The cop did a double fake and juked traffic. He pretended he was going one way then moved another. No reasonable person can conclude the initial crash was not his fault, especially when considering the cam driver was moving to go around the cop to provide safe space and clearly believing the moron in blue was pulling off the road.
What sucks is stuff like this is never part of the driver’s ed course. Like I don’t even think mine talked about how you’re supposed to pull over and stop for all EMS vehicles. How are you supposed to know they’re going to pull something like this right in front of you at a moment’s notice?
As a driver you are always responsible if you hit the car in front of you, they can stop for any reason and not be at fault. You are always supposed to maintain a safe following distance so you can stop if something happens before you impact the person in front of you. No one actually drives that way because people are dumbass tailgaters but that is how it is supposed to work. The person who is driving is def at fault and the guy with the boat trailer should also have taken into account his stopping distance when he was choosing how closely to follow the person in front of him.
I get that. Like I said, I think there’s an educational component to it that’s a bit lacking, but you’re definitely right that the driver is and should be responsible for whatever their own vehicle does.
Well, yes, I am high.
But even stoned, I know that a driver needs to leave enough space to avoid hitting anything if that car stops of them stops suddenly. The cop is partially at fault, not 100%.
Braking wasn't the issue, it was that the cop changed his apparent intentions mid-way through. He was pulling off the road, so cam driver expected him to pull off the road like a normal person. But he's a cop, so instead of being normal he swerved left into traffic to cause an accident and blame someone else.
If someone is in the right turn lane on a perpendicular street and pulls out in front of me giving no chance to stop it's not my fault if i t-bone them. Same situation here. The cop got t-boned, not rear-ended.
I mean there is realistically no way for the cop to make the U-turn without first going right, and it should be pretty obvious that the cop is about to chase the guy that had literally just sped by. I am not saying I wouldn’t have also fucked this up, but I don’t know why the driver didn’t hit the brakes at all when the cop slowed down
If he can go off the road to the right then he can go off the road on the left. He could very easily have slowed in the middle of the road then made a left-hand U-turn. Slowing down with his lights on would have indicated to the guy behind that a stop might be necessary and given him a chance to react to those intentions and avoided the accident the cop caused entirely.
He’ll still be cited for following too closely. The officer drove like an idiot but the driver following still is responsible for giving enough space to allow for sudden stops.
From an insurance perspective, they’ll probably rule it as both contributing to the accident.
Yep. They pretty much assume that if you hit anything that is in the road in front of you, then you weren't paying enough attention. Much as I hate cops, and think this was a boneheaded move endangering oncoming traffic, he didn't actually exit the road, he had put his lights on, and there was no reason to assume that he was going to complete the exit.
I ride motorcycles. Not predicting what people can do is what gets riders killed. Watching this video, there's nothing to indicate that the cop wasn't going to do something like that. If he has fully exited the road, then jumped out, that would have been a different story.
O God. A Cop ran a red light in my home town, a high schooler T-boned him and put him in the hospital. They spent months trying to blame the teen for it before they finally had to admit the cop was in the wrong. They will try to ruin your life to hide their mistakes.
All judges and prosecutors are bad though.
If the justice system is shit you must acquit. Unless they have never prosecuted anyone, they are likely garbage humans.
Forensics is a pseudoscience. Video evidence can be faked. Photographs can be doctored. Eye witnesses testimony is unreliable.
Our system forces innocent people to plea guilty to lesser crimes to avoid the punishment of being dragged through our legal system.
Even if they have many successes, they have all done harm.
While this can be true as far as doctoring evidence goes what’s your solution? We need a justice system, one that’s not politicized, one that’s highly critical of the state’s evidence & details, one that assures the defense is given any & all evidence being used against them in a fair amount of time, & one that also protects victims. While your statement regarding people taking pleas just to escape incarceration is correct for sure, on the flip side a prosecutor purposely reducing charges, declining to prosecute, purposely letting the speedy trial clock run out, offering non criminal dispositions to people with extensive rap sheets etc. isn’t justice either. You need a balance.
> Forensics is a pseudoscience. Video evidence can be faked. Photographs can be doctored. Eye witnesses testimony is unreliable.
It's better than full blown anarchy where video evidence of a crime isn't required because anyone can imprison you, or worse, at any time anyway.
It is better to let 1000 guilty go free then to put a single innocent behind bars. If you disagree, you should volunteer to be one of the innocent subjected to the for profit slave labor system.
So you're a total anarchist then? With a deeply idealized version of it in mind, too.
Those aren't the two options. It's put a single innocent behind bars by accident or allow billions to be imprisoned, enslaved, or killed. That's what anarchy is, what you're arguing for, and what happens when you eliminate the justice system entirely.
I had someone do that to me in the mountains of Utah last year. I was on a motorcycle. Fortunately, slowed down as she moved right because I figure teenage girls are not going to make wise choices and there was enough distance that the main danger was from any oncoming vehicles not stopping fast enough.
This cop is dumber than a teenage girl and will not be held accountable for it, I'm sure. I feel sorry for the guy who hit him and likely had a really bad week after.
All three of these drivers were in the wrong. Cop made a super unsafe turn. Dash cam driver was following too close and assumed cop was pulling over and doesn’t appear to break but was going to cross a double yellow line to pass the cop. Boat guy clearly was not giving extra space to insure he could stop in time before any road hazards. This was not a windy mountain road where the drivers had such poor visibility they could not see the cars in front of them and avoid this accident.
> but was going to cross a double yellow line to pass the cop.
Which is allowed when you're giving emergency vehicles on the side of the road space. I don't know if this is everywhere, but where i live it's required we move out of the right lane if we can if there's an emergency vehicle on the side of the road. We are required to give them space to work, so bending half way through a double line if possible is absolutely allowed on a two lane road.
This was primarily the idiot cop's fault for essentially juking traffic.
Would you swerve into traffic with any car? Nothing this cop did made sense, so assuming he was pulling off the road instead of careening for a t-bone was perfectly valid.
I'm not sure about that. I look at that video and see the driver going too fast. The cop didn't even exit the road, so one can't assume that he was going to complete the turnoff. Making the U-Turn was dangerous, but the drivers behind him should have been slowing rather than assuming the car, cop or not, was going to exit.
I had this happen to me last year, except that the driver exited the road completely in a turn out and then swerved over to make a U-Turn. I was on a motorcycle and I started to slow when she did and I was able to stop as she swerved in front of me. I was more concerned about oncoming traffic at that point because anyone hitting her would have sent her car at me.
Definitely majority the cop’s fault but police car aside, no matter who’s in front of you you need to be following at a safe enough speed and distance to be able to safely make an emergency stop
It's true. He was going too fast. Cop put lights on, which should have caused him to immediately slow down. The real danger would have been to oncoming traffic, as it is not easy to be prepared for that.
Cars following too closely. Cop turned on lights to be able to do illegal U-turn and trucks were following too close and/or not paying attention imo. Especially the one towing a boat with a raptor
I really need to get a dash cam. Without it this driver would have been proper fucked.
Im sure they still found a way to blame him for it
Bastards
Nah the state admitted fault and paid for the repairs.
State didn’t pay for shit. Taxpayers did.
Very true
They are fucked! Police do nothing wrong, you know this.
The policeman is never at fault because we live in a society that won’t fault them when they are at fault.
Do it! A $150 investment could save you tens of thousands of dollars
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The cop did a double fake and juked traffic. He pretended he was going one way then moved another. No reasonable person can conclude the initial crash was not his fault, especially when considering the cam driver was moving to go around the cop to provide safe space and clearly believing the moron in blue was pulling off the road.
What sucks is stuff like this is never part of the driver’s ed course. Like I don’t even think mine talked about how you’re supposed to pull over and stop for all EMS vehicles. How are you supposed to know they’re going to pull something like this right in front of you at a moment’s notice?
As a driver you are always responsible if you hit the car in front of you, they can stop for any reason and not be at fault. You are always supposed to maintain a safe following distance so you can stop if something happens before you impact the person in front of you. No one actually drives that way because people are dumbass tailgaters but that is how it is supposed to work. The person who is driving is def at fault and the guy with the boat trailer should also have taken into account his stopping distance when he was choosing how closely to follow the person in front of him.
I get that. Like I said, I think there’s an educational component to it that’s a bit lacking, but you’re definitely right that the driver is and should be responsible for whatever their own vehicle does.
You're high if you think this wasn't 100% the cop's fault
Well, yes, I am high. But even stoned, I know that a driver needs to leave enough space to avoid hitting anything if that car stops of them stops suddenly. The cop is partially at fault, not 100%.
I found one for $25 with an 8GB card at family dollar that works well fwiw.
It was their fault. This is an unnecessary manoeuvre by the cops, but you keep your braking distance. Especially when the lights go on.
Braking wasn't the issue, it was that the cop changed his apparent intentions mid-way through. He was pulling off the road, so cam driver expected him to pull off the road like a normal person. But he's a cop, so instead of being normal he swerved left into traffic to cause an accident and blame someone else. If someone is in the right turn lane on a perpendicular street and pulls out in front of me giving no chance to stop it's not my fault if i t-bone them. Same situation here. The cop got t-boned, not rear-ended.
I mean there is realistically no way for the cop to make the U-turn without first going right, and it should be pretty obvious that the cop is about to chase the guy that had literally just sped by. I am not saying I wouldn’t have also fucked this up, but I don’t know why the driver didn’t hit the brakes at all when the cop slowed down
If he can go off the road to the right then he can go off the road on the left. He could very easily have slowed in the middle of the road then made a left-hand U-turn. Slowing down with his lights on would have indicated to the guy behind that a stop might be necessary and given him a chance to react to those intentions and avoided the accident the cop caused entirely.
You’re right, that doesn’t mean that the dash cam driver was faultless though
He’ll still be cited for following too closely. The officer drove like an idiot but the driver following still is responsible for giving enough space to allow for sudden stops. From an insurance perspective, they’ll probably rule it as both contributing to the accident.
Yep. They pretty much assume that if you hit anything that is in the road in front of you, then you weren't paying enough attention. Much as I hate cops, and think this was a boneheaded move endangering oncoming traffic, he didn't actually exit the road, he had put his lights on, and there was no reason to assume that he was going to complete the exit. I ride motorcycles. Not predicting what people can do is what gets riders killed. Watching this video, there's nothing to indicate that the cop wasn't going to do something like that. If he has fully exited the road, then jumped out, that would have been a different story.
O God. A Cop ran a red light in my home town, a high schooler T-boned him and put him in the hospital. They spent months trying to blame the teen for it before they finally had to admit the cop was in the wrong. They will try to ruin your life to hide their mistakes.
Not all cops are bad, but they are all accomplices.
All judges and prosecutors are bad though. If the justice system is shit you must acquit. Unless they have never prosecuted anyone, they are likely garbage humans.
I don't think that's right. There are murderers i'm happy the judges gave long prison sentences too, and the prosecutors prosecuted.
Forensics is a pseudoscience. Video evidence can be faked. Photographs can be doctored. Eye witnesses testimony is unreliable. Our system forces innocent people to plea guilty to lesser crimes to avoid the punishment of being dragged through our legal system. Even if they have many successes, they have all done harm.
While this can be true as far as doctoring evidence goes what’s your solution? We need a justice system, one that’s not politicized, one that’s highly critical of the state’s evidence & details, one that assures the defense is given any & all evidence being used against them in a fair amount of time, & one that also protects victims. While your statement regarding people taking pleas just to escape incarceration is correct for sure, on the flip side a prosecutor purposely reducing charges, declining to prosecute, purposely letting the speedy trial clock run out, offering non criminal dispositions to people with extensive rap sheets etc. isn’t justice either. You need a balance.
> Forensics is a pseudoscience. Video evidence can be faked. Photographs can be doctored. Eye witnesses testimony is unreliable. It's better than full blown anarchy where video evidence of a crime isn't required because anyone can imprison you, or worse, at any time anyway.
It is better to let 1000 guilty go free then to put a single innocent behind bars. If you disagree, you should volunteer to be one of the innocent subjected to the for profit slave labor system.
So you're a total anarchist then? With a deeply idealized version of it in mind, too. Those aren't the two options. It's put a single innocent behind bars by accident or allow billions to be imprisoned, enslaved, or killed. That's what anarchy is, what you're arguing for, and what happens when you eliminate the justice system entirely.
You're not looking at the bigger picture! The car going the other way was speeding. If he wasn't stopped and fined, he might have caused an accident.
lol the tongue and cheek “police logic”
Tongue in cheek*
To protect and swerve
After we investigated ourselves we found no wrong doing.
You'll never convince me that the motivation for speeding tickets is safety.
I had someone do that to me in the mountains of Utah last year. I was on a motorcycle. Fortunately, slowed down as she moved right because I figure teenage girls are not going to make wise choices and there was enough distance that the main danger was from any oncoming vehicles not stopping fast enough. This cop is dumber than a teenage girl and will not be held accountable for it, I'm sure. I feel sorry for the guy who hit him and likely had a really bad week after.
Enter Dean Winters to utter: "Uh-oh, your fault." And this is the problem. Thankfully the driver had a dash cam.
All three of these drivers were in the wrong. Cop made a super unsafe turn. Dash cam driver was following too close and assumed cop was pulling over and doesn’t appear to break but was going to cross a double yellow line to pass the cop. Boat guy clearly was not giving extra space to insure he could stop in time before any road hazards. This was not a windy mountain road where the drivers had such poor visibility they could not see the cars in front of them and avoid this accident.
> but was going to cross a double yellow line to pass the cop. Which is allowed when you're giving emergency vehicles on the side of the road space. I don't know if this is everywhere, but where i live it's required we move out of the right lane if we can if there's an emergency vehicle on the side of the road. We are required to give them space to work, so bending half way through a double line if possible is absolutely allowed on a two lane road. This was primarily the idiot cop's fault for essentially juking traffic.
He didn't even exit the road. Assuming that he was going to make a full exit and stop was a big mistake. I wouldn't do that with any car.
Would you swerve into traffic with any car? Nothing this cop did made sense, so assuming he was pulling off the road instead of careening for a t-bone was perfectly valid.
Maybe numbnuts cop should've checked his mirrors before pulling this stunt. I know if anyone else did what he did, they'd be at fault.
Maybe numbnuts cop should've checked his mirrors before pulling this stunt. I know if anyone else did what he did, they'd be at fault.
I'm not sure about that. I look at that video and see the driver going too fast. The cop didn't even exit the road, so one can't assume that he was going to complete the turnoff. Making the U-Turn was dangerous, but the drivers behind him should have been slowing rather than assuming the car, cop or not, was going to exit. I had this happen to me last year, except that the driver exited the road completely in a turn out and then swerved over to make a U-Turn. I was on a motorcycle and I started to slow when she did and I was able to stop as she swerved in front of me. I was more concerned about oncoming traffic at that point because anyone hitting her would have sent her car at me.
This was my first thought. I hate to be that guy but….if you’re not leaving enough stopping distance in front of you it’s kinda your fault….
Definitely majority the cop’s fault but police car aside, no matter who’s in front of you you need to be following at a safe enough speed and distance to be able to safely make an emergency stop
It's true. He was going too fast. Cop put lights on, which should have caused him to immediately slow down. The real danger would have been to oncoming traffic, as it is not easy to be prepared for that.
Bingo
Cars following too closely. Cop turned on lights to be able to do illegal U-turn and trucks were following too close and/or not paying attention imo. Especially the one towing a boat with a raptor