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New-Pomelo9906

This will take years


SAM5TER5

With a ship that huge, you’d think they would just extend a couple conveyors or something…


man0412

I had so many projects with my last job where we were designing and installing material handling solutions for situations just like this where companies were double handling materials and utilizing manpower to run dozers to triple handle material. It’s amazing how many millions were spent on these upgrades, and goes to show how costly double handling material is.


Existence_No_You

Very interesting, I'd love to hear more


Delazzaridist

I know my fellow adhd folk when I see one. I too would like to know more


unicodePicasso

Ah fuck, is that another symptom?


Delazzaridist

Yep, along with countless work-in-progress projects that litter your room (or your house).


mysteriousblue87

Right. Still need to attach the blades to my ceiling fan. Got the lights on it working just last week on October 3rd… oh…it’s April now?


Predawnlemonade

No no no. I no like being called out >:(


Narstification

I am a work in progress project, and that just represents my growth… hmmmph


fuishaltiena

No, it's a joke.


TheHorrificNecktie

wanting to know more is also just normal human behavior , aka showing interest. not everything is a symptom of a mental disorder. Coming from someone who has been quadruple diagnosed with ADHD.


EdgyAsFuk

Rood. I didn't come here to get called out


TinyTaters

Not everything is ADHD.


Delazzaridist

Ok


Expensive-Hat-929

That will take even more years.


BearJohnson52

I would love to hear how you would improve this method. Because if you knew a way I’d be a very rich man. They are not double handling the material. The dozers pile up the coal all the way to the bottom so no product is lost. They aren’t as necessary at the start but it’s a lot easier to scoop a pile than a flat.


man0412

My previous employer specialized in material handling solutions typically with telescoping conveyors, docks, and unloaders/loaders that would eliminate the barge and the dozers in this video. Loading up a barge first then a bulk carrier is double handling. Faster and cheaper to find a way to load up the bulk carrier directly. The last 2 projects I had were on the Mississippi River and we did this exact thing it just wasn’t with coal.


BearJohnson52

Yeah sure if you can find a way to load the cargo ship directly with telescoping conveyor belts that’d be better. But sometimes the place that has a coal pile isn’t able to load a cargo ship. And loading coal into trucks is way less efficient. Eliminating the barge is only possible if you have access to a dock that cargo ships can access and most docks on the Missippi do not have that ability.


carbonbasedbiped67

Vacuum extraction


BearJohnson52

They have those docks setup but nobody uses them. I’m pretty sure it’d be a terrible idea on a cargo ship.


human743

So the dozer handles it once and rhe scoop handles it the second time? How is that not double handling?


godmodechaos_enabled

It's "double handled" because the coal was loaded into water vessel A (barge), to be loaded entirely into water vessel B (ship). We know from general information that coal is not mined at sea, therefore, loading at sea is not a necessary step. Common practice does not mean that it is optimal practice - sometimes there are infrastructure constraints - horses remained the principal mode of long distance land travel up until the 19th century not because the principals were lacking but the comprehensive manufacturing infrastructure was lacking - you could give automotive technology to the Romans but they would not be able to build cars because they would need to first build the machines that built the machines built by interdependant industries and a global supply network. _This_ is the definition of double handling materials. Ideally the transport vessel would sail into a narrow channel and be loaded by conveyor from a proximate depot site - perhaps conditions where this coal is sourced made this infrastructure impractical.


AHrubik

After a short search it would appear that in this particular case unloading from a barge to a ship free floating the bucket scoop is the way it's done. There are barge unloaders for dockside work and there are conveyors that would load the ship but it would have to be done in a dock.


cheeseandcrackers87

Yep, I work on a wharf for an alumina refinery. We have ships come in like the one in the video that we dig bauxite out of and it goes up to the plant. When an alumina ship comes in the white stuff is sent along the conveyors to the other side of the wharf where we load it in on the ship. BX unloading is around 3000 tonnes per hour and loading the AL is 1500 tonnes per hour


socialcommentary2000

That's what's done in the vast majority of cases. The ships themselves carry unloader equipment that utilizes conveyor belts and moveable booms. This is some throwback 3rd tier port action.


MrHerbert1985

Still need to push the material to the conveyor somehow.


BuffaloInCahoots

More conveyors! I played Factorio I’m practically an expert at material handling.


juggerjew

Oooo that sounds like a game I would be able to put down


fuishaltiena

Check out shapez.io if you want a simpler version of it. It's still got conveyors!


dingo1018

Constant conveyer tumbling coal into vast steel box can create a bomb of gigantic proportions! All that lovely coal dust in the air just waiting for a spark!


scalp-cowboys

Pushing material into a hole with a dozer is about as easy as it gets.


MrHerbert1985

Don't think whether its easy or not is very relevant .


scalp-cowboys

Of course it’s relevant. The entire point of engineering a solution is to make the process as easy and efficient as possible. Even if you still need a dozer, the conveyor belt is the way to go.


MrHerbert1985

So how do you think the coal is going to get onto the conveyer from the barge anyway? You're not just going to be pushing it into a hole so I don't know where that even came from tbh.


JadedYam56964444

I wonder if the floating barge would move enough to put too much strain (up/down, side/side) on a conveyor system that, I assume, would need to be rigid to work.


RuthlessIndecision

True I think a continuously running belt with hoppers that the front end loaders would fill would do the same trick just getting over the wall and parking on the deck of the big shop I guess would be the challenges


ArtItchy388

Precisely!!!!


OnlyAd3485

Not with the guy on the edge pushing half of it into the water. Lol


texas130ab

He ain't doing no double handling.


Williamof3e

Lol


SphinctrTicklr

and I'll bet no one is wearing a mask


UkyoTachibana

decades


Ok_Confusion_1345

The 1.04 minute video is one cycle of the bucket. So each crane can bail over 50 bucketfuls per hour, there's 4 cranes. 200 buckets per hour, that barge will be clean by the end of the day.


Cyber0747

I don’t as just thinking, this is so slow and inefficient, idk how that’s even worth the time and effort lol.


Innisbrook

My guy literally plays the claw game for a living


TaserBalls

The Claw. The Claw decides who will stay and who will go.


burninatah

Claw has no children. His days are free and easy


Illustrious_Donkey61

The claw reminds me of a jumping spider


Odd_Cryptographer723

With those 2 big eyes .


JadedYam56964444

"All I get is coal. The ipod is just a tease."


Liz4984

Came to say it was “Master Claw Game Mode!!” 😂


bludvarg

and he belongs to you


BearJohnson52

Depending on what size barge this is, it’s about 2k tons of coal. If it’s a larger ocean barge then I’m pretty far off. But with three crane buckets they’ll be done by dinner or the next day. They do this all day across the country. It is the best method. They use excavators at most docks which move a little quicker. Just adding the barge is probably 295’ long and 16’ deep so although the bucket took what looks like a small amount out it does not take very many grabs to empty.


real_hungarian

thanks for affirming my belief that "if it was stupid and inefficient, they wouldn't be doing it", contrary to most others in this comment section


gymnastgrrl

Eh, it *looks* stupid and inefficient to me, but I know that companies like this are after profits, and time is money, so I assume this is the best - at least the best they can do in this situation. I'm glad it's not dumb, but it still *looks* slow and dumb to me, even though I believe it's not. lol


TinyTaters

Guy above says double or triple handling your materials like this is a waste of your money. Someone's lying.


BearJohnson52

They could tweak the equipment on the barge to improve the speed. But that’s not cost effective. And would barely make a difference. Most of the issues that arise when trying to redesign this method is that water levels change, barges are different sizes, etc. It’s simply digging a hole. Now the crane buckets are slow moving but they are huge and move a lot of product each scoop even if it doesn’t look that way in the video. I’ve surveyed thousands and thousands of barges being unloaded. If there was a better method they’d have done it. I’ve watched companies install brand new multimillion dollar docks and they are excavators to unload and adjustable conveyor belts to load.


Existence_No_You

Yeah most redditors can barely operate a tv remote much less a heavy machine like that


HairballTheory

I saw four buckets


Longjumping_West_907

I've seen a crew unloading rock salt using claws. The salt crew must have had more experience than these guys because they were moving more than twice as fast.


BearJohnson52

Im guessing the guy filming is a surveyor or important and they are making sure they don’t have any spillage on camera.


Ok_Confusion_1345

Do you realize how big those cranes are? Look at the size of the buckets compared to the dozers on the barge.


Longjumping_West_907

Yes, my eyes work. Can you read? THE SALT CREW I WAS WATCHING WAS MOVING THE SAME EQUIPMENT TWICE AS FAST AS THE COAL CREW IN THE VIDEO.


SadPhase2589

This is the best we can come up with?


Low_Association_1998

There is such a thing as a self unloading bulk carrier, but this is a barge and this is relatively efficient. We can’t use bays like in trains, and we can’t tip it upside down like train cars, so this is about as good as it can get


Williamof3e

Lol


homeownur

Wait until you see the video where the big buckets cleared 90%, and now 30 people are shoveling the rest by hand.


V1k1ng1990

There’s no way in hell I would be that heavy equipment operator


RuthlessIndecision

That would be super long days of doing that all day long days all day long days all day


V1k1ng1990

That’s being a heavy machine operator anyway. I just wouldn’t do it on a barge haha. One of those timbers holding the coal in breaks and you’re in the ocean with thousands of pounds of coal pouring on you


Large_McHuge

Claw looks like a jumping spider


NetCaptain

This is a geared ( i.e fitted with cranes ) bulk carrier loading coal from barges somewhere near-shore. Yes ships cranes are smaller and slower than shore-cranes but this operation does not need a port, no port terminal, no tugs, no pilots, etc so it saves a lot of cost. Shipping is the most competitive biz in the world so we may assume it’s not as inefficient as it seems to the layman. Hope we get rid of coal soon, though


notDrewM1A

Seems like a conveyor system would be worth its weight in… coal, here.


BearJohnson52

They have conveyor systems on some docks. A excavator still uses a bucket to empty the product into a pit that empties onto a conveyor belt. Water levels change. This is the best method.


NotRobPrince

This is 100% not the best method. This is just the method they have installed here and the one that they’re not going to replace when they already have a working method that does what they need. There will be tons of ways to do this faster, but obviously the benefit of that doesn’t outweigh the cost of implementing them.


BearJohnson52

I literally do this for a living. And cost effectiveness is the best method.


NotRobPrince

Brother we literally have continuous ship unloaders for this. Just because this dock doesn’t have the money to switch, doesn’t make this the best method. I already said that for them, it’s all they need. Doesn’t make it the best method.


BearJohnson52

It’s a cargo ship.


Animorphosis

I could see some sort of industrial vacuum excavator being used.


dingo1018

A better idea might be a bucket wheel tossing the coal into a belt with little walls, not sure what that's called but I have seen them, basically a never ending run of boxes so the coal can run up hill, because that's really the issue, the coal has to be raised before it can fall under gravity into the hold. But coal dust is mighty dangerous stuff, there must be a good reason they are doing it that way.


hadriantheteshlor

You'd have to be moving a shit ton of air for that to be faster. You might be able to leverage the power plant in the cargo ship for that, but the equipment would weight an awful lot. I'm sure someone has done the math, but it would have to cost millions in fuel just to move the vacuum equipment around everywhere the ship goes. 


Savagemac356

The little dozers are just out there doing their best


rklab

Does he get extra points if he grabs one of the bulldozers?


BitumenBeaver

They always slip off the claw right before you get it over the cargo bay.


Thom_With_An_H

You've got to hook the tag.


IceTitan420

Now we're asking the real questions.


EastDragonfly1917

Looks so inefficient


theoriginalbrick

Do you have anything to say about bridges as well?


EastDragonfly1917

How well versed are you in quantum physics?


Sample_Age_Not_Found

Wtf is wrong with you


EastDragonfly1917

Nobody asked for your lame input


theoriginalbrick

What do you have to say about dating women?


EastDragonfly1917

I would suggest to you that instead of using your fleshlight once a month, you should try dating (human) women instead.


Whole-Boss99

Very similar to how solar is unloaded as well.


Emergency_Shirt_4464

At least there’s a monetary incentive for them not to dump half of it in the ocean as they precariously lift it over the water. Everyone wins


yazzooClay

I bet this dude wins a prize at every claw machine.


Extreme_Barracuda658

That's a barge, not a boat.


rainscope

r/HumansForScale


keybored13

howd they get the bulldozers on


greeceball84

With those cranes they probably put in the cargo bay to get it out


keybored13

possibly


[deleted]

I was also curious about this


Beneficial_Being_721

[A little Lake Freighter Unloading history “Cleveland's Forgotten Hulett Unloaders”](https://youtu.be/S2B-V2n4b34?si=GaXQe8NC7q7B__df)


RRumpleTeazzer

How many weeks does this take ?


eastcoasttoastpost

Sorry ocean !!


greenmeeyes

And these guys go to work and they are just like fighting over who gets to do which job part cause "and today I drove the bulldozer on the coal barge I duno what I did but I'm so happy it was fun, I think the boss likes me"


Loudog-319

This is how we power your electric cars.


Red__M_M

Generating power with a massive industrial grade plant whose sole purpose is to generate power is significantly more efficient than generating power with an engine small enough to fit in a car (for example, a car throws away waste heat whereas a power plant can use it to some extent). Also, electricity will be generated with the most efficient means possible. For example, nuclear power is ultra clean and ultra cheap (incrementally speaking), so if available, that is what is powering your car (or solar, or wind, or hydro, …. Natural gas is much better for the environment that gasoline…) as opposed to a gasoline car which has only one option


MerelyMortalModeling

Its really not that much more efficient. Once you figure in transmission, step down, and battery loss the efficancy of a well built electical car is about the same as a well built ICE car, a little better in the summer, a little worse in the winter. Yes if you have enough roof top solar to run your charger is better but thats pretty rare. Also, much of the "waste energy" from a modern car goes to running its catalytic converter.


PsychologicalDots

So nobody talks about the costs and resources it takes to make a battery for all those "clean" cars? Or think about the wind turbines in the sea, placed by giant ships running 24/7 on lmg or something.


StupendousMalice

Looks like you aren't talking about it either, just spouting whatever dumb "just asking questions" bullshit you read on Facebook.


PsychologicalDots

Well I'm pro nuclear energy but I'm against pushing electric vehicles as a "green label". I'm not on Facebook so I can't compare my words. I'm sure there is a lot of bs.


jawnlerdoe

You have a point. Toyota has said, if we are to go full electric by 2035, humanity will need to make 27 new lithium mines a year, until 2035. Ignoring the impossibility of this, the resources required and both environmental and societal impact of this are absurd. Electric is the future, but it’s further than people think. PHEV are the most logical next step. The raw materials to make one Tesla battery can make 130 Prius, and that Prius can make 80% or journeys for 80% of people on 100% electric.


throwaway_12358134

Thats a stupid take. Only about 17% of electricity in the US comes from coal. On top of that a coal power plant is more efficient than an ICE engine. Car engines typically throw away 70% to 80% of the energy they generate in the form of waste heat. Coal plants typically only throw away 55% to 70%. New power plants that would be built to accommodate the increased electricity usage would not likely be coal either because it's not the cheapest fuel source anymore. There haven't been any new coal plants built in over a decade and most energy companies are seeking to decommission the ones they have. Renewable energy has been the fastest growing source because it has been cheaper and easier to set up.


pigman769

HOW DONYOU KNOW THAT I DOKT THINK UR RIGHT


agarwaen117

100% of my car’s power comes from my roof. K thanks.


Hylian-Loach

You sure it’s not from the sun?


agarwaen117

That’s ridiculous, you think it runs on light? It’s called and electric car, not a light car.


SameAir8235

This doesn't seem very practical unless these are robots running 24/7....Or a city job 😳


OldBlue2014

Post also to r/pareidolia. These buckets look like some kind of insect heads with big mandibles.


rimbletick

Those are some Pixar-ready coal bins.


Bnewgie

Why does it look like a little crab face? I love that it looks like a little crab! 🦀


WaylonJenningsJr

For once i actually liked the background music. Anyone have the title by some chance?


dethb0y

I gotta say i would not be thrilled to drive a tractor on a pile of coal while giant buckets were looming overhead scooping it up.


Ok_Confusion_1345

It takes courage to work with machines like that.


Skytraffic540

Fifty cents per play


Upper_Extreme5661

Spicy Sand


Dielektrix

Send in another crab machine!


loulou1428

Looks super efficient


wellthatsyourproblem

Ppffffttt!! .. Canada's carbon tax will stop this shit in minutes!!


Upper_Extreme5661

The grabber has eyes


jk72788

It’s a giant claw game


top_of_the_scrote

looks like eyes


ChesterDrawerz

Why is video backwards? Left is right, right t is left.


Existence_No_You

Sign me up


sdenis90

Yoo what?!..


IceTitan420

How long roughly would it take to empty that barge?


OsamahBinLaggen

Why not use a giant vacuum cleaner type solution? Serious replies only pls


Affectionate-Art3429

Burning it would seem faster


Icy_Cheesecake_8240

THIS…. This his how I want claw machines to work


lovely_poopy

A lot of cold when that channel


mprks

Anyone else seeing a dangling jumping spider grabbing the coal?


Dinestein521

For electric cars…


me_4_prez

Wall-E?


Calm-Macaron5922

Just think of how many teslas this coal will provide power for


Klin24

Unloading 16 tons What do you get? Another day older And deeper in debt St Peter don't you call me Cause I can't go I owe my soul To the company store


mcshanksshanks

Now all we need is Big John down there with an extra large shovel


Ok_Confusion_1345

16 tons with each pass, maybe.


1320Fastback

I thought this would take ages but then saw other clampy boys


mpaton83

I thought we weren't burning that stuff anymore?


onceupona5gum

Looks like a jumping spider


Davoguha2

As someone who frequents subs such as WCGW, and am recently being recommended this sub... As interesting as machines are, in action - I watched the whole thing waiting for a spark, or spill. Yet, not entirely disappointed by the recommendation.


PlasticPiccollo

I’ve been practising for this my whole life


youaretheuniverse

So that’s where all that shit goes


dx80x

Cutest machine-spider I've ever seen


SalsaForte

Why the mirror video!?! Horizontally flipped.


IAmAWretchedSinner

The bucket scoops remind me of those wee tiny spiders with the big eyes.


Miggy88mm

We need more nuke plants.


fuishaltiena

Why are these videos mirrored?


redplanetlover

I could see where a big damn vacuum would be efficient.


Masala-Dosage

Goodbye climate


JadedYam56964444

It is like watching people at a buffet


Reaganson

Those shovels look like giant jumping spiders.


EWR-RampRat11-29

Cute little crab jumping spider looking thing.


ThatVegasD00d702

At least it’s not playing that stupid Hoist the Colors song


Desperate-Code-3962

Looks like a cute little crab doing such a good job


Dorny_Hude

r/megalophobia


Psychological-Air807

Looked like a jumping spider.


ambulanc3r

Shop vac


Street-Resort2817

Pixar will make a movie about the little coal harvester sunk at see that survived against all odds. Looks like a cute spider


jethronsfw

How painful


MURMEC

that looks wildly inefficient


WonderfulAge3060

The claw!


Morphing_Mutant

I'm just some dipshit but I feel like there's a quicker way to do this.


DATY4944

Probably shipped from Canada, where they are reducing natural gas exports because its bad for the environment, increasing carbon taxes on Canadians, and the only alternative they're providing to countries like China is coal. So much better for the environment /s


BlackMagicDevil

Tugboat guy here. Having two single lines holding that barge is crazy in my opinion. There's so much slack as well. I might be wrong but my company would never tie up like that for multiple safety reasons....


Generaldisarray44

Hell yeah


dendronee

Music seems a bit dramatic for such an event


dendronee

Music seems a bit dramatic for such an event


esquire_the_ego

I was expecting an explosion, a fire rescue team and a crying baby


SlightlyOffended1984

The lil guy has Pixar Cars eyes


obzerver666

Let's pollute the world and use coal


TowelFine6933

Gotta offload all that coal before it can be used to make electricity to charge up the electric vehicles.....


Odd_Web6206

More efficient than when I clean up after my boxes of LEGO spill over...


donniesuave

I’m thinking big vacuum instead


Either-Pollution-622

Lol yes


BladeLigerV

It looks like it will take forever to unload that barge.


PretendStudent8354

I have to ask is that wood on the side of the barge holding back all that coal weight?


Sackfondler

The music makes me want to join the us army


washy93

Why does every video now have some stupid ass background music or song and not just the original video?


DarthBankston

That claw looks like a jumping spider!


irascible_Clown

Mm the spice


dragjamon

The claaawwww


djGuiltyP

The bucket doing the scooping reminded me of Wall-e.


Beneficial_Being_721

The slow way to unload


313SunTzu

There's gotta be a better, faster and just overall more efficient way to do that...