40% is still on acceptable range. I have higher call rate on east games with 12% deal-in rate. (https://amae-koromo.sapk.ch/player/124907514/8) totally, different style than my south game.
Call rate is a playstyle, it doesn't determine winning or losing. there couple Japanese pro with 40% call rare as well.
Edit:
watch this hour long video if you want to learn about defense and hand reading. Also, remember if you win before other, you don't need defense. Open hands average is faster than close hands.
https://youtu.be/zaUT8Y0S_Cg
the point is u cant hand read with no cards. There are so many instances where u dont have cards to throw. 40% on EAST is normal on east games cause u prioritize early winning over anything else though, which is different from south games
Priorities easy winning means less deal-in. You are safe when you win.
Good players, don't just open the hand for fun. I open, I can still defend because I don't call until I only have 1 or 4 tiles left. Riichi vs open hand race, the open hand player can defend. Riichi player can't. If they are dama,, then you are screwed either way.
It shouldn't make you deal-in more when you open in south game compare to East game. I'm not talking about winning rate. I'm just talking about defending and dealing in.
Aggressive players can have a low deal-in rare because they win fast and scare other to fold. It's a style, it doesn't mean they are bad player or have high deal-in rate.
Do you have lower than 12% deal-in rate with your low open rate? Becauae the TC has less than 12% deal-in rate. Share you profile url here and compare to the TC.
who was talking about deal in? i said its normal for East games to have higher CALL rate. "Good players dont call until they only have 1 to 4 tiles left". Ya but u call every 4/10 rounds LMAO. I dont think uve ever been in situations where u have no cards to defend even though u have 10 cards left so i guess you're not experienced enough.
I think I play more mahjong than you, not just on mjs, not just riichi mahjong. Share your amae profile like the MC and I.
Even when you don't open. Sometimes, you have no 100% safe tile. Maybe there are safe tile, you just don't which. It's not about 1 games, it's all about over 100s of games and how many time do you deal-in, right? Why are you worry about that 1/100 chance and not call to win?
U play east rounds which are not a good gauge of skill compared to south rounds, so i dont get what youre trying to prove. I play other forms of mahjong and irl mahjong as well like Chinese mahjong. When people riichi, everyone will throw safe cards only and when u call u wont have any safe cards left to throw. Suji wont even work half the time because good players will use it against u. Defense theory doesnt work much on a high level. "not call to win" bro go see every professional player stats u will know most people dont call unless needed to. You keep trying to defend yourself to make it seem like your playstyle works but it doesnt work on long games. You mentioned a "couple" players have high call rate playstyle meaning you yourself know that most good players dont, for a good reason :)
I give my profile url right? most of my games are in south. All I'm saying play whatever style work for you. Just because the TC has 40% call rate, it doesn't mean he will deal-in more, it doesn't mean he will not win against players with lower call rate.
I'm not even defending myself. My call rate is the same as almost everybody in Jade room. In fact. I think the TC has higher call rate than you and I and better than us.
I want to see your profile to check your call rate and deal-in rate. That's it. I shared my, TC shared his. Not sure why you are worry about it sharing it.
FWIW, east takes just as much skill as south, it's just a bit higher variance. It's no different than going into S1 in a hanchan where points are relatively flat.
Experienced players use suji not for guaranteed safety, but as a tool when necessary. Things like noting tedashi-tsumogiri and cut order can give a lot of clues on what could be safe or not when players are playing reasonably. These kinds of things can open up more defensive options but are less straightforward to talk about. Just as an example of higher level reads, [here](https://i.imgur.com/y7CIT51.png) is a situation where the red 5p is considered pretty safe and worth pushing even though it's not obviously safe.
Just because you can call unsafely doesn't mean it's the only way to call. If one's hand is slim enough or has blocks that incorporate safe tiles against other players, then calling doesn't always mean certain death. Calling is far from a one dimensional thing and good calling judgement is not easy.
True, on average high call rate means higher deal-in rate, higher winning rate.
Bad call lead to deal-in. But at high lvl, they call doesn't mean deal-in. There are also exceptions to the rule, higher call rate, but same deal-in rate as other people.
i just think its quite unusual that his call rate is high, damaten quite a bit yet his average score is high as well. He probably has a lot of doras and im surprised he has 38% 1st place. Ive seen many Saints with 33% win rate and 13% 4th place rate over thousands of games but 38% seems a bit over the top
38% first rate is insane
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Luck favours you xD Be wary of the inevitable curse of non-stop bad hands.
41% call rate and 38% 1st place is insane
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but u call every 4/10 rounds i don't get how to be defensive with a small hand when every card i have is considered dangerous
40% is still on acceptable range. I have higher call rate on east games with 12% deal-in rate. (https://amae-koromo.sapk.ch/player/124907514/8) totally, different style than my south game. Call rate is a playstyle, it doesn't determine winning or losing. there couple Japanese pro with 40% call rare as well. Edit: watch this hour long video if you want to learn about defense and hand reading. Also, remember if you win before other, you don't need defense. Open hands average is faster than close hands. https://youtu.be/zaUT8Y0S_Cg
the point is u cant hand read with no cards. There are so many instances where u dont have cards to throw. 40% on EAST is normal on east games cause u prioritize early winning over anything else though, which is different from south games
Priorities easy winning means less deal-in. You are safe when you win. Good players, don't just open the hand for fun. I open, I can still defend because I don't call until I only have 1 or 4 tiles left. Riichi vs open hand race, the open hand player can defend. Riichi player can't. If they are dama,, then you are screwed either way. It shouldn't make you deal-in more when you open in south game compare to East game. I'm not talking about winning rate. I'm just talking about defending and dealing in. Aggressive players can have a low deal-in rare because they win fast and scare other to fold. It's a style, it doesn't mean they are bad player or have high deal-in rate. Do you have lower than 12% deal-in rate with your low open rate? Becauae the TC has less than 12% deal-in rate. Share you profile url here and compare to the TC.
who was talking about deal in? i said its normal for East games to have higher CALL rate. "Good players dont call until they only have 1 to 4 tiles left". Ya but u call every 4/10 rounds LMAO. I dont think uve ever been in situations where u have no cards to defend even though u have 10 cards left so i guess you're not experienced enough.
I think I play more mahjong than you, not just on mjs, not just riichi mahjong. Share your amae profile like the MC and I. Even when you don't open. Sometimes, you have no 100% safe tile. Maybe there are safe tile, you just don't which. It's not about 1 games, it's all about over 100s of games and how many time do you deal-in, right? Why are you worry about that 1/100 chance and not call to win?
U play east rounds which are not a good gauge of skill compared to south rounds, so i dont get what youre trying to prove. I play other forms of mahjong and irl mahjong as well like Chinese mahjong. When people riichi, everyone will throw safe cards only and when u call u wont have any safe cards left to throw. Suji wont even work half the time because good players will use it against u. Defense theory doesnt work much on a high level. "not call to win" bro go see every professional player stats u will know most people dont call unless needed to. You keep trying to defend yourself to make it seem like your playstyle works but it doesnt work on long games. You mentioned a "couple" players have high call rate playstyle meaning you yourself know that most good players dont, for a good reason :)
I give my profile url right? most of my games are in south. All I'm saying play whatever style work for you. Just because the TC has 40% call rate, it doesn't mean he will deal-in more, it doesn't mean he will not win against players with lower call rate. I'm not even defending myself. My call rate is the same as almost everybody in Jade room. In fact. I think the TC has higher call rate than you and I and better than us. I want to see your profile to check your call rate and deal-in rate. That's it. I shared my, TC shared his. Not sure why you are worry about it sharing it.
FWIW, east takes just as much skill as south, it's just a bit higher variance. It's no different than going into S1 in a hanchan where points are relatively flat. Experienced players use suji not for guaranteed safety, but as a tool when necessary. Things like noting tedashi-tsumogiri and cut order can give a lot of clues on what could be safe or not when players are playing reasonably. These kinds of things can open up more defensive options but are less straightforward to talk about. Just as an example of higher level reads, [here](https://i.imgur.com/y7CIT51.png) is a situation where the red 5p is considered pretty safe and worth pushing even though it's not obviously safe. Just because you can call unsafely doesn't mean it's the only way to call. If one's hand is slim enough or has blocks that incorporate safe tiles against other players, then calling doesn't always mean certain death. Calling is far from a one dimensional thing and good calling judgement is not easy.
Most people with low open rates have deal in rate of 10-11% and even more so for pros if u actually watch them though
True, on average high call rate means higher deal-in rate, higher winning rate. Bad call lead to deal-in. But at high lvl, they call doesn't mean deal-in. There are also exceptions to the rule, higher call rate, but same deal-in rate as other people.
i just think its quite unusual that his call rate is high, damaten quite a bit yet his average score is high as well. He probably has a lot of doras and im surprised he has 38% 1st place. Ive seen many Saints with 33% win rate and 13% 4th place rate over thousands of games but 38% seems a bit over the top