You get a "face-up" token 2/2 creature with no name, no mana cost, no subtypes, no abilities, etc. It doesn't trigger things like Kadena (it's not face down), and you can't "unmorph" it
2x Ward 2 is actually (very, very edge-case) better than Ward 4.
You can sidestep Ward 4 for the "low-low cost" of a [[Stifle]] but you'd have to play two of them (or something incredibly niche like Megamorphing [[Kadena's Silencer]]) to best the double-triggered Ward 2
Your opponent knows it's a Token and "face-up" right? Like there's no ambiguity between which is the real morph and which is the copy I assume?
I guess that's kind of a stupid question since the copy resolves first and you have to make it clear what order your morphs were cast.
You (as in, the player who owns and controls the tokens) are obligated to make the distinction clear. Not only are they face-up, they are also tokens, which should always be clearly distinguishable.
You always know which card is which.
Morphs aren’t a “trick” card, you and your opponent have perfect knowledge over which morphs entered the battlefield in which order, and if any face-up card is ever turned face-down, both players always know which face down card it is.
I’ve seen people try to mix up morphs to be sneaky but the game rules literally clarify that morph doesn’t work that way.
I believe there is specifically 1 card that mixes up specifically copies of itself or some shit but yeah that was basically my understanding of how that works.
Copying a morph/disguise leaves you with a nameless, typeless, cost-less 2/2. If it was a disguise it has Ward.
You can't flip the copy, the backside doesn't exist on it. It's already considered face-up.
This essentially quadruples colorless permanents' ETBs. Cast one \[\[Meteor Golem\]\], destroy four things.
Cast \[\[Myr Battlesphere\]\], make two battlespheres and 16 little guys.
Even \[\[Ichor Wellspring\]\] is a 2 mana draw 4 if you have this. Add another 4 if you can sac them.
Godamn that's gonna be wonky. Get 2 battles, exile 4, then if you flip them both get 4 Paragons, and dig for more spells 8 times if you cast a 2 color spell. The 2 color and colorless themes are a bit at odds, but it seems worth it for the funny interaction at least.
~~The copied battle would be a token tho (copies of permanent spells become tokens), so you wouldn't be able to get the paragons from those. Tokens cease existance when out of the battlefield, even if an effect instructs you to return them. I think you should be able to if you found a way to transform the battle directly instead of the "exile then cast flipsidde~~
Oh fuck, the paragon is colorless and you are casting it, now I get it, didn't realize until halfway through writing. Jesus allmighty.
Yeah but you can't cast the token copy of a battle once you exile it, because tokens cease to exist the moment they ain't on the battlefield.
Also, destroy effects don't work, it's just when the last counter is removed (so damage and effects that remove counters like [[Xavier sal]])
> Yeah but you can't cast the token copy of a battle once you exile it, because tokens cease to exist the moment they ain't on the battlefield.
Not quite, tokens cease to exist as a state based action, so while the Siege's triggered ability (**310.11b** Sieges have the intrinsic ability “When the last defense counter is removed from this permanent, exile it, then you may cast it transformed without paying its mana cost.”) is resolving the token would still exist. However once token leaves the battlefield it can't change zones any further (**111.8.** A token that has left the battlefield can’t move to another zone or come back onto the battlefield. If such a token would change zones, it remains in its current zone instead. It ceases to exist the next time state-based actions are checked; see **rule 704**.), making you unable to cast it, so ability would resolve after exiling the token which would disappear as a SBA immediately after.
It also doubles things like [[Case of the Shattered Pact]] but if you're playing a colorless commander, you will have 2 unsolved cases and 2 lands in hand lol
For a sec I was confused by what you mean, but now I see it. Copy the spell, then copy the ETB of both spells. Yup, this deserves the mana cost it’s got.
I think this would only make 3 10/10s. The copied spell wouldn't get the cast trigger, but the permanent itself would be copied. So you'd have 2x Desolation Twins and 1x 10/10 eldrazi twin token. Still good, but not 4x 10/10s lol
The cast trigger is doubled, though, so you still get two tokens. If the copy still got the trigger (like if it were an etb rather than a cast), then it would be four tokens.
Check the other comments. The cast trogger would doubled and give 2, and then the original would get copied. You still get 4, just in a slightly different way.
I’m trying to figure out what the image on the right reminds me of. I think it’s something from JJK. Or Demon Slayer. I know it’s some anime. Left definitely has Wallmaster vibes.
Bismuth represents Kozilek's and his brood's influence on the land after they altered it. You can see it on [[ruin in their wake]] or [[warden of geometries]]
It seems like it's because the set has an actual story and the story is Eldrazi-focused, and they're doing the story with previews before official preview season. Which means all the early previews are Eldrazi-focused even though the set itself will presumably have other themes too.
So there’s the obvious [[Field of the Dead]] which is obvious but still strong.
Doubling up land ETBs in general is quite powerful, though your mana base would look… very odd, triple colourless means that even though this works with [[Mystic Sanctuary]] you’re probably never getting three islands AND CCC.
Commander players will rejoice at double [[Bojuka Bog]].
This is honestly one of the most bonkers combo-tastic cards ever - it doubles artifact triggers (most of them at least) too.
Idk if this is good enough to see 60 card play, but it’s very easy to imagine just outright winning if you untap with it. Even just doubling up a [[Thought Knot Seer]] is 4x the exile Thoughtseize, which probably just ends the game…
By far best use of a full art frame in a while. I thought the standard art looked great, but the other just blows it out of the water imo.
Maybe I'm crazy, but it looks like it's using impossible perspectives plus some sort of modeling for the hands. Looks trippy.
Tabernacle doesn't have any triggered abilities, it has a static ability that gives a triggered ability to each creature.
The tax trigger on colorless creatures (edit: you control) would trigger twice (so you would have to pay {1} twice) and all other creatures would still only have one upkeep trigger.
Edit: Echoes is only colorless you control, so this is a nonbo.
So wait, if I cast an OG titan... [[Ulamog the infinite Gyre]] do I get triple the cast trigger? Or no, it copies the spell so that doesn't proc the cast trigger, so only the double
I believe the first ability will copy the cast trigger and the second ability will copy Ulamog himself, but since you're not casting the copy you don't get the cast trigger a third time. So you'll end up with one Ulamog self deleting and two cast triggers in total.
In some cases the difference is relevant. Any cards that make tokens on death will interact interestingly with this.
Eg if you swing at someone who has [[Requiem Angel]], they could theoretically sac 4 creatures, make 4 tokens and then sac for 4 tokens. With annihilator 8, they wouldn't have a chance to sac the tokens and would have to give up 4 additional permanents.
Maybe it's just me but I think "double the thing you're doing" isn't as deep of a design space as WotC is thinking it is. This is powerful, sure, but it's so boring. I've seen too many of these effects.
I like the original artwork better. Like I said when it was leak this is basically the new commanders ability but pair them together and you get a bunch of copies.
Card transcription
> Echoes of Eternity 3CCC
>
> Kindred Enchantment- Eldrazi
>
> If a triggered ability of a colorless spell you control or another colorless permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
>
> Whenever you cast a colorless spell, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
End transcription
Me reading the text: "what? Since when to *spells* have triggered abilities?!?"
Me 3 words into writing this reply: "Oh. Right. Cascade. All giant Eldrazi. Probably a bunch of others. Duh."
So how does this work casting 7+ mana spells with [[Zhulodok]]? Correct me if I get this wrong.
1. Cast the 7+ mana spell
2. Two Cascade triggers and a copy of that spell go on the stack
3. Those two Cascade triggers get copied, so now you have 4 Cascade triggers and the copy on the stack
4. They all resolve and you probably win
Sorry to ask a (maybe) stupid question, but could this card be in the commander precon? Asking beacause sometimes, even without the set simbol, some core set cards are still present in the precons
I gotta say I'm not feeling the new Warhammer-esque Horror Theme that some of these Eldrazi cards have. I think the previous "completely random shit" Eldrazi cards were much more creatively interesting and unique.
Man wotc really looked at Reflections of Littjara and said "Yeah but give one of the strongest creature types a better one for cheaper"
And yeah, it's 6 mana instead of 5, but let's not act like 0C can't crap mana out the wazoo
Quick rules question: since this says 'triggered ability of a colourless spell' does this apply to cast triggers, e.g. would Ulamog's cast trigger happen twice?
> When would a spell have a triggered ability
It's a common mechanical theme with Eldrazi, like [[Desolation Twin]] which makes a token when you **cast** it, not when it enters the battlefield.
Mechanics like Storm and Cascade are also examples of triggered abilities on spells, but those won't come up as much because they're usually not colorless. That said, you can make it happen with stuff like [[Zhulodok]] or [[mycosynth lattice]]
I'm lazy so I'm just going to ask it here: Anyone know how the second clause works with morph/disguise creatures?
You get a "face-up" token 2/2 creature with no name, no mana cost, no subtypes, no abilities, etc. It doesn't trigger things like Kadena (it's not face down), and you can't "unmorph" it
disguised token would still have ward, right?
Yup
Isn't ward a triggered ability, too?
Yep, time to turn those nameless 2/2s into kappa cannoneers
2x Ward 2 is actually (very, very edge-case) better than Ward 4. You can sidestep Ward 4 for the "low-low cost" of a [[Stifle]] but you'd have to play two of them (or something incredibly niche like Megamorphing [[Kadena's Silencer]]) to best the double-triggered Ward 2
[Stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kadena's Silencer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cfe101fc-0c3d-461b-8c46-bb1bef97e739.jpg?1568003406) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kadena%27s%20Silencer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/8/kadenas-silencer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cfe101fc-0c3d-461b-8c46-bb1bef97e739?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It sure is
Appreciate it.
Your opponent knows it's a Token and "face-up" right? Like there's no ambiguity between which is the real morph and which is the copy I assume? I guess that's kind of a stupid question since the copy resolves first and you have to make it clear what order your morphs were cast.
You (as in, the player who owns and controls the tokens) are obligated to make the distinction clear. Not only are they face-up, they are also tokens, which should always be clearly distinguishable.
You always know which card is which. Morphs aren’t a “trick” card, you and your opponent have perfect knowledge over which morphs entered the battlefield in which order, and if any face-up card is ever turned face-down, both players always know which face down card it is. I’ve seen people try to mix up morphs to be sneaky but the game rules literally clarify that morph doesn’t work that way.
I believe there is specifically 1 card that mixes up specifically copies of itself or some shit but yeah that was basically my understanding of how that works.
[[jeskai infiltrator]] It’s kind of an “exception proves the rule” situation
As well as [[Expose the Culprit]]
[Expose the Culprit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31aadd3d-5ce1-44ba-ac6d-b192a9ea491b.jpg?1706241859) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Expose%20the%20Culprit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/124/expose-the-culprit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31aadd3d-5ce1-44ba-ac6d-b192a9ea491b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[jeskai infiltrator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4efcf6ba-e466-4947-94b2-725cc77b6e05.jpg?1592710590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jeskai%20infiltrator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/93/jeskai-infiltrator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4efcf6ba-e466-4947-94b2-725cc77b6e05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Always love it when people use the phrase "exception proves the rule" correctly. Perfect example, in this case.
Imagine if you could flip it into non-existence.
Copying a morph/disguise leaves you with a nameless, typeless, cost-less 2/2. If it was a disguise it has Ward. You can't flip the copy, the backside doesn't exist on it. It's already considered face-up.
I believe you get a copy, albeit with no 'front face', because casting a morph/disguise is casting a colorless spell, but I'm not sure.
This essentially quadruples colorless permanents' ETBs. Cast one \[\[Meteor Golem\]\], destroy four things. Cast \[\[Myr Battlesphere\]\], make two battlespheres and 16 little guys. Even \[\[Ichor Wellspring\]\] is a 2 mana draw 4 if you have this. Add another 4 if you can sac them.
Now is your time to shine, [[Invasion of Ravnica]]! :D
Godamn that's gonna be wonky. Get 2 battles, exile 4, then if you flip them both get 4 Paragons, and dig for more spells 8 times if you cast a 2 color spell. The 2 color and colorless themes are a bit at odds, but it seems worth it for the funny interaction at least.
~~The copied battle would be a token tho (copies of permanent spells become tokens), so you wouldn't be able to get the paragons from those. Tokens cease existance when out of the battlefield, even if an effect instructs you to return them. I think you should be able to if you found a way to transform the battle directly instead of the "exile then cast flipsidde~~ Oh fuck, the paragon is colorless and you are casting it, now I get it, didn't realize until halfway through writing. Jesus allmighty.
Damn, no you're right. Will only get 2 Paragons and dig 4 times with them out. Still pretty funny though.
When you destroy a battle you then cast the other side, which is colourless so you do copy it
Yeah but you can't cast the token copy of a battle once you exile it, because tokens cease to exist the moment they ain't on the battlefield. Also, destroy effects don't work, it's just when the last counter is removed (so damage and effects that remove counters like [[Xavier sal]])
> Yeah but you can't cast the token copy of a battle once you exile it, because tokens cease to exist the moment they ain't on the battlefield. Not quite, tokens cease to exist as a state based action, so while the Siege's triggered ability (**310.11b** Sieges have the intrinsic ability “When the last defense counter is removed from this permanent, exile it, then you may cast it transformed without paying its mana cost.”) is resolving the token would still exist. However once token leaves the battlefield it can't change zones any further (**111.8.** A token that has left the battlefield can’t move to another zone or come back onto the battlefield. If such a token would change zones, it remains in its current zone instead. It ceases to exist the next time state-based actions are checked; see **rule 704**.), making you unable to cast it, so ability would resolve after exiling the token which would disappear as a SBA immediately after.
So, end result is the same, but the steps within it are more complex than that, got it.
[Xavier sal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc.jpg?1698987776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=xavier%20sal%2C%20infested%20captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/14/xavier-sal-infested-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94a420c2-b1a8-4a98-a2a5-7f949d3081bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It also doubles things like [[Case of the Shattered Pact]] but if you're playing a colorless commander, you will have 2 unsolved cases and 2 lands in hand lol
[[Scuttlemutt]] will solve those cases for you real quick.
[Invasion of Ravnica](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc.jpg?1682704897)/[Guildpact Paragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/7/3/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc.jpg?1682704897) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invasion%20of%20Ravnica%20//%20Guildpact%20Paragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/1/invasion-of-ravnica-guildpact-paragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For a sec I was confused by what you mean, but now I see it. Copy the spell, then copy the ETB of both spells. Yup, this deserves the mana cost it’s got.
Oh wow, I wasn't reading it correctly at first and didn't catch that. [[Desolation Twin]] will make 4x 10/10s which is a beautiful thing
I think this would only make 3 10/10s. The copied spell wouldn't get the cast trigger, but the permanent itself would be copied. So you'd have 2x Desolation Twins and 1x 10/10 eldrazi twin token. Still good, but not 4x 10/10s lol
The cast trigger is doubled, though, so you still get two tokens. If the copy still got the trigger (like if it were an etb rather than a cast), then it would be four tokens.
Ah good point. I was still thinking of this like Yarok where it would only copy an etb ability. Thanks for clearing that up!
Ahh good catch, looks like I'll have to settle for 30 p/t instead
Check the other comments. The cast trogger would doubled and give 2, and then the original would get copied. You still get 4, just in a slightly different way.
[Meteor Golem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd7af704-a770-4f90-8fe8-a45457785a35.jpg?1689999704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meteor%20Golem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/399/meteor-golem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd7af704-a770-4f90-8fe8-a45457785a35?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Myr Battlesphere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d8299d1e-84c1-4c02-a00d-6e7a662e1a7a.jpg?1682210108) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myr%20Battlesphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/366/myr-battlesphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d8299d1e-84c1-4c02-a00d-6e7a662e1a7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m trying to figure out what the image on the right reminds me of. I think it’s something from JJK. Or Demon Slayer. I know it’s some anime. Left definitely has Wallmaster vibes.
Mahito's Self-Embodiment of Perfection, perhaps? https://youtu.be/OrDzu_xveDo?t=49
Could be. Shigaraki from MHA is another. Creepy hands show up a lot in anime now that I’m thinking about it.
https://preview.redd.it/axmu0qu0p01d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25909e3df67d5ce948e91513808cfcdde6641099 Tears of the Kingdom
That's the image on the left, not the right.
https://preview.redd.it/jo68t6kny11d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b284b6d85f1cd980769104bc9bfd5af42094c273 Bismuth
Bismuth represents Kozilek's and his brood's influence on the land after they altered it. You can see it on [[ruin in their wake]] or [[warden of geometries]]
Definitely something similar in Demon Slayer somewhere!
Maybe the background reminds you of the Infinity Castle from Demon Slayer?
Gojo's cube?
Infinity castle from Demon Slayer or Pride from FMA
Looks like some scenes from the upper 6 I think or whoever the train demon from Mugen Train was
I’d also throw in chainsaw man if you’re caught up with the manga
Regular art reminds me of hell star ramina surface
Maybe Hell's Paradise? Or the intro to Kaiju No 8!
Eldrazi Horizons
It seems like it's because the set has an actual story and the story is Eldrazi-focused, and they're doing the story with previews before official preview season. Which means all the early previews are Eldrazi-focused even though the set itself will presumably have other themes too.
It also just looks like they're revisiting a lot of the mechanics and design space from the ORI-WAR era with this one
I'm not a fan of the Eldrazi subtheme this set seems to have. I liked a lot more the "random shit from the year 1994" MH2 had.
It’s MODERN horizons, not OLD horizons, grandpa!! (I’m sorry please don’t put me on punishment)
Not sure I get what's going on, but as a new player with a fixation on colorless artifacts, I'm pretty happy with all the colorless stuff coming in!
\*Eldrizons.
*Not everything has to be portmanteau'd
Neverything
It's not my fault I'm a portmanteauholic.
neverything
incredible artworks also kind of insane that this works with lands too, i'm sure there's some powerful synergy with that
Notably, City of Brass pings you twice
We did it. We broke [[city of brass]]
No. This time, City of Brass will break us.
[city of brass](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/bed4a63d-632a-4a3a-b35f-f8e155237d27.jpg?1673149483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=city%20of%20brass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/321/city-of-brass?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bed4a63d-632a-4a3a-b35f-f8e155237d27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just put this thing with City of Brass into [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]] and watch your commander shoot you to death.
Wait til you try [[Sorrow's Path]]
[Sorrow's Path](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/9347f02e-270b-44da-988c-d99a0fc5dfcb.jpg?1562926135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sorrow%27s%20Path) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/211/sorrows-path?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9347f02e-270b-44da-988c-d99a0fc5dfcb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm more concerned about it working with artifacts. This turns [[Ichor Wellspring]] from a "draw 1 + maybe 1 later" into "draw 4 + maybe 4 later."
[[Atog]] comeback season.
Sheoldred laughs in the distance
[Ichor Wellspring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea.jpg?1625978684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ichor%20Wellspring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/245/ichor-wellspring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Love the artwork too. My only minor gripe is that the arms on the right looks more demonic / devilish than eldrazi.
Demon baby arms
So there’s the obvious [[Field of the Dead]] which is obvious but still strong. Doubling up land ETBs in general is quite powerful, though your mana base would look… very odd, triple colourless means that even though this works with [[Mystic Sanctuary]] you’re probably never getting three islands AND CCC. Commander players will rejoice at double [[Bojuka Bog]]. This is honestly one of the most bonkers combo-tastic cards ever - it doubles artifact triggers (most of them at least) too. Idk if this is good enough to see 60 card play, but it’s very easy to imagine just outright winning if you untap with it. Even just doubling up a [[Thought Knot Seer]] is 4x the exile Thoughtseize, which probably just ends the game…
Double fuck up with bouncelands
Just bounces twice as high. Like one of those little rubber domes you invert and when it pops back to normal it jumps. Love those things.
In 2024, you're often playing the bounce lands for the bounce effect as much as the mana. I.E. picking up MDFC lands to recast them as spells, etc.
That's probably what people think of when they include them, most often I see them played turn 2 into a discard.
Chapter abilities are triggered abilities so it should double [[Urza's Saga]]s chapter 3 for what that's worth. Also [[Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle]]
[Urza's Saga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c.jpg?1667318301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Saga) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37bce60d-2cb0-4772-9f5c-122a7ed426a0.jpg?1562611305) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Valakut%2C%20the%20Molten%20Pinnacle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/zen/228/valakut-the-molten-pinnacle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37bce60d-2cb0-4772-9f5c-122a7ed426a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Field of the Dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943.jpg?1650599538) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Field%20of%20the%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/247/field-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mystic Sanctuary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67652446-6d12-4e2a-bb51-ba685f2e79d1.jpg?1706241201) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mystic%20Sanctuary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/277/mystic-sanctuary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67652446-6d12-4e2a-bb51-ba685f2e79d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bojuka Bog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0efec118-ed01-42a0-93b4-f9a92c01b72e.jpg?1712354928) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bojuka%20Bog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/273/bojuka-bog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0efec118-ed01-42a0-93b4-f9a92c01b72e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thought Knot Seer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bffc360e-db41-48f3-9365-680d55046e04.jpg?1562933598) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thought-Knot%20Seer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/9/thought-knot-seer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bffc360e-db41-48f3-9365-680d55046e04?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4gttmm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love the iridescence they seem to be going with as a common motif on the Eldrazi-related cards. Very thematical
Yeah it looks great with that bismuth formation aesthetic
Ya that's Kozilek's aesthetic I believe, it's always been my favourite of the three.
By far best use of a full art frame in a while. I thought the standard art looked great, but the other just blows it out of the water imo. Maybe I'm crazy, but it looks like it's using impossible perspectives plus some sort of modeling for the hands. Looks trippy.
Double field of the dead
Does this double the upkeep cost of Tabernacle?
Tabernacle doesn't have any triggered abilities, it has a static ability that gives a triggered ability to each creature. The tax trigger on colorless creatures (edit: you control) would trigger twice (so you would have to pay {1} twice) and all other creatures would still only have one upkeep trigger. Edit: Echoes is only colorless you control, so this is a nonbo.
quick, act surprised
I actually hadn’t seen this so I am honestly surprised.
That's the spirit!
If you haven't seen it, it's new to you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqIxxFwVYTQ
So wait, if I cast an OG titan... [[Ulamog the infinite Gyre]] do I get triple the cast trigger? Or no, it copies the spell so that doesn't proc the cast trigger, so only the double
I believe the first ability will copy the cast trigger and the second ability will copy Ulamog himself, but since you're not casting the copy you don't get the cast trigger a third time. So you'll end up with one Ulamog self deleting and two cast triggers in total.
Thanks alright i had it right. Sounds powerful as fuck still
It also has Annihilator 8. Well, 4 and then 4, but it's the same thing.
In some cases the difference is relevant. Any cards that make tokens on death will interact interestingly with this. Eg if you swing at someone who has [[Requiem Angel]], they could theoretically sac 4 creatures, make 4 tokens and then sac for 4 tokens. With annihilator 8, they wouldn't have a chance to sac the tokens and would have to give up 4 additional permanents.
You'd get two copies of his trigger on the stack and two copies of Ulamog on the stack.
Sigh...is it really Panharmonicon With Set's Mechanic time already?
"Sheen, this is the 7th set in a row you've released with a trigger-doubling effect."
Of course, just in time after green Future Sight variant #527 of the last 5 years
[[Garruk's Horde]] was 12 years ago.
Thank you for reminding me how old I am.
I mean, Eternatus being an Eldrazi kind of checks out. Silly Zendikari should have been arming the wolves.
I'm over the doubling and tripling of effects. It's been overused lately.
I roll my eyes whenever I see them now. They used to be splashy and exciting, and now it's been run into the dirt.
Doubling used to be fun but now it feels lazy and massively overused.
Maybe it's just me but I think "double the thing you're doing" isn't as deep of a design space as WotC is thinking it is. This is powerful, sure, but it's so boring. I've seen too many of these effects.
https://preview.redd.it/v6mx8di0b01d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce7bf5d6508bfe517708b603016387ae966b2f1b Zelda inspired
I mean, its no the first time someone put eyes on the palm of a hand
I knew this looked wildly familiar.
I like the original artwork better. Like I said when it was leak this is basically the new commanders ability but pair them together and you get a bunch of copies.
Card transcription > Echoes of Eternity 3CCC > > Kindred Enchantment- Eldrazi > > If a triggered ability of a colorless spell you control or another colorless permanent you control triggers, that ability triggers an additional time. > > Whenever you cast a colorless spell, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.) End transcription
Can we not have this ability printed for a bit please?
Or at the very least, don’t print it in a pushed manner?
"We need one more filler rare. Let's make another panharmonicon variant" ~ wotc pribably
source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/zendikars-last-stand-2016-02-17
Blandharmonicon!
Both arts are great but the full art is incredible. Wow
Another lazy [[Panharmonicon]] copy paste card 🙄
"Let's take Ibuprofen together" kind of art
Yawn
I wish they would just cut it out with the copy / double effects already. We are drowning in them at this point.
Me reading the text: "what? Since when to *spells* have triggered abilities?!?" Me 3 words into writing this reply: "Oh. Right. Cascade. All giant Eldrazi. Probably a bunch of others. Duh."
# Hello this is Seth, Probably Better Known as SaffronOlive, and today, we'll try colorless 12 panharmonicon.
The font choice does *not* make the artist's name on the right look like "Clint"
Maybe I am missing something here, but why isn't this a tribal enchantment? Kindred seems likenthe same thing so why a new type?
Kindred!
What does kindred mean?
Seems like it's a renaming of Tribal.
It sounds better than typal.
> What does kindred mean? the next attempt to rename tribal.
It's honestly a pretty good change just because they've used Kindred in the past to refer to tribal cards.
Signficant upgrade over 'Typal'
in fairness I think typal was an internal name and never made it officially.
So it's the new name for tribal?
They should have just called this set commander horizons 3
The exact same thing was said about modern horizons 1 and 2
I really dislike this kind of design where it's just do thing twice and the thing is play your deck
Yeah I intentionally don’t use them. It makes games boring and makes people’s turns take longer/have more things to track on the board
That moment of "Wtf is kindred? Oh yeah..." Still feels an unnecessary change.
Been meaning to ask since the leak: this doubles annihilator, right?
Annihilator is a triggered ability, so yes it does.
Whats worse then 1 eldrazi ? 2 eldrazi
Zhulodok can't wait to have this in the deck
The art is dope. The effect I assume is strong. The more I read it, the more confused I get. Which is very on flavor for Eldrazi stuff.
Zhulodok likes this a *lot*.
So how does this work casting 7+ mana spells with [[Zhulodok]]? Correct me if I get this wrong. 1. Cast the 7+ mana spell 2. Two Cascade triggers and a copy of that spell go on the stack 3. Those two Cascade triggers get copied, so now you have 4 Cascade triggers and the copy on the stack 4. They all resolve and you probably win
Sorry to ask a (maybe) stupid question, but could this card be in the commander precon? Asking beacause sometimes, even without the set simbol, some core set cards are still present in the precons
Looks like hell form Berserk
getting reeeeeal tired of these doublers in every single set. I miss the beautiful jank of OG panharmonicon!
Biblically accurate Eldrazi
Gonna abuse this with things like [[Roaming Throne]], and [[Faceless Agent]]
[[Zhulodok]] be eating good today. Double casts, quatruple cascades, and each cascade is itself a double cast.
Just cast a [[Mana Crypt]] into it and enjoy the 4x trigger every upkeep
HELL YES MIXED MEDIA CARD ART
I gotta say I'm not feeling the new Warhammer-esque Horror Theme that some of these Eldrazi cards have. I think the previous "completely random shit" Eldrazi cards were much more creatively interesting and unique.
Finally a way to break black lotus
I what Nintendo will say about these Gloom Hands
Nintendo doesn't own hands with eyes in them.
How is this not a Mythic?! It's Mythic in purpose and power.
Mythic is purely used for pack selling reasons these days. Has been for a few years now. Nothing says mythic like [[Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer]], right?
Roaming throne go brrrrrrrrrr
Art goes hard as fuck
I love everything about it and I want it
The art on the left? Excellent. Classic. Gorgeous. The art on the right? Looks plastic. Digital. Cartoony.
I actually really like it because of that. It gives it an off-putting vibe that I think really fits the aesthetic.
If you have two of these out, suddenly that's 4 extra copies of your colorless spells, since they copy each other's copy triggers.
If you have two of these, you actually have three because the first one will see the second being cast and copy it.
Man wotc really looked at Reflections of Littjara and said "Yeah but give one of the strongest creature types a better one for cheaper" And yeah, it's 6 mana instead of 5, but let's not act like 0C can't crap mana out the wazoo
I'm so excited
They couldn’t make it cost 7 mana, could they?
CLINT LOCK-*WOOD*!
Quick rules question: since this says 'triggered ability of a colourless spell' does this apply to cast triggers, e.g. would Ulamog's cast trigger happen twice?
Does Kindred replace Tribal? Wierd.
So does this make annihilator double up? If I attack with ulamog the ceasless hunger does my opponent now exile 40 cards?
Hell yeah
Wow, the borderless art may be my favorite Eldrazi art ever (not including Emrakul)
The full art is "Secret Lair: Plastic Edition" with a Zelda bonus. Not a fan at all.
Would the triggered mana ability of [[Forsaken Monument]] be triggered again by this, or no?
how does this interact with suspended colorless cards? does all the suspend things happens twice?
"Triggered abilities of spells" is a wording I haven't seen before. Are there any other examples of that it except cast triggers?
Roaming Throne ++
I'm in love with these arts, both of them. freaking amazing
Can anyone explain the first part of the line to me? When would a spell have a triggered ability? Is a spell not just on the stack?
> When would a spell have a triggered ability It's a common mechanical theme with Eldrazi, like [[Desolation Twin]] which makes a token when you **cast** it, not when it enters the battlefield. Mechanics like Storm and Cascade are also examples of triggered abilities on spells, but those won't come up as much because they're usually not colorless. That said, you can make it happen with stuff like [[Zhulodok]] or [[mycosynth lattice]]
Thanks so much! Great explanation.