My mum indirectly does some feedback to the local mosque this via our neighbour when the morning azan gets too loud. Usually it's because our local mosque has a new bilal and they want to flex their vocals and be a lil too enthusiastic. Mind you, the mosque is across the road around 400m away too.
im a muslim. but yeah i understand when the azan is a bit mor anthu than usual. especially when they let children do the azan. oh man those get soo high pitched ahhaahaha
I'm a muslim too. kids doing the azan always got me chuckles they're really high pitched and the fact that i personally knew most of them is even funnier 🤣 and setiap kali dorang laung azan it's always so sudden, with no piercing screech of mic noise yg biasa kita dgr tu, tgh sunyi sepi tiba2 terus azan with their high pitched voice 😂
Wish there was more background info. The man in the dark robe seems to be unnecessarily confrontational. The other man in blue seems to be dealing with it more tactfully. Hope this doesn't get blown out of proportion. In general suraus and mosque need to take into account the volume of their sermons to avoid bad relationship with neighbours
People expect to go to the mosque to pray and have a peaceful time with God. Suddenly there is a woman barging in and shouting who knows what, making issue out of nothing. Any guy can panas hati.
I also think there is another way around that people should just respect others' religion. I do agree this should not be taken out of proportion.
Anytime a non muslim causing ruckus this sub will always give them the benefit of the doubt. Look at how OP phrased it, mentally ill, not racist or intolerant like how they would when a muslim does something. But I don't think it reflects on the majority population of the non muslims community in Malaysia, this is just specific on this subreddit.
Couple months ago there was a video where a chinese auntie drove in the emergency lane and crashedintk few motorcyclist theyre so quick say shes mentally ill also. Then theres the auntie who cant speak Malay trying to renew passport. Their faults are easily sympathised by most people on this sub.
I am half swede and I know this for a fact, most 'official' country subreddit seems to lean in one direction. This fake progressivism is not unique to only this sub. Go and see r /sverige. Sverige is swedish name for sweden just in case. Im sure you can translate some of the post and judge for yourself how most posts lean towards similar direction.
Its sad also alot of people think north europe are progressive when in fact, we are probably a lot more racist. Malaysia and Singapore is the only country I know that makes other religous celebration a holiday. That in itself speaks volume about how tolerant Malaysia is. Im lucky I look a lot more white than asian. I have an Indian friend who is treated as if he has a stench and it follows him to this day.
Go to r /sverige if you don't trust me. Selamat berpuasa btw brother.
Noted on that brother. I wish you well on this wonderful Ramadhan. I am grateful that i am born and bred here in Malaysia, especially Sarawak. We have lots of races here; Malay, Iban, Chinese, Kayan, Kenyah, etc. What is wonderful here is that not all Muslims here are Malay. Some are Melanau, Mirik, Kedayan, Iban, etc. The fact is that we also have relatives who are non-Muslims. That's why most of us here tend to respect each other. As mentioned in the Quran, there should be no coercion in Islam. We also shouldn't force our belief into others. Otherwise, we cannot achieve harmony.
As for this reddit forums, I don't think we should take seriously of their responses. We don't know who is behind the keyboards. Whether they are liberals, atheists, lost souls, underage kids or what, who knows. I am not a perfect person myself since i hv strong opinions on certain things that may be biased to others. I don't expect the reddit users here to take my advise head on either.
Btw, the only things i know about sweden are Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Khamzat Chimaev and IKEA. I think you live in a great country. Just be strong and stay to Quran teachings, brother, though in a moderate, not extremist way. InsyaAllah we will be in good hands.
Tbh, it can trigger people with autism. I think many people will know that autistic people are triggered by light, sound or repetitive things.. it's should be a consideration la...
FB post by JAKIM : Loudspeaker is for azan & Iqamat only
"aktiviti lain seperti bacaan al-Quran, zikir, qiamullail, ceramah dan kuliah dengan menggunakan pembesar suara di luar masjid dan surau adalah dilarang menurut hukum syarak"
[Isu pembesar... - Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia - JAKIM | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/MyJAKIMmalaysia/posts/isu-pembesar-suara-larangan-selaras-ajaran-islam-sebenargeorgetown-fatwa-yang-me/3644623088921567)
The woman's older sister already apologized on her behalf, saying that this woman got mentally ill after coming back from europe
> The woman's older sister already apologized on her behalf, saying that this woman got mentally ill after coming back from europe
Thats pretty funny. "She visited other countries and now thinks differently. That means she is mentally ill"
"Makin melampau puak kumunis mata sepit ni.lepas ni kalau diaorg minta roboh masjid,jabatan agama pun setuju jugak lah,lepas tu keluarkan dalil2..jahanam melayu islam kalau mcm ni.jika 1 dah berjaya,mereka akan minta lebih lagi.."
Here's a comment from that post.
Even a mentally ill person know what's annoying and what's not. My house is located around 500 meters from the nearest mosque, and the sound is still kinda loud. Can you imagine what those who lives nearer have to go through every single day? Just be considerate la.
I live in a neighbourhood of 99.99% muslim and people here do complain too if the speakers get too loud or if the mosque AJK uses the speakers other than azan. It's been yeaaaaaars now since they misused the loudspeaker. The AJK needs to know that there are babies and the likes that need their rest undisturbed. For non muslim, u can try voicing out to your muslim neighbours and ask them to talk to the AJK. Or you can meet the Imam after they're done with their prayer and talk like an adult. Nobody likes aggressive confrontation. What i'm trying to say is, muslim faces this issue too so non muslim don't need to feel like they're trying to cause a stir if they ever need to complain.
Dalam beribadah berpada-padalah, fikir lah tentang jiran dan ketenangan warga awam, janganlah sampai tiap-tiap hari 1 minggu 7 hari memekak. Jangan buat orang benci dengan kita, kata penganut Islam ada masalah pendengaran tak reti urus masa sendiri, tak reti beribadah dengan cara berwibawa/civilised. Orang sembah berhala lebih rajin beribadah pada tuhan masing-masing, boleh tunaikan tamggungjawab tanpa loudspeaker. Lebih aman tenteram dari pengikut yang suka kecoh riuh.
old Buddha temples used to ring big giant bells, but stopped the practice in modern days, because this practice doesn't suit modern life anymore
old Christian churches used to ring big giant bells, but stopped the practice in modern days, because this practice doesn't suit modern life anymore
old mosques never had any bell or loud speaker, but suddenly in modern days they creatively added it in and claimed it to be an important tradition pulak
good job to them for showing the world how civilized they are
Sorry mate, your claim about churches is erroneous. I lived in the UK for 5 years, and travelled extensively across the EU. They absolutely do ring those giant bells, especially in the EU, at noon in some places everyday (like some parts of Germany for instance) and definitely every sunday. My apartment in the UK was right next to a church and the bell serves as my personal time teller (noon). Nobody complained about it because we accept it as part of the cultural fabric of the UK/EU.
In Jerusalem the bells, the azan, and the ram’s horn are blasted throughout the city, and it is a part of the city unique cultural fabric.
But of course, if ‘they’ do it then its uncivilized and backwards, ey?
Sorry mate, but time is the issue here. According to the article it was 10PM. That's when people sleep.
It is very in fact uncivilized and plain rude to disturb other people's sleep.
Oh is that right? Sorry, i was responding to the post above. The post above made certain generalizations to make a point, of which i know to be plain wrong because i have experienced otherwise. When you make interconnected claims to support a point, and one of your claims is wrong, your entire argument collapses, akin to a house of cards.
And yes, i believe the mosque loudspeakers blasting away at 10 pm is uncalled for, and the mosque committee should be informed to turn it down. If they don’t comply, it can be escalated quite easily, and they’ll be compelled to do so by district/state authorities. How do i know? Because my parents live in a ~99% malay muslim area and they told 2 mosque around the area to turn it down, and the mosques apologized and happily complied.
Thats what civilized ppl do. Civilized ppl talk things out and try to reach a resolution that benefits all parties, not make sweeping generalizations about ppl online.
If it's about embracing technology, they could've just effectively reminded more muslims with a phone app notification or even a reminder/commercial break on TV.
already done all that. you so slow la. It's about not letting disbelievers teach you about your religion. I will not allow those who do not understand or respect my beliefs to dictate how I should live my life. It is my responsibility to educate myself and uphold the teachings of my religion with integrity and conviction.
You won't let non Muslims tell you live. But Muslims love telling non Muslims what they can and can't do. Not just cause this is a Islamic country, you even see this in Europe.
So generally are Muslims intolerant?
well for your knowledge,only if ruling class a muslim which is less than 50 country. else we adhere to their authority for matters such as the call to prayer as long they dont tell us to do opposite of our faith pillar.
Back in the day before speakers, how did they do the azan? I swear it can be terribly annoying when you have to tolerate it FIVE TIMES A DAY JUST BECAUSE YOU MUSLIMS CANT REMEMBER WHEN TO PRAY.
Azan's purpose is to call the muslim to the mosque for prayer. the idea is for the call to reach as far away as possible. However, other zikir (religious chanting) and quran recitation are not required to be put on the loudspeaker. there should be a balance.
the surau/masjid should use the loudspeaker for only azan in major non-muslim populated area (JAKIM had already issued guidelines) and for non-muslim to tolerate azan when its being called seeing as Malaysia is a muslim majority country like turkey and Qatar.
I get it Sir and I respect Islam religion as much as mine. Mine is Hindu religion Sir u/selangorman . For example, I go to the temple at 7PM without anyone from temple calling me because as a Hindu practitioner I know temple would start the prayers at 7PM.
Why Muslims has to be told or enforced in order to practice the religion? As a Muslim practitioner aren't you the one to be aware when is Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha?
The Christians have their bells, the jews had their shofar, the muslims have their azan and the working man have their iphone alarm clock (to wake up to)...
the need for a a call and reminders are what made us humans.
Then you should get your ears check. azan is ubiquitous in Istanbul, even liam neeson has heard of it:
"While the news story first appeared in The Sun newspaper in 2012, it recently resurfaced in the Daily Mail, with Neeson – who was reared a Roman Catholic in Northern Ireland – **reportedly admitted that the Islamic call to prayer “got into his spirit” while filming Taken 2 in Istanbul, Turkey"**
https://english.alarabiya.net/life-style/entertainment/2015/01/13/Exclusive-Liam-Neeson-I-am-not-converting-to-Islam-#:\~:text=While%20the%20news%20story%20first,Taken%202%20in%20Istanbul%2C%20Turkey.
Typical kiasu mindset. first u want to troll saying no azan in turkey, eventhough everyone knew turkey is an Islamic country. then when i expose your ignorance u come up with a limp excuse that 'probably' they dont do it as loud. go to Singapore la if u want quiet azan.
eh no need behave so hostile lah. aiyo in masjid summore. malu la tengok perangai muslim mcm ni. masjid is a community space. a space where if u need help u can come and seek help. its not some exclusive club for muslim.
I thought this problem only occur in Indonesia.
There's riot in north Sumatra because a mom ask mosque to put the speaker volume down and the Moeslim burn down Buddhist monastery because this mom is a Buddhist. 😅😆
Can someone clarify if it's mandatory to read Adhan/Azan on loudspeaker (minarets)?
It's basically to let fellow Muslims know that it is time to pray, right (call to prayer)? If so, wouldn't there be no need for the loudspeakers since we live in an age where just about everyone has timekeeping devices?
Juga, kalau saya ada apa yang tersalah cakap, saya mohon maaf.
Yes. I agree with another Redditor that Azan is not on same time everyday but as you say we could improve this instead of using the same old method.
The last old improvement done was using speaker and mic. This can be improved further now that we have applications and IoT.
Thank you for your civil candor for a possible recourse.
You have my utmost respect for proposing a very civil solution that could very well stand to benefit society as a whole.
The proposal of the usage of IoT is splendid indeed.
That's the problem with the internet. Minor things like this also need to be viral. As a multiracial nation, things like i respect you and you respect me is important. You can talk it out with the local community.
I am still flabbergasted that with today’s technology, radio, tv, phones, watches, maps… Azan still has to be so loud, that preaching has to be blasted over the speakers, etc…
Sorry.. just trying to understand since this topic is posted.. why do Muslims need azan? Why can’t they themselves go and pray?
Not criticising, just a question to understand this better
Well the prayer times are not the same everyday in different regions, therefore why we need a call for prayer. Another comment also explained the same thing. Hope that clears up a lot
As a Muslim myself, Sometimes I'm inclined to agree that Mosques azan can be a little tad but too loud. Their excuse would usually be so that more Muslims are able to hear the call of prayer. That's great and all, but when paired with a bilal Yang tak merdu langsung is what gets me haha.
Mentally ill means many things, but quite a number have very acute hearing so loud sounds/voices feels like a needle digging into their ears and brain at times
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And it's not disgusting for nons to get their sleep cut short in the morning? I also call out my fellow Chinese for polluting the air when they burn incense and shit, but suddenly it's anti-Malay/Islam to criticize y'all for inconsiderate behaviour?
Read the article by says.com before siding with a mentally ill person. You live in a muslim country. Respect the religion as we have respected yours. Otherwise you’re just being rude.
Who said it's meant to be loud? Human's vocal limit of loud, maybe. But loudspeakers? Do you think the prophet had loudspeakers in medina or mecca back then or something?
Well that's the reason why there's towers at mosques.. to reached out..
And that's why it is easier to just use loudspeaker isn't it... Same reason why Christians using bells
But it's not mandatory, nor is it even necessary anymore. People here act like loudspeakers are an absolute protected right of muslims, when in fact it's not even a thing back in the prophet's days which is what you should be following. As far as using technology, we've had tv, watches, the internet, and now apps on smartphone to inform people about prayer times.
Just think about it. When you're out at the mall, and you're trying to figure out whether it's time to break your fast, which is more likely, opening your ears in an attempt to hear some mosque's azaan, or just looking at your phone and googling "maghrib "?
but doing so still affects neighbours who aren't muslim. sure muslims need to pray, but at what cost? noise pollution affects the mental health of other people too. noise pollution disturbs sleep and in the long run greatly reduce the quality of sleep and sanity.
I get your point.. but mosques don't adzan so late in the night only isyak(other than that it's probably terawih prayers which happens 1month everyyear).. and subuh at early in the morning, which alot of my non Muslim friends take it as a perfect alarms to start the day
Sure, some people can take that as an alarm, but that doesn't mean that it's still ok. Different people have different sleeping schedules. Some people need more total sleeping hours than others.
What I say, don't disrespect the main religion of one country.. its like you living in China, then complaining about the smell of burning incense/ stick. Got it?
and we're saying it shouldn't be like that.
everyone knows you don't do it if you value your life. Doesn't make it right.
better to point out what should be than what is because we need more people who don't think it's right.
She's just complaining about the volume, and they're so angry just because of it. She should be dealt with with respect and tolerance
Muslims should not be quick to anger. Muhammad SAW has forbade it. It's one of the biggest ills of the ummah right now.
Muslims are proud of going against the sunnah of muhammad. Is this what Islam has devolved into? Strongman posturing over treating people with forgiveness
My mum indirectly does some feedback to the local mosque this via our neighbour when the morning azan gets too loud. Usually it's because our local mosque has a new bilal and they want to flex their vocals and be a lil too enthusiastic. Mind you, the mosque is across the road around 400m away too.
im a muslim. but yeah i understand when the azan is a bit mor anthu than usual. especially when they let children do the azan. oh man those get soo high pitched ahhaahaha
I'm a muslim too. kids doing the azan always got me chuckles they're really high pitched and the fact that i personally knew most of them is even funnier 🤣 and setiap kali dorang laung azan it's always so sudden, with no piercing screech of mic noise yg biasa kita dgr tu, tgh sunyi sepi tiba2 terus azan with their high pitched voice 😂
The funny thing is my neighbour is the one that goes over in the morning to wake the bilal cause pakcik needs to do subuh prayers.
New bill had me lmao.
Wish there was more background info. The man in the dark robe seems to be unnecessarily confrontational. The other man in blue seems to be dealing with it more tactfully. Hope this doesn't get blown out of proportion. In general suraus and mosque need to take into account the volume of their sermons to avoid bad relationship with neighbours
Imagine heading off to do your prayers and what you end up doing is punching a woman having a breakdown.
Ni bulan puasa, tapi dia takde sabarnya
Dia ingat puasa tu diet saje..
We don't know how the woman is speaking too because it's muted
People expect to go to the mosque to pray and have a peaceful time with God. Suddenly there is a woman barging in and shouting who knows what, making issue out of nothing. Any guy can panas hati. I also think there is another way around that people should just respect others' religion. I do agree this should not be taken out of proportion.
Anytime a non muslim causing ruckus this sub will always give them the benefit of the doubt. Look at how OP phrased it, mentally ill, not racist or intolerant like how they would when a muslim does something. But I don't think it reflects on the majority population of the non muslims community in Malaysia, this is just specific on this subreddit. Couple months ago there was a video where a chinese auntie drove in the emergency lane and crashedintk few motorcyclist theyre so quick say shes mentally ill also. Then theres the auntie who cant speak Malay trying to renew passport. Their faults are easily sympathised by most people on this sub. I am half swede and I know this for a fact, most 'official' country subreddit seems to lean in one direction. This fake progressivism is not unique to only this sub. Go and see r /sverige. Sverige is swedish name for sweden just in case. Im sure you can translate some of the post and judge for yourself how most posts lean towards similar direction. Its sad also alot of people think north europe are progressive when in fact, we are probably a lot more racist. Malaysia and Singapore is the only country I know that makes other religous celebration a holiday. That in itself speaks volume about how tolerant Malaysia is. Im lucky I look a lot more white than asian. I have an Indian friend who is treated as if he has a stench and it follows him to this day. Go to r /sverige if you don't trust me. Selamat berpuasa btw brother.
Noted on that brother. I wish you well on this wonderful Ramadhan. I am grateful that i am born and bred here in Malaysia, especially Sarawak. We have lots of races here; Malay, Iban, Chinese, Kayan, Kenyah, etc. What is wonderful here is that not all Muslims here are Malay. Some are Melanau, Mirik, Kedayan, Iban, etc. The fact is that we also have relatives who are non-Muslims. That's why most of us here tend to respect each other. As mentioned in the Quran, there should be no coercion in Islam. We also shouldn't force our belief into others. Otherwise, we cannot achieve harmony. As for this reddit forums, I don't think we should take seriously of their responses. We don't know who is behind the keyboards. Whether they are liberals, atheists, lost souls, underage kids or what, who knows. I am not a perfect person myself since i hv strong opinions on certain things that may be biased to others. I don't expect the reddit users here to take my advise head on either. Btw, the only things i know about sweden are Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Khamzat Chimaev and IKEA. I think you live in a great country. Just be strong and stay to Quran teachings, brother, though in a moderate, not extremist way. InsyaAllah we will be in good hands.
If too loud and creat discomfort among neighbours this is highly unIslamic. Always be mindful of babies, the elderly, the sick in the hood
That would be impossible. Three mosque around my area, and they are trying to outblast each other every day.
I can hear 4/5... 
Too many unislamic people pretending to be Islamic
say this louder. the way you get converts is by being respectful
NGL it can be loud some times. Just saying.
Fr. it be BLASTING at my ear sometimes.
Loud sounds cause mental health problems
Tbh, it can trigger people with autism. I think many people will know that autistic people are triggered by light, sound or repetitive things.. it's should be a consideration la...
As mentally ill person I think we deserve some peace also la, a bit consideration won't kill 🙏
"hanya setan je yg takut dengar azan" kata Pak Halim sambil isap gam Dunlop
So is she mentally ill before or after this incident?
Yes
Aladeen
What an aladeen news.
She is mentally aladeen!
FB post by JAKIM : Loudspeaker is for azan & Iqamat only "aktiviti lain seperti bacaan al-Quran, zikir, qiamullail, ceramah dan kuliah dengan menggunakan pembesar suara di luar masjid dan surau adalah dilarang menurut hukum syarak" [Isu pembesar... - Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia - JAKIM | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/MyJAKIMmalaysia/posts/isu-pembesar-suara-larangan-selaras-ajaran-islam-sebenargeorgetown-fatwa-yang-me/3644623088921567) The woman's older sister already apologized on her behalf, saying that this woman got mentally ill after coming back from europe
> The woman's older sister already apologized on her behalf, saying that this woman got mentally ill after coming back from europe Thats pretty funny. "She visited other countries and now thinks differently. That means she is mentally ill"
yeah, kinda sus but I think she's just trying to de-escalate
Most likely, but still funny.
OKU card?
Religion for mentally ills...
"Makin melampau puak kumunis mata sepit ni.lepas ni kalau diaorg minta roboh masjid,jabatan agama pun setuju jugak lah,lepas tu keluarkan dalil2..jahanam melayu islam kalau mcm ni.jika 1 dah berjaya,mereka akan minta lebih lagi.." Here's a comment from that post.
istg some of these rempit guys talk as if they know Islam better than JAKIM
now i wanna know what happened in Europe
Damn. Never heard of this case before
Even a mentally ill person know what's annoying and what's not. My house is located around 500 meters from the nearest mosque, and the sound is still kinda loud. Can you imagine what those who lives nearer have to go through every single day? Just be considerate la.
> be considerate T'challa: we don't do that here
I live in a neighbourhood of 99.99% muslim and people here do complain too if the speakers get too loud or if the mosque AJK uses the speakers other than azan. It's been yeaaaaaars now since they misused the loudspeaker. The AJK needs to know that there are babies and the likes that need their rest undisturbed. For non muslim, u can try voicing out to your muslim neighbours and ask them to talk to the AJK. Or you can meet the Imam after they're done with their prayer and talk like an adult. Nobody likes aggressive confrontation. What i'm trying to say is, muslim faces this issue too so non muslim don't need to feel like they're trying to cause a stir if they ever need to complain.
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Dalam beribadah berpada-padalah, fikir lah tentang jiran dan ketenangan warga awam, janganlah sampai tiap-tiap hari 1 minggu 7 hari memekak. Jangan buat orang benci dengan kita, kata penganut Islam ada masalah pendengaran tak reti urus masa sendiri, tak reti beribadah dengan cara berwibawa/civilised. Orang sembah berhala lebih rajin beribadah pada tuhan masing-masing, boleh tunaikan tamggungjawab tanpa loudspeaker. Lebih aman tenteram dari pengikut yang suka kecoh riuh.
old Buddha temples used to ring big giant bells, but stopped the practice in modern days, because this practice doesn't suit modern life anymore old Christian churches used to ring big giant bells, but stopped the practice in modern days, because this practice doesn't suit modern life anymore old mosques never had any bell or loud speaker, but suddenly in modern days they creatively added it in and claimed it to be an important tradition pulak good job to them for showing the world how civilized they are
Sorry mate, your claim about churches is erroneous. I lived in the UK for 5 years, and travelled extensively across the EU. They absolutely do ring those giant bells, especially in the EU, at noon in some places everyday (like some parts of Germany for instance) and definitely every sunday. My apartment in the UK was right next to a church and the bell serves as my personal time teller (noon). Nobody complained about it because we accept it as part of the cultural fabric of the UK/EU. In Jerusalem the bells, the azan, and the ram’s horn are blasted throughout the city, and it is a part of the city unique cultural fabric. But of course, if ‘they’ do it then its uncivilized and backwards, ey?
Sorry mate, but time is the issue here. According to the article it was 10PM. That's when people sleep. It is very in fact uncivilized and plain rude to disturb other people's sleep.
Oh is that right? Sorry, i was responding to the post above. The post above made certain generalizations to make a point, of which i know to be plain wrong because i have experienced otherwise. When you make interconnected claims to support a point, and one of your claims is wrong, your entire argument collapses, akin to a house of cards. And yes, i believe the mosque loudspeakers blasting away at 10 pm is uncalled for, and the mosque committee should be informed to turn it down. If they don’t comply, it can be escalated quite easily, and they’ll be compelled to do so by district/state authorities. How do i know? Because my parents live in a ~99% malay muslim area and they told 2 mosque around the area to turn it down, and the mosques apologized and happily complied. Thats what civilized ppl do. Civilized ppl talk things out and try to reach a resolution that benefits all parties, not make sweeping generalizations about ppl online.
Then those Mat Salleh also uncivilized. It's by action, not by person
so, what's the standard of being 'civilized' then?
It's a shifting standard. Move with the times, or be uncivilized
so you're saying that being 'civilized' doesn't have a standard and it's completely made up?
Do you mean to say that Islam is truly civilized because they embrace technology without forsaking their religion, unlike other religions.
If it's about embracing technology, they could've just effectively reminded more muslims with a phone app notification or even a reminder/commercial break on TV.
already done all that. you so slow la. It's about not letting disbelievers teach you about your religion. I will not allow those who do not understand or respect my beliefs to dictate how I should live my life. It is my responsibility to educate myself and uphold the teachings of my religion with integrity and conviction.
You won't let non Muslims tell you live. But Muslims love telling non Muslims what they can and can't do. Not just cause this is a Islamic country, you even see this in Europe. So generally are Muslims intolerant?
well for your knowledge,only if ruling class a muslim which is less than 50 country. else we adhere to their authority for matters such as the call to prayer as long they dont tell us to do opposite of our faith pillar.
>they dont tell us to do opposite of our faith pillar. And what will happen when non-muslims do talk about Islam's pillars?
Back in the day before speakers, how did they do the azan? I swear it can be terribly annoying when you have to tolerate it FIVE TIMES A DAY JUST BECAUSE YOU MUSLIMS CANT REMEMBER WHEN TO PRAY.
Using vocals, the ones beyond the vocal reach of the bilal relies on the position of the sun.
Tak kurang pun pahala kalau speaker tak kuat.
"mentally ill"
I'm a non Muslim. May I know why have to blast in speaker of the prayer song instead of just inside the mosque? 🤔
Azan's purpose is to call the muslim to the mosque for prayer. the idea is for the call to reach as far away as possible. However, other zikir (religious chanting) and quran recitation are not required to be put on the loudspeaker. there should be a balance. the surau/masjid should use the loudspeaker for only azan in major non-muslim populated area (JAKIM had already issued guidelines) and for non-muslim to tolerate azan when its being called seeing as Malaysia is a muslim majority country like turkey and Qatar.
I get it Sir and I respect Islam religion as much as mine. Mine is Hindu religion Sir u/selangorman . For example, I go to the temple at 7PM without anyone from temple calling me because as a Hindu practitioner I know temple would start the prayers at 7PM. Why Muslims has to be told or enforced in order to practice the religion? As a Muslim practitioner aren't you the one to be aware when is Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha?
i mean .... the time for azan is not the same time usually soo yeah
This answer is far more acceptable. Makes sense now. Thanks.
The Christians have their bells, the jews had their shofar, the muslims have their azan and the working man have their iphone alarm clock (to wake up to)... the need for a a call and reminders are what made us humans.
which reminds me i don’t remember hearing anything in turkey 🤔
You went to the wrong turkey. You know what they said, you are welcome to leave if you don't like malaysia.
nah it was the right one
Then you should get your ears check. azan is ubiquitous in Istanbul, even liam neeson has heard of it: "While the news story first appeared in The Sun newspaper in 2012, it recently resurfaced in the Daily Mail, with Neeson – who was reared a Roman Catholic in Northern Ireland – **reportedly admitted that the Islamic call to prayer “got into his spirit” while filming Taken 2 in Istanbul, Turkey"** https://english.alarabiya.net/life-style/entertainment/2015/01/13/Exclusive-Liam-Neeson-I-am-not-converting-to-Islam-#:\~:text=While%20the%20news%20story%20first,Taken%202%20in%20Istanbul%2C%20Turkey.
probably not as loud as in msia
Typical kiasu mindset. first u want to troll saying no azan in turkey, eventhough everyone knew turkey is an Islamic country. then when i expose your ignorance u come up with a limp excuse that 'probably' they dont do it as loud. go to Singapore la if u want quiet azan.
i nvr said there was no azan i said i nvr hear it
Make telegram group to call them to mosque
eh no need behave so hostile lah. aiyo in masjid summore. malu la tengok perangai muslim mcm ni. masjid is a community space. a space where if u need help u can come and seek help. its not some exclusive club for muslim.
I thought this problem only occur in Indonesia. There's riot in north Sumatra because a mom ask mosque to put the speaker volume down and the Moeslim burn down Buddhist monastery because this mom is a Buddhist. 😅😆
Ah, mentally ill..sure… 
Can someone clarify if it's mandatory to read Adhan/Azan on loudspeaker (minarets)? It's basically to let fellow Muslims know that it is time to pray, right (call to prayer)? If so, wouldn't there be no need for the loudspeakers since we live in an age where just about everyone has timekeeping devices? Juga, kalau saya ada apa yang tersalah cakap, saya mohon maaf.
Yes. I agree with another Redditor that Azan is not on same time everyday but as you say we could improve this instead of using the same old method. The last old improvement done was using speaker and mic. This can be improved further now that we have applications and IoT.
Thank you for your civil candor for a possible recourse. You have my utmost respect for proposing a very civil solution that could very well stand to benefit society as a whole. The proposal of the usage of IoT is splendid indeed.
Maybe she's not mentally ill?
They're always WAY too loud in neighbourhoods, donnid to let everyone hear la walao
That's the problem with the internet. Minor things like this also need to be viral. As a multiracial nation, things like i respect you and you respect me is important. You can talk it out with the local community.
I am still flabbergasted that with today’s technology, radio, tv, phones, watches, maps… Azan still has to be so loud, that preaching has to be blasted over the speakers, etc…
Sorry.. just trying to understand since this topic is posted.. why do Muslims need azan? Why can’t they themselves go and pray? Not criticising, just a question to understand this better
You can just googled that Buddy heres one : It is the first call summoning Muslims to enter the mosque for obligatory (fardhu) prayers.
That I know my friend.. the question is why summon?? Why can’t my Muslims brothers go by themselves, why call for prayer?
Well the prayer times are not the same everyday in different regions, therefore why we need a call for prayer. Another comment also explained the same thing. Hope that clears up a lot
As a Muslim myself, Sometimes I'm inclined to agree that Mosques azan can be a little tad but too loud. Their excuse would usually be so that more Muslims are able to hear the call of prayer. That's great and all, but when paired with a bilal Yang tak merdu langsung is what gets me haha.
Mentally ill means many things, but quite a number have very acute hearing so loud sounds/voices feels like a needle digging into their ears and brain at times
auntie got her oku card ready before creating chaos
Why can’t they build sound proof walls and enclose the mosque?
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This sub should be renamed to anti-Malay & anti-Islam. It's disgusting
How is it disgusting for people asking Muslims to be considerate of others? Explain.
He’s too busy slowing down butt videos on Reddit to bother responding. https://preview.redd.it/4c2f0jzrigpc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f492f9a4809086ca481f81ecf6178cb779d77f6
And it's not disgusting for nons to get their sleep cut short in the morning? I also call out my fellow Chinese for polluting the air when they burn incense and shit, but suddenly it's anti-Malay/Islam to criticize y'all for inconsiderate behaviour?
Are you a follower of Islam and do you take it seriously?
https://preview.redd.it/5hn0iljkdbpc1.png?width=614&format=png&auto=webp&s=0424f36e1d40c7a0b984a4650834531c15ede7b5
Tahniah yang masih khusyuk bersolat.
send to mental institutional check up then
Read the article by says.com before siding with a mentally ill person. You live in a muslim country. Respect the religion as we have respected yours. Otherwise you’re just being rude.
> as we have respected yours Hahaha, yeah right.
tell me, is blasting your prayers at 10pm polite? is it polite to disturb other people's sleep?
respected other religions by prohibiting the display of religious symbols?
malaysia is NOT a muslim country, get that right first.
While it's true Islam is not the only religion in the country, it is in fact the official religion. That is part of the constitution.
They should add other official religions
in Malaysia ?? lol
Why not
Since when did this sub become Soo anti Islamic
being considerate is anti islamic?
Adzan is meant to be loud It is the first call summoning Muslims to enter the mosque for obligatory (fardhu) prayers
Who said it's meant to be loud? Human's vocal limit of loud, maybe. But loudspeakers? Do you think the prophet had loudspeakers in medina or mecca back then or something?
Well that's the reason why there's towers at mosques.. to reached out.. And that's why it is easier to just use loudspeaker isn't it... Same reason why Christians using bells
But it's not mandatory, nor is it even necessary anymore. People here act like loudspeakers are an absolute protected right of muslims, when in fact it's not even a thing back in the prophet's days which is what you should be following. As far as using technology, we've had tv, watches, the internet, and now apps on smartphone to inform people about prayer times. Just think about it. When you're out at the mall, and you're trying to figure out whether it's time to break your fast, which is more likely, opening your ears in an attempt to hear some mosque's azaan, or just looking at your phone and googling "maghrib"?
but doing so still affects neighbours who aren't muslim. sure muslims need to pray, but at what cost? noise pollution affects the mental health of other people too. noise pollution disturbs sleep and in the long run greatly reduce the quality of sleep and sanity.
I get your point.. but mosques don't adzan so late in the night only isyak(other than that it's probably terawih prayers which happens 1month everyyear).. and subuh at early in the morning, which alot of my non Muslim friends take it as a perfect alarms to start the day
Sure, some people can take that as an alarm, but that doesn't mean that it's still ok. Different people have different sleeping schedules. Some people need more total sleeping hours than others.
But still tho adzan isyak (the last night prayer) aren't that late it usually happens before the clock hit 930...
yes, ik, but according to this news, it was 10pm when it happened, and she already wrote letters to the masjid for 3 times
If you live in Afghanistan you wouldn't dare to do such stunts lol 😂
Afghanistan is a failed country. No one should envy it
So what makes you think Turkey & Indonesia would react if you do this? 😂😂😂
so if other people are doing it, it's okay?
What I say, don't disrespect the main religion of one country.. its like you living in China, then complaining about the smell of burning incense/ stick. Got it?
and we're saying it shouldn't be like that. everyone knows you don't do it if you value your life. Doesn't make it right. better to point out what should be than what is because we need more people who don't think it's right.
She's just complaining about the volume, and they're so angry just because of it. She should be dealt with with respect and tolerance Muslims should not be quick to anger. Muhammad SAW has forbade it. It's one of the biggest ills of the ummah right now. Muslims are proud of going against the sunnah of muhammad. Is this what Islam has devolved into? Strongman posturing over treating people with forgiveness
yes
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