You joke but wiping on a boss for 3 hours is the best way to learn mechanics. You will never forget mechanics after your first time wiping for 3 hours haha.
Guess what, everyone else who knows the mechanics has no desire to wipe for 3 hrs on all of the super easy content in the game because they watched a 5 min video.
Then they should play single player games, or make parties with like minded individuals. I’m not trying to spoil fights by watching some bloated YouTube video.
For real if he’s also talking about mmos and raids. There’s 3 people that watch and himself that doesn’t want to watch. Wonder who on that end is being the ass hat lol
It’s the other way around because most people watch videos and don’t want to spend hours in one thing. If you want to go in blind YOU should make parties with like minded individuals lol.
That's probably a symptom of how most people today are really good at quitting/ giving up early/ raging at mistakes. The days of having to fail to learn are gone. You just watch a video and work on the premise of efficiency seeing as being efficient as all anyone cares about. Gamers suck the fun out of games.
i don't really agree
the game doesn't explain the mechanics to you so a lot of times you don't even know why you wiped unless you go watch a video or read a guide
so unless you have someone on the party that knows the mechanic you would be there dying for 3 hrs without knowing why
>a lot of times
Can you name one? The only thing that comes to mind to me is Argos P2 where you must communicate a mechanic to the other party.
I've finished everything in the game except Velganos as a solo queue player at this point and I must say everything has been fairly intuitive so far. Stand in the circle, free your teammates, kill adds, stay out of red circle. You might not learn it on your first death, but you can definitely figure everything out within just a few wipes.
Edit: Multiple downvotes, and yet not a single person can name a single unintuitive boss mechanic lol...
Edit 2: 24 hours later and people have named 3 debatable mechanics lol so much for "a lot of times"...
>Edit: Multiple downvotes, and yet not a single person can name a single unintuitive boss mechanic lol
You just said "You might not learn it on your first death, but you can definitely figure everything out within just a few wipes.", this is what unintuitive is. It's something that must be learned through trial and error.
As examples, in many cases the game wants you to match colors to survive (Kaishur), and in other cases matching colors kills you (Alberhastic). In some cases you're supposed to avoid getting hit by different colored orbs (Kyzra), and in other cases you must get hit by different colored orbs (Karkosa). Sometimes you need to avoid breath attacks (Velganos) and sometimes you need to get hit by breath attacks (Flamefox Yoho).
Sorry, what does 2-1 and 4-2 mean here?
Edit: Oh, I see, from the queue menu.
2-1 last boss is Phantom King, I'm guessing you're talking about the 4 sword mechanic. There is a debuff on the player after they touch a sword. You can easily figure it out to not stack these debuffs, and post-nerf you must touch 3 swords to wipe the group now. The in-game pop-up message also tells you to avoid stacking cuts.
4-2 last boss is the 1234 12334 boss. The boss becomes invincible during the mechanic phase, so there's literally nothing to do but figure out what to do with the orbs. There are 8 of them, and 8 of you. It's not too hard to figure out that everyone has to take one to prevent them from reaching the boss. Nineveh tells you that it's trying to absorb power iirc. You learn you have to alternate the colors by messing up and getting knocked around after doubling up on a color incorrectly, but I think Nineveh has another message telling you about this too. And then it only takes a few more attempts to learn that the pattern the second time around is 12334.
why in the world y'all downvoting this guy when he's so right about these? sure if you say something like Flame Fox Yoho's buff mechanic, I'd definitely give you that it's hard to figure out something like that. but everything this guys says is true, these mechanics make a lot of sense and can be figured out in a reasonable manner
The nerf does make it easy to ignore the mechanics on 2-1 for sure, but as a group of 4 strangers that don't know what to do (prenerf), the arena is too big to see what other players are doing if they go to each corner, so what happens is you think you know how it works and you try to execute that but someone else sabotages you and you can't see what you did wrong (source: me trying to do it months ago with randoms and still failing after reading what to do and then me questionning if I was doing it right or not, I was).
for 4-2, it's not like you instantly blow up once you do a misplay, you never learn what you do wrong except if you get the wipe at the end, but there is nothing specifically telling you "don't do this" as you do it, and again, you match with 7 other players, so maybe you do it correctly but not someone else and you are unsure if you fucked up or not.
even though it's true it feels easy when you know it, he's right that the game gives you enough information. I think it can be understood in a reasonable amount of time trying to figure it out
You’re better off not engaging with these folks. They’re addicted to schooling people on “mechs”.
When in reality the game is pretty piss easy to figure out without any videos. There are much harder raids in Destiny.
If you think that wait til legion raids ;). Have fun. It’s hellla hard even if you watch vids and no one is gonna take you if you don’t get a jist of the mechanics or watched how to semi do it unless blind group run. One person dying wipes the raid and a lot of the mechanics are nuts, not one person can fk up
I would agree for most bosses, but there is one that til this day I still don't know how I would have figured out unless I read it in a guide. Flame Fox Yoho - you need to stay either in the breath for a second, get hit 3 times by the balls or someone randomly getting the buff from being in the circle around her that happens rarely (in my experience).
I would never at that point of the game notice that I have a buff or thought I need to "fail" a mechanic to get a dmg buff. NOTHING tells you about this, yes you have a buff, but I also have like 6 different buffs from other party members etc.
I'll give you the breath mechanic, but I still don't think you need the buff to kill Flame Fox Yoho so understanding the mechanic is largely optional. And as you said, you can clearly see the buff and read it.
I mean I wouldn't say you can clearly see it since my buff bar regularly (with support) goes beyond what the bar can show and it just shows a plus sign. I mean, yeah you can kill it, but it takes ages and it's WAY harder because of all the burn mechanics.
Also, I'm pretty sure VERY few people know about Igrexions counterattack stance in the 1st phase (shadow phase) where he does a wind-up and you should stop attacking him. It's not that punishing and I've seen ppl do it once I think and I'm pretty sure it was by accident :D
I mean yeah most of the other mechanics are intuitive, but they can do a better job at displaying some things I think we should be able to agree on that. Yes, a lot of the mechanics are not that punishing right now. I still hate flame fox :D
It does, you have no reflex to understand if you didn't wipe.
Edit. Oh what you think those few things that just supposed to be known? Well it is now hard part of the game.
you say that but does everyone else have 3 hours for you not to watch a 5 min video? at that point that's just being selfish and wasting everyone else's time.
Imo, learning the mechanics yourself is one of the most fun parts of MMOs. We went up until Argos P2 with only figuring it out in the game itself and I feel like you can easily figure out everything until that one. The P2 mechs are a bit more complicated compared to all the others before that, including guardian aids.
actually, i meant Tranquil Karkosa's boss. the clockwise rotation wipe specifically.
pugging that one is a guaranteed waste of hours.
the red/gold orb is not too bad, at least in my experience
was drawing a blank and didn't word my comment that well
Some of us do the research and still struggle because it takes practice. Those Argos pizza slices come at you a lot faster than in the videos. It makes me wonder if they are slowing the video down.
The speed of the slices may just be a perception thing. When watching videos you are focused solely on the pizza, ingame you are focus is split on the pizza, your positioning, and probably a couple other things.
Really ? Maybe it's something I am not aware, I'd like to know if this exist. I have been in some raids where my correct star didn't spawn anywhere near my assigned position and I had no clue where it was.
First and second are semi random - for the first set, there's a 4, 6, and 8 at each cardinal. For the second set, theres a 4, 6, and 8 at every corner. The last set is fixed and the stars always appear in pairs: an easy way to remember it (approximately) is that 4 is N/S, 6 is NW/SE, and 8 is E/W. In other words it's N, NW, W and directly across for 4,6,8 respectively, which is just north (or south) and counterclockwise.
You can refer to the image in this thread. Super easy once you know the positions beforehand: https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/tzmigz/star_positions_on_albion_are_fixed_you_dont_have/
I have only done that one twice and messed it up both times. Last time I did it I had too much on my mind and forgot to check my number at the start so I panicked when that phase hit. The other 3 were still able to finish without me. I got it right on Argos though so I think I will get it next time.
Tip from someone that died all the time to big pizza.
Tip 1: Argus will give a very specific and long howl before big pizza. Once you learn the audio cue it's pretty easy to get ready.
Tip 2: Big pizza doesn't extend to infinite. If you are outside the pizza, you are safe. Moon, Sun, doesn't matter.
Underwater 8-man raid PTSD is now kicking in...
*1234, 12334! remember positions! everyone understand? JUST HURRY THE FUCK UP, GO FAST!*
*\*Wipes 6 times in a row\**
I to this day can't understand how I managed to overcome that raid...
the funniest thing about this boss is that if the person that keeps messing up leaves the raid, it's easier to 7 man him than 8 man.
this is why raid-wide wipe mechanics aren't "hard" they are just lazy
That means everyone had to play their part though… lol and in this case the guy that left didn’t. If the game adjust to less players that means the game is adaptable
Fucking hate when people say 1234 12334, I don't even understand how it explains the mechanic as someone who knows it, and they expect people to just understand right away
It pretty simple if you remember the main part of the mechanic which is to walk clockwise after positioning. 1234 means keep walking and don’t stop clockwise. The other one means to stop after going 3 times clockwise.
Only works with people with some knowledge on how to do the mechanic which is not many, most people either know it or don't. For people who don't know it, 1234 12334 is completely unhelpful hence why it triggers my when people say that expecting people who don't know how to do it to just understand right away
the mechanic is literally: take orb, rotate clockwise to the next orb, repeat. "1234/12334" just means to take the 3rd orb twice on the 2nd rotation, but easier to type so that's why most people use that notation
Yeah but like he's saying, the only people that know what that means already know what the mechanic is. It's meaningless to the person who's about to wipe your Karkosa run.
I mean whenever I do argos it is always x3 for positioning. If someone don't understand they would ask for more details. What is it with players that go in to dungeon/raid without looking up any guide and expecting more experienced player to type an essay to them about the mechanic lol. Don't mind if you ask but not everyone has the time to type out super long messages when you could just abbreviated.
Honestly I never had problems with that one. I usually have more problems with Alaric. Mainly from people stealing others spots, not attacking the orbs, not helping the trapped players, etc.
To be fair, it's because of bad game design. You're supposed to introduce mechanics in an organic way and teach through gameplay. If your end users feel they have to look up third-party guides for every boss or dungeon, that's poor design.
If it was bad game design, shouldn't this game be long dead by now? It's certainly not the mundane dailies you have to do or the collectibles that keep players around.
Smaller/weaker versions of "complex" raid bosses should've been part of story or roster missions required to enter the raids/dungeons in the first place, and their mechanics could've been explained through the help of NPCs and/or more scripted sequences. This would allow people to see what to do and the consequences for failing in a less pressing environment, without potentially wasting other real peoples' time. Lets use Tranquil Karkosa as an example, and its "get down Mr. President" water/electric orb wipe mechanic. A story mission could've had you be reinforcements for an advance party of NPCs there to kill that particular boss, and you'd arrive in time to see them do the body-blocking of the orbs and them failing it because they're missing a person to keep every direction covered. You'd be directed to fill in and fight, and the NPCs would help visually show what to do and how not to fail. The system could ping a position to fill for you. It would act as a soft tutorial for the real thing, one that would only waste the individual player's time if they just don't get it. Making it a requirement for the real thing would drastically reduce the number of complaints about people not knowing the mechanic and groups rage-quitting because of that.
Your first ever in-game introduction to a specific mechanic should never have the consequence of a real party wipe as a penalty for fucking it up. That's just asinine, and guaranteed to lead to toxicity and conflict. Good game design requires you to start small and build up to high-stakes high-reward set pieces, letting the player learn through natural game progression how to tackle specific obstacles, and offering incremental difficulty increases to organically build player skill to prepare them for whatever end-game content lies ahead.
On one side, I feel attacked.
On the other, I'm staying at 1370 for a bit because I just don't have it in me to wipe on content through the party finder, even as a support Paladin.
I feel ya, As a 1370 3/3/3 support pala, I've yet to queue into Argos or Oreha hard as I just don't have it in me to actually queue into content where I know I'm going to end up wiping groups repeatedly on the initial run despite looking up guides and info beforehand.
What makes it worse for me is that I burned out after spending years (Vanilla right through to Cataclysm) almost daily main tanking mechanics and organising other tanking roles in WoW as part of a competitive raid guilds "officer" core, Now I'm here playing (and enjoying) another game with insta-wipe mechanics and I just don't know if I want to deal with that part again even though it's stonewalling my progression because of how much I hated it at the end last time round.
To be honest, I would actually want to figure out the mechanics while playing the dungeon itself. Atleast the first time.
I mean you wouldn't watch how to kill a boss video for any single player game. You would die a couple times, understand what the boss is doing and then figure out a clever strategy to kill it. That's the whole fun part right?
nobody thinks its odd for someone to want to learn from scratch. just dont do it at the expense of other peoples time and find your own party. its normal to find "try party" lobbies for first timers in korea but everybody in NA just join any room they find and give people hard time
Totally agree. It is fun for certain things finding out yourself but you should make your own group in party finder for that. Blind run or something because otherwise your fking 3 other people or 7 in 8 man raids. If everyone agrees on blind runs sure but what you wanna do is screwing others over esp when they aren’t going blind
I never thought fighting Igrexion and Yoho would be so fun.
Smashing your tail are you, Igrex? *HOOOARGH*
Trying to spawn tornadoes you silly fox? LMAO awakening time.
It was my first and prolly the last time today doing T2 abyss as I ended up rushing to T3 even before I could touch those domains thanks to the honing buffs.
Honestly the mechanics look fun to learn and explore but there was some guy who just said that he would quit after the 2nd wipe. We fortunately finished it in the third round thanks to a few high ilevel people. But it just feels like a shame that we didn't really get to learn mechanics because people don't have time to bother failing, as the game is some moral duty that they need to finish in x amount of time, so certain dungeons must not exceed more than y retries.
The game is genuinely fun but it feels weird to play full party stuff amongst bunch of people who are busy running 15 alts for heavens know what reasons and so any noob must come fully prepared with boss mechs to not make a fool out of themselves during the raids and roasted by these elite veterans for any slipup.
I don't think I will ever forget that one time when I asked a player (that obviously had no idea about mechanics) if he watched a guide and if he needs some time to go watch it and the response I got was "So you want me to cheat? You want everyone to cheat? Watching a guide is cheating!". From then on I always put EXP in my group name :D
I remember my first dungeon wipe in lost ark. It was necromancer Sigmund or whatever. We wiped like 3 times and then finally I went and Googled the fight mechanics and explained it in chat. Then we wiped like 3 more times before people stopped picking the wrong color. Now I never go into a new dungeon without having watched at least a quick guide because not only do I not like wasting other people's time, I also don't like wasting my own time. There's enough to do in this game that I already feel like I don't have enough time. I don't need to sit there bashing my face against the wall to figure out the gimmicks of the boss. All the "figuring it out is part of the fun" people who refuse to even look up the wipe mechanic are the worst for me, because they will cause wipe after wipe after wipe.
It takes less than a minute to explain most mechanics, and usually 10-20 minutes to find a new group, in my experience. On the rare occasion I don't get crybaby ragequitters voting to quit after a single wipe, explaining in chat what to do is usually enough to get a clear after one to three more tries.
Don't be toxic, be helpful. You'll clear shit faster, and if everyone did this you'd see a dramatic drop in people ignorant of mechanics.
Your choices are to whine, ragequit and waste your own time, or spend a minute explaining shit and be helpful. I'm guessing you'll pick the toxic option.
Alaric's Sanctuary is the worst I've encountered so far. But at least the first boss gives you a clue to how terrible the second and third will be. Even still, watching people boof Alaric repeatedly is infuriating.
Alaric's sanctuary is absolute pain just because of the last boss.
People either kept dying before the first stagger check or they wouldn't stagger him at all.
Me gets ready for new abyssal dungeon.
Alright let's watch a guide
Guide is 7 minutes
Also me OMG that's too long to watch!
Also me damn we only wiped 20 times but after two hours we finished it
I rather watch 5 mins befor i go in than learning mechs while raiding and whipe for several hours demotevate my team mates and myself. All though im sure we will ll whipe on valtan for couple hours regardless if we watch guides or not and im fine with that i just have problem with people that dont wanna learn
I have no time to watch a 5 min guide but I have 3 hours to wipe on the boss
You joke but wiping on a boss for 3 hours is the best way to learn mechanics. You will never forget mechanics after your first time wiping for 3 hours haha.
Idk man I wiped in Velganos for a few hours as a support and that was the least fun I had in this game yet haven't done it since
I still to this day have not completed it. I gave up, and haven't found the motivation to enter that hellhole, again.
Guess what, everyone else who knows the mechanics has no desire to wipe for 3 hrs on all of the super easy content in the game because they watched a 5 min video.
Then they should play single player games, or make parties with like minded individuals. I’m not trying to spoil fights by watching some bloated YouTube video.
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For real if he’s also talking about mmos and raids. There’s 3 people that watch and himself that doesn’t want to watch. Wonder who on that end is being the ass hat lol
It’s the other way around because most people watch videos and don’t want to spend hours in one thing. If you want to go in blind YOU should make parties with like minded individuals lol.
That's probably a symptom of how most people today are really good at quitting/ giving up early/ raging at mistakes. The days of having to fail to learn are gone. You just watch a video and work on the premise of efficiency seeing as being efficient as all anyone cares about. Gamers suck the fun out of games.
i don't really agree the game doesn't explain the mechanics to you so a lot of times you don't even know why you wiped unless you go watch a video or read a guide so unless you have someone on the party that knows the mechanic you would be there dying for 3 hrs without knowing why
>a lot of times Can you name one? The only thing that comes to mind to me is Argos P2 where you must communicate a mechanic to the other party. I've finished everything in the game except Velganos as a solo queue player at this point and I must say everything has been fairly intuitive so far. Stand in the circle, free your teammates, kill adds, stay out of red circle. You might not learn it on your first death, but you can definitely figure everything out within just a few wipes. Edit: Multiple downvotes, and yet not a single person can name a single unintuitive boss mechanic lol... Edit 2: 24 hours later and people have named 3 debatable mechanics lol so much for "a lot of times"...
>Edit: Multiple downvotes, and yet not a single person can name a single unintuitive boss mechanic lol You just said "You might not learn it on your first death, but you can definitely figure everything out within just a few wipes.", this is what unintuitive is. It's something that must be learned through trial and error. As examples, in many cases the game wants you to match colors to survive (Kaishur), and in other cases matching colors kills you (Alberhastic). In some cases you're supposed to avoid getting hit by different colored orbs (Kyzra), and in other cases you must get hit by different colored orbs (Karkosa). Sometimes you need to avoid breath attacks (Velganos) and sometimes you need to get hit by breath attacks (Flamefox Yoho).
This, yes, this so much.
2-1 last boss Abyssal dungeon is not intuitive at all. 4-2 last boss I'm not even sure how you would figure it out if no one knew what to do.
Sorry, what does 2-1 and 4-2 mean here? Edit: Oh, I see, from the queue menu. 2-1 last boss is Phantom King, I'm guessing you're talking about the 4 sword mechanic. There is a debuff on the player after they touch a sword. You can easily figure it out to not stack these debuffs, and post-nerf you must touch 3 swords to wipe the group now. The in-game pop-up message also tells you to avoid stacking cuts. 4-2 last boss is the 1234 12334 boss. The boss becomes invincible during the mechanic phase, so there's literally nothing to do but figure out what to do with the orbs. There are 8 of them, and 8 of you. It's not too hard to figure out that everyone has to take one to prevent them from reaching the boss. Nineveh tells you that it's trying to absorb power iirc. You learn you have to alternate the colors by messing up and getting knocked around after doubling up on a color incorrectly, but I think Nineveh has another message telling you about this too. And then it only takes a few more attempts to learn that the pattern the second time around is 12334.
why in the world y'all downvoting this guy when he's so right about these? sure if you say something like Flame Fox Yoho's buff mechanic, I'd definitely give you that it's hard to figure out something like that. but everything this guys says is true, these mechanics make a lot of sense and can be figured out in a reasonable manner
The nerf does make it easy to ignore the mechanics on 2-1 for sure, but as a group of 4 strangers that don't know what to do (prenerf), the arena is too big to see what other players are doing if they go to each corner, so what happens is you think you know how it works and you try to execute that but someone else sabotages you and you can't see what you did wrong (source: me trying to do it months ago with randoms and still failing after reading what to do and then me questionning if I was doing it right or not, I was). for 4-2, it's not like you instantly blow up once you do a misplay, you never learn what you do wrong except if you get the wipe at the end, but there is nothing specifically telling you "don't do this" as you do it, and again, you match with 7 other players, so maybe you do it correctly but not someone else and you are unsure if you fucked up or not.
you saying 1234 and 12334 clearly shows you read the guide. obviously it seems "clear" to you now because hindsight is always 20/20
even though it's true it feels easy when you know it, he's right that the game gives you enough information. I think it can be understood in a reasonable amount of time trying to figure it out
You are definitely the person who kills the group and doesn't even realize they did and gets carried.
Definitely not a former server first raider with 20+ years of MMO experience. Nope. No way. /s
Oh wow server first. What an accomplishment kekw Of a game that's irrelevant to this one
What game is irrelevant to this one?
You’re better off not engaging with these folks. They’re addicted to schooling people on “mechs”. When in reality the game is pretty piss easy to figure out without any videos. There are much harder raids in Destiny.
If you think that wait til legion raids ;). Have fun. It’s hellla hard even if you watch vids and no one is gonna take you if you don’t get a jist of the mechanics or watched how to semi do it unless blind group run. One person dying wipes the raid and a lot of the mechanics are nuts, not one person can fk up
I would agree for most bosses, but there is one that til this day I still don't know how I would have figured out unless I read it in a guide. Flame Fox Yoho - you need to stay either in the breath for a second, get hit 3 times by the balls or someone randomly getting the buff from being in the circle around her that happens rarely (in my experience). I would never at that point of the game notice that I have a buff or thought I need to "fail" a mechanic to get a dmg buff. NOTHING tells you about this, yes you have a buff, but I also have like 6 different buffs from other party members etc.
I'll give you the breath mechanic, but I still don't think you need the buff to kill Flame Fox Yoho so understanding the mechanic is largely optional. And as you said, you can clearly see the buff and read it.
I mean I wouldn't say you can clearly see it since my buff bar regularly (with support) goes beyond what the bar can show and it just shows a plus sign. I mean, yeah you can kill it, but it takes ages and it's WAY harder because of all the burn mechanics. Also, I'm pretty sure VERY few people know about Igrexions counterattack stance in the 1st phase (shadow phase) where he does a wind-up and you should stop attacking him. It's not that punishing and I've seen ppl do it once I think and I'm pretty sure it was by accident :D I mean yeah most of the other mechanics are intuitive, but they can do a better job at displaying some things I think we should be able to agree on that. Yes, a lot of the mechanics are not that punishing right now. I still hate flame fox :D
It does, you have no reflex to understand if you didn't wipe. Edit. Oh what you think those few things that just supposed to be known? Well it is now hard part of the game.
"You joke but wiping" "But wiping" Lol, butt wiping.
you say that but does everyone else have 3 hours for you not to watch a 5 min video? at that point that's just being selfish and wasting everyone else's time.
If this game didn't release in KR first, we would all be doing that. It is really sad that you are forced into watching a video.
Imo, learning the mechanics yourself is one of the most fun parts of MMOs. We went up until Argos P2 with only figuring it out in the game itself and I feel like you can easily figure out everything until that one. The P2 mechs are a bit more complicated compared to all the others before that, including guardian aids.
There's not a single mmo fight that you can learn in a 5mn video that would take you 3 hours of wipe to learn!
"aint got no time to..." meanwhile, Lost Ark Hours Played: 782
Aaaaand Group Wipe by Boss
1st boss in oreha every time
last boss of the second t2 abyss every time
Was that the gold and red orb thing?
its the one where only the sword buffs go for the party, and only one can have a buff at a time to stagger the boss.
Ah yeah that one, I'm still not 100% sure how exactly it works but have done it multiple times tho :D
actually, i meant Tranquil Karkosa's boss. the clockwise rotation wipe specifically. pugging that one is a guaranteed waste of hours. the red/gold orb is not too bad, at least in my experience was drawing a blank and didn't word my comment that well
Yeah it isn't if you have all 4 alive, but when 1 or 2 dies before that, GL :D
Tilts me to the ends of the earth watching 3 1385+ teammates trying to take the fight slow instead of just bursting the dude down in a minute.
Some of us do the research and still struggle because it takes practice. Those Argos pizza slices come at you a lot faster than in the videos. It makes me wonder if they are slowing the video down.
The speed of the slices may just be a perception thing. When watching videos you are focused solely on the pizza, ingame you are focus is split on the pizza, your positioning, and probably a couple other things.
Even the stars in Orehas last boss, I know the mechanic but I still die to it more often than I’d like to admit.
Sometimes this one fucks you over because you get unlucky with star placement too
I thought the placement was consistent? There's a picture out there showing you where each star spawns.
Really ? Maybe it's something I am not aware, I'd like to know if this exist. I have been in some raids where my correct star didn't spawn anywhere near my assigned position and I had no clue where it was.
First and second are semi random - for the first set, there's a 4, 6, and 8 at each cardinal. For the second set, theres a 4, 6, and 8 at every corner. The last set is fixed and the stars always appear in pairs: an easy way to remember it (approximately) is that 4 is N/S, 6 is NW/SE, and 8 is E/W. In other words it's N, NW, W and directly across for 4,6,8 respectively, which is just north (or south) and counterclockwise.
You can refer to the image in this thread. Super easy once you know the positions beforehand: https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/tzmigz/star_positions_on_albion_are_fixed_you_dont_have/
I think what trips people up is that the 1st placements are on the cardinal directions while 2nd and 3rd stars are in between them
Homie, a simple 3x+1 layout and this is an easy W. The spawns are fairly consisdent, they aren't cardinal , they are four corners.
First one is cardinal, second one is corners, third is a guaranteed pattern.
Ah so it’s even more fixed than I thought. We just do corners and never have a death
I have only done that one twice and messed it up both times. Last time I did it I had too much on my mind and forgot to check my number at the start so I panicked when that phase hit. The other 3 were still able to finish without me. I got it right on Argos though so I think I will get it next time.
Ehh I can do the sun so easily but the moon fucks me up because my brain wants to look at the pretty yellow
Tip from someone that died all the time to big pizza. Tip 1: Argus will give a very specific and long howl before big pizza. Once you learn the audio cue it's pretty easy to get ready. Tip 2: Big pizza doesn't extend to infinite. If you are outside the pizza, you are safe. Moon, Sun, doesn't matter.
FYI Argos does a long telegraphed roar before he does the pizza mechanic.
Shield 1 - Mechanic 0 I love it so much
My turtle brothers, where you at!?
Real chadlancers never die. I laugh at mechanics while I take another bite of my hamburger and wait for my taunt to come off cooldown.
Underwater 8-man raid PTSD is now kicking in... *1234, 12334! remember positions! everyone understand? JUST HURRY THE FUCK UP, GO FAST!* *\*Wipes 6 times in a row\** I to this day can't understand how I managed to overcome that raid...
Worst part is this boss is completly free once you know this
the funniest thing about this boss is that if the person that keeps messing up leaves the raid, it's easier to 7 man him than 8 man. this is why raid-wide wipe mechanics aren't "hard" they are just lazy
That means everyone had to play their part though… lol and in this case the guy that left didn’t. If the game adjust to less players that means the game is adaptable
I kinda like them tho, it's kind of a mini game, it's just annoying when people don't learn the rules.
Fucking hate when people say 1234 12334, I don't even understand how it explains the mechanic as someone who knows it, and they expect people to just understand right away
It pretty simple if you remember the main part of the mechanic which is to walk clockwise after positioning. 1234 means keep walking and don’t stop clockwise. The other one means to stop after going 3 times clockwise.
Only works with people with some knowledge on how to do the mechanic which is not many, most people either know it or don't. For people who don't know it, 1234 12334 is completely unhelpful hence why it triggers my when people say that expecting people who don't know how to do it to just understand right away
the mechanic is literally: take orb, rotate clockwise to the next orb, repeat. "1234/12334" just means to take the 3rd orb twice on the 2nd rotation, but easier to type so that's why most people use that notation
Yeah but like he's saying, the only people that know what that means already know what the mechanic is. It's meaningless to the person who's about to wipe your Karkosa run.
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I mean whenever I do argos it is always x3 for positioning. If someone don't understand they would ask for more details. What is it with players that go in to dungeon/raid without looking up any guide and expecting more experienced player to type an essay to them about the mechanic lol. Don't mind if you ask but not everyone has the time to type out super long messages when you could just abbreviated.
Ya I had no clue wtf those numbers meant when people were spamming them in chat. I did that raid once and never again.
That’s why I explain the mechanic “ move clockwise and gobble orbs alternate white and yellow
Honestly I never had problems with that one. I usually have more problems with Alaric. Mainly from people stealing others spots, not attacking the orbs, not helping the trapped players, etc.
what mechs? just press z when it looks like its gonna hurt
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Every gunlancer ever
To be fair, it's because of bad game design. You're supposed to introduce mechanics in an organic way and teach through gameplay. If your end users feel they have to look up third-party guides for every boss or dungeon, that's poor design.
If it was bad game design, shouldn't this game be long dead by now? It's certainly not the mundane dailies you have to do or the collectibles that keep players around.
A game doesn't have to be perfectly designed to be fun. Ultimately, this issue is a minor annoyance.
Asking genuinely, what would be a better design to introduce mechanics better?
Smaller/weaker versions of "complex" raid bosses should've been part of story or roster missions required to enter the raids/dungeons in the first place, and their mechanics could've been explained through the help of NPCs and/or more scripted sequences. This would allow people to see what to do and the consequences for failing in a less pressing environment, without potentially wasting other real peoples' time. Lets use Tranquil Karkosa as an example, and its "get down Mr. President" water/electric orb wipe mechanic. A story mission could've had you be reinforcements for an advance party of NPCs there to kill that particular boss, and you'd arrive in time to see them do the body-blocking of the orbs and them failing it because they're missing a person to keep every direction covered. You'd be directed to fill in and fight, and the NPCs would help visually show what to do and how not to fail. The system could ping a position to fill for you. It would act as a soft tutorial for the real thing, one that would only waste the individual player's time if they just don't get it. Making it a requirement for the real thing would drastically reduce the number of complaints about people not knowing the mechanic and groups rage-quitting because of that. Your first ever in-game introduction to a specific mechanic should never have the consequence of a real party wipe as a penalty for fucking it up. That's just asinine, and guaranteed to lead to toxicity and conflict. Good game design requires you to start small and build up to high-stakes high-reward set pieces, letting the player learn through natural game progression how to tackle specific obstacles, and offering incremental difficulty increases to organically build player skill to prepare them for whatever end-game content lies ahead.
Imma let this slide cause of your class tag.
On one side, I feel attacked. On the other, I'm staying at 1370 for a bit because I just don't have it in me to wipe on content through the party finder, even as a support Paladin.
I feel ya, As a 1370 3/3/3 support pala, I've yet to queue into Argos or Oreha hard as I just don't have it in me to actually queue into content where I know I'm going to end up wiping groups repeatedly on the initial run despite looking up guides and info beforehand. What makes it worse for me is that I burned out after spending years (Vanilla right through to Cataclysm) almost daily main tanking mechanics and organising other tanking roles in WoW as part of a competitive raid guilds "officer" core, Now I'm here playing (and enjoying) another game with insta-wipe mechanics and I just don't know if I want to deal with that part again even though it's stonewalling my progression because of how much I hated it at the end last time round.
To be honest, I would actually want to figure out the mechanics while playing the dungeon itself. Atleast the first time. I mean you wouldn't watch how to kill a boss video for any single player game. You would die a couple times, understand what the boss is doing and then figure out a clever strategy to kill it. That's the whole fun part right?
nobody thinks its odd for someone to want to learn from scratch. just dont do it at the expense of other peoples time and find your own party. its normal to find "try party" lobbies for first timers in korea but everybody in NA just join any room they find and give people hard time
Totally agree. It is fun for certain things finding out yourself but you should make your own group in party finder for that. Blind run or something because otherwise your fking 3 other people or 7 in 8 man raids. If everyone agrees on blind runs sure but what you wanna do is screwing others over esp when they aren’t going blind
I agree, but you are massively going against the grain with people on this subreddit.
Just wait till valtan
I never thought fighting Igrexion and Yoho would be so fun. Smashing your tail are you, Igrex? *HOOOARGH* Trying to spawn tornadoes you silly fox? LMAO awakening time.
It was my first and prolly the last time today doing T2 abyss as I ended up rushing to T3 even before I could touch those domains thanks to the honing buffs. Honestly the mechanics look fun to learn and explore but there was some guy who just said that he would quit after the 2nd wipe. We fortunately finished it in the third round thanks to a few high ilevel people. But it just feels like a shame that we didn't really get to learn mechanics because people don't have time to bother failing, as the game is some moral duty that they need to finish in x amount of time, so certain dungeons must not exceed more than y retries. The game is genuinely fun but it feels weird to play full party stuff amongst bunch of people who are busy running 15 alts for heavens know what reasons and so any noob must come fully prepared with boss mechs to not make a fool out of themselves during the raids and roasted by these elite veterans for any slipup.
I don't think I will ever forget that one time when I asked a player (that obviously had no idea about mechanics) if he watched a guide and if he needs some time to go watch it and the response I got was "So you want me to cheat? You want everyone to cheat? Watching a guide is cheating!". From then on I always put EXP in my group name :D
What? When did getting informed ahead of time become cheating? This is such a weird response XD
Some of us didn’t read Prima Guides growing up.
I remember my first dungeon wipe in lost ark. It was necromancer Sigmund or whatever. We wiped like 3 times and then finally I went and Googled the fight mechanics and explained it in chat. Then we wiped like 3 more times before people stopped picking the wrong color. Now I never go into a new dungeon without having watched at least a quick guide because not only do I not like wasting other people's time, I also don't like wasting my own time. There's enough to do in this game that I already feel like I don't have enough time. I don't need to sit there bashing my face against the wall to figure out the gimmicks of the boss. All the "figuring it out is part of the fun" people who refuse to even look up the wipe mechanic are the worst for me, because they will cause wipe after wipe after wipe.
i hate people that join parties and have no idea what the mechanics are
It takes less than a minute to explain most mechanics, and usually 10-20 minutes to find a new group, in my experience. On the rare occasion I don't get crybaby ragequitters voting to quit after a single wipe, explaining in chat what to do is usually enough to get a clear after one to three more tries. Don't be toxic, be helpful. You'll clear shit faster, and if everyone did this you'd see a dramatic drop in people ignorant of mechanics.
it also takes zero seconds to not join a party that you shuoldn't be in
Your choices are to whine, ragequit and waste your own time, or spend a minute explaining shit and be helpful. I'm guessing you'll pick the toxic option.
how is it toxic to not want toxic players in your party?
go create a first timers party, dont waste others time
Nah 1khrs played and I still like to go in blind guides take the fun out of it
What content are you going into blind at 1k hours played?
Well when you party wipe repeatedly probably slows you down considerably
have fun at the expense of others' frustration huh...
Destroyer, too. So much shield and chad'ing.
Is that chadlancer gameplay docet?
Snake!? SNAKE!!!
i always do but i can afford it, worst case scenario i just ragdoll around the boss for half a minute
Alaric's Sanctuary is the worst I've encountered so far. But at least the first boss gives you a clue to how terrible the second and third will be. Even still, watching people boof Alaric repeatedly is infuriating.
Alaric's sanctuary is absolute pain just because of the last boss. People either kept dying before the first stagger check or they wouldn't stagger him at all.
Gunlancer flair checks out. These mfers skip every mechanic.
Me gets ready for new abyssal dungeon. Alright let's watch a guide Guide is 7 minutes Also me OMG that's too long to watch! Also me damn we only wiped 20 times but after two hours we finished it
Remember early T2 when you read a guide and the boss still wipes the floor with you? I'm looking at you Brelshaza and Alaric.
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I rather watch 5 mins befor i go in than learning mechs while raiding and whipe for several hours demotevate my team mates and myself. All though im sure we will ll whipe on valtan for couple hours regardless if we watch guides or not and im fine with that i just have problem with people that dont wanna learn
I hate people like you