Sally Draper, washing dishes with Playtex gloves on instead of being in Spain, while her dying of cancer mom sits, beautifully dressed, at the kitchen table smoking.
One hopes! Sally is the one I'd love to see a follow up program centering. Sally at college, making her way in the world, dealing with relationships, given what she's seen and experienced and her age in the turbulent 60s and 70s..
This is the correct answer, according to me, a person whose mother is exactly Sally's age, and whose maternal grandmother died after spending the last twenty years of her life smoking at the kitchen table.
Agreed. Only sad he didn’t get a more gracious exit, like severance pay, letter of recommendation etc. Instead he got a gruff ‘you people!’ and a handshake.
He probably *did* wind up with severance pay and a reference letter from Don, but the show isn’t going to show us twenty minutes of Sal haggling with HR.
I’m sad they didn’t bring him back in the Hollywood party that Don almost drowned at. We should have seen him there as an up and coming TV director, instead of Danny.
It wasnt just that Sal rejected Lee's advance, it's that Sal could out Lee now. If anyone found out Lee came on to a man, it would probably ruin Lee. The show makes a big deal of showing that being a gay man is not acceptable in that society.
If it had been Joan, he may have been pissy, but not nearly as vengeful. Sure, she could tell everyone he came on to her but it wouldn't really be anything damaging to Lee, no one else really got repurcussions for being that way.
I genuinely didn’t see flirtation on Harry’s part though, felt more like he was being schmoozy and wanting to try his hand at being a starmaker in the entertainment industry.
As a gay man, I think it's easy for a viewer and Harry himself to confuse the nature of his infatuation. It was probably both types of desires coming together.
I thought that too initially, but there’s another scene where he and Don go to The Rolling Stones concert, and Harry has a weird aside about how good looking Charlton Heston is.
Yeah. He made Don an accomplice to embezzlement. Unknowing, sure, how would Don prove he wasn’t in on it if the other partners suspected he was? Giving Lane a dignified exit of resignation was a generous gift.
We forget that the loan was for as much as half the typical house price of the time. They have a lot of money floating around… but 9k in 1963 is 92,000 in today’s money. Lane was in a huge hole.
old enough to be sharing facebook memes reading "My parents beat me with the belt when I misbehaved, that's why I didn't grow up a whiny they/them snowflake 💪😎 "
I think the part where she saw where her dad grew up maybe kept her grounded. My father used to tell me chicken soup for the soul stories like they happened to him and I grew up CRIPPLINGLY EMPATHETIC he did not do this to my younger sister cause I found out he was lying and she’s grown into the absolute worst adult.
Pete wasn't a progressive just because he wasn't comfortable with overt racism. He was still sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, classist, and an all around grimey little pimp.
Idk. I think he's Progressive with respect to racism. Just because he's not Progressive in the modern sense, doesn't mean he wasn't Progressive in some aspects in the setting of the show.
Pete was probably the best he could be, given his combination of privilege and emotional neglect. There was a throwaway line in S1 that his brother had killed a cyclist!
Additionally how he talks about mental illness and addiction is not progressive either. Saying “those people” are weak, “those people” have no self-control. Not saying he isn’t a product of his time, just arguing with the sentiment that Pete was progressive. Kurt, Smitty, Megan, and Ginsberg were probably the most progressive at that agency overall. As progressive as you can be working in that kind of business lol
EDIT: Removed Peggy from the list because y’all changed my mind!
Ginsberg was progressive. Peggy was not. She was self-serving. She was completely non-intersectional. She just wanted improvements for her, as a woman.
Yeah, I don’t view Peggy as being very progressive either. Maybe about LGBT to some extent (seemed p accepting of Joyce from what I remember) but not race.
agreed. But also she was just so self-centered she didn't grasp her own privilege and where other minorities lacked it. Like, she absolutely got screwed over as a woman, as did others. But I really disliked her Rugged Individualist streak. And RI ain't Progressive.
Pete was progressive for his time. We can look down on all of his flaws and biases with the lens of 2024. Like Pete wouldn’t know what to say if he had to list his pronouns before every conversation sure but to say that say he wasn’t progressive disingenuous.
Progressive denotes progress which is something that become more and more over time. For his era of entitled rich white men, Pete was at least aware. Was he problematic? Of course, they all were just like we all will be in a 2050 world.
Don was right to fire Lane and gave him the grace of resigning and a good recommendation and he was not responsible for Lane’s choice. Lane could have asked for a loan but he had too much pride, because Don would have given him one
She should’ve demanded partnership in the beginning. They had to bring her in before they left because she’s the only one who knew where anything was. Also — everyone said that her and Lane ran the office.
Why would an office manager be a partner?
Good salary? Yes. Great benefits? Yes. Good office? Yes. Being a partner in a company poised to go public? No. Wouldn’t happen now and wouldn’t happen in the 60s unless something else was at play.
We know what that was for Joanie.
Stock options aren’t an uncommon thing to be given to founding employees of a start up.
And she was much more than just your run of the mill office manager. She was basically the COO but they were too sexist to realize it
A Managing Partner absolutely has their eye on the administrative aspects of a business. Plenty of law firms have attorneys in that role. Joan deserved partnership long before Jaguar.
A good office manager will take over something that has been set up by the founders and continue it. In this case she was called out of retirement to set up a new business because she knew how the predecessor had functioned. It was effectively a very large promotion in terms of responsibility, and on a practical level will involve new relationships with banks and accounting departments at vendors and clients. Lane would be involved, but she clearly wasn’t just ordering office supplies, she managed a significant portion of operations. This became more evident from the respect we see in her meeting with the business school management professor.
Today she would be a partner the moment SCDP became operational. So would Peggy. Everybody in that room would actually receive shares because they were taking on a huge risk.
Actually, it’s completely unbelievable that Harry was never made partner. I get that he was a douchebag, but that guy made bank for SCDP. He would get offers from everywhere, including McCann. If he was so irredeemable he would have walked out ages ago.
Idk Duck mentions offhand to Pete that Harry had been working with him (repeatedly) - meaning he was looking for other opportunities and opted to stay at SCDP. He also doesn’t seem to have been important to the McCann buyout - if he ended up there, it was probably some middle management bullshit position. At SCDP, Harry was a big shot (and they were willing to put up with his personality - even if no one actually liked him). At no other firm would he be so instrumental or important.
For sure, there was a Betty/Glen post two days ago, and the top comment was that Betty didn't realize the effect she was having on Glen. Like, yeah, Betty, the queen of societal rules, didn't realize how inappropriate that relationship looked.
I didn't like it when Peggy wore the red hood and red cape to the office. And can Alexis Bledel please stop getting tortured already?! She went through enough in Gilead without her electro shock therapy in Mad Men. Justice4Alexis!
Sally would not have turned out well. She may be wealthy, but I imagine she had serious psychological issues for a long time, and I have a hard time believing that she’s a good person nowadays.
Peggy and Stan getting together at the end is some lame ass storytelling.
It undermines Peggy’s whole arc in the name of fan service. It was also poorly executed.
50% agree with this. I think them getting together makes total sense. They're a man and a woman who care about each other and have great chemistry. The way it happened was some romcom ass writing, though.
Yeah, it was a functional bowtie, I wouldn't put it past them, but the overt declaration of love was a bit much, i think they have enough rapor for the relationship to sneak up on them of its own accord
And a bad person. She may not have been fulfilled or had a lot of options, but that describes a lot of people in the past and present who still manage to be kind and conscientious.
Megan deserved better than Don.
Don's kids were all brats. I know the joke was Bobby 5 because the actors kept changing but he literally did less than Roger's daughter to move shit and the plot along.
We missed a lot of good reaction shots: we saw the team get upset/supportive that Megan left, but we got nothing for when Peggy did. I want to know Ginsberg and Stan's reactions to that! Show me the general team's reaction to Lane's suicide. Show me more!
I get they wanted to portray Don as the quiet, mysterious type, but HOLY CRAP there are so many scenes where he doesn’t say a word during full blown conversations. IRL he would be portrayed as pretty socially awkward
that is true but let’s also remember that was 30something years ago. normal people are allowed to grow/change but celebrities aren’t I guess. everything i’ve heard about Jon Hamm besides that has been nothing but glowing, so i’m going to assume that he has changed for the better
Ya people act like he just did this. Hazing was HUUUGE during those times. It wasn’t looked down upon it was literally just what they did. People can grow up and reflect and be like damn maybe what i did wasn’t cool after all
Not saying hazing is right because it’s horrible but hazing was HUUGE especially back when his age group was in college. It’s still a thing even though it’s not supposed to be. Why does only Jon hamm get shit on for it? Also it happened years before he was famous. We really need to separate the art from the artist
I do find the SubReddit has a sexism problem. I get that the show is depicting sexism, not endorsing sexism. But more than once I've seen women get attacked for if we're bothered by it or triggered by it because it hits close to the bone of our lived experiences.
Also I reliably find if I start getting downvoted it's because I've mentioned anything to do with sexism/adjacent-stuff. People downvoted me when I said Don was abusive towards Megan and Betty.
The last shot we see of Sal after getting fired because he refused Lee Garner Jr, is him calling his wife, who already has realized he's gay, pretending he's staying late at work, when he's in Central Park about to have anonymous sex. We never see him again. Ever.
Don's opinions on race were not exactly progressive. I often have felt that the first scene of the show tries to show Don as "not like other men".
But later in the show he quietly goes along with everyone else being racist around him. Even if it is just to keep his persona going.
"Have we hired any Jews?" Rodger says.
"Not on my watch," replies Don.
I've seen people on this SubReddit argue that comment of his wasn't antisemitic. When of course it is. Weiner literally says that comment was written to be antisemitic.
Yeah I’m not gonna disagree with that haha
I like Trudy a lot I was just saying that’s probably the most unpopular opinion you can have on this sub or anywhere really.
I think Trudy's a fantastic character, perfectly played, and is completely charming. I'm not convinced she's innately a good person: I just think she's very socially skilled.
Going to be downvoted, but I’m sure that at least one of the women would have been interested in or shown some sort of attraction to black or POC men. I know that it was more common for white men and black women to be together during these times, but it doesn’t mean women in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were never ever attracted to POC men.
Sally Draper, washing dishes with Playtex gloves on instead of being in Spain, while her dying of cancer mom sits, beautifully dressed, at the kitchen table smoking.
Thanks! Sally got shafted worse than anyone on the show. 
This may be true, but for some reason I know Sally is going to be ok.
One hopes! Sally is the one I'd love to see a follow up program centering. Sally at college, making her way in the world, dealing with relationships, given what she's seen and experienced and her age in the turbulent 60s and 70s..
They definitely should've done a sequel about Sally -- that was a missed opportunity
I have total faith Sally will prevail. She’ll eventually be the best of Don and Betty.
It’s weird to think that Sally is my mom’s age.
This is the correct answer, according to me, a person whose mother is exactly Sally's age, and whose maternal grandmother died after spending the last twenty years of her life smoking at the kitchen table.
Don should have jumped out of a window and landed on a sofa just like the opening
I gasped.
I mean, he did, metaphorically,
From a pragmatic POV, Sal had to go.
Yeah there was no other option. The whole company would’ve gone under. Thats why you never want to build a business around 1 or 2 clients
The firm was continuously trying to diversify until Jaguar and probably GM.
We cant have him here in our social club no more, that much I do know.
Social club? He’s gotta GOOO
YOU GONNA TAKE CARE OF HIS KIDS, HUH?! WHEN HES GONE?!
Oh would you calm down fuckin Judge Roy Bean
A-I-D-S?
NOBODY'S GOT AIDS
**I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT WORD IN THIS OFFICE AGAIN!**
Take it easy! We're not making a western here.
He’s a FUCKIN DISGRACE!
Nobody has AIDS! I don’t want to hear that word again
When the Time Immemorial boys join the chat and drop their gabbagool on the table, smack Adriana on the ass and high tail it down the Pike
Agreed. Only sad he didn’t get a more gracious exit, like severance pay, letter of recommendation etc. Instead he got a gruff ‘you people!’ and a handshake.
Yes, he deserved severance pay at the very least
He probably *did* wind up with severance pay and a reference letter from Don, but the show isn’t going to show us twenty minutes of Sal haggling with HR.
Don: I don’t recall saying good luck
I’m sad they didn’t bring him back in the Hollywood party that Don almost drowned at. We should have seen him there as an up and coming TV director, instead of Danny.
Sal did not have a happy ending off screen.
He probably got a happy ending after he called kitty from that pay phone though.
Not too many people would concede that Joan would’ve been fired if she was the one who rebuffed Lee Garner Jr., but we all know it’s true.
I don't think she would have because Lee wouldn't care if anyone knew. He'd brag about how he's wearing her down
It wasnt just that Sal rejected Lee's advance, it's that Sal could out Lee now. If anyone found out Lee came on to a man, it would probably ruin Lee. The show makes a big deal of showing that being a gay man is not acceptable in that society. If it had been Joan, he may have been pissy, but not nearly as vengeful. Sure, she could tell everyone he came on to her but it wouldn't really be anything damaging to Lee, no one else really got repurcussions for being that way.
Roger and Don wouldn’t even look at you irl, you would not go out drinking together like you’re dreaming
Does anyone here think they’re getting cocktails with millionaire executives?
they don't think about us at all.
Lawnmowers do not belong in an office.
I disagree 
Jesus, it’s like Iwo Jima out there
Just when he got it in the door.
The doctors say he may never golf again...
I could watch that episode over and over…
Sal wasn’t the only gay one
Kurt.
Smitty.
Smitty wasn’t gay. He just wore a turtleneck.
Smitty reminds me of that Simon & Garfunkel album cover.
I noticed during my last rewatch that they definitely drop hints throughout the later seasons that Harry is bi
Really? Like what
him drooling over Joey
I genuinely didn’t see flirtation on Harry’s part though, felt more like he was being schmoozy and wanting to try his hand at being a starmaker in the entertainment industry.
As a gay man, I think it's easy for a viewer and Harry himself to confuse the nature of his infatuation. It was probably both types of desires coming together.
That makes sense, thank you for sharing that perspective!
I thought that too initially, but there’s another scene where he and Don go to The Rolling Stones concert, and Harry has a weird aside about how good looking Charlton Heston is.
Yes, **everybody** wants you, Joey.
That was just Joey being a narcissistic dick.
Lane Pryce’s theft and forgery was unforgivable.
True. It just hurt to have the justice dealt by Don😭Lane forged Don's forged signature lmao
It hurt Don, too. Those "Don should've forgiven Lane" posts always miss this.
Man you can't have you're CFO forging cheques
The thing about that scene that people overlook is that twice Don asks Lane if there are other checks and Lane doesn't respond. He was a serial thief.
Yeah. He made Don an accomplice to embezzlement. Unknowing, sure, how would Don prove he wasn’t in on it if the other partners suspected he was? Giving Lane a dignified exit of resignation was a generous gift.
Ok this one got me. The hypocrisy!!!
This is true, it was just v sad bc of what happened afterward
He could have just suffered the humiliation of a 14 day loan
We forget that the loan was for as much as half the typical house price of the time. They have a lot of money floating around… but 9k in 1963 is 92,000 in today’s money. Lane was in a huge hole.
Sally grows up to be a "nobody wants to work anymore, fuck you I got mine" Boomer.
Sally is 100% this with all her inherited wealth from Don
Not sure how it works with Henry Francis but I assume Betty left her quite a bit too.
I just looked it up, she's born in 1954, so she would be 70 now.
old enough to be sharing facebook memes reading "My parents beat me with the belt when I misbehaved, that's why I didn't grow up a whiny they/them snowflake 💪😎 "
I think the part where she saw where her dad grew up maybe kept her grounded. My father used to tell me chicken soup for the soul stories like they happened to him and I grew up CRIPPLINGLY EMPATHETIC he did not do this to my younger sister cause I found out he was lying and she’s grown into the absolute worst adult.
> CRIPPLINGLY EMPATHETIC is a new one to me. Very apt
I mean… with her background it does seem very likely
Pete wasn't a progressive just because he wasn't comfortable with overt racism. He was still sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, classist, and an all around grimey little pimp.
I never thought he was progressive. I thought he was the last generation of NYC 1800’s old money
Idk. I think he's Progressive with respect to racism. Just because he's not Progressive in the modern sense, doesn't mean he wasn't Progressive in some aspects in the setting of the show.
Rockefeller Republican.
Pete was just a good capitalist. He wanted to get business from any people who had money, that doesn’t make him progressive just practical.
"Colored folks buy shoes, too." -Pete 'Michael Jordan' Campbell
He still was pretty disgusted with black face at the Derby party.
He also was affected by MLK murder “it’s a shameful, shameful day!”
Thinking blackface is wrong and being a bigot are not mutually exclusive
Fair. But thinking blackface is wrong in an era when many members of your community do not think it’s wrong is progressive.
Yeah, Pete would be the guy at Oreo pushing the rainbow filling in June, while also owning stock in Chick-fil-a.
Pete was probably the best he could be, given his combination of privilege and emotional neglect. There was a throwaway line in S1 that his brother had killed a cyclist!
Additionally how he talks about mental illness and addiction is not progressive either. Saying “those people” are weak, “those people” have no self-control. Not saying he isn’t a product of his time, just arguing with the sentiment that Pete was progressive. Kurt, Smitty, Megan, and Ginsberg were probably the most progressive at that agency overall. As progressive as you can be working in that kind of business lol EDIT: Removed Peggy from the list because y’all changed my mind!
Peggy "well did you know Malcolm X was shot?" Olsen, progressive?
Oh, definitely Ginsberg and Megan were v progressive
Ginsberg was progressive. Peggy was not. She was self-serving. She was completely non-intersectional. She just wanted improvements for her, as a woman.
Yeah, I don’t view Peggy as being very progressive either. Maybe about LGBT to some extent (seemed p accepting of Joyce from what I remember) but not race.
agreed. But also she was just so self-centered she didn't grasp her own privilege and where other minorities lacked it. Like, she absolutely got screwed over as a woman, as did others. But I really disliked her Rugged Individualist streak. And RI ain't Progressive.
Pete was progressive for his time. We can look down on all of his flaws and biases with the lens of 2024. Like Pete wouldn’t know what to say if he had to list his pronouns before every conversation sure but to say that say he wasn’t progressive disingenuous. Progressive denotes progress which is something that become more and more over time. For his era of entitled rich white men, Pete was at least aware. Was he problematic? Of course, they all were just like we all will be in a 2050 world.
Don was right to fire Lane and gave him the grace of resigning and a good recommendation and he was not responsible for Lane’s choice. Lane could have asked for a loan but he had too much pride, because Don would have given him one
Megan got exactly what she signed up for. Really, the only thing that should have surprised her was the cool million $ payoff.
Joan made significant and valuable contributions to managing SCDP and deserved to be a partner regardless of Jaguar
She should’ve demanded partnership in the beginning. They had to bring her in before they left because she’s the only one who knew where anything was. Also — everyone said that her and Lane ran the office.
Why would an office manager be a partner? Good salary? Yes. Great benefits? Yes. Good office? Yes. Being a partner in a company poised to go public? No. Wouldn’t happen now and wouldn’t happen in the 60s unless something else was at play. We know what that was for Joanie.
Stock options aren’t an uncommon thing to be given to founding employees of a start up. And she was much more than just your run of the mill office manager. She was basically the COO but they were too sexist to realize it
A Managing Partner absolutely has their eye on the administrative aspects of a business. Plenty of law firms have attorneys in that role. Joan deserved partnership long before Jaguar.
A good office manager will take over something that has been set up by the founders and continue it. In this case she was called out of retirement to set up a new business because she knew how the predecessor had functioned. It was effectively a very large promotion in terms of responsibility, and on a practical level will involve new relationships with banks and accounting departments at vendors and clients. Lane would be involved, but she clearly wasn’t just ordering office supplies, she managed a significant portion of operations. This became more evident from the respect we see in her meeting with the business school management professor.
Today she would be a partner the moment SCDP became operational. So would Peggy. Everybody in that room would actually receive shares because they were taking on a huge risk. Actually, it’s completely unbelievable that Harry was never made partner. I get that he was a douchebag, but that guy made bank for SCDP. He would get offers from everywhere, including McCann. If he was so irredeemable he would have walked out ages ago.
Idk Duck mentions offhand to Pete that Harry had been working with him (repeatedly) - meaning he was looking for other opportunities and opted to stay at SCDP. He also doesn’t seem to have been important to the McCann buyout - if he ended up there, it was probably some middle management bullshit position. At SCDP, Harry was a big shot (and they were willing to put up with his personality - even if no one actually liked him). At no other firm would he be so instrumental or important.
I think her affair with Roger pigeon holed her early on in the firm as being extremely competent but underserving of a promotion.
“I don’t even think about Mad Men at all.”
Manolo slept with Pete Campbell’s mother, then pushed her off of a ship in international waters.
Is this controversial? That’s objectively what happened.
This could have been on HBO with HBO levels of money. Just imagine a full season of Don in 1960s London.
On my first watch when they (Burt) teased Don working in both NY and London I got VERY excited! Was disappointed when it never came to fruition.
Bobby likely died in the September 11th attacks
Which Bobby of the Bobby line-up, though?
Why?
I think they just wanted Bobby to die tbh. Justice for giving away Betty's sandwich.
Lane was always going to commit suicide. Something would have broken him and he was very very breakable.
Owwwwww I felt this in my bones
They had no right filling a man like that with ambition.
I don't give a shit about Chauncey.
This made me upset. Have my upvote
Yeah. I see the reason for people’s upset, but I have a feeling a beautiful well kept dog like that would be taken in by someone pretty fast.
Yeah, that dog walked half way down the block before someone rich Madison Avenue folk picked him up.
Or was hit by a taxi
This is what I choose to believe. He lived a happy life with a lovely family.
This cuts me deep :(
Everyone gets in such a tizzy about simply putting a dog outside... smh... Plus he smelled like a girl.
Pete is the funniest character on the show
The KING ORDERED IT
Betty has pedophilic tendencies and gets a pass because she's beautiful.
For sure, there was a Betty/Glen post two days ago, and the top comment was that Betty didn't realize the effect she was having on Glen. Like, yeah, Betty, the queen of societal rules, didn't realize how inappropriate that relationship looked.
Yup. Really any adult would have understood.
This. And because her pedo plot was with Glen, and although he was an child, he liked her a lot
The Glenn plot, and the rape "joke". She gets a pass for 2 big red flags.
She gets a pass for a lot of stuff because of her looks with the fanbase, they like to pretend like she’s a poor innocent baby who can’t do wrong
Coca-Cola
In the end, that's what Don ever was: an excellent ad man.
Peggy never had the makings of a varsity athlete… oh wait wrong show
I didn't like it when Peggy wore the red hood and red cape to the office. And can Alexis Bledel please stop getting tortured already?! She went through enough in Gilead without her electro shock therapy in Mad Men. Justice4Alexis!
Sally would not have turned out well. She may be wealthy, but I imagine she had serious psychological issues for a long time, and I have a hard time believing that she’s a good person nowadays.
He never could have saved Adam.
There are people driving on the roads who weren’t alive when it aired
Peggy and Stan getting together at the end is some lame ass storytelling. It undermines Peggy’s whole arc in the name of fan service. It was also poorly executed.
50% agree with this. I think them getting together makes total sense. They're a man and a woman who care about each other and have great chemistry. The way it happened was some romcom ass writing, though.
I never liked how quickly they got together in the end. Always felt rushed to me.
I enjoyed it upon viewing and still kind of like it but in good conscience, I can't disagree with you. It was lamely executed.
Also hated this. Duh! Sudden realization! I love you too! Blerg.
Yeah, it was a functional bowtie, I wouldn't put it past them, but the overt declaration of love was a bit much, i think they have enough rapor for the relationship to sneak up on them of its own accord
It did feel rather abrupt.
So rushed. It's not like I couldn't see it. Bit you can't say it had been on the cards for long.
Harry Crane should have been a partner much earlier and it's ridiculous his role is treated as such an afterthought.
I think the message there is "people don't progress in their careers if no decisionmakers like them"
No one liked him. It's an everyday fact in business. You can be smart and capable and innovative but if no one likes you, it's a tough climb.
Don never did better than Rachel
Betty was a bad mother.
And a bad person. She may not have been fulfilled or had a lot of options, but that describes a lot of people in the past and present who still manage to be kind and conscientious.
This is isn’t an upsetting answer… it’s true. She was terrible and less mature than Sally and even in season 4
peggy and stan ending up together felt like super forced and unnecessary
Megan deserved better than Don. Don's kids were all brats. I know the joke was Bobby 5 because the actors kept changing but he literally did less than Roger's daughter to move shit and the plot along. We missed a lot of good reaction shots: we saw the team get upset/supportive that Megan left, but we got nothing for when Peggy did. I want to know Ginsberg and Stan's reactions to that! Show me the general team's reaction to Lane's suicide. Show me more!
I saw no difference when the show went to digital recording in S5.
I get they wanted to portray Don as the quiet, mysterious type, but HOLY CRAP there are so many scenes where he doesn’t say a word during full blown conversations. IRL he would be portrayed as pretty socially awkward
He would get away with it because he’s hot.
Don treated Megan like shit and the fact that he made a lot of money doesn’t cancel that out at all
Jon Hamm was a frat guy who hurt people bad during hazing.
that is true but let’s also remember that was 30something years ago. normal people are allowed to grow/change but celebrities aren’t I guess. everything i’ve heard about Jon Hamm besides that has been nothing but glowing, so i’m going to assume that he has changed for the better
Ya people act like he just did this. Hazing was HUUUGE during those times. It wasn’t looked down upon it was literally just what they did. People can grow up and reflect and be like damn maybe what i did wasn’t cool after all
I think what bugs me is I saw one instance where he got hostile and defensive when asked. He doesn’t seem like he regrets it.
Not saying hazing is right because it’s horrible but hazing was HUUGE especially back when his age group was in college. It’s still a thing even though it’s not supposed to be. Why does only Jon hamm get shit on for it? Also it happened years before he was famous. We really need to separate the art from the artist
Only recently found out about it and made me sick to my stomach :(
Don Draper was not appalled by Roger's blackface. He was second-hand embarrassed for him. Why? Because he could never do that himself.
Most of you secretly (and some not so secretly) fetishize the misogyny and racism.
I do find the SubReddit has a sexism problem. I get that the show is depicting sexism, not endorsing sexism. But more than once I've seen women get attacked for if we're bothered by it or triggered by it because it hits close to the bone of our lived experiences. Also I reliably find if I start getting downvoted it's because I've mentioned anything to do with sexism/adjacent-stuff. People downvoted me when I said Don was abusive towards Megan and Betty.
Megan should have gotten her teeth fixed
I immediately downvoted that sacrilegious idea, but remembered the goal of these posts. This was visceral to me. Great post.
Season 5 is actually good
I adore Marie Calvet.
The last shot we see of Sal after getting fired because he refused Lee Garner Jr, is him calling his wife, who already has realized he's gay, pretending he's staying late at work, when he's in Central Park about to have anonymous sex. We never see him again. Ever.
Don Draper was Archibald Whitman not Dick.
It was all a dream and both Don and Dick died in Korea
Don's opinions on race were not exactly progressive. I often have felt that the first scene of the show tries to show Don as "not like other men". But later in the show he quietly goes along with everyone else being racist around him. Even if it is just to keep his persona going. "Have we hired any Jews?" Rodger says. "Not on my watch," replies Don.
I've seen people on this SubReddit argue that comment of his wasn't antisemitic. When of course it is. Weiner literally says that comment was written to be antisemitic.
Yes. He wouldn’t have dated a WOC seriously in the way he dated Betty or Megan. Not progressive at all.
I think he holds the status quo, bt he's not a racist
Joan sucks and is never once kind to another woman during the entire show
Yeah, people here def don’t talk about her internalized misogyny enough.
Yeah she wasn't a good person
Pete didn't really care about black people. He just wanted to preen and be holier than thou.
Trudy is the worst. (To be fair, I don’t personally believe that. But there’s your answer lol).
Betty is the worst
Yeah I’m not gonna disagree with that haha I like Trudy a lot I was just saying that’s probably the most unpopular opinion you can have on this sub or anywhere really.
I think Trudy's a fantastic character, perfectly played, and is completely charming. I'm not convinced she's innately a good person: I just think she's very socially skilled.
Going to be downvoted, but I’m sure that at least one of the women would have been interested in or shown some sort of attraction to black or POC men. I know that it was more common for white men and black women to be together during these times, but it doesn’t mean women in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were never ever attracted to POC men.
The fact is that Pete was also a rapist. He raped the European girl. We all like him a lot. But he is still the same as Herb and Greg.
I like Betty and I think she’s a decent person!
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Don died and this is all a dream/after life
"christina hendricks got married"
what is this from
The Menu
Pete’s mom was having the time of her life.