Déagol -> Sméagol -> Bilbo -> Frodo -> Sam -> Frodo -> Sméagol -> The fires whence it came.
The Ring committed suicide to get away from the endless streams of Hobbits.
Ring's so stealthy it can slip off a dark lord's finger but trips over hobbit toes - at this point it's basically a high-stakes game of Hot Potato set in Middle-earth.
*Frodo drops the Ring in the snow*
*Boromir picks the Ring up*
The Ring: “FINALLY, it’s the guy who actually wants to be corrupted…wait, why are you?”
*Boromir reluctantly gives it back to Frodo*
The Ring: “DAMN IT!!!”
Bby the point it got to Shelob, it was definitely like, "For the love of God, someone take me from the frigging Hobbits. Anyone, anything, but another hobbit."
*Samwise Gamgee picks it up*
"... I'm gonna die huh."
An old roguelike (Probably some version of TOME or a fork of it given the subject matter) had a character race that was A Ring. You played entirely by manipulating nearby creatures and getting found by a genuinely good character was one of the worst things lol
I spent the last half hour or so poking around, but it's really hard to find information about these old roguelikes. The definition of roguelikes has gotten changed so much that tracking down the classic roguelikes is a process of digging through a bunch on unrelated stuff. Add to that the base game is called Tales of Middle Earth, which is also the name of the recent LotR themed Magic expansion lol.
https://www.t-o-m-e.net/
I'm pretty sure it was a fork of this game. If I have some downtime at work tomorrow I'll dig around more out of curiosity.
The ring is a slow grower ?
Or maybe it was just stressed out, finally someone else ! and.....nothing ?
embarrassing, but after 500 years there might be some kind of disfunction.
Past the 500 years mark It is advised to have your ring checked.
Sauron: (after interrogating Gollum) The fuck's a hobbit?
Sauron: (after Pippin looks into the palantir) Oh, so *that's* a fucking hobbit
Sauron: (after the ring falls into the volcano) FUCKING HOBBITS!!!
I know it's a joke/meme but Gandalf briefly held in Bagend it, so did Boromir in the film adaptation. And atleast in the movie adaptation an orc holds the ring at the Tower of Cirith Ungol and so does Samwise in the books at the same tower.
Only in the movie… and even then Peter Jackson said in commentary that they made sure when filming him picking it up that he only touched the chain. They wanted to show it as temptation. Had he touched the ring itself, PJ didn’t think he couldn’t have ever given it back up.
But I suppose he could be added, as could whoever put it on a chain in Rivendell, plus in the books Gandalf held it twice.
In the book, Gandalf picks it up (in the envelope) from the floor where Bilbo drops it, and puts it on the mantel for Frodo to find. Then later in the *Shadow of the Past* chapter Frodo hands it directly to Gandalf who holds it in his hand as he and Frodo examine it together. When it’s pulled from the fire Gandalf drops it first into his own bare hand, and then from his hand to Frodo’s.
Peter Jackson also made changes so Gandalf never directly touches the ring, in this case in contrast with the book.
One of my favorite “might be true, read it online” stories is the guy who got struck by lightning, died for a few minutes, bought a scratch off lottery ticket to celebrate living, won big, and when the news crew came to film a recreation of the moment, he won big AGAIN
That was an Australian guy, I think back in the 70s or 80s. The footage of him re-creating/winning again pops up on reddit every now and then.
I’m pretty sure the prize was even bigger the second time around.
Honestly, deagol/smeagol finding it in a river by their homeland, well that's likely.
A hobbit deep below a mountain filled with orcs and stone giants? Yeah I cannot think of a less likely creature down there. Even the eagles lived nearby. Hobbits? What the hell is one doing there!
On the one hand, you lose a lot of your power as a wizard. On the other hand, you have easy access to weed dealers.
Could explain why he took so long to build his armies.
the rings were designed for specific races though, right? human ring wasn’t meant for hobbits. So what happened if a human wore a dwarf ring or if a dwarf wore an elf ring?
Would it still work?
I just went on a 15 minute rabbit hole after reading this because I never knew:
1. Where the ring was actually lost
2. Why Isildur was near any Hobbits (who I assumed were only in the Shire)
3. Why any orcs were near any Hobbits and/or Isildur
Long story short for anyone else who didn't know:
1. Sauron sent out forces to the Misty Mountains during the War of the Last Alliance to hold the mountain passes against Men/Elvish forces trying to cross through
2. 2 years after the war ended Isildur headed up there to go to Rivendell to chat with Elrond
3. Stoorish Hobbits lived in the area who'd migrated there long ago and were fisherfolk
4. Isildur and his crew were ambushed by Sauron's forces who'd otherwise continued to hold the passes even in his absence, presumably nobody knew they were there
5. Isildur was convinced to flee the battle and barely crossed the Anduin by himself to escape, losing the ring (or it escaped him) as he reached the other bank
6. At which point he was killed by remaining orcs
7. Obviously Deagol/Smeagol find it fishing thousands of years later
I've literally been finishing up an 1000 piece Middle Earth map today so it's quite cool to find out what was going on up that side of the mountains!
> 5. Isildur was convinced to flee the battle and barely crossed the Anduin by himself to escape, losing the ring (or it escaped him) as he reached the other bank
6. At which point he was killed by remaining orcs
isn't this shown at the beginning of fellowship (the movie)
Him putting the ring on was in an extended cut scene, otherwise yes. The actual location isn't mentioned though (you wouldn't know where it was anyway at that point).
They also left the context out that Isildur was going to Elrond specifically because Isildur -was- resisting it.
Do the characters in the Books know that Isildur was actually resisting it and was going to Elrond for Counsel/Help? Or do they think he was just absorbed by it and lost it in death?
I didnt finish the book series, I know, I shouldnt be here - but I didnt know if Elrond was aware of Isildur fighting it or if they all thought he fell to it completely
The One Ring:
Aww man here we go again, I prefer evil people not these crazy little guys.
Also I’ve always deemed the movie intro to be from the rings perspective, as if we’re listening to the ring talk and regale us with its story.
I like the idea the ring thinks Hobbits are crazy because trying to tempt hobbits with power and what they want most they already have in their homeland. They have bo dreams of power they just was chill.
Ring: I can give you the best pipe weed.
Hobbit: You mean the pipe weed grown by my third cousin? Already got a barrel of that in the cellar.
Ring: *Silent screeches*
I mean, didn’t it try and tempt Sam with a full and prosperous garden, that would flower and bear fruit wherever he stepped? He’d definitely grow smokeweed for his boys.
I love that that when he was shown all of that, he’s just like “but I don’t want all of that, I just want my little humble garden that I work with my own hands.”
I think it’s pretty clear that in the mythology of LOTR they have legitimate reasons to claim to be superior to humans. Like, being immortal for one. Also having a guaranteed afterlife they are guaranteed to go to even if they do get killed, and they can always go there early by ship.
So like, yeah, maybe they’re a bit racist, but like, they’re not wrong.
If I had a nickel for eveytime a hobbit had the ring I’d have 4 nickels
Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened 4 times
Edit: 5 if you count the 30 seconds Daegol had it
The most unlikely unimaginable creature in a goblin infested cave system. It was unimaginable for The One Ring
The One Ring:
-Oww man, finally. The G is back in business.
Then it's picked again by another hobbit
He was a Stoor, which is a breed of hobbit. The other two types are Fallohides and Harfoots. IIRC, they eventually migrated from the Vale of Anduin because of the necromancer and the wars in Arnor and ended up near Bree.
Species is definitely the wrong term to use here, as Elves, Men, Hobbits, and Orcs are all the same species.
> Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring – even as a rare event — Letter 153
Hobbits are elsewhere explicitly called a branch of “Men.” Gandalf calls Gollum “akin” to a hobbit. But the appendices explicitly call him a Stoor, which is one of the three divisions among hobbits (alongside fallowhide and harfoot).
The division between the men of Rohan and the men of Dale happened around the same time as the Stoors of the Shire and the Stoors of the upper Anduin. And yet we don’t view Bard and Éomer as members of separate species.
Ask the men of Bree
Also the Dunlendings knocked up Goblin women to create the Uruk-hai of Saruman which basically de-degenerated them back to the orcs Melkor had in Utumno
> Also the Dunlendings knocked up Goblin women
Hm... On that subject, why do we never see any orc/goblin women in the movies? Are they all stashed away somewhere and only used for breeding? Or maybe they're so ugly they're indistinguishable from males when clothed?
Also, lol... You gotta be either really bored and adventurous or just *really* desperate in order to go for a taste of that goblinussy...
>Gandalf calls Gollum “akin” to a hobbit. But the appendices explicitly call him a Stoor, which is one of the three divisions among hobbits (alongside fallowhide and harfoot).
Okay, this explains why there's always conflicting arguments as to whether or not Gullum was a hobbit.
The fertile offspring thing is not a hard rule of science, just a very common thing. There are several exceptions to the rule in the animal kingdom, and plants just don’t seem to follow it at all.
It’s really more of an argument *against* things being the same species if they *can’t* produce fertile offspring, than it is a way to show things are the same species because they can.
Basically in the Legendarium, if it's sentient and it's not an elf, dwarf, ent, or one of the twisted evil versions of those things made by Morgoth, it's a "man," Maia taking physical form discounted.
Even still, elves, dwarves, humans, hobbits, all the same species. Hobbits and men can have offspring, same as elves and men, all the same species but very distinct races
Edit: dwarves may actually be an exception. Just have to speculate one way or the other if they're truly a different species vs race since there is no record of dwarves having offspring with non dwarves
I would think that Dwarves are different. Elves and Humans were technically separate but were both created by Eru. Same designer, same design principles. Dwarves however were not created by Eru, Eru was only the one who gave them life. I doubt Eru did much to change the underlying "code" that Aule designed them with.
You mean tolkien? Thats how it was written in the book, and its not badly written, on the contrary, bilbo was the most unlikely creature to pick it up not because he was a hobbit but because he was a baggins. Known for never going on adventures and so predictable people could answer questions for them without asking them. Its talking about bilbo specifically, not hobbits in general, it just so happens that bilbo is a hobbit as well.
Hobbits are so rare that there are lifeforms that don’t know of their existence. I’m pretty sure the last thing the ring expected was to leave the hands/pockets of one hobbit into those of another, in a cave under a mountain kingdom filled with goblins.
I've got a question for y'all
Gollum lost the Ring when it slipped from his finger because it thought it is time for change of scenery. Same thing that happened to Isildur. But me thinks why not sooner? Gollum was known to eat goblin babies. Goblin babies probably stay at home, trying to eat other goblin babies, and don't get lost in deeps beneath their dwelling. I mean maybe sometimes, but it's more likely that Gollum went for them with the Ring on. Why not slip there, among goblins, that already serve evil? Is it stupid?
The Ring was still 'in tune' with Sauron. It knew he was gathering power again - after 500 years it could finally *feel* him again.
So, it slipped off when Gollum went out hunting for goblins. If a goblin found the Ring, anywhere in the world, then there is no doubt that eventually Sauron would have it again.
But then Bilbo practically fell on top of it in the dark and pocketed the thing.
Very bad luck for the Ring. Or, the hand of Ilúvatar, moving unseen.
Is that not literally what happened? The ring abandoned him while he was fighting a goblin, it just happened to be found by Bilbo before it was found by a goblin.
I mean, what are the chances of a *second* Hobbit finding it immediately after the previous one lost it, especially so far from the Shire?
I would have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice!
Déagol -> Sméagol -> Bilbo -> Frodo -> Sam -> Frodo -> Sméagol -> The fires whence it came. The Ring committed suicide to get away from the endless streams of Hobbits.
Can I stop being picked by a hobbit for FIVE FUCKING MINUTS?
They are closer to the ground, what do you expect silly ring
"Oh! Piece of candy. Ooh! Piece of candy."
^(stabbed by a Nazgul Stewie) There. They're dead. You're not going to be seeing them anymore.
It's an older code sir but it checks out
But why male models?
You're probably wondering why Smeagol is in hell... Smeagol liked eating little boys...
Argh!!
Ring's so stealthy it can slip off a dark lord's finger but trips over hobbit toes - at this point it's basically a high-stakes game of Hot Potato set in Middle-earth.
*Frodo drops the Ring in the snow* *Boromir picks the Ring up* The Ring: “FINALLY, it’s the guy who actually wants to be corrupted…wait, why are you?” *Boromir reluctantly gives it back to Frodo* The Ring: “DAMN IT!!!”
Just saw The One Ring drop to its knees in a Walmart...
The Ring when it's being offered to Aragorn in the movie:
Ring: F?&k me, I just got out of an abusive relationship with a Hobbit.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire
Out of the frying pan into another frying pan
I don't think he knows about second frying pan
A frying pan with PO tay TOES!
Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves
Nasty hobbitses
> Can I stop being picked by a hobbit for FIVE FUCKING MINUTS? *Gets dropped into the lava at Mt Doom* "NOT LIKE THAT!"
I need a ring version of monkey paw curl!
Imagine the shame the ring felt when Frodo tried to give it to Gandalf, then Elrond, then Galadriel, but each one of them turned it down.
And then Aragorn and then Faramir had a chance, too.
Bby the point it got to Shelob, it was definitely like, "For the love of God, someone take me from the frigging Hobbits. Anyone, anything, but another hobbit." *Samwise Gamgee picks it up* "... I'm gonna die huh."
It is really funny now that I think about it. I never noticed just how many Hobbits carried it and I've read and watched the movies countless times.
It really went Sauron > Isildur > Fish > Several different Hobbits Eru was working overtime making sure it stayed in Hobbit hands
That fish could've been king of the world, alas.
Patience! Not long shall ye abide.
"Two Hobbits? IN A ROW?!"
*Hey, try not to cloak any Hobbits on the way through Middle Earth.*
More like, idk, five. Think about it.
THEY ALL LITERALLY ONLY FIND USE IN BEING INVISIBLE I COULD MAKE THEM AN EMPIRE
An old roguelike (Probably some version of TOME or a fork of it given the subject matter) had a character race that was A Ring. You played entirely by manipulating nearby creatures and getting found by a genuinely good character was one of the worst things lol
Let me know if you ever remember the name, that sounds awesome.
I spent the last half hour or so poking around, but it's really hard to find information about these old roguelikes. The definition of roguelikes has gotten changed so much that tracking down the classic roguelikes is a process of digging through a bunch on unrelated stuff. Add to that the base game is called Tales of Middle Earth, which is also the name of the recent LotR themed Magic expansion lol. https://www.t-o-m-e.net/ I'm pretty sure it was a fork of this game. If I have some downtime at work tomorrow I'll dig around more out of curiosity.
Fucking funny 😂
Boromir had it for a hot second
Beg your pardon?
HE SAID THE RING COMMITTED SUICIDE TO GET AWAY FROM THE ENDLESS STREAMS OF HOBBITS
The ring was really hoping boromir could stick his man flesh in it that one time. Missed connections
The ring can change size depending on the user Boromir picks up the ring: :) Nothing happens: :(
The ring is a slow grower ? Or maybe it was just stressed out, finally someone else ! and.....nothing ? embarrassing, but after 500 years there might be some kind of disfunction. Past the 500 years mark It is advised to have your ring checked.
I hate my filthy mind
Nice hobbits! Nice Sam! Sleepy heads, yes, sleepy heads! Leave good Smeagol to watch! But it's evening. Dusk is creeping. Time to go.
Based on historical analysis, the ring was picked up by: 1 Angel 1 Human 5 Hobbits Hobbits are by far the most likely to pick it up.
Is this Tom Bombadil erasure? ...again
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Sauron: the fucks a hobbit
Sauron: (after interrogating Gollum) The fuck's a hobbit? Sauron: (after Pippin looks into the palantir) Oh, so *that's* a fucking hobbit Sauron: (after the ring falls into the volcano) FUCKING HOBBITS!!!
"Everyone is corruptible, just like me!"
Should've tried tempting them with third breakfast.
This is officially the funniest LoTR comment I have ever seen!
I know it's a joke/meme but Gandalf briefly held in Bagend it, so did Boromir in the film adaptation. And atleast in the movie adaptation an orc holds the ring at the Tower of Cirith Ungol and so does Samwise in the books at the same tower.
Why does it keep ending up in the hands of Hobbits?
You're forgetting Tom.. It must've really went, "oh fuck" when he picked it up.
I'm sure boromir had it in there too
Only in the movie… and even then Peter Jackson said in commentary that they made sure when filming him picking it up that he only touched the chain. They wanted to show it as temptation. Had he touched the ring itself, PJ didn’t think he couldn’t have ever given it back up. But I suppose he could be added, as could whoever put it on a chain in Rivendell, plus in the books Gandalf held it twice.
Yeah if holding by the chain counts, then Gandalf holding it in tongs should count too.
In the book, Gandalf picks it up (in the envelope) from the floor where Bilbo drops it, and puts it on the mantel for Frodo to find. Then later in the *Shadow of the Past* chapter Frodo hands it directly to Gandalf who holds it in his hand as he and Frodo examine it together. When it’s pulled from the fire Gandalf drops it first into his own bare hand, and then from his hand to Frodo’s. Peter Jackson also made changes so Gandalf never directly touches the ring, in this case in contrast with the book.
And Gimli's axe!
Also bombadil
Excellent point. I had totally forgotten Tom
So did Peter fuckin Jackson
I would have two breakfasts, which isn't a lot but it's just enough.
Well, the first Hobbit-thing wasn't from the Shire, at least. Smeagol and Deagol lived on the Anduin on the eastern side of the Misty Mountains.
Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies! We must go, yes, we must go at once!
We've had one hobbit, yes. What about second hobbit?
I don't think he knows about second hobbit.
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One of my favorite “might be true, read it online” stories is the guy who got struck by lightning, died for a few minutes, bought a scratch off lottery ticket to celebrate living, won big, and when the news crew came to film a recreation of the moment, he won big AGAIN
That was an Australian guy, I think back in the 70s or 80s. The footage of him re-creating/winning again pops up on reddit every now and then. I’m pretty sure the prize was even bigger the second time around.
Déagol -> Sméagol -> Bilbo -> Frodo -> Sam -> Frodo -> Sméagol-> mt. Doom It's hobbits all the way down
Apparently pretty good
Not terrible. Not great.
First of all, through Eru all things are possible, so go ahead and jot that down
i mean, plenty of orcs and goblins encountered it, they were just murdered by gollum. took a fellow halfling to beat a halfling
>murdered More like hunted and eaten
Honestly, deagol/smeagol finding it in a river by their homeland, well that's likely. A hobbit deep below a mountain filled with orcs and stone giants? Yeah I cannot think of a less likely creature down there. Even the eagles lived nearby. Hobbits? What the hell is one doing there!
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It seems to so obvious now, Sauron just wanted the damn thing back to reset it back to factory settings
"I keep getting fucking signed up to gardening subscriptions, get me that fucking thing back."
"Pipe-weed? Now there's fucking pipe-weed promos? Who the hell has my bloody ring!?"
On the one hand, you lose a lot of your power as a wizard. On the other hand, you have easy access to weed dealers. Could explain why he took so long to build his armies.
Orcs throwing pounds of weed into mount doom... "That should do it!"
He was just tired of the separation alert spam on his iPalantir
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
He just wanted to contact them about the extended warranty.
Turning off Hobbit mode is hard. It's not like it's an M you can turn around to become a W. Nothing changes when you turn an H upside-down.
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Did... did we just solve Lord of the Rings? Are the final mysteries unveiled?
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Unrealistic. Elves only use GNU/Linux.
Elrond: I'm on Linux bitch, I thought you GNU.
Is r/unexpectedERB a thing?
I did that with the lights on my fan once. Set them to dim and couldn't figure out how to undo it. Ended up throwing it into Mt Doom believe it or not
the rings were designed for specific races though, right? human ring wasn’t meant for hobbits. So what happened if a human wore a dwarf ring or if a dwarf wore an elf ring? Would it still work?
I just went on a 15 minute rabbit hole after reading this because I never knew: 1. Where the ring was actually lost 2. Why Isildur was near any Hobbits (who I assumed were only in the Shire) 3. Why any orcs were near any Hobbits and/or Isildur Long story short for anyone else who didn't know: 1. Sauron sent out forces to the Misty Mountains during the War of the Last Alliance to hold the mountain passes against Men/Elvish forces trying to cross through 2. 2 years after the war ended Isildur headed up there to go to Rivendell to chat with Elrond 3. Stoorish Hobbits lived in the area who'd migrated there long ago and were fisherfolk 4. Isildur and his crew were ambushed by Sauron's forces who'd otherwise continued to hold the passes even in his absence, presumably nobody knew they were there 5. Isildur was convinced to flee the battle and barely crossed the Anduin by himself to escape, losing the ring (or it escaped him) as he reached the other bank 6. At which point he was killed by remaining orcs 7. Obviously Deagol/Smeagol find it fishing thousands of years later I've literally been finishing up an 1000 piece Middle Earth map today so it's quite cool to find out what was going on up that side of the mountains!
> 5. Isildur was convinced to flee the battle and barely crossed the Anduin by himself to escape, losing the ring (or it escaped him) as he reached the other bank 6. At which point he was killed by remaining orcs isn't this shown at the beginning of fellowship (the movie)
Him putting the ring on was in an extended cut scene, otherwise yes. The actual location isn't mentioned though (you wouldn't know where it was anyway at that point).
They also left the context out that Isildur was going to Elrond specifically because Isildur -was- resisting it. Do the characters in the Books know that Isildur was actually resisting it and was going to Elrond for Counsel/Help? Or do they think he was just absorbed by it and lost it in death? I didnt finish the book series, I know, I shouldnt be here - but I didnt know if Elrond was aware of Isildur fighting it or if they all thought he fell to it completely
And when they go in, there's no coming out. She's always hungry, she always needs to feed. She must eat, all She gets is filthy Orcses.
And they don't taste very nice, do they precious.
Fumbling in the dark, no less.
Also, what are the odds it gets found by a hobbit a second time? Like what would the casinos give those odds?
The Secret Service: Sir, a second hobbit has found the Ring. George W. Bush: 😬
I need someone to make this a meme with a Nazgûl as secret service and Sauron as GWB.
https://i.imgur.com/JaQiCbp.png
Incredible
For some reason, this made laugh harder than the actual meme.
Ugh I wish reddit gold was still a thing. Here. Have a banana instead 🍌
Thanks! Have another weird meme https://i.imgur.com/cHNOBdG.png
Perfection 👌
These need their own post
Agreed. Way too good to be hidden down here.
Oh man, now do this but with the whole line up of hobbits who had the ring
https://i.imgur.com/feDdiPe.png
It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?
https://i.imgur.com/JaQiCbp.png
So W stands for Witch-King
Naturally, the Ring was perfectly ready to accept being picked up by a renegade reclusive Stoor, but a Harfoot with Fallohide ancestry? No sirree!
Not some block-headed Bracegirdle from Hardbottle!
The One Ring: Aww man here we go again, I prefer evil people not these crazy little guys. Also I’ve always deemed the movie intro to be from the rings perspective, as if we’re listening to the ring talk and regale us with its story.
It is essentially the ring’s story, or at least its recent history.
After all, who has a better story than One Ring the Carried? One Ring: "Why do you think I came all this way?"
I like the idea the ring thinks Hobbits are crazy because trying to tempt hobbits with power and what they want most they already have in their homeland. They have bo dreams of power they just was chill. Ring: I can give you the best pipe weed. Hobbit: You mean the pipe weed grown by my third cousin? Already got a barrel of that in the cellar. Ring: *Silent screeches*
***I*** love the idea of the ring trying to tempt people with drugs
I mean, didn’t it try and tempt Sam with a full and prosperous garden, that would flower and bear fruit wherever he stepped? He’d definitely grow smokeweed for his boys. I love that that when he was shown all of that, he’s just like “but I don’t want all of that, I just want my little humble garden that I work with my own hands.”
Okay, yeah, but the idea of the ring going "I can get you the DANKEST kush, brother" is hilarious to me. (Yes, I know it's just tobacco)
yes ... just tobacco ...
The narrator is Galadriel. Subtle way to introduce her without showing her too early
> Three were given to the Elves, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. okaaaay galadriel
I've heard no human say that about humanity. I think it's just honesty
"The human brain is the most complex structure in the whole known universe" - Source: The human Brain
there are plenty of a certain kind of humans who say that, though only about certain subsections of humanity, and they tend to kill a lot of people.
I mean ... I think it's pretty clear that the elves are more than a little bit racist.
I think it’s pretty clear that in the mythology of LOTR they have legitimate reasons to claim to be superior to humans. Like, being immortal for one. Also having a guaranteed afterlife they are guaranteed to go to even if they do get killed, and they can always go there early by ship. So like, yeah, maybe they’re a bit racist, but like, they’re not wrong.
Wasn’t the ring implied to have independent agency? Like “it wants to return to its master”
In a sense. It's agency is essentially an extension of Sauron's. The Ring is bound to his soul and constantly seeks to return to him as its master.
Although, just like Sauron, it would *absolutely* 'trade up' if it found someone stronger to serve.
May darkness everlasting, old that waits outside in surges cold drown Manwë, Varda and the sun!
The One Ring: I had already been used by one hobbit. Bilbo: yes, but what about a second hobbit?
https://preview.redd.it/e0l6n5ws3dnc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8beba870a09d6099622acc10a8baabccdcfeb88b
If I had a nickel for eveytime a hobbit had the ring I’d have 4 nickels Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened 4 times Edit: 5 if you count the 30 seconds Daegol had it
The most unlikely unimaginable creature in a goblin infested cave system. It was unimaginable for The One Ring The One Ring: -Oww man, finally. The G is back in business. Then it's picked again by another hobbit
Ya know,,,, they claim hobbits aren’t as susceptible to the powers of the ring. But the ring seems to be pretty damn susceptible to some hobbits
Hobbits alone held the power of the ring for nearly 600 years……..
Screenwriters?
Yeah I dunno what JK Rowling was thinking.
It really went from a dark lord that manipulates will, a King of fucking Gondor... and 3 different hobbits
Sir, the ring has found a second hobbit
https://imgur.com/JaQiCbp
Lmao well done
We've had one, yes, but what about second hobbit?
I find so childish and infantile cesuring the word FUCKING...
It's to make sure that kids read it. It's so fucking weird.
Um. Smeagol wasn't a hobbit. He was Riverfolk. Riverfolk "aren't all that different", but they are a totally different species.
He was a Stoor, which is a breed of hobbit. The other two types are Fallohides and Harfoots. IIRC, they eventually migrated from the Vale of Anduin because of the necromancer and the wars in Arnor and ended up near Bree.
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It's briefly explained in the Concerning Hobbits Foreword of Fellowship
I think it's in one of the appendices to LOTR. The appendices are pretty dry, so most people don't read them.
Species is definitely the wrong term to use here, as Elves, Men, Hobbits, and Orcs are all the same species. > Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring – even as a rare event — Letter 153 Hobbits are elsewhere explicitly called a branch of “Men.” Gandalf calls Gollum “akin” to a hobbit. But the appendices explicitly call him a Stoor, which is one of the three divisions among hobbits (alongside fallowhide and harfoot). The division between the men of Rohan and the men of Dale happened around the same time as the Stoors of the Shire and the Stoors of the upper Anduin. And yet we don’t view Bard and Éomer as members of separate species.
Yeah, elves are different by a matter of divine decree, not evolutionary biology.
So what you're saying is that I could knock up a hobbit?
Ask the men of Bree Also the Dunlendings knocked up Goblin women to create the Uruk-hai of Saruman which basically de-degenerated them back to the orcs Melkor had in Utumno
> Also the Dunlendings knocked up Goblin women Hm... On that subject, why do we never see any orc/goblin women in the movies? Are they all stashed away somewhere and only used for breeding? Or maybe they're so ugly they're indistinguishable from males when clothed? Also, lol... You gotta be either really bored and adventurous or just *really* desperate in order to go for a taste of that goblinussy...
>Gandalf calls Gollum “akin” to a hobbit. But the appendices explicitly call him a Stoor, which is one of the three divisions among hobbits (alongside fallowhide and harfoot). Okay, this explains why there's always conflicting arguments as to whether or not Gullum was a hobbit.
They are not a different species. Hobbits and Men can create fertile offspring. They are the same species.
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> Hobbits and Men can create fertile offspring I would like to subscribe to your patreon.
I've always assumed that to be true, but now that I'm thinking about it I can't come up with a single example of a half-Hobbit.
The fertile offspring thing is not a hard rule of science, just a very common thing. There are several exceptions to the rule in the animal kingdom, and plants just don’t seem to follow it at all. It’s really more of an argument *against* things being the same species if they *can’t* produce fertile offspring, than it is a way to show things are the same species because they can.
*whispers*: *species actually isn't really defined, we just like to categorize things and argue about it*
Basically in the Legendarium, if it's sentient and it's not an elf, dwarf, ent, or one of the twisted evil versions of those things made by Morgoth, it's a "man," Maia taking physical form discounted.
Even still, elves, dwarves, humans, hobbits, all the same species. Hobbits and men can have offspring, same as elves and men, all the same species but very distinct races Edit: dwarves may actually be an exception. Just have to speculate one way or the other if they're truly a different species vs race since there is no record of dwarves having offspring with non dwarves
I would think that Dwarves are different. Elves and Humans were technically separate but were both created by Eru. Same designer, same design principles. Dwarves however were not created by Eru, Eru was only the one who gave them life. I doubt Eru did much to change the underlying "code" that Aule designed them with.
Why do people keep repeating this and getting upvoted? It's flat out wrong. He was a Stoor. Stoors are a breed of hobbits.
Because it was said with confidence and people didn't know one way or the other. That's all it takes
Master. Master looks after us. Master wouldn't hurt us.
Master broke his promise.
I think they're more of a different ethnic group than a completely different species.
The Ring: "lightning never strikes twice." *BILBO FUMBLING IN THE DARK* The Ring: "oh FFS"
You mean tolkien? Thats how it was written in the book, and its not badly written, on the contrary, bilbo was the most unlikely creature to pick it up not because he was a hobbit but because he was a baggins. Known for never going on adventures and so predictable people could answer questions for them without asking them. Its talking about bilbo specifically, not hobbits in general, it just so happens that bilbo is a hobbit as well.
A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed
We've had one, yes, but what about second Hobbit?
Hobbits are so rare that there are lifeforms that don’t know of their existence. I’m pretty sure the last thing the ring expected was to leave the hands/pockets of one hobbit into those of another, in a cave under a mountain kingdom filled with goblins.
I've got a question for y'all Gollum lost the Ring when it slipped from his finger because it thought it is time for change of scenery. Same thing that happened to Isildur. But me thinks why not sooner? Gollum was known to eat goblin babies. Goblin babies probably stay at home, trying to eat other goblin babies, and don't get lost in deeps beneath their dwelling. I mean maybe sometimes, but it's more likely that Gollum went for them with the Ring on. Why not slip there, among goblins, that already serve evil? Is it stupid?
The Ring was still 'in tune' with Sauron. It knew he was gathering power again - after 500 years it could finally *feel* him again. So, it slipped off when Gollum went out hunting for goblins. If a goblin found the Ring, anywhere in the world, then there is no doubt that eventually Sauron would have it again. But then Bilbo practically fell on top of it in the dark and pocketed the thing. Very bad luck for the Ring. Or, the hand of Ilúvatar, moving unseen.
> Or, the hand of Ilúvatar, moving unseen. And pushing Bilbo down into a hole, lol.
Is that not literally what happened? The ring abandoned him while he was fighting a goblin, it just happened to be found by Bilbo before it was found by a goblin.
Aren’t we not supposed to know by then that Gollum used to be a Hobbit?
Sure we don't. But the person writing it did
Did he though, this was written in the Hobbit where Gollum was just a weird creature. Maybe it was a retconned later.
That's the whole point. Only hobbits and the like can hold the ring without the ring itself channeling Sauron.
Is that line not directly in reference to smeagol finding the ring? Like, the visual is of his hand grabbing it from the water right?