No! There's nobody home! Go away and bother somebody else! There's far too many dwarves in my dining room as it is. If this is some clotterd's idea of a joke, I can only say that it is in very poor taste.
Also worth pointing out that there’s a 17 year gap between Bilbo’s party and Frodo’s departure from the Shire. So Sauron may not even been at enough strength to be able to discern Bilbo at that point.
Or, yknow, Sauron was terrified of Bilbo.
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
The 22nd day of September in the year 1400 by Shire reckoning. Bag End, Bagshot Row, Hobbiton, West Farthing, The Shire, Middle Earth. The Third Age of this world.
This was one of the major differences I noticed in my last reading of the books. In the movies, Sauron senses Frodo almost immediately when he wears the ring, but in the books the ring just makes you more visible to the shadow realm, but they (Sauron/Nazgul) still have to be looking at you.
Sauron could sense the ring when worn only within the valley of Mordor, as Sam said when they left Cirith Ungol and descended into Mordor.
It could be interpreted that when Frodo sees the Eye, what's he's seeing is the equivalent of an all points bulletin. Sauron is now actively casting out his will beyond his borders. It wasn't a direct line to Frodo, but more like a wideband broadcast, Sauron yelling into the void.
To be honest, the ring spent 500 year in the hand of a half naked deformed hobbit,
At some point I would stop looking until I'm certain that said creature does not have the ring anymore
which happens during those 17 year soooo
The giant flaming eyeball doesn't know where it has to look. It just knows the name of the place. There's no "THE RING IS ON A FINGER NOW" radar that points it in the correct direction every time.
The one time we see Frodo getting face to face with the Eye was at Amon Sul, the Seeing Seat. There's Númenórean magic/craft work at play there giving Frodo the ability to see farther than ever and also making him more visible. It's also a highly visible vantage point to begin with.
The vantage point itself, being able to see further magically, and being more receptive to being seen magically are why Sauron sees Frodo there. It isn't a side effect of the Ring.
What about that time in the prancing pony, where frodo also sees sauron when he puts on the ring? Or did i remember that wrong and/or isnt it in the books? I can't remember
In the books, Bill Ferny and a Squint-eyed Southerner are spying for Sauron at the inn (they were originally working for Saruman, but the Nazgûl encountered them on their way north and forced them to swap sides, it's explained in the Unfinished Tales) and they report it to the Nazgûl, with it even being somewhat implied (though not confirmed) by Aragorn that they might've ransacked the Hobbits' bedroom rather than the Nazgûl themselves.
In the books there's no literal giant flaming eyeball at all. The "Eye" of Sauron refers to his watchful influence over Middle Earth. Sauron has the ability to potentially spy things at a great distance - as you've described - but he's not doing so through a literal fire eye that floats over a tower.
I think it was a good call, Sauron would have been less intimidating as a dude sat in his office watching his magic 8 ball and having back to back meetings with orcs and Haradhirim.
Yeah, I respect that view. It's easy to imagine a more physicalized Sauron as being basically just some bad guy, like in the old flash cartoon "One Ring TO RULE THEM ALL". It wouldn't be exactly the same obviously; the short is a comedy, but it'd be an easy trap to fall into.
By contrast, the other obvious approach is if Sauron has *no* representation and he's just a whispered name, but then... what the hell is everyone fighting? What commands the orc legions? It's just a little more abstract that way in a movie than it is in a novel.
He considered making Sauron have a body at the end, but doing so while also depicting him remaining safely cloistered in his tower would have seriously diminished his status as an overwhelming threat. So the idea was to have him stride out from the Black Gate and engage in battle with Aragorn, which would have taken place simultaneously with Frodo and Sam arriving at the Crack of Doom, grappling with Gollum, etc, and culminating in him being destroyed when the Ring melts in the lava.
They filmed quite a bit of this, but ultimately abandoned the idea as it undercut the sacrifice and struggle of the hobbits at Mt. Doom. If Aragorn won, it could easily have looked like Aragorn simply defeated him in combat and the destruction of the Ring was incidental, but if they had Sauron cast Aragorn down it would conversely make Aragorn look weak or stupid in a way that didn't work.
They kept some of that footage in the movie, but Sauron is replaced with a big combat troll.
Yeah, I remember hearing about this in one of the DVD featurettes... I think they made the right call to keep Sauron ethereal and abstracted, but still give him *a* representation. Still, I sympathize with concerns over how literal the giant, flaming eyeball seemed.
But functionally what's the difference between a really big eye, and a very tall window where Sharon can look over his lands? Either way he's really high up and can see a lot. A big eye probably looked better on screen
The difference is that the movie sort of implies that he IS the big eye. In the book Sauron is a dude who has a body and walks around and can literally talk to people. Just gives different vibes as to what sort of enemy the protagonists are facing.
I don't mind the big eye, I think it might have been the best choice for a movie trilogy. But there is a difference. I'm glad the book is the way it is.
Also its mentioned that after being stabbed by the Morgul blade that Frodo had become much more perceptive, seeing partly into the ethereal plane (sic, cant remember if that's the word for it) which would put him more in tune with seeing further while having the ring on
I def feel like I'm a way your head cannon is right
He was so pressured and drained by the time he hit the black gate that all he could really do was just go forward.
It's a fantastic meme first of all, but second of all, wasn't sauron the necromancer in mirkwood or wherever that the wizards and elves were busy Fighting?
Would explain some of his bitterness at old age. Big red eye must have been pestering poor old bilbo when he was trying to do illegal peek after adventure
My book lore might be a little off, but isn't in the case that Sauron cannot literally see the ringbearer, but he can sense when someone puts it on? IIRC Sauron still needs a palantir to see Frodo when he is at Amon Sul.
the book makes it clearer that sauron couldnt see who was wearing the ring or even that anyone was wearing. He also didnt know what would happen if the ring was destroyed because he thought the ring having been destroyed was a possibility
he COULD see frodo claim the ring because it was in his own domain on the volcano
Sauron: ‘I SEEEEEEE YOOOOOOOOUUUU…’ Bilbo: ‘lmao’
No! There's nobody home! Go away and bother somebody else! There's far too many dwarves in my dining room as it is. If this is some clotterd's idea of a joke, I can only say that it is in very poor taste.
Good bilbo
Everyone, climb into the barrels! Quickly!
Sentient
I...SEE....YOOOUUU!
Perfect bot
The eye has seen me\~!
Also worth pointing out that there’s a 17 year gap between Bilbo’s party and Frodo’s departure from the Shire. So Sauron may not even been at enough strength to be able to discern Bilbo at that point. Or, yknow, Sauron was terrified of Bilbo.
Definitely terrified of Bilbo
Bilbo: HWAAAAAARRRRR Sauron: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
There is no life in the void, only death.
He sees Bilbo when he closes his big eyeball
Yes, yes, it's all in hand. All the arrangements are made. Oh, thank you.
Gandalf, where are we?
HRAAAAH!
[удалено]
Wait!
What's wrong, Bilbo?
For things are made to endure in the Shire, passing from one generation to the next.
Sauron doesn't want people to learn about the long lasting consumer goods in the Shire
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
We both know this lightbulb isn't worth $10, Sauron. I found one that'll last 50 years for $0.50 in the Shire
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
Your products suck and are overpriced, I'm shopping in Bag End from now on
The 22nd day of September in the year 1400 by Shire reckoning. Bag End, Bagshot Row, Hobbiton, West Farthing, The Shire, Middle Earth. The Third Age of this world.
Bro went head to head with a dragon and managed to shit-talk it. Saroun was definitely terrified of Bilbo.
Dragon! Nonsense, there hasn't been a dragon in these parts for a thousand years.
We're giving you props here, Bilbo, chill.
Sorry, do we know each other?
Well, I know you, but I suppose you don't know me, that's true.
Smh so many parasocial hobbits these days acting like they know Bilbo just because they read his diary
Ah, yes. Concerning Hobbits.
You've got to look past Farmer Maggots gigantic balls to see into the Shire.
He wasn't even able to discern Sam wearing the ring at Cirith Ungol. The only time he did notice was when Frodo claimed the ring in Mount Doom.
This was one of the major differences I noticed in my last reading of the books. In the movies, Sauron senses Frodo almost immediately when he wears the ring, but in the books the ring just makes you more visible to the shadow realm, but they (Sauron/Nazgul) still have to be looking at you. Sauron could sense the ring when worn only within the valley of Mordor, as Sam said when they left Cirith Ungol and descended into Mordor.
It could be interpreted that when Frodo sees the Eye, what's he's seeing is the equivalent of an all points bulletin. Sauron is now actively casting out his will beyond his borders. It wasn't a direct line to Frodo, but more like a wideband broadcast, Sauron yelling into the void.
And when Frodo looked straight at Sauron at Amon Hem
I think in that case Sauron felt Frodo's gaze, but not necessarily that he was wearing the ring.
What brought the foolish fly to web unsought?
*Guth-tú-nakash.*
To be honest, the ring spent 500 year in the hand of a half naked deformed hobbit, At some point I would stop looking until I'm certain that said creature does not have the ring anymore which happens during those 17 year soooo
Eh, Gollum canonically wears clothes, unlike his movie counterpart.
He doesn’t know what we minds, does he, precious?
I mean, are we sure he wasn't just extremely racist and thought all hobbits looked alike?
"Sauron? Never heard of her." *Bilbo Baggins on the Dark Lord*
*Zat thraka akh… Zat thraka grishú. Znag-ur-nakh.*
And now?
“Sauron?! Barely even know ‘em!”
To Eilinel thou soon shalt go, and lie in her bed.
The giant flaming eyeball doesn't know where it has to look. It just knows the name of the place. There's no "THE RING IS ON A FINGER NOW" radar that points it in the correct direction every time. The one time we see Frodo getting face to face with the Eye was at Amon Sul, the Seeing Seat. There's Númenórean magic/craft work at play there giving Frodo the ability to see farther than ever and also making him more visible. It's also a highly visible vantage point to begin with. The vantage point itself, being able to see further magically, and being more receptive to being seen magically are why Sauron sees Frodo there. It isn't a side effect of the Ring.
What about that time in the prancing pony, where frodo also sees sauron when he puts on the ring? Or did i remember that wrong and/or isnt it in the books? I can't remember
Not in the books.
I'm pretty sure that sauron didn't even see frodo at amon sur, wasn't there a part about how it was close but Gandalf distracted his gaze elswhere?
I...SEE....YOOOUUU!
Seems pretty conclusive to me
Yes! He said he fought a shadow searching, and it went past them, I think?
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
In the books, Bill Ferny and a Squint-eyed Southerner are spying for Sauron at the inn (they were originally working for Saruman, but the Nazgûl encountered them on their way north and forced them to swap sides, it's explained in the Unfinished Tales) and they report it to the Nazgûl, with it even being somewhat implied (though not confirmed) by Aragorn that they might've ransacked the Hobbits' bedroom rather than the Nazgûl themselves.
In the books there's no literal giant flaming eyeball at all. The "Eye" of Sauron refers to his watchful influence over Middle Earth. Sauron has the ability to potentially spy things at a great distance - as you've described - but he's not doing so through a literal fire eye that floats over a tower.
Yeah, I get why Jackson went with a visual metaphor for that, but maybe a little more literal than it had to be.
I think it was a good call, Sauron would have been less intimidating as a dude sat in his office watching his magic 8 ball and having back to back meetings with orcs and Haradhirim.
Yeah, I respect that view. It's easy to imagine a more physicalized Sauron as being basically just some bad guy, like in the old flash cartoon "One Ring TO RULE THEM ALL". It wouldn't be exactly the same obviously; the short is a comedy, but it'd be an easy trap to fall into. By contrast, the other obvious approach is if Sauron has *no* representation and he's just a whispered name, but then... what the hell is everyone fighting? What commands the orc legions? It's just a little more abstract that way in a movie than it is in a novel.
Who is the master of the wide earth?
Yo momma.
He considered making Sauron have a body at the end, but doing so while also depicting him remaining safely cloistered in his tower would have seriously diminished his status as an overwhelming threat. So the idea was to have him stride out from the Black Gate and engage in battle with Aragorn, which would have taken place simultaneously with Frodo and Sam arriving at the Crack of Doom, grappling with Gollum, etc, and culminating in him being destroyed when the Ring melts in the lava. They filmed quite a bit of this, but ultimately abandoned the idea as it undercut the sacrifice and struggle of the hobbits at Mt. Doom. If Aragorn won, it could easily have looked like Aragorn simply defeated him in combat and the destruction of the Ring was incidental, but if they had Sauron cast Aragorn down it would conversely make Aragorn look weak or stupid in a way that didn't work. They kept some of that footage in the movie, but Sauron is replaced with a big combat troll.
Nice hobbits! Nice Sam! Sleepy heads, yes, sleepy heads! Leave good Smeagol to watch! But it's evening. Dusk is creeping. Time to go.
Yeah, I remember hearing about this in one of the DVD featurettes... I think they made the right call to keep Sauron ethereal and abstracted, but still give him *a* representation. Still, I sympathize with concerns over how literal the giant, flaming eyeball seemed.
But functionally what's the difference between a really big eye, and a very tall window where Sharon can look over his lands? Either way he's really high up and can see a lot. A big eye probably looked better on screen
The difference is that the movie sort of implies that he IS the big eye. In the book Sauron is a dude who has a body and walks around and can literally talk to people. Just gives different vibes as to what sort of enemy the protagonists are facing. I don't mind the big eye, I think it might have been the best choice for a movie trilogy. But there is a difference. I'm glad the book is the way it is.
Also its mentioned that after being stabbed by the Morgul blade that Frodo had become much more perceptive, seeing partly into the ethereal plane (sic, cant remember if that's the word for it) which would put him more in tune with seeing further while having the ring on
Amon Hen, Amon Sul was the original name of Weathertop.
Too right, you are!
Got to admit, I’m sitting here reading the Amon Hen wiki page because I didn’t know about the magical sight enhancement.
Crazy how much rich detail the insanely richly detailed movies can't even begin to add.
🤓
That bilbo, so hot right now
Oh right. You don't mind if I do, do you?
Sauron: "Shit, if I just close my eye maybe he won't notice me!"
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
you know i thought of this ia bit ago, but to whoever made this meme, thankyou. thankyou very much.
Thag you very buch
your very welcome.
Sauron secretly wanted Bilbo to finish his book before he launched an attack.
Not today! I suggest you try somewhere over the hill or across the water! Good morning!
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
Can't believe I've never thought about this 😂
“I see you” “I see deez nuts, lol”
What movie is this from again?
Lord of the rings
Zoolander
It is amazingly done by these two. How many memes have this movie made?
7
Anyone have a song name?
It's mix of "Who is She" and "The Perfect Girl"
I def feel like I'm a way your head cannon is right He was so pressured and drained by the time he hit the black gate that all he could really do was just go forward.
OMG!!! I laughed, slapped my knee, and tried to share my glee with my wife. “I don’t get it.” What?! Anyway, I want more Zoolander crossover!
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Always have done and always will.
It's a fantastic meme first of all, but second of all, wasn't sauron the necromancer in mirkwood or wherever that the wizards and elves were busy Fighting?
Who is the maker of mightiest work?
Would explain some of his bitterness at old age. Big red eye must have been pestering poor old bilbo when he was trying to do illegal peek after adventure
My my old ring. Well I should... very much like to hold it again, one last time.
HRAAAAH!
"Yes, I know you've seen me you blasted old chap! How many years have we been doing this???"
What's the name of the song?
Or it’s just movie inconsistency??
Sauron "RETURN MY RING!" Bilbo https://preview.redd.it/k9v91bpwh6vc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc0a3a43eb65dc0a23e04a27c7414a3695eb6b22
Where's it gone?
There is no flaming eyeball when you put on the ring. Sauron doesn't suddenly see you when you do it.
I...SEE....YOOOUUU!
He can’t see over the mountains. Also, curvature of the Middle Earth and whatnot.
My book lore might be a little off, but isn't in the case that Sauron cannot literally see the ringbearer, but he can sense when someone puts it on? IIRC Sauron still needs a palantir to see Frodo when he is at Amon Sul.
It is not for you, Saruman! I will send for it at once. Do you understand?
the book makes it clearer that sauron couldnt see who was wearing the ring or even that anyone was wearing. He also didnt know what would happen if the ring was destroyed because he thought the ring having been destroyed was a possibility he COULD see frodo claim the ring because it was in his own domain on the volcano