. 2019 vs SKT they were mostly losing early game and having insane comebacks, while vs Damwon I don't particularly remember a big mid gap either.
I'm not discounting that he did very well, I just don't think "destroyed" is a good descriptor either. Faker going too far forward and dying once on Qiyana late game doesn't mean that Caps suddenly gapped him hard. I do think Caps was better than Showmaker in their series with how well he roamed with Jankos, but I don't think he destroyed him either.
Yeah that’s fair, I’m just glad at least one western mid has that dawg in him
Caps probably does too
Also tbf Creme beat people like Yagao Xiaohu Scout and Rookie
I didn’t watch all of the LPL playoffs. Did he actually outclass the other LPL mids? or did he get carried by his teammates? Ik 369 has been giga smurfing, Tian was good in playoffs, and JKL/Meiko is a top tier botlane.
Creme was good, but not as good as the rest of his team or Knight. Compared to other mids he was good. One reason why Knight picked Azir which he isn't very good at was to deny Creme the champion. Xiaohu and especially Scout are slumping, Yagao was never really a top mid, and Rookie is good but has the perpetual Rookie problem of being inted by his teammates.
> This is Cream's first international event so I wouldn't get too hyped just yet
i mean youre 2nd place in the most competitive league and on top of that MSI is played in his home region, you could hardly make an international debut any easier. humanoid performing internationally isnt a new narrative, to get that reputation in the first place he had to do well vs some of the best mid laners from the east in the past which he did.
Cream is just not very good, and has never been. He is incredibly lucky to have a spot on TES with 3/5 players contending to be the best in the world at their roles.
Man that shit was so broken. You can just watch that highlight reel clip of his sylas gameplay. Dude literally insta killed Ruler with an E2/W, and healed like 70% of his health bar per W.
I think they will either take games off Geng, or lose even harder trying to get plays going that backfire horribly. Huma vs Chovy is gonna be hype as fuck though
Definitely. Would definitely be about damn time for kiin, chovy to show up at internationals. (Chovy mainly, but kiin is lowkey not showing up intl).
If not then yeah fnc can do stuff.
Chovy was never that bad at internationals that he shit the bed against western teams though. I’m waiting to see how Chovy plays against ngl, hopefully he plays up to his lvl form and completely dumpsters knight
The chaos will still make the game look closer, because they actually fight. The clock might say otherwise, but the series will appear less as a walk for GenG that way.
But for many people, the clock is what matters. Which is why MAD is so memed, despite fighting harder for that ridiculously quick loss than many NA teams.
Kinda wish Humanoid would get imported to some midtable team in LPL. i think it would be fun to watch him grow there competing with lots of good midlaner there.
Care is just a passenger on FPX. I think only the top laner is somehow trying to play above average. But we saw what happens in bo5 when they only rely on Milkman. They will tank in summer and end up in 6-8 place.
The problem tho is that LPL salaries aren't insanely high compared to LEC and LCS offers, and LPL teams would rather just chance it on academy/new players (JDG Sheer) or less known players.
>We heard about your PCs being capped at 80 FPS and you were one of the last teams to arrive in China
>Humanoid: "Yeah, I mean... The PC issue tends to happen pretty often at international tournaments. I genuinely don't understand how it's possible that these kinds of problems keep happening every time.
Us neither my dude
Us neither...
Hear me out, Huma would be an absolute beast if league still had the open circuit format. It's like he cant switch the brain on unless there is consequences to a game.
Hes the most obvious example, but that works for every great or even good player we ever had in the west. Imagine how high Caps could peak if he had constant practice vs players like Chovy, Knight, Faker, Rookie etc Imagine Razork getting to practice against LPL junglers and seeing him hone his style Think about our botlanes actually getting pushed by well coordinated kill lanes that LPL and LCK botlanes can run Imagine our teams having to deal with LCK macro and LPL early pressure more than twice a year Man, im getting fucking sad, we really need an open circut to get a chance to catch up to the East
Imagine having teams in the LEC with human GMs Imagine promotions/relegations to promote competition
Open circuit death was the death of competitive western league of legends. 2019 g2 was an anomoly that will never happen again.
Why only 2019 G2? FNC in 2018 managed to reach the final too.
And FNC was strong internationally in 2019 and 2020 too.
The main difference between FNC and G2 is no one expected FNC to win where as G2 was the overwhelming favourite for the tournament with their only competition as T1 which they beat. There is the chance for a western team to reach the final however, I doubt there will ever be a western team going into the finals that's a favourite to win.
As a fan I actually had hopes for FNC in the final lol. I remember FNC beating IG in the group stages and hope that they could replicate that in the finals. Buuut they got turbo stomped
> no one expected FNC to win FNC beat IG 2-1 in groups lol
Meaning that results don't matter only perception before finals? [Cause G2 got stomped as well lol.](https://gol.gg/game/stats/20493/page-summary/)
Because 2019 G2 was still a level above the strength of that 2018 FNC. There was a genuine chance that G2 were going to be world champions and it was a shock how easily they got stomped on the final.
2018 was LCK's absolute worst year to the point where it's in a league of it own in terms of bad performances and LPL wasn't the consistent powerhouse that they were going to become yet i love fnatic for making finals since it actually gave hope that it could happen in the future given the right circumstances but unlike G2's run, FNC's run / tournament was filled with asterisks of, LCK literally sucked, EDG having EDG deft go TP jayce only for him to arguably play his worst ever adc game while having that atrocious TP play RNG were in turmoil and went from a team who legit had been unstoppable throughout the entire year while being on route to achieve the golden road to going to a team where they're struggling to an in hindsight very flawed G2 (perkz performance was absolutely legit though) and to make things worse the one team who actually had a solid floor / ceiling / understanding of the meta drew fucking IG in the quarter finals, aka the one other consistent / competent team the true finals literally was in the quarterfinals that year and it sucks for me as a fnatic fan because i want them to win but i want them to win where the win is legit and can't be downplayed. i 100% believe that damwon could have won worlds or atleast played better than 6/8 teams at that worlds if they weren't a new / challenger team that was how inconsistent teams were
>EDG having EDG deft go TP jayce only for him to arguably play his worst ever adc game while having that atrocious TP play I don't disagree with your overall point, but this was 2015 when Fnatic swept EDG 3-0.
ah yea you're right, i mixed up the years given that i mixed up the 2 series, i can't really talk back about EDG back in S5 without rewatching to make sure i'm not saying stupid stuff the point still stands that that year alot of teams just weren't figuring things out enough to be a consistent / strong team, which doesn't seem to happen to asian teams lately aside from VERY limited cases
Agreed - but it's a bit unfair on Fnatic because they can't control any of that. They beat the teams in front of them, and they earned an easy path through the brackets by beating IG in the group stage. I agree that they probably weren't the second best team in the world, but they deserve to be acknowledged as making the world finals legitimately.
unfair? ofcourse it's unfair, it's competition with a ton of RNG elements it's unfair to RNG that the meta shifted massively for worlds when they were on route to achieve the golden road it's unfair that KT who won their group drew IG in quarters (who in hindsight might have been the only truly capable team at that tournament) it's unfair that S7 G2 got stuck in a group of death when they were great while they got an absolute group of life the year beforehand where they just weren't good you know what else would be unfair? it'd be equally unfair to put G2's S9 run on the same level as Fnatic's run, FNC's competition just wasn't there. it's not to the fault of FNC but it's the reality, if they played a solid and close final then maybe but it felt 100% doom barely 5 minutes in for nearly all of their games i am not being harsh or dismissive to FNC's run i'm just being realistic, competition isn't fair, Some runs aren't equal to others, that's it and let me make this crystal clear, Fnatic's run was legendary because do you know how much people mocked the all european team announcement that FNC did back in the start of S7? it was ridiculed and then somehow we're in S8 and that same all european roster -jezis +hyllisang was in the actual finals of worlds something that was just unthinkeable, period but what happened after S8's run? G2 somehow makes this all european superteam and end up winning MSI while getting to finals by beating not only Damwon but also SKT in a best of 5 - full european basically became G2's mantra where did i say their run wasn't legitimate? just because i say there are "buts / asterisks" behind their run that doesn't mean that i believe that their run wasn't legitimate it's just that other finalists runs are MORE legitimate due to the already mentioned reasons, it's that simple. >but they deserve to be acknowledged as making the world finals legitimately. it all depends on how you'd define "legitimately" to some people, good competition is a requirement to have a "legitimate run", other people argue that the fact that FNC wasn't the second best team in the world meant that their run wasn't legitimate and i don't know man but i believe that both of these views are completely reasonable takes to have
2016 EDG lost to Brazil in their first game of groups so you weren’t far off. 2018 was much more hopeful for them (I suppose 2015 was too until the TP incident).
>RNG were in turmoil and went from a team who legit had been unstoppable throughout the entire year while being on route to achieve the golden road to going to a team where they're struggling to an in hindsight very flawed G2 (perkz performance was absolutely legit though) Yes and no. What really changed everything regarding RNG/IG and FNC/G2 was the meta changes. The entire year was about playing for bot, and the rework of Akali, Aatrox, Urgot before Worlds changed it up and made it extremely solo-lane focused. FNC's biggest strenght was its botlane, but both Caps and (especially) Bwipo showed up as young talented players (Bwipo making his debut pretty much at MSI, and Caps being in his 2nd year). Caps was kinda carried by Hyli and Broxah though. G2 almost didn't qualify that year and it could have gone either way between themselves, a solo lane focused team, and Upset's team (I think it was Schalke ?), and the meta favored Upset's team at the time, but G2 qualified ahead. They almost lost to UoL in playins, barely qualified after that, and somehow eliminated RNG. RNG/IG were two very different teams, with RNG being unstoppable that year and IG being beaten at every occasion. But the meta change hurt RNG a lot against a G2 that benefited from it (that plus, obviously, a stellar performance from the entire team, but especially Perkz and Wunder). On the other hand, IG was on the backfoot the entire year but Rookie and TheShy took the advantage coming with the meta change and stomped the rest of the tournament. At the end of the day, what angers me the most was the whole thing about China clowning on Europe that year, which wasn't true. FNC eliminated EDG, G2 eliminated RNG, and both teams lost to IG. Had any of them won against them, Europe would have eliminated every single chinese team that year.
>(that plus, obviously, a stellar performance from the entire team, but especially Perkz and Wunder) Honestly, don't sleep on Hjarnan and Wadid. The expectation was for them to get blasted, and that was true early on in the series, but in every next game they were closer, and in the last game, Hjarnan went *up* on CS against Uzi, if I remember correctly. Not to mention that Hjarnan is also the one who flashed forward to hit Uzi with a 4th shot that deleted more than half his health bar in the final teamfight, allowing Perkz to flash in and kill him. Edit: Oh yeah, and of course RNG was playing with one fewer ban thanks to Hjarnan.
You know what ? That have been my position for years and I'm happy to see someone else talk about Hjarnan and Wadid. You're absolutely right. Everyone expected them to get blasted, since they were the "worse" part of G2 against the single best botlane in the World, but they museled Uzi like it had rarely been done before. The image of Uzi getting killed with a thousand wards put on Thresh's lantern will never disappear from my mind. Their job wasn't to beat Uzi, it was to contain it, and they did it extremely well. They deserve the shout out.
but it kinda was true they didn't just lose to IG, they lost 3-0 where not a single game felt winnable, that's why people say "china" clowned EU it's because IG did just that. > Yes and no. explain the no please, what are you saying no to exactly if i may ask
China didn't clown EU. IG clowned EU, and would have very likely clowned RNG too for exemple had they met them. Regional match up are often different because the teams know each other, but remember Perkz and Wunder clowning on Xiaohu and Letme ? Now imagine Rookie and theShy. >explain the no please They weren't "in turmoil", in that the change came from the outside, not just them being worse players at Worlds that they had been the rest of the year. they got hit by a meta change that dismantled their playstyle.
it's still true IG "from china" clowned our best teams from EU "yea but only IG clowned on EU so technically ..." Dude it's professional esports, EU got clowned BY IG who is from china in the transition year where from this point forwards chinese teams really end up dominating competitve esports and caring for semantics "is so lame" just take the L gracefully We faced a single chinese team who actually had their shit together in that thournament and got our asses handed to them with no chance of winning a game out of 6 games played from that point onwards chinese teams really end up ramping up and became consistent / dominating S8 was a transition year where somehow IG winning worlds reinvigorated china as a region while the LCK was going through their worst year ever due to their preferred style of play just not being viable anymore it was in every sense of the word an anomaly year, both in terms of LCK being shit and LPL being inconsistent (to be fair china weren't consistent or "as good" before S8 i am talkiing about the POST S8 period for LPL at international events) -> which is why i said it's a transition year where the region as a whole figured stuff out EU got clowned by china, by a chinese team. period i'd have to rewatch the RNG vs G2 series but i remember having the opinion that RNG just looked uncharacteristically bad / pressured to do things as if they had to, that's why i hold the opinion that they were in turmoil as in they were in turmoil because the meta shifted in such a way that they couldn't play the way they've won the entire year and were forcing themselves on plays that they weren't sure if they could work or not because they weren't familiar to the new meta telliing me they weren't in turmoil only for you to then give the exact same reason as to why i think they were in turmoil as a reason as to why they weren't in turmoil (aka meta shift) is literally a semantics / perspective thing if you'd ask me why i think they were in turmoil then i would have responded something that would have been similar to your answer here > in that the change came from the outside, not just them being worse players at Worlds that they had been the rest of the year. they got hit by a meta change that dismantled their playstyle. they just played soo desperate for a team who was known to win the entire year, that's it that's the reason for the turmoil comment
Most tournaments have at least 1 team flopping, let's be honest. That's the beauty of the game. Upsets make a sport great. If all goes as planned, people stop watching because the greats can't be great if they're never toppled, and the underdogs never bother if they have no chance
i could not disagree more with this opinion the beauty of this game is great and exciting league of legends this somehow isn't exclusive to upsets.. and in a hypothetical world where upsets somehow aren't possible we'd still have teams playing great and exciting league of legends because do you know what you're not considering when you talk about upsets? 1) it's when 2 teams are slightly weaker / stronger than one another we still wouldn't know who would win this match. (because the weaker team beating a slightly stronger team isn't an upset, that is not the definition of the word) 2) teams who are weak / strong don't stay weak / strong, especially considering there's an entire month long bootcamp leading up to worlds yeah in a hypothetical world where we rank teams from 1-10 and then say without fail the team who is ranked highest will win and we know who is ranked highest it'd be a absolute garbage vieiwing experience but that is not how the competitive scene would be "if there weren't any upsets" also to adress your statement about upsets making things alot more exciting, Upsets are exciting in the moment but usually they affect the tournament somewhere further down the line in a negative way because for every "DRX" there are 20 cases of an upset resulting in a less exciting series down the line yea DRX's run was absolutely incredible due to the sheer ammount of defied expectations but if you look back at the history of every single upset and saw what the upset resulted in you'd understand that usually they aren't that great when Alliance got upset by kabum we were robbed from an absolute banger 3 way tie where anything could happen but they lost and the fans lost out in the end (not the people who disliked eu or were brazil fans obviously) when ANX beat ROX and qualified to quarters only to them get 3-0 by H2K (G2 sucked and maybe CLG wasn't going to do better but you'd expect NA's 2nd seed to do better atleast when G2 upset RNG only to get smashed by IG in the following series When TL upset IG only for them to be on the first row in the fastest best of 5 series ever played when G2 upset both Damwon and SKT only to be 0-3ed by FPX where the games felt unwinnable. (i fuckiing love them for it but man the final series hurts, as a fan of great league of legends it hurts knowing that SKT VS FPX would have been such a banger series) LNG probably could have done better than mad lions back in S11 worlds FPX being mental boomed resulted in C9 advancing and being 3-0ed by genG yea upsets are very exciting because they defy expectations but an like 80 % of the cases they just result in a weaker / less exciting series later down the line especially with the old worlds groups system where atrocious groups were very common
Its almost as if those 2 teams shared a once in a lifetime talent in the most important role in league.
Because thats the most fradulent final of all time. They faced zero korean teams on their way their and had the weakest bracket of all time with a semi vs c9. Its also was when Korea was in its arguably weakest form of all time. Fnatic 2018 was nowhere near as good as 2019 g2 who was legitimately the best team in the world for most of that year. G2's competiton was also much stronger. 2019 T1 was far better than the teams of 2018, as even the best korean team in kt was very flawed. Rng and Ig were phenomenal teams but were on the otherside of the bracket and edg was nowhere near close to those teams.
Absolute nonsense. FNC beat IG the eventual champions 2-1 in groups. They were the best two teams at the tournament and both deserved to be in the final.
>faced 0 Korean teams Because those Korean teams were getting KOd by Cloud9? Facing then would have been easier.
Combined with franchising, yup
Franchising is a problem but ut isnt as big imo. But the fact abadage and jizuke cant force their way into the league fucking sucks.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's open circuit?
Basically what CS does, you have regional qualifiers and then play international tournaments with top teams having guaranteed sposts as far as im aware. You can think about it as having playins + worlds/msi multiple times a year instead of only twice since there are no regional leagues
When did this occur?
The first two years of League were open-circuit more or less
2012 was the most prominent open circuit year in LoL esports history.
Im not sure what you mean? By CS i mean Counter Strike, just look up their format
Multiple TOs running numerous tournaments throughout the year with international teams across the world competing. No regional leagues, nothing ran and controlled by riot.
But didn't europe basically never find success before open circuit was removed? The only exception was M5 at a time when western pro players still had a slight advantage. They did repeat that I think early in S3 as Gambit gaming, winning a smaller tournament against asian competition. But that was it. After those the most success europe had happened after that.
CLG.EU almost won LCK
Clg EU makes finals and goes five games at ogn, Fnatic makes finals at ipl 5 vs w.e. m5 wins numerous iems. How did they never find success exactly?
EU did very well in open circuit days. In csgo NA has significantly less players and teams than EU/CIS but with an open circuit they created teams that could win tournaments. LoL being closed and the fact CN players can play soloQ on Korean server and scrim Korean teams mean the west will never catch up.
You're forgetting that the LCK and LPL teams aren't nearly as good if they're playing an open circuit. The consistent practice of a highly competitive league is what created the gap.
Combine the two. Open circuit Jan-Aug, and then regional summer splits into world's Aug-Dec. Orgs get more international exposure, players more experience, fans more international games, lower tier regions can level up. The only people that lose are the high level LCK and LPL teams, like T1 that always competes internationally anyways. But the lower tier teams in those regions get more exposure for the organizations and players. It even saves Right money because they would only have to worry about one split and one international tournament.
I feel like Caps is a great example he was so mediocre when playing from home or in an empty studio and the moment the crowd came back he became his old self again.
With you logic we would have 60 chovys coming out of Korea every year.
That's very far from his logic. Try to read the comment again.
going back to an open circuit would be interesting, partly because of the salary/price money dynamic. right now the vast majority of money players earn is salary, price money is effectively irrelevant. an open circuit would shift that dynamic more towards price money and less towards salary because after all, why pay a big salary to players who dont perform? thats sort of the issue eu/na has. franchising means theres no penalty in performing badly, so you have tons of people earning paychecks they dont really deserve in my opinion. lck/lpl has enough talent depth to not run into this issue and they do seem to have a more tryhard mindset but especially in EU, its getting more and more apparent recently that the top ERL teams are more professional, more disciplined and more motivated than half the LEC teams but it doesnt help the region much because relegation no longer exists. franchising was a mistake imo and its seriously hard to reverse the franchising. in NA it could be done more reasonably due to spots not having much value left but EU for example? Mate, Riot would have to pay 40m€+ for every spot, thats like 400m to reverse franchising in EU alone and this makes it so hard to change anything now.
Monte said Humanoid is like "the man born with the perfect dick, perfect size and curvature, who can please every woman - but he only gets hard when sleeping with Chinese and Korean supermodels" And honestly I have never heard a better description of this man
That's kinda weird ngl
Yea its extremely weird jesus monte has issues
surprise surprise
And Carzzy. Humanoid always smashes his team whenever they play
He also gets hard against Carzzy but the same could be said for Carzzy. He loves smashing Fnatic and his boy Marek.
nah that's weird this aint it chef
Almost a bit like Cryin. Dude was inting against some medicore Chinese mids but while wasn't better than him, performed pretty admirably into peak Showmaker.
Nah that's just the Spring Tiger Effect
Uzi as well. Wildturtle too
If he makes a good play we could call him Humayushi
Nah he isn’t even the best in lec, what are you even saying with this
Not armchair diagnosing him but that's a typical ADHD thing. I have inattentive ADHD and I recognize a TON of my behaviour in his. When I watch his interviews it's like I'm watching myself after a mentally exhausting task.
You can see it in his performances. Hard to recognise him as the same player between international and regular season games.
That's because in regular season it's his evil twin who plays, the real Marek is at home chilling with his meat ice cream.
His name? Uma Noid
Meat ice cream?
This split he was on from week 1 already! I think all of FNC slumped in week 2 regular season but playoffs were great, too.
Nah I still can't believe Marek tried eating meat with ice cream tho...
like i still dont understand just why did he decided to try it just what was his thought process
People dip fries in McDonalds ice cream. Why not meat I guess
Wendy's spicy nuggets dipped in their chocolate frosty is the bomb. Is this going to be the new pineapple on pizza? We're going to have a street fight between the meat dippers and the fry dippers?
Send chin(s) pic
It's not bad, but I maintain the best Nugget sauce is Teriaki + Wasabi. Delicious.
Friend is a big Teriyaki + Tarter fan. Not sure he's tried Wasabi. Thanks for the recommendation.
You don't wanna know what I dip in my mcflurry bro 🤭
Judging from your flair, I think I already know...
IMO it's not THAT weird. It's not like meat and dairy are inherently incompatible. It's not like traditionally salty foods aren't regularly mixed with sweet foods. Hell, it's not like all ice cream is even sweet. Pretty sure I've seen plenty of weird restaurant dishes mixing ice cream with just about everything.
When I went to the US last year I learned they are mixing soda with vanilla icecream. Depending on the soda they call it fanta float, coke float and there was also a special michigan-local-only-soda (~~i forgot the name though~~ EDIT: someone's comment made me google for it and it was Vernors). When I inquired, I was also told iced coffee (here in europe usually vanilla icecream with cold brew coffee) would also be called coffee float. It did taste not bad though. Just regular sugar syrup with vanilla ice cream (that means, even more sugar :D)
I assume that you avoided root beer (the most typical float). Most non-americans think it tastes like cough medicine.
We have a type of Root Beer in the UK it is sold under the wonderfully quaint name of "Dandelion and Burdock"
I was raised on dandelion and burdock, love the stuff, but it's different to root beer. Root beer dies taste more medicinal, I still like it though
Some stores in Europe sell imported root beer and I myself like it at least. /Shrug
Only country that isn’t allowed to shit talk root beer is italy because by god I’ve given chinotto so many chances and it makes me die inside every time.
What type of cough medicine do non Americans have. I've had root beer and bought medicine and they don't taste even remotely the same.
I never had root beer but it may be similar to Dr pepper. Last time i tried Dr pepper i thought it tastes like cough syrup
Man, I seriously need to buy a bottle of cough syrup whenever I finally get to make a trip over to Eu. Sounds like yall have some good shit there lmao.
I think we just have shit dr pepper/root beer. Because cough syrup is sweet af and hard to swallow more than 1 spoon. Always makes me cringe like biting into a lemon.
No idea but it something I have heard all the italians, non-negligible amount, I know say it’s cough syrup.
Real non anglo-saxon european question : isn't root beer just ginger beer/ale ?
It was a soda made from the sasafrass tree (not anymore because fda banned a compound in it) but it’s more of a sweet, herbal, almost earthier cola. So it isn’t as sharp as a ginger beer.
Australians have been doing that for ages too, I believe it's called a spider over there, cos of the shape the bubbles make around the scoop of icecream
Interesting, if I ever manage to find time to go down under I'll have a try.
Michigan soda was probably Faygo, it’s amazing
Made me google for michigan soda and it was vernors. :)
Damn you got the bad one (don’t hurt me people of Michigan)
They also deepfry Snickers bars
TIL other countries don't do this with soda and ice cream. It seems so basic to us Americans that it never even crossed my mind that someone wouldn't even know about it
Different cultures different cuisine. That's why people should travel and be open minded to try and widen their perspectives :)
Jesus christ I'm gaining weight just reading this haha
This 97 year old diner still serves their Coke the old-fashioned way
I mean I eat meat mixed with cum aioli sauce
We live in a world where people put cheese and grapes on a skewer and find it tasty, for some godforsaken reason. Meat and ice cream doesn't sound that much more disgusting.
I lowkey enjoy such stuff. I always need something sweet when I eat something salty. Most of the time just a drink, but sometimes something new.
THE Marek Brazda is a pioneer that defies common sense and emotions acting on cold logic to invent new ways to challenge himself every single day. Outside the rift and on it he conquers any ordeal with his steeled mind to bring EU back to the top!
But… ice cream with KFC is goated…
Bacon-and-egg ice cream is a 3-star michelin chef's signature dish. Heston Blumenthal.
It's crazy to me that we have a player that is knows solely because of his international performance and gets a domestic pass (I'm not saying he's bad by any means, but when he gets there you're glad he's here)
> gets a domestic pass He gets a domestic pass because even when he is not giving a fuck he is still at least top 3. If Caps was not a thing, Humanoid would have been the uncontested top 1 midlaner in Europe.
He's clearly top 2 in EU. It's sad that EU used to be known for mid lane talent and now he and Caps are the only world class ones. Larssen seems like he's not even trying that hard anymore, Nuc has a lot to improve on, VTO is inconsistent as fuck, it's kinda sad.
He is nowhere near in same stratosphere as Caps. Caps dogwalking Humanoid is the main reason why G2 beats Fnatic even with a bot lane of rookie Flakked and rookie Targamas against Upset-Hyli.
Which just points to the midlane problems in europe when it used to be the "EU MIDS" meme. We only have Caps and a guy who doesnt give a shit for 80% of the year. Its a shame Larssen isnt challenging anymore and no other mids are stepping up
Larssen is for some reason stupidly loyal to Rogue
Bruh Larssen is on Rogue, it's cooked from the get go. Saken isn't LEC calibre, and Jackies, Fresskowy, and Zywroo are rookies. There goes half the League.
Larssen was a lane god back and elite on mages when Rogue was top tier in EU. He has fallen off massively now and can't even win lane vs the bad mids.
do you have a moment to hear the word of our lord and savior, the import slot?
I miss Nemesis in pro play. He would clap some cheeks if he came back to LEC
He was a level below caps, so we could say humanoid level
Humanoid is way better than Nemesis was.
butterfly effect and all, if caps was not a thing perkz may have never left midlane and could have potentially kept being really good
Huma does have a decent team around him, lets not forget about that. Thats what allows him to get into international tournaments in the first place whenever he performs mediocre. most other players dont have that luxury, you can ask larssen all about that
Larssen is playing like dogshit this year
Holy Humanoid fanboyism is strong. Nemesis sht on him %90 of the games they played for 2 years but he in an unlikable guy so nobody mentions it Larsenn after getting reverse swept by Huma (mainly Armut and Elyoya but let's go with that) literally next year reverse swept Humanoid by gapping the living piece out of it picking Sylas 3 games in a row. Freaking Freskowy 1 v 9ed Game 5 because he gapped Humanoid. How is this an uncontested top 1 mid laner? Reality is this guy is a really good laner even in international standards but then he is just average.
Nemesis didn‘t play in competetive for years now, hard to judge him really
To be fair he has improved massively in that aspect
I agree, this split he was fire from the get-go
I find it really hard to be a fan of him 'cos it's so annoying watching his domestic performances, then you see him internationally and it's retrospectively even more annoying 'cos it's like you are actually capable of this and I watched through how many games of just not giving a shit?
He’s been getting better tho, I think Winter and Spring 2023 gave him a big reality check. I get the feeling that in the back of his mind he thought worlds was a given every season, then suddenly comes a year when it’s not that simple and he actually has to give his all domestically to get his coveted international experience.
Some people perform better under pressure.
I dont think its an intentional not giving a shit, i think he is probably doing his best in regular season but just legit cant perform the same when the preassure isnt on
If people relentlessly shit on some players for being "domestic merchants" then this is consistent with that logic, no?
He's kinda like reverse Danny in the most not mean way possible,
Danny had 1 international tournament ever in his career after his second split competing and we're flaming him for what man
Bro was feeling pressured as fuck in his first international, not like he was bad or anything just a rookie thing
50% winrate versus Faker 😎
His LeBlanc was something special, I’ve never seen a western mid destroy an eastern one that hard
You must have missed game 5 of RNG vs G2 in 2018. Perkz had an insane LB game
LB is *the* anti-LPL missile lol. In addition to Huma and Perkz' LB, you also have: * Larssen's LB was doing work vs. JDG in 2022. * Showmaker's LB was scary as fck vs. JDG in 2022. * Gori's LB did pretty well vs. BLG in 2023 Then you have Worlds 2021, where both TL and MAD had huge wins on LB vs. LNG. On the other side of the bracket, you also had DK and RGE killing FPX with... you guessed it, LB. Moral of the story? *fucking pick Leblanc vs. LPL*. The region seems to have collective amnesia when playing against Leblanc. ^(success not guaranteed)
You can't out-hands LB, champ is solitaire.
They managed to combat it at 2015 MSI finals I suppose, but that was a while ago
yeah my boomer brain still thinks of that when I think of LPL vs Leblanc
Unless it's an AD LB meta. In which case LPL teams had 2 patches worth of practise this year.
I will say for JDG, Yagao was also not the best mid out there. That JDG team was hard carried by 369 and Kanavi. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but 369 had a whopping 15 cs lead average at 15 minutes in worlds 2022. The only player outside of adc close to that I can find in a tournament is Zeus 2023 worlds at 13.5, and the next I can find are Xiaohu 2021 MSI and Zoom 2020 worlds at 11.7 and 11.6. And Xiaohu's are inflated because 8 of those games were playins.
Oh yeah now I remember, Perkz was godlike that series. Also I kinda glossed over 2019 and 2020 G2, Caps was so nuts
I remembee Caps had a yasuo game against RNG back then that looked all too easy too.
Same as Caps Yasuo vs Damwon worlds 2019
He solokilled Xiaohu as Yasuo vs Ryze early or mid game but he didn't destroy him or anything. Caps also didn't turn that lead into anything meaningful, and then RNG just won as the better team.
https://youtu.be/Se0KmFY48d4?si=I4669tN2A9D2-GLP&t=27
I know metas change, but seeing that entire comp vs a sylas is something else oof
I don't think Caps actually destroyed a Chinese or Korean mid in 2019, but he did clap BDD in 2020 worlds quarters. 2019 vs SKT they were mostly losing early game and having insane comebacks, while vs Damwon I don't particularly remember a big mid gap either.
He did quite well against Showmaker and Faker in 2019. Showmaker even believed they lost to G2 in 2019 because of a mid gap.
I'm not discounting that he did very well, I just don't think "destroyed" is a good descriptor either. Faker going too far forward and dying once on Qiyana late game doesn't mean that Caps suddenly gapped him hard. I do think Caps was better than Showmaker in their series with how well he roamed with Jankos, but I don't think he destroyed him either.
This is Cream's first international event so I wouldn't get too hyped just yet, the Taliyah game was a stinker as well.
Yeah that’s fair, I’m just glad at least one western mid has that dawg in him Caps probably does too Also tbf Creme beat people like Yagao Xiaohu Scout and Rookie
I didn’t watch all of the LPL playoffs. Did he actually outclass the other LPL mids? or did he get carried by his teammates? Ik 369 has been giga smurfing, Tian was good in playoffs, and JKL/Meiko is a top tier botlane.
Creme was good, but not as good as the rest of his team or Knight. Compared to other mids he was good. One reason why Knight picked Azir which he isn't very good at was to deny Creme the champion. Xiaohu and especially Scout are slumping, Yagao was never really a top mid, and Rookie is good but has the perpetual Rookie problem of being inted by his teammates.
> This is Cream's first international event so I wouldn't get too hyped just yet i mean youre 2nd place in the most competitive league and on top of that MSI is played in his home region, you could hardly make an international debut any easier. humanoid performing internationally isnt a new narrative, to get that reputation in the first place he had to do well vs some of the best mid laners from the east in the past which he did.
Hm actually no. Jackey Love and Meiko basically 2 v 8ed against every bot lane except BLG's.
Cream is just not very good, and has never been. He is incredibly lucky to have a spot on TES with 3/5 players contending to be the best in the world at their roles.
He's gonna play kassadin versus Faker, ain't it ?
😈🌂 As you wish. ~~I hope so Kassadin is my favorite champ~~
Caps sylas game vs GenG was another banger
Man that shit was so broken. You can just watch that highlight reel clip of his sylas gameplay. Dude literally insta killed Ruler with an E2/W, and healed like 70% of his health bar per W.
Jensen rekt Crown with LB
His Leblanc was so fun to watch, i think they get 3-0 tomorrow, they shouldn't have trouble vs tl
If there's 1 thing I can say about tomorrow series is that I don't think Fnatic will sit back and lose as much as TL did today.
I think they will either take games off Geng, or lose even harder trying to get plays going that backfire horribly. Huma vs Chovy is gonna be hype as fuck though
Definitely. Would definitely be about damn time for kiin, chovy to show up at internationals. (Chovy mainly, but kiin is lowkey not showing up intl). If not then yeah fnc can do stuff.
Chovy was never that bad at internationals that he shit the bed against western teams though. I’m waiting to see how Chovy plays against ngl, hopefully he plays up to his lvl form and completely dumpsters knight
Its imposible to lose harder than TL
The way FNATIC over forces everything I can see it happening
The chaos will still make the game look closer, because they actually fight. The clock might say otherwise, but the series will appear less as a walk for GenG that way.
But for many people, the clock is what matters. Which is why MAD is so memed, despite fighting harder for that ridiculously quick loss than many NA teams.
Iwd made a Good point gen g doesn't lock the game as hard as T2,tes or blg, however they will still win convincly with their style
I can't wait to see him vs the best midlaner and even imo best player.
“They shouldn’t have trouble against tl” keep huffing that hopium brother you’re gonna need it when impact shows fnc who’s daddy
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I'll be honest with you here chief, if FNC even gets a single inhibitor turret tomorrow it's considered a big upset.
They're facing geng.
I think what he meant was they even though they will get 3-0'd tomorrow, they shouldnt have any problems against TL after.
Exactly this
And after they loose that they will face TL, is what he meant
Well that's assumptious of you, maybe he meant that they will get a 3-0 tomorrow against geng and have no trouble against tl in the finals?
TL might get to the finals, if they assassinate all other teams. I honestly have my doubts about them beating even PSG.
Why on God's green earth are you doubling down on your initial whoopsie when you know perfectly well what was meant?
Kinda wish Humanoid would get imported to some midtable team in LPL. i think it would be fun to watch him grow there competing with lots of good midlaner there.
Care isn’t bad but fpx humanoid would be so fun
0% chance you give up on communication between mid jg with a player like milkyway. They would just both look worse
I know communication would be gone but the fun factor is insane here
Praying RNG doesn't screw Milkyway
Care is just a passenger on FPX. I think only the top laner is somehow trying to play above average. But we saw what happens in bo5 when they only rely on Milkman. They will tank in summer and end up in 6-8 place.
Care is much better than Xiaolaohu. The best FPX players were Milkyway >>> Care > Life > xiaolaohu and deokdam.
The problem tho is that LPL salaries aren't insanely high compared to LEC and LCS offers, and LPL teams would rather just chance it on academy/new players (JDG Sheer) or less known players.
>We heard about your PCs being capped at 80 FPS and you were one of the last teams to arrive in China >Humanoid: "Yeah, I mean... The PC issue tends to happen pretty often at international tournaments. I genuinely don't understand how it's possible that these kinds of problems keep happening every time. Us neither my dude Us neither...
Love to see it, a player appreciating the chance of facing elite tier opposition and are aware of how rare this chance is.
And it shows! Great to see him take on the challenge on the international stage.
everyone knows this, your problem is the way towards it!
yeah, you play hard in the regional tournament only to get to the international stage
r/agedlikemilk
"it's the only fun I have playing this game" ftfy.