Nice, now it's just RM8k less of what I still can't afford! 
People who can buy them can afford it even with an RM8k increase — first adopters tend to be the moneyed group whom aren't going to bat an eye at a minor price change like that.
it's like 181k to 200k+ not 1.8m to 2m.
that's not rich.
the rich have more car problems than the average person. got time walk into super car workshops. you'll find out how much teething problems the new models have.
even your beloved M cars from reliable BMW has so many issues. the rich don't bitch, they get on with life
What is it with all these discounts? BYD offered a RM20k discount. EV sales drop?
[https://paultan.org/2024/03/07/my2023-byd-atto-3-now-offered-with-rm20k-discount-in-malaysia-standard-range-starts-from-rm129800/](https://paultan.org/2024/03/07/my2023-byd-atto-3-now-offered-with-rm20k-discount-in-malaysia-standard-range-starts-from-rm129800/)
Demand has plateaued and competition is stiffening. In Europe and US, people are moving back to ice cars as the advertised ranges on electric cars are very far from real figures. Ford has already announced it's electric car division alone has lost more than USD1 billion.
US and Europe EVs just suck ass nowadays (besides few of course). Batteries should be getting cheaper and better but they don't update their cars, citing rising costs and supply chains issue. So they be selling the Mach-E like it's still 2019, when the MG4X is better than that car now with modern tech.
Ford has lost billions of money since they started selling EVs, it's not even news. It's been known for awhile now.
Was Toyota right all along?
[https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/why-hybrid-sales-surge-as-ev-sales-flatten.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/why-hybrid-sales-surge-as-ev-sales-flatten.html)
Pretty much. Hybrids are more practical until battery tech gets better and Toyota are working on their solid-state drive batteries, which can also be recycled easier as they don't use as much lithium, cobalt and nickel, compared to current lithium-based solutions. Also, many EVs (including Tesla) are suffering from quality issues, like the Cybertruck and [Xiaomi's Porsche ripoff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alWRUz_wgNA). So buyers are sticking to legacy car makers like Toyota who are known for reliability and longterm value. Thus the record sales for Toyota in 2023.
that's what the media is wanting people to believe.
legacy automakers can't make a profit on EV cars, so they changed their tone. no point spending billions into R&D and end up selling millions of cars they can't profit on.
Tesla and the other chinese EV makers are responsible for other car makers loss in EV sales. they dropped their prices - to price out the competition. or in other words kill them off.
yes and no.
battery prices tanked because other car makers in the US aren't buying the battery packs. Tesla and chinese EV makers can get them much cheaper now. so they can pass savings to their customers should they want.
given Tesla's transparent pricing to consumers, it would be more apparent. for the older style dealership type that will be a bit slower.
Ora Good Cat another China brand gave RM20,000 discount.
[https://www.carsifu.my/news/ora-good-cat-promotion-up-to-rm20k-rebate-free-wall-charger](https://www.carsifu.my/news/ora-good-cat-promotion-up-to-rm20k-rebate-free-wall-charger)
Buyers who bought at the original price would have been pissed 
Values of EVs are going down faster than a $2 304 at a red light district. Many car dealers overseas won’t even accept an EV trade-in if you’re buying a new or used car.
Tesla still havent unleash their FSD yet. While BYD is not developing any sort of FSD. When car can drive by itself, who is going to buy cars that doesnt. Is like smart phone and dumb phone comparison.
Doesnt matter, it's going to be solved one day.
Nobody is going to stop you from using a mechanical watch even though digital watch that provide better value and accuracy already invented. However, adoption will definitely lean towards the one that give better values. Just pure logic.
Sure! It will be solved one day. But this is from a company that's guaranteed it will be finalised in 2017. And then in 2020. Hardly reliable.
Other companies will reach actual self driving before Tesla.
>Tesla still havent unleash their FSD yet.
Keep waiting. Considering how good tesla is in keeping their promise. It's probably 10 year more to reach Malaysia. By then their current car lineup would be incompatible. Actual good fsd need tons of sensors that tesla cut down to save cost.
BTW, Fsd would blame the driver if any accident happen. They don't want to deal with legal liability.
>who is going to buy cars that doesnt.
Everyone else thats not rich or thinking that paying for a car loan and car subscription is not financially smart.
I read it's the other way around, Tesla is seeking help from Chinese brands as an urgent call to fully materialize FSD.
Made sense because FSD will never get approved in the US anymore over that single accident, China is willing to take the risk.
EV: take "forever" to charge. if stuck in jam u GG. recharge spots not too regulated. some fuckers park at the recharge spots. if used correctly might need to lineup to recharge.
also some recharge spots got vandalized.
EV? its pretty cool but we re not ready as a country to adopt it yet.
I've been to UK, France and Japan. They seemed to fully embraced the EV shift and I see the charging hubs everywhere. Thing is, the market isn't dominated by tesla, i see a lot of other brands that is fully electrical too idk what are the brands tho.
I feel like it's only good for city driving where you don't go long distance and if you got the charging station at home you can just leave it overnight to charge.
once EV chargers are everywhere it wont be an issue. Going long distance isnt the problem. Modern EV cars have plenty of range. Enough to drive from Singapore to bukit kayu hitam in one go. As long as you can recharge before you come back that is.
The range is 500km give or take. Your ICE vehicle have longer range?
Petrol stations have chargers nowadays.
This whole not suitable for long distance driving narrative has to die.
>The range is 500km give or take. Your ICE vehicle have longer range?
ICE no need to have 500km range la bro. Just stop at the petrol station and fill up for 3 minutes.
Plus, range anxiety is a thing in EV. I can get why people are still hesitate to adapt to full EV. IMO, PHEV make more sense nowadays.
Personally, I never drove more than 300km in one trip. But, most people can only afford 1 car, and they will use that same car to balik kampung, go berkelah with family at kampung, go visit other relatives and all. To me, I just don't want to think or to plan how to charge my car while I'm vacationing.
Which is why I'd rather have PHEV car. Its okay la to have 10-20km battery only range, still can go full electric when going to local Aeon or Lotus.
Well in jb there aren't many charging stations. Advertised range isn't the range you get, I guess it also depends on driving style. My friend got the iX and from jb to seremban his battery finished, he had to wait 40 odd minutes to continue his journey. While a ICE car would take less than 5 minutes to refuel. Tesla and byd might have better range though.
The older diesel hybrid E-Class Mercedes had a range of 1200km when new.
Imagine the same idea with current battery and emissions tech, Euro 6 diesel engines are nearly comparable to their petrol counterparts in terms of emissions not to mention how far has battery range had gone.
It's the best of both worlds with what we have on hand now if you want to maximise range.
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in a way thats true, overall theres a lot of savings. but then again this is malaysia. long traffic jams will just bleed your battery and it can get scary if you somehow manage to get low.
no lah. go try driving an EV. it doesn't "bleed" your battery unless your charge is already so low that you need to worry about the tiny fraction that it is consuming when not moving.
also regenerative braking means that you recover a large part of the energy you use in stop-go traffic. EVs consume very little in traffic, unlike ICE.
This is misinformation. I have a Tesla but not in Malaysia. Traffic jam is the perfect time to have an EV as it is calm with no engine noise and doesn't burn petrol the same as petrol cars. Charging is fast in regular Tesla superchargers (mind you, even other non-Tesla cars only require no more than 1 hr top up), usually need no more 20 mins to top up to get up 80% in superchargers. I usually don't comment but it kills me to see all these misinformations online about EV. I can drive 300 miles with full charge with heat/ac running. I just charge at home overnight to get full charge with a regular plug (same as Malaysian voltage).
I can understand why Malaysia is so slow at adopting EV as your government is heavily subsidising petrol (is this still true?). I spent a few years in Malaysia and really love the country, so always cheering for good things to happen there.
P.S. If I lived in Malaysia right now right now, I don't think I would buy an EV either cause of the cost and lack of supercharger availability and it is much cheaper buying a regular patrol car. But I would in the future cause after driving a couple of EV, this would be first choice. But if I were a super rich Malaysian rolling in dough with my own garage/driveway, I would get one over those luxury cars - even though Musk still sucks.
> long traffic jams will just bleed your battery
You should just stop there, you sound dumber as you go.
EVs are more efficient in traffic jams, the only thing running in jams are most probably the airconds, not kidding. They have gearing suited better for 0-50kmh, they just suck at highway due to lower torque at high gears.
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Agreed about people parking in the recharge spots. I'm not sure Malaysians are civic-minded enough for that to work.
All the other parts are non issues really though.
using EVs requires a mindset shift. you charge the car when you are not using it. so the fact that it takes "forever" is irrelevant (<2 hrs ultra fast charge is not "forever" btw). Also you don't need to charge to full like you are topping up to full tank. to charge a battery from 0-80% is much faster than to charge from 80-100%.
Also EVs consume very little power when you are stuck in a jam because you are not moving. Only the power required for the AC, ICE and electronics, which is a TINY fraction of the power consumption.
Thats true, tho if youre always on the go you have to plan your trip in advance based on availability of charging stations. If youre a always late behind schedules like me, filling full tank petrol tho more costly, takes less time.
But if talking about just using it around your area and always charging overnight then yeah evs are efficient
ya so it means the current way things are is not suitable for your lifestyle. Hydrogen EVs would probably make more sense in your case
you can also go long distance every day, so long as you can charge it overnight at your destination, or you can go and return on a single charge.
EV car depreciation even worse than continentals. I don't think EV buyers will complain much since they bought in knowing the depreciation is worse (hopefully la)
I do like them but not going to sacrifice a chunk of my retirement fund for it.
My Evoque was 350k, I sold it in Dec 23 for 90k 8 years later for a Tesla for 230k. Even if I give away my Tesla for free 8 years later, the Evoque still lose more money.
I go by similar performance, not similar price. For the performance of LR Model 3, the closest will be the C43 AMG or the M340i, both are close to 400k. By getting the Model 3, I "save" almost 200k before depreciation even kicks in.
Ah if consider performance EV definitely wins in most cases since their torque curve can't be matched by most ICE cars.
But depreciation (at least for cars that don't have a cult following) pretty much is set percentage.
Compare brand new Taycan price to a used one now. You can buy a 2020 Taycan 4S for 400k.
EV is 'new' tech. The only way to sell EV was to hype it up like crazy, which Tesla successfully did for the world. Because of that, we saw infrastructure and technology development for EVs, but at the end of the day it's still new.
Battery replacements are expensive, maintenance and parts can only be done by the brand itself 99% of the time. It needs time for people and companies and the government to adapt and find a balance. ICE cars already had decades to learn from.
Don't act surprised by news like this and don't be fooled by bullshit coming from both sides. It needs time to develop and mature.
Edit: Ok please ignore my Taycan comparison that was so low effort. Sorry guys lol
Resell value for luxury cars always shit. How many people can afford a 400k second hand car? That's like less than 10% of Malaysian population I believe. And if I can afford 400k second hand car why not buy 400k new car?
Theres a diffrence. Taycan V2 just launched, its faster, lighter, more battery, more tech, faster charging, more range. Its not suprising RV has dropped for V1. Also any car u see at 400k in malaysia, i bet 99% its jap recon on Chadamo, which is not compatible with the charging network here, so the dealers are throwing price to get rid of them
The Model 3 and Model Y has barely started deliveries here and 8k drop already
no biggie...just didnt like the taycan example. i think it will take at least 2-3 years to get true EV resale...its very complicated because have to take into account tax as well....Gov might revoke the tax exemption after 2025...who knows.
Can someone just make a situation where buying an EV is justified?
Other than early adopters or trying out new toys, I'm not sold on the fact that it's just an EV being a selling point. Need more than that to convince me especially when we are so embedded with the use of gas in our cars.
> Can someone just make a situation where buying an EV is justified?
Simple, own a house, a real house, then install some chargers so one can plug it in every night. It's cheaper than petrol this way.
1) 110% tax savings....imagine saving 220k on a 200k car.
2) Own landed with charger, you never have to go petrol station ever again...everyday come home, plug in like phone
3) highest electricity rate is 57kwh, i save over rm400-500 per month vs ICE....will save even more when the ron95 subsidy is removed this year
it cost alot less...theres nothing to maintain...no engine oil, no air filters, no spark plugs, no injectors, no fan belts, no timing belt. Brake pads/rotors last 3x longer because of regen braking
The only thing more expensive is tires, tend to wear out faster cos EV heavier.
Don't need to be a hater to say that EVs are not practical at the moment and people who jump on it will definitely be losing money.
The technology quite literally just isn't there yet.
oh god that dude has at least some thoughts unlike you 🙃 your hate for Chinese people is real bro even cars are subjected to your hate. Someone needs to go outside more get fresh air and sunlight.
lol. nowhere have i ever been a BYD defender...he just has a funny beef and chip on shoulder. Maybe because i refuse to interact with anyone that insults and calls ppl names on reddit.
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Nice, now it's just RM8k less of what I still can't afford!  People who can buy them can afford it even with an RM8k increase — first adopters tend to be the moneyed group whom aren't going to bat an eye at a minor price change like that.
How is buying a decade old car model first adoption? I’m more concerned for byd buyers tbh.
BYD hasn't made any cars that get bricked after going through a car wash.
just cars that spontaneously burst into flames.
Yet they are one who keep asking for free gifts from the SA. Especially the wife lol.
Tesla only for the rich test drive car ... Though my Taman itself already got 3 owner
A bit long-winded way to tell you're rich as well
yea only for collection lol
180k considered rich car? Lmao
it's like 181k to 200k+ not 1.8m to 2m. that's not rich. the rich have more car problems than the average person. got time walk into super car workshops. you'll find out how much teething problems the new models have. even your beloved M cars from reliable BMW has so many issues. the rich don't bitch, they get on with life
My area also got alot. Alot of rich people.
Don't forget we got another proud ass tesla owner here. If you go down you'll know who.
What is it with all these discounts? BYD offered a RM20k discount. EV sales drop? [https://paultan.org/2024/03/07/my2023-byd-atto-3-now-offered-with-rm20k-discount-in-malaysia-standard-range-starts-from-rm129800/](https://paultan.org/2024/03/07/my2023-byd-atto-3-now-offered-with-rm20k-discount-in-malaysia-standard-range-starts-from-rm129800/)
Price war in case katak bawah tempurung. It's a global thing.
Demand has plateaued and competition is stiffening. In Europe and US, people are moving back to ice cars as the advertised ranges on electric cars are very far from real figures. Ford has already announced it's electric car division alone has lost more than USD1 billion.
US and Europe EVs just suck ass nowadays (besides few of course). Batteries should be getting cheaper and better but they don't update their cars, citing rising costs and supply chains issue. So they be selling the Mach-E like it's still 2019, when the MG4X is better than that car now with modern tech. Ford has lost billions of money since they started selling EVs, it's not even news. It's been known for awhile now.
Was Toyota right all along? [https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/why-hybrid-sales-surge-as-ev-sales-flatten.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/04/why-hybrid-sales-surge-as-ev-sales-flatten.html)
Pretty much. Hybrids are more practical until battery tech gets better and Toyota are working on their solid-state drive batteries, which can also be recycled easier as they don't use as much lithium, cobalt and nickel, compared to current lithium-based solutions. Also, many EVs (including Tesla) are suffering from quality issues, like the Cybertruck and [Xiaomi's Porsche ripoff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alWRUz_wgNA). So buyers are sticking to legacy car makers like Toyota who are known for reliability and longterm value. Thus the record sales for Toyota in 2023.
that's what the media is wanting people to believe. legacy automakers can't make a profit on EV cars, so they changed their tone. no point spending billions into R&D and end up selling millions of cars they can't profit on. Tesla and the other chinese EV makers are responsible for other car makers loss in EV sales. they dropped their prices - to price out the competition. or in other words kill them off.
yeah tesla is cutting price GLOBALLY to combat their low sales - it’s a war among the giants
yes and no. battery prices tanked because other car makers in the US aren't buying the battery packs. Tesla and chinese EV makers can get them much cheaper now. so they can pass savings to their customers should they want. given Tesla's transparent pricing to consumers, it would be more apparent. for the older style dealership type that will be a bit slower.
Probably market doing its thing. Decrease price because demand is lower than the initial hype
Ora Good Cat another China brand gave RM20,000 discount. [https://www.carsifu.my/news/ora-good-cat-promotion-up-to-rm20k-rebate-free-wall-charger](https://www.carsifu.my/news/ora-good-cat-promotion-up-to-rm20k-rebate-free-wall-charger) Buyers who bought at the original price would have been pissed 
This is BYD clearing 2023 Atto3 stocks
Values of EVs are going down faster than a $2 304 at a red light district. Many car dealers overseas won’t even accept an EV trade-in if you’re buying a new or used car.
Maybe Elon needs Tesla sales for his Twitter buy out?
BYD cars are inferior. No surprise their cars only sell well in China.
Yelaaaa tesla kau jela terpaling EV. 🤡
EV itself is lame asf but paying for Tesla is just overpaying for a BYD haha
Tesla? As in the ones with gigantic panel gaps and a truck that can't go through a car wash?
Sabar la bro. Now, EV kat Malaysia all kereta. Soon Malaysia ada EV untuk rempits la. Motor soon la.
with all the BYD discounts, tesla model y is still world best selling car for year 2023 for reasons.
2023 is the year BYD push for global sales, although abit slower as other brands already set foot. Watch 2024, it's gonna be a ride.
Tesla still havent unleash their FSD yet. While BYD is not developing any sort of FSD. When car can drive by itself, who is going to buy cars that doesnt. Is like smart phone and dumb phone comparison.
They've been promising FSD for years now. No thanks. I prefer driving my shitbox.
Doesnt matter, it's going to be solved one day. Nobody is going to stop you from using a mechanical watch even though digital watch that provide better value and accuracy already invented. However, adoption will definitely lean towards the one that give better values. Just pure logic.
Sure! It will be solved one day. But this is from a company that's guaranteed it will be finalised in 2017. And then in 2020. Hardly reliable. Other companies will reach actual self driving before Tesla.
lets see and revisit this buddy
>Tesla still havent unleash their FSD yet. Keep waiting. Considering how good tesla is in keeping their promise. It's probably 10 year more to reach Malaysia. By then their current car lineup would be incompatible. Actual good fsd need tons of sensors that tesla cut down to save cost. BTW, Fsd would blame the driver if any accident happen. They don't want to deal with legal liability. >who is going to buy cars that doesnt. Everyone else thats not rich or thinking that paying for a car loan and car subscription is not financially smart.
> Tesla still havent unleash their FSD yet Don't fall for this, it will be like Star Citizen all over again.
Did you read news in the last few days? China already pursuing FSD from Tesla.
I read it's the other way around, Tesla is seeking help from Chinese brands as an urgent call to fully materialize FSD. Made sense because FSD will never get approved in the US anymore over that single accident, China is willing to take the risk.
Still can't afford it.
EVs are the future. It is just that buying it now is too early lol
EV: take "forever" to charge. if stuck in jam u GG. recharge spots not too regulated. some fuckers park at the recharge spots. if used correctly might need to lineup to recharge. also some recharge spots got vandalized. EV? its pretty cool but we re not ready as a country to adopt it yet.
Everywhere is not ready for it to be honest....
I've been to UK, France and Japan. They seemed to fully embraced the EV shift and I see the charging hubs everywhere. Thing is, the market isn't dominated by tesla, i see a lot of other brands that is fully electrical too idk what are the brands tho.
I feel like it's only good for city driving where you don't go long distance and if you got the charging station at home you can just leave it overnight to charge.
once EV chargers are everywhere it wont be an issue. Going long distance isnt the problem. Modern EV cars have plenty of range. Enough to drive from Singapore to bukit kayu hitam in one go. As long as you can recharge before you come back that is.
Yeah of course, at the moment the infrastructure just isn't there yet.
The range is 500km give or take. Your ICE vehicle have longer range? Petrol stations have chargers nowadays. This whole not suitable for long distance driving narrative has to die.
>The range is 500km give or take. Your ICE vehicle have longer range? ICE no need to have 500km range la bro. Just stop at the petrol station and fill up for 3 minutes. Plus, range anxiety is a thing in EV. I can get why people are still hesitate to adapt to full EV. IMO, PHEV make more sense nowadays.
How often do you drive more than 500km in one go though?
Personally, I never drove more than 300km in one trip. But, most people can only afford 1 car, and they will use that same car to balik kampung, go berkelah with family at kampung, go visit other relatives and all. To me, I just don't want to think or to plan how to charge my car while I'm vacationing. Which is why I'd rather have PHEV car. Its okay la to have 10-20km battery only range, still can go full electric when going to local Aeon or Lotus.
It doesn’t happen often, but you want to be damn sure you won’t get stuck due to running out of range, even one time is too much
I think the point is that no one really drives that far without stopping... when you can charge it
Well in jb there aren't many charging stations. Advertised range isn't the range you get, I guess it also depends on driving style. My friend got the iX and from jb to seremban his battery finished, he had to wait 40 odd minutes to continue his journey. While a ICE car would take less than 5 minutes to refuel. Tesla and byd might have better range though.
Never happened to me or my friends. 300km journey should be no problem.
Personal anecdotes are not data.
Beats those who never drove one but claims to have and keep spewing wrong info
My diesel car has enough capacity for 1000 km.
The older diesel hybrid E-Class Mercedes had a range of 1200km when new. Imagine the same idea with current battery and emissions tech, Euro 6 diesel engines are nearly comparable to their petrol counterparts in terms of emissions not to mention how far has battery range had gone. It's the best of both worlds with what we have on hand now if you want to maximise range.
Yeah I’ve heard great stuff about diesel cars, maybe they’ll be more popular when the subsidies get cut?
That 500 is probably more like >400km if u drive it like a normal gas car.. need to be really mindful of speed and acceleration
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It'll die when the infrastructure improves.
Yes it’s 550km, but I can refill in 1 minute pretty much everywhere
Why not charge at home like your smartphone every night? Where you going 300km everyday to run out of battery everytime you go back home?
exactly. there is a lot of mindset shift thats needed when switching from an ICE vehicle to an EV
in a way thats true, overall theres a lot of savings. but then again this is malaysia. long traffic jams will just bleed your battery and it can get scary if you somehow manage to get low.
no lah. go try driving an EV. it doesn't "bleed" your battery unless your charge is already so low that you need to worry about the tiny fraction that it is consuming when not moving. also regenerative braking means that you recover a large part of the energy you use in stop-go traffic. EVs consume very little in traffic, unlike ICE.
The regen is amazing. With the regen braking too, I only drive with one foot, and seldom use the brake. It makes anyone a smoother driver.
This is misinformation. I have a Tesla but not in Malaysia. Traffic jam is the perfect time to have an EV as it is calm with no engine noise and doesn't burn petrol the same as petrol cars. Charging is fast in regular Tesla superchargers (mind you, even other non-Tesla cars only require no more than 1 hr top up), usually need no more 20 mins to top up to get up 80% in superchargers. I usually don't comment but it kills me to see all these misinformations online about EV. I can drive 300 miles with full charge with heat/ac running. I just charge at home overnight to get full charge with a regular plug (same as Malaysian voltage). I can understand why Malaysia is so slow at adopting EV as your government is heavily subsidising petrol (is this still true?). I spent a few years in Malaysia and really love the country, so always cheering for good things to happen there. P.S. If I lived in Malaysia right now right now, I don't think I would buy an EV either cause of the cost and lack of supercharger availability and it is much cheaper buying a regular patrol car. But I would in the future cause after driving a couple of EV, this would be first choice. But if I were a super rich Malaysian rolling in dough with my own garage/driveway, I would get one over those luxury cars - even though Musk still sucks.
> long traffic jams will just bleed your battery You should just stop there, you sound dumber as you go. EVs are more efficient in traffic jams, the only thing running in jams are most probably the airconds, not kidding. They have gearing suited better for 0-50kmh, they just suck at highway due to lower torque at high gears.
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Dude EVs don't work like ICE cars. Your battery power does not drain as much as ICE's petrol would when on idle.
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EVs are more efficient in long jams vs ICE. because ICE still has to idle and burn petrol in a jam, EVs just run the AC/audio....the bleed is very low
Agreed about people parking in the recharge spots. I'm not sure Malaysians are civic-minded enough for that to work. All the other parts are non issues really though.
We'll be ready when Geeton, Perutdua are ready
using EVs requires a mindset shift. you charge the car when you are not using it. so the fact that it takes "forever" is irrelevant (<2 hrs ultra fast charge is not "forever" btw). Also you don't need to charge to full like you are topping up to full tank. to charge a battery from 0-80% is much faster than to charge from 80-100%. Also EVs consume very little power when you are stuck in a jam because you are not moving. Only the power required for the AC, ICE and electronics, which is a TINY fraction of the power consumption.
Thats true, tho if youre always on the go you have to plan your trip in advance based on availability of charging stations. If youre a always late behind schedules like me, filling full tank petrol tho more costly, takes less time. But if talking about just using it around your area and always charging overnight then yeah evs are efficient
ya so it means the current way things are is not suitable for your lifestyle. Hydrogen EVs would probably make more sense in your case you can also go long distance every day, so long as you can charge it overnight at your destination, or you can go and return on a single charge.
The people who bought one at the old price must be pleased /s
EV car depreciation even worse than continentals. I don't think EV buyers will complain much since they bought in knowing the depreciation is worse (hopefully la) I do like them but not going to sacrifice a chunk of my retirement fund for it.
My Evoque was 350k, I sold it in Dec 23 for 90k 8 years later for a Tesla for 230k. Even if I give away my Tesla for free 8 years later, the Evoque still lose more money.
Similar price cars la please. Higher price cars of course depreciate more.
I go by similar performance, not similar price. For the performance of LR Model 3, the closest will be the C43 AMG or the M340i, both are close to 400k. By getting the Model 3, I "save" almost 200k before depreciation even kicks in.
Ah if consider performance EV definitely wins in most cases since their torque curve can't be matched by most ICE cars. But depreciation (at least for cars that don't have a cult following) pretty much is set percentage.
Compare brand new Taycan price to a used one now. You can buy a 2020 Taycan 4S for 400k. EV is 'new' tech. The only way to sell EV was to hype it up like crazy, which Tesla successfully did for the world. Because of that, we saw infrastructure and technology development for EVs, but at the end of the day it's still new. Battery replacements are expensive, maintenance and parts can only be done by the brand itself 99% of the time. It needs time for people and companies and the government to adapt and find a balance. ICE cars already had decades to learn from. Don't act surprised by news like this and don't be fooled by bullshit coming from both sides. It needs time to develop and mature. Edit: Ok please ignore my Taycan comparison that was so low effort. Sorry guys lol
Resell value for luxury cars always shit. How many people can afford a 400k second hand car? That's like less than 10% of Malaysian population I believe. And if I can afford 400k second hand car why not buy 400k new car?
Theres a diffrence. Taycan V2 just launched, its faster, lighter, more battery, more tech, faster charging, more range. Its not suprising RV has dropped for V1. Also any car u see at 400k in malaysia, i bet 99% its jap recon on Chadamo, which is not compatible with the charging network here, so the dealers are throwing price to get rid of them The Model 3 and Model Y has barely started deliveries here and 8k drop already
That's true. Was a very shallow take using the Taycan as an example, left out a lot of the details you mentioned.
no biggie...just didnt like the taycan example. i think it will take at least 2-3 years to get true EV resale...its very complicated because have to take into account tax as well....Gov might revoke the tax exemption after 2025...who knows.
Taycan first gen had horrible reliability, it was too complicated. Porsche only built it with what tech they had at the time.
Cue entire thread of jealous people saying there's not enough chargers in Malaysia... GO!
Thank you sir for the discount I didn't know I needed. Now, for the other RM 181k... Hmm which bank yah 🤣
My networth in one car
I thought model y was suppose to be the cheaper one???
Not practical for an Ev in malaysia.
Thanks, Tesla. Even with 80k discount, I am still poor to own one. Will buy a tesla if kana jackpot 😀
Can someone just make a situation where buying an EV is justified? Other than early adopters or trying out new toys, I'm not sold on the fact that it's just an EV being a selling point. Need more than that to convince me especially when we are so embedded with the use of gas in our cars.
> Can someone just make a situation where buying an EV is justified? Simple, own a house, a real house, then install some chargers so one can plug it in every night. It's cheaper than petrol this way.
Hmm, how much cheaper do you mean?
Between rm5-10 for a full charge a night, depending on tariff rates. Or practically free if have solar panels.
1) 110% tax savings....imagine saving 220k on a 200k car. 2) Own landed with charger, you never have to go petrol station ever again...everyday come home, plug in like phone 3) highest electricity rate is 57kwh, i save over rm400-500 per month vs ICE....will save even more when the ron95 subsidy is removed this year
Some good points there, hmm what about the car itself? Like maintenance or whatsoever does that cost about the same normally or
it cost alot less...theres nothing to maintain...no engine oil, no air filters, no spark plugs, no injectors, no fan belts, no timing belt. Brake pads/rotors last 3x longer because of regen braking The only thing more expensive is tires, tend to wear out faster cos EV heavier.
first adopters got musked....
resell values just got cut by 8k 🙃
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Don't need to be a hater to say that EVs are not practical at the moment and people who jump on it will definitely be losing money. The technology quite literally just isn't there yet.
Oh god, a Tesla defender has shown up while waiting for their Tesla to charge.
Oh god, a nobody has shown up to air his unwanted thoughts.
oh god that dude has at least some thoughts unlike you 🙃 your hate for Chinese people is real bro even cars are subjected to your hate. Someone needs to go outside more get fresh air and sunlight.
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he has a tesla and just lost 8k....calling everyone a hater.
beats being a BYD fanboy and bursa investor anytime. 🙂
Who mentioned BYD?
he is a well known BYD fanboy
Well, now you're a well known Tesla defender, so go ahead and duke it out with him.
lol. nowhere have i ever been a BYD defender...he just has a funny beef and chip on shoulder. Maybe because i refuse to interact with anyone that insults and calls ppl names on reddit.
Nothing to duke it out considering BYD is inferior and he is a boomer.
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That’s true. On the other hand I bought TSLA stock early this year since I have not enough money for the car….. Now my down payment all gone 💎🙌
Well, I guess buying at ATH is a bad move? 😂
Tesla reeling in the price war, they are losing sales.
Are they bringing in the Cybertruck? Those things should be given free.
Bring the cybertruck here
And send it to a carwash
No need lah, with our rain the thing won't last a month
People are ditching ev becos of many technical problems. Buying ev is a big financial liability
Can you elaborate on these technical problems? All my friends with them (which, granted is only like four people) love them
I heard the maintenance is very low
yeah 😅. coz there's not a lot of moving parts compared to ICE. But need to do a full battery swap once every few years though...
Once every 10-15* years actually. China is pushing for 15 years battery warranty now.
and isn't buying a second-hand Myvi more environmentally friendly than buying a brand new EV fresh out of the factory?
And buying a scooter is more environmentally friendly than a Myvi
what does that have to do with anything? walking is more environmentally friendly...buying a EV here is because its tax free and cheap compared to ICE