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Not only nordic. Here in Portugal you also have pretty rigid names when naming a baby for example.
Don’t know about changing names. But foreign names usually aren’t accepted unless one of the parents is foreign, this is one example
I didn't even know this was a thing before having foreigners comment on it, and now that I think about it...it really is weird! There even is a considerably small list of names we are allowed to have. In our classes there are usually 3 our 4 João's and Pedro's and I don't understand why we can't be more original!
Here's a little bit of the last message I received from the tax authorities that says...
(We have received your message about a change of name.)
So that's why I said they
I don't know... My mom said there's nothing more we can do about it and also said... everyone you work with... knows about your new name and also your friends. So that's good.
You can still use your new name, but unfortunately it will not appear on the documents and such.
Is there a Norwegian name that Ryan can be a nickname for?
So your official name will no longer give you dysphoria.
Rik-Jan would for instance work in the Netherlands.
This sounds like a great idea! I know nothing about Norwegian names but after a quick google search, I found Rian and Raian, maybe one of those can work for OP?
So on the job you have to sign with your birthing name and not Ryan even tho everyone around you call you Ryan :( personal tip: change your sign to something less clear and comprehensive so that people will focus more on the surname or the general form of the sign more than the name
Unless she's a lawyer, I wouldn't take her fatalism at face value. There are things you can do. Contact a civil rights lawyer or local LGBT groups. Research your ancestry, often the restrictive renaming laws have exceptions if you can trace ancestry to a nationality where the name is accepted.
If you're over 18 you could even send a letter petitioning King Harald V to make an exception for you.
Try getting a lawyer, it might take a bit to find one that isn’t transphobic depending on location but you might even be able to find one who will do it pro bono (free)
Would it be possible for you to change your name to a Norwegian name that's slightly similar to Ryan? That way your documents will reflect your identity and you can just tell people that because of the similarity everybody calls you Ryan
Thanks for all the supportive comments🥰💕
I really appreciate that😭❤️
You guys are the best🌟!
And sorry for my bad english...
Ehh, well I trying my best😅....
-Ryan
Here is some info about me:
My pronouns is Them/They
From Norway🇳🇴
And I'm 25 - young adult
Hey Ryan - sorry to hear about your situation!
I don’t know the laws in Norway, but most bureaucracies respond to the same tactics. I’d recommend first finding out which office is in charge of the name change and making some appointments there to discuss in person.
It may be a very simple thing that isn’t obvious from the form. Just take the form and any documents that may be relevant, dress professionally, and be friendly. Don’t leave until you understand the issues and don’t be afraid to ask any questions, no matter how small or silly they may seem. They are there to serve you.
If that doesn’t work or is too difficult, you could contact a local lawyer with experience dealing with that office. Sometimes, just a polite letter from a lawyer will accomplish more than you could do in fifty hours.
Best of luck!
Certain countries, including some of the Nordics, have laws that kind of limit names to culturally traditional names. I think a lot of those laws were adopted partially to prevent parents from giving their kids weird names (on the premise that it is cruel to the child) and partly with the idea of preserving their ethnic traditions.
For those of us from countries where naming is a free for all, the notion of having a name refused just sounds odd as hell.
It may be worth talking to the government office in charge of name change. They should be able to explain the reason for refusing your name change. You can also ask them if there is a way to appeal the decision.
For example, Denmark is strict on names (they need to be from an approved list etc.) but you can appeal and they will consider adding it to that list.
As far as I care, your name is Ryan. Who cares what the government says, it makes no sense.
Then they have no grounds to deny your application I suggest maybe getting a lawyer involved as they will know how to get through all the paperwork and such far better than anyone
Norway is one of those countries that literally has a law governing what names are allowed. The grounds could literally be Ryan not being on the approved list of Norwegian given names.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming\_law#Norway
Yeah, I just did a little reading up on it, and it seems:
> Choosing a boy's name for a girl or vice versa isn't allowed
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/banned-names/
Which is a b.s. rule.
Agreed. It can probably be circumvented by an official change in sex designation or getting a gender recognition document issued. Whatever the local way of changing your gender in your bureaucratic paperwork is. For me in Canada, it was a birth certificate change request. Not sure what mechanism Norway uses.
The naming laws are sometimes silly. Of course you can't name yourself something offensive or very complicated.
The most confusing part in some regions is that before srs one cannot change their legal name to be that of their chosen gender.
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
I have waited so long for this...to change my name... Take away the deadname☠️⚰️ and in with the new one💖...
But noo...Because this stupid laws is in the way😑
It's soo annoying!
Hey, OP, is there a Nordic equivalent of your chosen name? Like John/Jean/Johan/Hone?
Or, do you have a second (more approved) name that you could choose and have your chosen name as a nickname?
Could you try it again with a Nordic name that sounds similar? Or that just looks similar and just go by Ryan still? My registered name is not the same name my friends use with me, either.
Can you make it a middle name? Many names go well with Ryan like Frank Ryan, Otto Ryan, Werner Ryan, etc. Is there a database of allowed names you can look up? Maybe there's a version of Ryan in your language, already. if there is, then "Ryan" can easily become your nickname.
Personally I think everyone should get a freebie. Obvious reasons for trans folk, but like what if you just don't like your name. You should get one free redo, like a psn username
I feel for you, truly! I think why they do it is because many people detransition or for some it is just a phase(I know this isn’t the case for everyone) I’m sorry this wasn’t accepted, you have the right to be who you are❤️🧡💛💚💙
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Wait, why wont they approve your name change? Seems like a pretty normal name to me
Mum said that it might not be so normal here in Norway with that name.
Oh yeah, I think I remember some of the Nordic countries having weird naming rules
Yeah, I think that was a weird rule to have... To be honest.
Ayo, Swede here. I got my name legally changed to Moss. That's not normal at all. Our countries should have fairly similar laws on this.
Not only nordic. Here in Portugal you also have pretty rigid names when naming a baby for example. Don’t know about changing names. But foreign names usually aren’t accepted unless one of the parents is foreign, this is one example
I didn't even know this was a thing before having foreigners comment on it, and now that I think about it...it really is weird! There even is a considerably small list of names we are allowed to have. In our classes there are usually 3 our 4 João's and Pedro's and I don't understand why we can't be more original!
Because then you Daenaerys and Danárias 😂 Some rules don’t make sense, but is good to have rules.
Hahahah you win, good point
Only when the rules actually benefit the people that are subject to them. These rules, for example, are crap.
Iceland is notorious with names...
How about Halvdan? (You put the weird symbols in the correct places)
Norway is the Scandinavian Poland of names
What do you meaaann polish names are amazing, and original and there's loads of them... Right?...
Wondering the same thing
No... They didn't approve with my new name... - I totally agree with you...
Who’s “they” in this situation?
Here's a little bit of the last message I received from the tax authorities that says... (We have received your message about a change of name.) So that's why I said they
Probably goes against someone's religion, like everything else.
OP says its because it's not a "normal" Nordic name so it's not allowed.
So what now? A new name? Try again later? Why didn’t they approve it. I’m fucking mad.
I don't know... My mom said there's nothing more we can do about it and also said... everyone you work with... knows about your new name and also your friends. So that's good. You can still use your new name, but unfortunately it will not appear on the documents and such.
Mmm I wouldn’t give up hope. Maybe in the future you’ll find a way. Maybe if you move somewhere else when you’re older you could reapply
Is there a Norwegian name that Ryan can be a nickname for? So your official name will no longer give you dysphoria. Rik-Jan would for instance work in the Netherlands.
This sounds like a great idea! I know nothing about Norwegian names but after a quick google search, I found Rian and Raian, maybe one of those can work for OP?
Lol that second spelling reminded me of my best friends name which is spelled Riain
So on the job you have to sign with your birthing name and not Ryan even tho everyone around you call you Ryan :( personal tip: change your sign to something less clear and comprehensive so that people will focus more on the surname or the general form of the sign more than the name
I only Sign with the first letter followed by last name. That should always be an option.
Yeah that's a solution, in my country you have to sign by full name so I didn't consider this option but it's a good one
There are a few instances where we have to sign with full name also, but they are really rare.
Unless she's a lawyer, I wouldn't take her fatalism at face value. There are things you can do. Contact a civil rights lawyer or local LGBT groups. Research your ancestry, often the restrictive renaming laws have exceptions if you can trace ancestry to a nationality where the name is accepted. If you're over 18 you could even send a letter petitioning King Harald V to make an exception for you.
Try getting a lawyer, it might take a bit to find one that isn’t transphobic depending on location but you might even be able to find one who will do it pro bono (free)
Red Help might be an address!
Can't you find Norway name who mean same as Ryan?
Would it be possible for you to change your name to a Norwegian name that's slightly similar to Ryan? That way your documents will reflect your identity and you can just tell people that because of the similarity everybody calls you Ryan
Thanks for all the supportive comments🥰💕 I really appreciate that😭❤️ You guys are the best🌟! And sorry for my bad english... Ehh, well I trying my best😅.... -Ryan Here is some info about me: My pronouns is Them/They From Norway🇳🇴 And I'm 25 - young adult
Hey Ryan - sorry to hear about your situation! I don’t know the laws in Norway, but most bureaucracies respond to the same tactics. I’d recommend first finding out which office is in charge of the name change and making some appointments there to discuss in person. It may be a very simple thing that isn’t obvious from the form. Just take the form and any documents that may be relevant, dress professionally, and be friendly. Don’t leave until you understand the issues and don’t be afraid to ask any questions, no matter how small or silly they may seem. They are there to serve you. If that doesn’t work or is too difficult, you could contact a local lawyer with experience dealing with that office. Sometimes, just a polite letter from a lawyer will accomplish more than you could do in fifty hours. Best of luck!
Certain countries, including some of the Nordics, have laws that kind of limit names to culturally traditional names. I think a lot of those laws were adopted partially to prevent parents from giving their kids weird names (on the premise that it is cruel to the child) and partly with the idea of preserving their ethnic traditions. For those of us from countries where naming is a free for all, the notion of having a name refused just sounds odd as hell.
Is it the tax agency in Norway that handles names and name changes, like in Sweden?
It may be worth talking to the government office in charge of name change. They should be able to explain the reason for refusing your name change. You can also ask them if there is a way to appeal the decision. For example, Denmark is strict on names (they need to be from an approved list etc.) but you can appeal and they will consider adding it to that list.
That really sucks. I have no clue why they wouldnt approve a name change
Same here... I was disappointed😔...
Don't worry my dude, we all stand behind you, we support you ❤️
Thank you😊❤️ I appreciate it!
keep submitting the name change file until they approve it, piss em off enough to give in. might take a while but better than giving up altogether
I'll think about it... But right now I'm focusing on other things... Like the Halloween party🎃🦇 I'm going to have today with my friends😊💕
enjoy the party, Halloween parties are great! hopefully oneday everything works out with your name though my fingers are crossed for you ♡
As far as I care, your name is Ryan. Who cares what the government says, it makes no sense.
Aww thanks😊❤️ I really appreciate it🥰 
Do you have any debts or a criminal record (no judgement)?
No, I don't have that
Get a lawyer as the other person who replied said
Then they have no grounds to deny your application I suggest maybe getting a lawyer involved as they will know how to get through all the paperwork and such far better than anyone
Norway is one of those countries that literally has a law governing what names are allowed. The grounds could literally be Ryan not being on the approved list of Norwegian given names. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming\_law#Norway
Yeah, I just did a little reading up on it, and it seems: > Choosing a boy's name for a girl or vice versa isn't allowed https://www.lifeinnorway.net/banned-names/ Which is a b.s. rule.
Agreed. It can probably be circumvented by an official change in sex designation or getting a gender recognition document issued. Whatever the local way of changing your gender in your bureaucratic paperwork is. For me in Canada, it was a birth certificate change request. Not sure what mechanism Norway uses.
I am so sorry.
Man that sucks Ryan. I hope you are able to try again!
The naming laws are sometimes silly. Of course you can't name yourself something offensive or very complicated. The most confusing part in some regions is that before srs one cannot change their legal name to be that of their chosen gender.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I have waited so long for this...to change my name... Take away the deadname☠️⚰️ and in with the new one💖... But noo...Because this stupid laws is in the way😑 It's soo annoying!
Hey, OP, is there a Nordic equivalent of your chosen name? Like John/Jean/Johan/Hone? Or, do you have a second (more approved) name that you could choose and have your chosen name as a nickname?
well, regardless of if they approved it or not, you'll always be Ryan (as long as you'll like it:))
Have you heard of a comic series called Rain? There's a character in there who chooses Ryan as their new name too \^\^
No, I have never heard about that comic series before.
Check it out, maybe you'll like it https://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/1
Can you not reapply?
I don't know
Hmm. Well you definitely should get a lawyer to take a look at it, if you didn't already
Regardless of what happened I'm proud of you. Don't stop fighting 💖
Aww thanks😊💖 I don't give up so easily 
Could you try it again with a Nordic name that sounds similar? Or that just looks similar and just go by Ryan still? My registered name is not the same name my friends use with me, either.
Well no matter what some paper says your Ryan and that’s all to it
Can you make it a middle name? Many names go well with Ryan like Frank Ryan, Otto Ryan, Werner Ryan, etc. Is there a database of allowed names you can look up? Maybe there's a version of Ryan in your language, already. if there is, then "Ryan" can easily become your nickname.
I'm sorry...
Ask if there is a way to appeal the decision.
I'm sorry to hear that Ryan
Personally I think everyone should get a freebie. Obvious reasons for trans folk, but like what if you just don't like your name. You should get one free redo, like a psn username
It's okay, Ryan. You gonna get it soon, meanwhile you can be Ryan for us Why they declined, though?
Aww you are soo cute😊💖 I don't know why it wasn't approved....
Sorry about your name not being approved :( also I have a question, how do you get the rainbow upvote thing?
We shall call you Ryan anyway >:D
Hell Yeah!
I feel for you, truly! I think why they do it is because many people detransition or for some it is just a phase(I know this isn’t the case for everyone) I’m sorry this wasn’t accepted, you have the right to be who you are❤️🧡💛💚💙
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My new name was not approved... So I still have my birth name...
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of all comments you chose this?
That person probably wants attention or something🙄...
Because I like that name. I think it's cool and suits me well... If you don't like it then don't comment.
LoL, there is a really transphobic and homophobic boy who used to be in my class named Ryan...
Well... I'm nothing like that jerk...
I'm sure of it!
I know Germany will just reject names, even if you're naming your baby.
Gratulerer med navnet, Ryan.
Mitt nye navn ble ikke godkjent... Så. eg har fortsatt fødselsnavnet mitt...
Sannt. Men det er et stort skritt å ha valgt dit nye navn. Så selvom det er vanskelig, så gratulerer jeg. Da må Norge få det til…