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they are adapting the novel the way it unfolded, they are not milking it, they are basing their work on the novel, for once we have a decent novel adaptation but you guys complain about it because you did not read the novel.
And don't get me wrong milking story is a plague in the industry it really is but for return of mount hua the pace and everything included is just as the novel was written, they are loyal to the original work if you can't understand that, i can't do anything for you.
Read the novel and see for yourself if i'm lying.
Edit : i saw a bunch of people coming out with the different "mediums" argument, which is complete bullsh\*t, you guys are the same people that would complain when your favorite mangas has an anime adaptation that cuts out a lot of stuff from the source and we don't hear you using the "medium" argument in those case, you just get mad and sh\*t on the studios responsible for it (which is totally understandable tbf).
Here it's the same it's just that instead of cutting out a lot of stuff like most animation studios do with mangas, here this studio decided to respect the original source which is the novel and include everything! i hope they won't ever listen to your bullsh\*t and keep doing an amazing work.
btw if you hate the pace so much you can wait for more chapters to come out.
Yup they are being loyal to the source material. They are here for the long run, and not a simple cash grab. The manhwa would prolly take multiple decades to finish the novel tho. People should really read the novel
No worries mate!
Skydemonorder has the best translation. There are currently around 600 chaps with 5 chaps being translated per week.
I think the manhwa is around 120-130 chap, not that sure
Hi sorry to disturb this post after a month. What is the equivalent chapter in the LN for chapter 111 of the manhwa? Thanks a lot for the help 😃
Edit: I didn't properly read the next few comments and figures it would be around the 167 chapter of the LN.
Double confirmed: 111 manhwa = 167 LN
I think it feels like they’re milking it because the chapter lengths are much shorter than they were before and at the end of each chapter it’s pretty much a “is that it?” Feeling
Seeing their comments when season 1 ended, I won't complain. There's a epidemic of overworked artists in these manwha studios trying to achieve for hundreds of chapters the weekly quota and they aren't an exception. Hopefully the shorter chapters were due a team discussion instead of some tragedy
Seriously, I think nobody would be calling them out if last chapter had ended with the cave collapsing. The chapter BEFORE that one should have ended with the final clash between MC and the Wudang guy. It's just really spotty editing all around, and it makes these chapters drag.
I like it and I don't have any problems with pacing but the idea that adapting the novel 1:1 is inherently good is just wrong. A novel, anime, and manhwa are very different methods of storytelling and require different ways of expressing and pacing the story. This also assumes that the novel being adapted had good pacing to begin with.
i have seen more stuff going wrong when straying away from the source material than when following it.
u are correct in saying that a novel and a manhwa are different in how they tell a story, but its not like they just copied every sentence of the novel and then made pictures around pages of text. so its not a 1:1 adaptation.
furthermore i like the pacing, if its too slow people can read a trashhua or "hunter, big PP, skeleton arise" stuff.
You have to understand that novels and manhwas are entirely two different mediums. The written medium allows the writer to engagingly describe and present a world they want the reader to experience. On the other hand, Manhwas are dime a dozen and 20 pages of climbing a rock does not imaginatively engage any person. Moreover, the novels were released 2-3 times per week as opposed to the manhwa schedule.
And I have had no issues with the pacing. It’s a slower arc, that’s ok. There are arcs that go by in the blink of an eye and arcs that seem to take years yet they only lasted months. The reality for Mount Hua though is that this is the arc it is coming back with. We are a ways since the hiatus was over but there hasn’t been anything as exciting as what we had pre-timeskip. Im a community economist and my new working theory is that peoples perception of reality is not based on the time we live in, it’s based on the previous two years. For most the previous two years for Mount Hua were either a large amount of action or hiatus, meaning for those that were looking for the manwha they fell in love with years ago aren’t quite finding it today. Doesn’t mean it wont return to that glory and I definitely have faith that it will (like I said I actually enjoy this arc), but I do think people are justified for the dissatisfaction right now.
I'm wondering how they will adapt the arcs during and after the north ice palace as it gets beyond bloody and violent and so far this manhwa hasn't had much of that for the last 100 chapters so not sure how people will react once MC takes off the kids gloves.
True but i don't think many of manhwa fans will stick to a series for a decade when there is same story adapted from a similar novel out there (atleast that's what i get from the manhwa fans that i have interacted with not saying that nobody will follow the series but most wouldn't because at one point it would get behind the times and the trend one piece is a pretty unique story there aren't any like that out there but stories like return of the mount hua sect aren't that unique not saying that it's bad but it isn't unique)
Are you talking about paying customers or people that consume these works for free on some scan site?
I doubt the people that actually invest into this story won't stick with it, unless it somehow changes its tone or drops in quality.
Most people that complain constantly, don't seem to pay for the manwha they're reading and only want the quick dopamine.
I wish I could upvote you more. I don't have any particular negative feelings towards scanlators but it bothers me that this sub really likes to promote pirating sites over the official ones.
>it bothers me that this sub really likes to promote pirating sites over the official ones.
That's because the official sources charge way too much money (often on a per-chapter basis as well) and are severely underpaying the authors and artists for overworking themselves on terrible schedules that the official sources won't fix.
Piracy is a service issue, if your service is anti-consumer people will do anything to avoid using your service.
Ah the old gabe newell fallacy.
People are greedy. If someone has the same 2 options and 1 is free the majority of people will choose the free option, since it results in the best outcome for them.
It all comes down to integrity and value people find important. Some people don't want to lose self-respect over a couple bucks and have that shame brooding over them all because they wanted to cheat the system and literally steal to save some chump change. Actions have consequences. Actions that don't have direct consequences like getting fined, jailed, etc, have indirect consequences like the ones I mentioned above.
Thats a poor comparison, considering that Netflix doesnt charge you per movie, meaning that when decision making about watching a specific movie on netflix vs a specific movie pirated both are free, not to mention that netflix comes with faster download times, better quality and less risk compared to pirating meaning that its not an equivalent product/service.
"and are severely underpaying the authors and artists for overworking themselves on terrible schedules that the official sources won't fix."
I like how you have to throw that in there when we all know the reason you pirate is everything to do with not wanting to pay.
Otherwise! You'd be very idiotic to say something like that going off of the premise that your pretentiousness of caring for the aruthors/artists by pirating their work (if that even makes sense lol) hurts them even more.
Do you think living honestly within the boundary of reasonable ethics and conscience is scamming oneself? Maybe there is no point in discussing complicated matters with someone whose username is u/Stupidest_Retard
Even that's the majority, it's doesn't change shit.
I mean, it's not like the studio changing or increase the pace gonna make the customer (viewer) use official source that bring them the money.
True but do you think the majority(even people who use money) will be able to keep up with the series when there are similar stories out there like i said at 1 point it will get behind times ofc there would still be many people reading it my point is that many people wouldn't
I mean the only reason one piece is still popular until now is because of newer viewers enjoying how long do you think this trope of mc dies ,goes back/ahead in time, is op asf because of his knowledge will last to me i don't it will last long enough after a few years i don't think there would many newer viewers willing to read this
Where have you seen another story like one piece? There are many similar to return of the mount hua sect like there are many with similar elements cultivation, time traveling, mc is op asf etc
Where else can you find a huge expansive story spanning over 27 years with some of the best world building out of any fiction still ongoing right now? You can point at basic similarities sure, but you’re just oversimplifying the story to fit your narrative. There really isn’t many stories that have stayed this good for this long.
Well, this manhwa will be enjoyed by the next generation ig
Thinking of this, omg those young kids who will start reading manhwas like 10 years in future will be so lucky 😭,the amount of things they would be able to binge read..damn I'm jealous now.
This novel has more than 1100 chapters and they haven't reached 200 yet, if I'm not mistaken, these arcs were slower but it will get better soon, and the studio isn't extending it or anything like that
The novel and manhwa are very good, some of the initial arcs are a bit slow but then the pace becomes much better and so does the story and the novel is still being released and is not close to the end
I read really far into the novel during the season break of this and the studio is actually adapting the novel quite accurately on this arc I also felt this arc was quite slow while reading it even for some of the upcoming arcs its quite slow
The studio is doing nothing wrong by being faithful to the source material I would rather have a longer arc rather than having bad pacing and rushed though its true that many series suffer from studios milking the story but for this one its not the case
So many manhwa readers can't bear to read more than 2-3 chapters of just conversations, their brain is so rotted with action and blood every chapter, that anything else just seems like the author is milking the series. Like seriously, read some Chinese novels if you don't want to turn your brain on, and just want action 24/7.
I was reading something I can't remember, but it def struck me as weird when one singular conversation took like 5 chapters. I'd think it just as weird if a single fight took 5 chapters.
I can understand that, in 'Return of the max level hero' there is a lot of unnecessary dialogue which is nowhere relevant to the story, just banter. But in this most of the conversations are relevant to what is happening in the story, only few portions which are not related are when they try to be funny with the other disciples etc. which is also shown a lot in the ln.
I have to assume many of them are just young, so maybe they'll appreciate other types of stories once they're a little older? Otherwise idk. Though if the paying Korean fans don't have an issue with the pacing, then it will stay the same until it ends.
Their brain breaks when we get a chapter about side characters getting development and it's not 100% screen time for the MC. If you read things like tog, hclw and GOH the moment the MC wasn't on screen (as part of the plot btw) brain-dead fans were raging in the comments
You’re worrying about the wrong thing, they are sticking to the source material.
If anything I wish they sometimes release 2 chapters at once (like barbarian quest) coz each chapter ends in a cliffhanger.
The studio has done a fantastic job adapting the material until the current arc. I would give leeway to the studio this time, because the arc was slow in the novel. I do encourage people to read the novel. It's funny and beautiful as the manhwa. There are so many amazing arcs left to be adapted.
The pacing IS WAYY TOO SLOW. It''s the same in the novel. Last chapter could've been just 3 lines next chapter and we wouldn't have missed anything important. Hopefully they increase the pacing in the novel and skip some useless stuff.
People nowadays really have no patience ah.....
The pacing is great tho, the fight are great....
Unlike the other series where fights ends in 1-2 chapters...
Plus, pacing like this is best one to re read in the future.
Quality over quantity. This is the only manhwa that gets me super hyped when a new chapter comes out. Sure, the chapter will probably take 1 minute to read but i know fora fact that the quality of the chapter will always be amazing.
As a not original work reader for me is Perfection
And sincerely I think most of people here isn't a original reader so it doesn't care while it's funny as hell
I saw The Greatest Estate Developer is so far way for what happens in original work but everyone prefers the adaptation and the original author is perfectly happy about it
Why? Because it's funny as hell so the original work is just a base (a super solid base) for this wholesome adaptation
So yeah the studios know what they are doing 👍🏿
The novel and the manhua feels 1:1 to me personally. I read the novel and even the manhua, and I honestly couldn’t even find a difference in the dialogues. Its great imo.
It's ironic you're using Mount Hua for an example when the studio is actually adapting like two chapters of the novel for every manhwa chapter, the novel has great writing but the pacing is very intentionally slowly paced so you can connect with the characters and situation more, the manhwa adapts those moments written in the novel visually and thus can fit about two chapters, why would you use return of Mount hua if you probably haven't read the novel arcs?
So? That doesn't change that the way the studio is adapting the Novel doesn't work very well. Novels and Manhwas are inherently different story telling mediums, and telling them the exact same way doesn't work.
If you're so upset about how the studio is adapting the novel into manhwa, do it yourself I guess?
See if you can do it better than a team that knows what they're doing.
Just because to you personally "it doesn't work" doesn't mean it doesn't work... It's the same thing on many novel adaptations.
So either drop it or wait like normal people do.
What a stupid response lmao. I don't need to be able to write a better story to criticize it dumbass.
That's just a fallacy, just because they are the professionals, doesn't mean they can't make mistakes.
This isn't my opinion, the pacing is objectively bad. You can defend the series all you want, but the pacing is just straight up bad. I love the series as well, but I can atleast admit when the story has flaws.
Like I said do it yourself.
You can talk and complain all you want about the pacing and the story in the manhwa but it will be the same.
You aren't on the team. You're here on reddit.
Call the response stupid but it's all gonna be the same either you do it yourself or stick with what everyone has.
You just end up sounding entitled. I bet you read the novel and the manhwa for free like everyone else.
Like I said, that's a stupid response.
...Okay? What is even your point here? I'm not trying to change it, I'm just criticizing the story.
What are you talking about? The platform I'm on doesn't matter lmao. I am a fan, no matter how much you deny it. So don't try to use that to discredit my criticism
When did I ever say I was gonna change it? Your reading comprehension is astronomically low.
How am I entitled? Sounds like you just can't handle people disliking aspects of your favourite series. And so what if I read it for free? Am I unable to criticize it now? Be real.
And like I said, Do it yourself. =^)
I know it's my favorite series. Thanks for reminding me btw.
I never denied that you were a fan I have said it that you just have to accept that it's how the team has decided to go with the pacing which is great!
Idk why "do it yourself" seems like a trigger for you lol. Never liked doing things yourself? :)
Lol the copium on this ppl on "let them cook". It's so obvious you guys didn't read more manwha's or murim manwha's. I don't mind the dialogue chapters or whatever but the gal of almost 80% of this manwha ends on a fking cliffhanger with no reason is just dumb.
They're adapting the novel faithfully to a fault, even reading the novel this arc wasn't good imo. The chapters don't feel satisfying to read in either medium
Many people are saying that they are following the novel's pace but if they truly follow the novels pace then the series will go on for a decade we are roughly done with 1/9th of the series so counting the long season breaks it will easily take a decade if we consider some unfortunate,unexpected problems that might arise then maybe even more than that sometimes you need to adjust the pace another problem with the manhwa is that we get 1 ch a week (don't get me wrong i completely understand that that's the limit) and after reading the chapter many (including me) can't help but feel like "is that it?"
As incredible as it seems, they are adapting this novel very faithfully, without extending it or anything like that. These arcs in the novel were also slower and more drawn out, it will improve in some chapters but I don't know if it will be this season
Adapting a novel faithfully isn't always the best thing, especially considering how manhwas and novels differ in story telling. They are completely different mediums, so a faithful adaptation isn't always good. And it's good they aren't extending it, but the issue is that they aren't shortening them, making it feel dragged out. I don't know why so many of you struggle with understanding this concept.
It's not that people struggle to understand the concept, but they like it that way. Why bother shortening them and left some details out if you can afford to adapt it word for word, especially when those who complain are the minority anyway.
They (mostly publisher) need to prolong the chapters, you know. We don't get 22 chapters fictional manga from bakuman in real life.(Please let me know if we really have such author and manga/manhwa IRL).
I dont see a problem in that.
This mahwa is good as fuck,the pacing is okay,i prefer works to be as long as one piece is than being a im am the sorceress king(potencial to have 300+ chapters,decide to finish it abruptly with 150 saying fuck u to fans and discard all the other plots)
I'd say the way the manhwa is unfolding rn is reasonable, as the novel has many many chapters, and to make it 'quick', they'd have to skip a bunch of important stuff.
Man I love reading this, I've read a fuck ton, but I still don't know much in terms of what's actually good/what am I wasting my time with. I love serious/supernatural/superpowers/horror. It can be jokey, but it also needs to be good so the jokes don't support the scenes lol
They are being loyal to the source material but because we only get one chapter a week, even though it is large, it feels like most weeks absolutely nothing happens. The stories that usually succeed with such faithful novel adaptations are usually manhua because they can pump out 2-3+ chapters a week to compensate for that. So it becomes less noticable to the reader.
I think that Mount Hua adaptation is very close to perfection. They don't milk the events, nor do they speed through them. Characters get enough dialogue and development, art is first-class, humor is on point - even a bit better than the novel, due to the expressive visuals.
It's hard to find an adaptation that can honestly serve as a replacement for the novel as well as this one. From others for which I've read the novel and comic, Nano Machine is the first one that comes to mind, and nothing in particular other than that.
The problem with Mount Hua is that the novel is too damn long for an adaptation. Nano Machine has 342 chapters, the adaptation has been going on for years, and it's still nowhere close to the end. Reformation of the Deadbeat Noble - 389 chapters, again, not even close. And the novel is IMHO significantly better too.
Mount Hua is 1650+ fairly long chapters, still ongoing. That's already a decently sized CN novel region. To make an adaptation of that in a reasonable timeframe, you need to release multiple chapters a week and cut out virtually anything that is not crucial to the plot. And even then it will take multiple years with no breaks.
Somebody tell me how many chapters are left in overgeared and nano machine.I wana finish them but if they aren't at least halfway done .... I can't do do it anymore.
I hate to say it, but a 1:1 adaptation is not always the answer. Novels and web-comics are very different mediums in which to present a story. What works for one does not always work for the other.
Season 1 was fantastic, A++. Season 2 brought it down to like a B-. Still good, but I read it in part because sunk cost, not enthusiasm.
I dont' think thats the case with the current arc. It was really a long chunk of text and was honestly a bit too long. All the arcs in the novel are pretty long winded, but this one especially since it has like 2-3 main points that it skims off of.
Nah man take your sweet ass time, remain faithful to the original material and take some breaks for God sake. I'm happy to wait if the cost of not waiting is someone else's health. And you know what, doing it slowly and the right way will yield far better results anyways.
... Have you even read the novel OP? Or are you just speaking out of god knows where? Mt Hua has been pretty faithful to the novel and I hope they keep it that way.
Honestly im enjoying every chaptet that is being uploaded, if you really dont want to wait every week for a new chapter, go read right ahead
Studio basically adapting to the novel and aren't changing any of the storyline
I just started reading s2 and finished latest ch yesterday. No cliffs happy life.
My only complaint would be chun myung shouldn't shine alone. S1 was bangers bc everyone from the sect shine brightly. Alone he is a bright star, together the sect are the milky way.
Are we really starting to hate studios because they adapt the novel 1:1? I've read the novel and so far I haven't noticed anything other than a few small things that deviate from the novel in the manhwa
As an avid novel reader, I feel that the manhwa is both being faithful *and* milking it a little.
The manhwa has been effectively 1:1 with the novel... but I don't think it really should be? I felt that the first season did a really good job of both staying faithful but also making sure chapters felt fulfilling and covering what was needed. Season 1 cut down on over 40 chapters and was still able to convey everything from the novel without cutting anything out. On the flip side, Season 2 has been nearly mirroring novel chapters when it should be looking to consolidate more. The manhwa *definitely* milks the plum blossom sword techniques a lot as well, cutting chapters *just before* revealing the technique. They've done it at least 3 times in the Sword Tomb, extending one novel chapter into 3 at one point (that was fucking annoying as a novel reader).
The truly unfortunate thing is that this arc is very subtly *super important* to the series in the sense of setting up the building blocks for the core of the series as a whole. The heart and building blocks of the series are in this arc. The issue is this arc was a huge slog for the novel, and it's being felt in full force with the manhwa as well. I can look back at this arc in admiration... but fuck waiting week to week for this shit a second time is brutal.
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they are adapting the novel the way it unfolded, they are not milking it, they are basing their work on the novel, for once we have a decent novel adaptation but you guys complain about it because you did not read the novel. And don't get me wrong milking story is a plague in the industry it really is but for return of mount hua the pace and everything included is just as the novel was written, they are loyal to the original work if you can't understand that, i can't do anything for you. Read the novel and see for yourself if i'm lying. Edit : i saw a bunch of people coming out with the different "mediums" argument, which is complete bullsh\*t, you guys are the same people that would complain when your favorite mangas has an anime adaptation that cuts out a lot of stuff from the source and we don't hear you using the "medium" argument in those case, you just get mad and sh\*t on the studios responsible for it (which is totally understandable tbf). Here it's the same it's just that instead of cutting out a lot of stuff like most animation studios do with mangas, here this studio decided to respect the original source which is the novel and include everything! i hope they won't ever listen to your bullsh\*t and keep doing an amazing work. btw if you hate the pace so much you can wait for more chapters to come out.
Yup they are being loyal to the source material. They are here for the long run, and not a simple cash grab. The manhwa would prolly take multiple decades to finish the novel tho. People should really read the novel
Where can I read the novel at? Sorry if this is common knowledge
No worries mate! Skydemonorder has the best translation. There are currently around 600 chaps with 5 chaps being translated per week. I think the manhwa is around 120-130 chap, not that sure
fuck ya! I’m a big fan of novels after reading OR, this is of my favorite manhwas too.
U read the novel ?
Around 400-500 chaps
yo! Theres close to a thousand+ chapters on webnovel the app or website and the translations a lil mehh but it works it works
I believe it's around 160 now. I started reading the novel a 2 months ago and it was at 150
Yea I confirmed it in another comment, it's 162-163
Hellooo. Where can i read it from? Does skymonorder have a website or app or can i read it off tachi/mihon?
Hi sorry to disturb this post after a month. What is the equivalent chapter in the LN for chapter 111 of the manhwa? Thanks a lot for the help 😃 Edit: I didn't properly read the next few comments and figures it would be around the 167 chapter of the LN. Double confirmed: 111 manhwa = 167 LN
If we compare where the current manhwa chapter is (ch 107) where would it be in the novels?
Ch 162-163
Thanks
Novel is on chapter 1723 as I type this right now and it's still not done yet. Manhwa/Anime is going to be some One Piece level of marathon haha
I think it feels like they’re milking it because the chapter lengths are much shorter than they were before and at the end of each chapter it’s pretty much a “is that it?” Feeling
Seeing their comments when season 1 ended, I won't complain. There's a epidemic of overworked artists in these manwha studios trying to achieve for hundreds of chapters the weekly quota and they aren't an exception. Hopefully the shorter chapters were due a team discussion instead of some tragedy
This. If the chapters had a better ending all would be fine.
Seriously, I think nobody would be calling them out if last chapter had ended with the cave collapsing. The chapter BEFORE that one should have ended with the final clash between MC and the Wudang guy. It's just really spotty editing all around, and it makes these chapters drag.
I like it and I don't have any problems with pacing but the idea that adapting the novel 1:1 is inherently good is just wrong. A novel, anime, and manhwa are very different methods of storytelling and require different ways of expressing and pacing the story. This also assumes that the novel being adapted had good pacing to begin with.
i have seen more stuff going wrong when straying away from the source material than when following it. u are correct in saying that a novel and a manhwa are different in how they tell a story, but its not like they just copied every sentence of the novel and then made pictures around pages of text. so its not a 1:1 adaptation. furthermore i like the pacing, if its too slow people can read a trashhua or "hunter, big PP, skeleton arise" stuff.
I love that the adaptation is so good my problem is sometimes the chapters feels short af to be left on a cliff hanger
You have to understand that novels and manhwas are entirely two different mediums. The written medium allows the writer to engagingly describe and present a world they want the reader to experience. On the other hand, Manhwas are dime a dozen and 20 pages of climbing a rock does not imaginatively engage any person. Moreover, the novels were released 2-3 times per week as opposed to the manhwa schedule.
Believe it or not when switching mediums of storytelling changes should and have to be made otherwise you get criticism like this which is justified.
It is easy to understand, but that doesn't mean it was a good choice.
I wish I could upvote more than once, we finally actually have what's almost a 1:1 adaptation and people are mad it's too slow
Correct!
And I have had no issues with the pacing. It’s a slower arc, that’s ok. There are arcs that go by in the blink of an eye and arcs that seem to take years yet they only lasted months. The reality for Mount Hua though is that this is the arc it is coming back with. We are a ways since the hiatus was over but there hasn’t been anything as exciting as what we had pre-timeskip. Im a community economist and my new working theory is that peoples perception of reality is not based on the time we live in, it’s based on the previous two years. For most the previous two years for Mount Hua were either a large amount of action or hiatus, meaning for those that were looking for the manwha they fell in love with years ago aren’t quite finding it today. Doesn’t mean it wont return to that glory and I definitely have faith that it will (like I said I actually enjoy this arc), but I do think people are justified for the dissatisfaction right now.
I'm wondering how they will adapt the arcs during and after the north ice palace as it gets beyond bloody and violent and so far this manhwa hasn't had much of that for the last 100 chapters so not sure how people will react once MC takes off the kids gloves.
Yeah around 50 chapter I was also thinking the same then I started reading the novel. And Damn it so fucking good I have not slep for 2 days
The studio isn't doing anything, it's just adapting the novel as it was written. The novel was also boring in this arc.
It's a proper, near 1:1 adaptation of the novel. It's definitely something most of us prefer over the studio rushing and skipping content instead.
It will take a decade to finish the series with the current pacing
And one piece manga has been ongoing for the last 27 years.
True but i don't think many of manhwa fans will stick to a series for a decade when there is same story adapted from a similar novel out there (atleast that's what i get from the manhwa fans that i have interacted with not saying that nobody will follow the series but most wouldn't because at one point it would get behind the times and the trend one piece is a pretty unique story there aren't any like that out there but stories like return of the mount hua sect aren't that unique not saying that it's bad but it isn't unique)
Are you talking about paying customers or people that consume these works for free on some scan site? I doubt the people that actually invest into this story won't stick with it, unless it somehow changes its tone or drops in quality. Most people that complain constantly, don't seem to pay for the manwha they're reading and only want the quick dopamine.
I wish I could upvote you more. I don't have any particular negative feelings towards scanlators but it bothers me that this sub really likes to promote pirating sites over the official ones.
>it bothers me that this sub really likes to promote pirating sites over the official ones. That's because the official sources charge way too much money (often on a per-chapter basis as well) and are severely underpaying the authors and artists for overworking themselves on terrible schedules that the official sources won't fix. Piracy is a service issue, if your service is anti-consumer people will do anything to avoid using your service.
Ah the old gabe newell fallacy. People are greedy. If someone has the same 2 options and 1 is free the majority of people will choose the free option, since it results in the best outcome for them.
It all comes down to integrity and value people find important. Some people don't want to lose self-respect over a couple bucks and have that shame brooding over them all because they wanted to cheat the system and literally steal to save some chump change. Actions have consequences. Actions that don't have direct consequences like getting fined, jailed, etc, have indirect consequences like the ones I mentioned above.
That's just not true lmao, when netflix was actually good EVERYONE was paying for it even tho pirating was piss easy
Thats a poor comparison, considering that Netflix doesnt charge you per movie, meaning that when decision making about watching a specific movie on netflix vs a specific movie pirated both are free, not to mention that netflix comes with faster download times, better quality and less risk compared to pirating meaning that its not an equivalent product/service.
"and are severely underpaying the authors and artists for overworking themselves on terrible schedules that the official sources won't fix." I like how you have to throw that in there when we all know the reason you pirate is everything to do with not wanting to pay. Otherwise! You'd be very idiotic to say something like that going off of the premise that your pretentiousness of caring for the aruthors/artists by pirating their work (if that even makes sense lol) hurts them even more.
Keep scamming yourself lol
Do you think living honestly within the boundary of reasonable ethics and conscience is scamming oneself? Maybe there is no point in discussing complicated matters with someone whose username is u/Stupidest_Retard
True but sadly that's the majority
Even that's the majority, it's doesn't change shit. I mean, it's not like the studio changing or increase the pace gonna make the customer (viewer) use official source that bring them the money.
True but do you think the majority(even people who use money) will be able to keep up with the series when there are similar stories out there like i said at 1 point it will get behind times ofc there would still be many people reading it my point is that many people wouldn't
I mean the only reason one piece is still popular until now is because of newer viewers enjoying how long do you think this trope of mc dies ,goes back/ahead in time, is op asf because of his knowledge will last to me i don't it will last long enough after a few years i don't think there would many newer viewers willing to read this
Tell me how one piece is so unique it’s very popular but there’s nothing unique about it that hasn’t been done before
Where have you seen another story like one piece? There are many similar to return of the mount hua sect like there are many with similar elements cultivation, time traveling, mc is op asf etc
A main character that goes on an adventure with a crew along the way to find some sort of artifact totally never been done before…
Name 1 story similar to it based around pirates and marines
Where else can you find a huge expansive story spanning over 27 years with some of the best world building out of any fiction still ongoing right now? You can point at basic similarities sure, but you’re just oversimplifying the story to fit your narrative. There really isn’t many stories that have stayed this good for this long.
A decade? Are u serious? It will take atleast 2-3 decades mate and I ain't complaining
How many of us do you think will even be alive to read that after 2-3 decades?
Well, this manhwa will be enjoyed by the next generation ig Thinking of this, omg those young kids who will start reading manhwas like 10 years in future will be so lucky 😭,the amount of things they would be able to binge read..damn I'm jealous now.
This kind of story is better when you binge it. The studio obviously choose this pacing with exacly that intend. They know what they are doing
To add on, just let them cook
This novel has more than 1100 chapters and they haven't reached 200 yet, if I'm not mistaken, these arcs were slower but it will get better soon, and the studio isn't extending it or anything like that
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The novel and manhwa are very good, some of the initial arcs are a bit slow but then the pace becomes much better and so does the story and the novel is still being released and is not close to the end
The novel has 1600+ chaps
It’s as close to a perfect adaptation there is. The studio isn’t adding filler or making it slow, it’s exactly as the novel is. Which I appreciate
I read really far into the novel during the season break of this and the studio is actually adapting the novel quite accurately on this arc I also felt this arc was quite slow while reading it even for some of the upcoming arcs its quite slow The studio is doing nothing wrong by being faithful to the source material I would rather have a longer arc rather than having bad pacing and rushed though its true that many series suffer from studios milking the story but for this one its not the case
So many manhwa readers can't bear to read more than 2-3 chapters of just conversations, their brain is so rotted with action and blood every chapter, that anything else just seems like the author is milking the series. Like seriously, read some Chinese novels if you don't want to turn your brain on, and just want action 24/7.
I was reading something I can't remember, but it def struck me as weird when one singular conversation took like 5 chapters. I'd think it just as weird if a single fight took 5 chapters.
I can understand that, in 'Return of the max level hero' there is a lot of unnecessary dialogue which is nowhere relevant to the story, just banter. But in this most of the conversations are relevant to what is happening in the story, only few portions which are not related are when they try to be funny with the other disciples etc. which is also shown a lot in the ln.
I have to assume many of them are just young, so maybe they'll appreciate other types of stories once they're a little older? Otherwise idk. Though if the paying Korean fans don't have an issue with the pacing, then it will stay the same until it ends.
I mean superhuman era is also much talking, def hope no one finds that boring
That’s because everyone is looking for the next solo leveling; carried by its art, edginess, and action
Their brain breaks when we get a chapter about side characters getting development and it's not 100% screen time for the MC. If you read things like tog, hclw and GOH the moment the MC wasn't on screen (as part of the plot btw) brain-dead fans were raging in the comments
I can when they're interesting, One Step For The Dark Lord is primarily talking and inner monologue this arc just isn't that interesting
This manhwas is GOAT. So let me take their time and get the story right .
Some of these idiots just want to complete arcs in 10 chapters,like what the hell they are adapting to a novel which is good, why to complain.
thats a braindead take, glad people here agree youre in the wrong
You’re worrying about the wrong thing, they are sticking to the source material. If anything I wish they sometimes release 2 chapters at once (like barbarian quest) coz each chapter ends in a cliffhanger.
The studio has done a fantastic job adapting the material until the current arc. I would give leeway to the studio this time, because the arc was slow in the novel. I do encourage people to read the novel. It's funny and beautiful as the manhwa. There are so many amazing arcs left to be adapted.
The pacing IS WAYY TOO SLOW. It''s the same in the novel. Last chapter could've been just 3 lines next chapter and we wouldn't have missed anything important. Hopefully they increase the pacing in the novel and skip some useless stuff.
People nowadays really have no patience ah..... The pacing is great tho, the fight are great.... Unlike the other series where fights ends in 1-2 chapters... Plus, pacing like this is best one to re read in the future.
Quality over quantity. This is the only manhwa that gets me super hyped when a new chapter comes out. Sure, the chapter will probably take 1 minute to read but i know fora fact that the quality of the chapter will always be amazing.
Relife player is the same. It's been 2 whole seasons and nothing is actually happening.
As a not original work reader for me is Perfection And sincerely I think most of people here isn't a original reader so it doesn't care while it's funny as hell I saw The Greatest Estate Developer is so far way for what happens in original work but everyone prefers the adaptation and the original author is perfectly happy about it Why? Because it's funny as hell so the original work is just a base (a super solid base) for this wholesome adaptation So yeah the studios know what they are doing 👍🏿
Can you not let them rest? Every masterpiece needs time.
The novel and the manhua feels 1:1 to me personally. I read the novel and even the manhua, and I honestly couldn’t even find a difference in the dialogues. Its great imo.
So story is taking its time? Like I get the frustration but I also hate it when it is rushed and sucks. Hopefully doesn't turn out like the breaker
Move and read something else? No Karma farm instead on Reddit? Yes
I think the whole 2nd season revolves around this medicine immortal cave. After that season ends and we will have to wait around 6 months or 1 year.
It's ironic you're using Mount Hua for an example when the studio is actually adapting like two chapters of the novel for every manhwa chapter, the novel has great writing but the pacing is very intentionally slowly paced so you can connect with the characters and situation more, the manhwa adapts those moments written in the novel visually and thus can fit about two chapters, why would you use return of Mount hua if you probably haven't read the novel arcs?
Cos it's how the novel is paced???
So? That doesn't change that the way the studio is adapting the Novel doesn't work very well. Novels and Manhwas are inherently different story telling mediums, and telling them the exact same way doesn't work.
If you're so upset about how the studio is adapting the novel into manhwa, do it yourself I guess? See if you can do it better than a team that knows what they're doing. Just because to you personally "it doesn't work" doesn't mean it doesn't work... It's the same thing on many novel adaptations. So either drop it or wait like normal people do.
What a stupid response lmao. I don't need to be able to write a better story to criticize it dumbass. That's just a fallacy, just because they are the professionals, doesn't mean they can't make mistakes. This isn't my opinion, the pacing is objectively bad. You can defend the series all you want, but the pacing is just straight up bad. I love the series as well, but I can atleast admit when the story has flaws.
Like I said do it yourself. You can talk and complain all you want about the pacing and the story in the manhwa but it will be the same. You aren't on the team. You're here on reddit. Call the response stupid but it's all gonna be the same either you do it yourself or stick with what everyone has. You just end up sounding entitled. I bet you read the novel and the manhwa for free like everyone else.
Like I said, that's a stupid response. ...Okay? What is even your point here? I'm not trying to change it, I'm just criticizing the story. What are you talking about? The platform I'm on doesn't matter lmao. I am a fan, no matter how much you deny it. So don't try to use that to discredit my criticism When did I ever say I was gonna change it? Your reading comprehension is astronomically low. How am I entitled? Sounds like you just can't handle people disliking aspects of your favourite series. And so what if I read it for free? Am I unable to criticize it now? Be real.
And like I said, Do it yourself. =^) I know it's my favorite series. Thanks for reminding me btw. I never denied that you were a fan I have said it that you just have to accept that it's how the team has decided to go with the pacing which is great! Idk why "do it yourself" seems like a trigger for you lol. Never liked doing things yourself? :)
Lol the copium on this ppl on "let them cook". It's so obvious you guys didn't read more manwha's or murim manwha's. I don't mind the dialogue chapters or whatever but the gal of almost 80% of this manwha ends on a fking cliffhanger with no reason is just dumb.
Yo guy I have a question...... Which manhwa is good between [ Return of Mad Demon] or [Return of Mount hua sect].......
Both are great though I prefer return of mount hua for the art and cheonmyeong
They're adapting the novel faithfully to a fault, even reading the novel this arc wasn't good imo. The chapters don't feel satisfying to read in either medium
Many people are saying that they are following the novel's pace but if they truly follow the novels pace then the series will go on for a decade we are roughly done with 1/9th of the series so counting the long season breaks it will easily take a decade if we consider some unfortunate,unexpected problems that might arise then maybe even more than that sometimes you need to adjust the pace another problem with the manhwa is that we get 1 ch a week (don't get me wrong i completely understand that that's the limit) and after reading the chapter many (including me) can't help but feel like "is that it?"
Reluctantly agree, its becoming an industry trend, if they stretch it out like this, it'll be hell when or if they adapt it into anime
Manwha source materyal has huge pacing issues
It feels that way in manhwa for sure
Pretty much yeah, though I doubt the fanboys would agree
As incredible as it seems, they are adapting this novel very faithfully, without extending it or anything like that. These arcs in the novel were also slower and more drawn out, it will improve in some chapters but I don't know if it will be this season
Adapting a novel faithfully isn't always the best thing, especially considering how manhwas and novels differ in story telling. They are completely different mediums, so a faithful adaptation isn't always good. And it's good they aren't extending it, but the issue is that they aren't shortening them, making it feel dragged out. I don't know why so many of you struggle with understanding this concept.
It's not that people struggle to understand the concept, but they like it that way. Why bother shortening them and left some details out if you can afford to adapt it word for word, especially when those who complain are the minority anyway.
I dropped it can't stand the pacing
Anyone read the novel of this one ??
They (mostly publisher) need to prolong the chapters, you know. We don't get 22 chapters fictional manga from bakuman in real life.(Please let me know if we really have such author and manga/manhwa IRL).
There's another one called 'The Tales of A Shining Sword', even a simple fight for mc would take more than 5+ chapters to finish.
I agree but haven't read the web novel so can't say for sure.
I dont see a problem in that. This mahwa is good as fuck,the pacing is okay,i prefer works to be as long as one piece is than being a im am the sorceress king(potencial to have 300+ chapters,decide to finish it abruptly with 150 saying fuck u to fans and discard all the other plots)
Fr this arc has been taking forever atp I temp dropped mount hua and am waiting for the next arc.
I'd say the way the manhwa is unfolding rn is reasonable, as the novel has many many chapters, and to make it 'quick', they'd have to skip a bunch of important stuff.
I don't know man, maybe, just maybe the true medicine immortal is the friends we made along the way.
I think the comic is really good tho
Man I love reading this, I've read a fuck ton, but I still don't know much in terms of what's actually good/what am I wasting my time with. I love serious/supernatural/superpowers/horror. It can be jokey, but it also needs to be good so the jokes don't support the scenes lol
They are being loyal to the source material but because we only get one chapter a week, even though it is large, it feels like most weeks absolutely nothing happens. The stories that usually succeed with such faithful novel adaptations are usually manhua because they can pump out 2-3+ chapters a week to compensate for that. So it becomes less noticable to the reader.
This is not a problem with this manhwa whatsoever
The studio seems to care quite a lot, so hopefully at the end of this season they listen to feedback and speed things along next time. Lets see.
I think that Mount Hua adaptation is very close to perfection. They don't milk the events, nor do they speed through them. Characters get enough dialogue and development, art is first-class, humor is on point - even a bit better than the novel, due to the expressive visuals. It's hard to find an adaptation that can honestly serve as a replacement for the novel as well as this one. From others for which I've read the novel and comic, Nano Machine is the first one that comes to mind, and nothing in particular other than that. The problem with Mount Hua is that the novel is too damn long for an adaptation. Nano Machine has 342 chapters, the adaptation has been going on for years, and it's still nowhere close to the end. Reformation of the Deadbeat Noble - 389 chapters, again, not even close. And the novel is IMHO significantly better too. Mount Hua is 1650+ fairly long chapters, still ongoing. That's already a decently sized CN novel region. To make an adaptation of that in a reasonable timeframe, you need to release multiple chapters a week and cut out virtually anything that is not crucial to the plot. And even then it will take multiple years with no breaks.
Somebody tell me how many chapters are left in overgeared and nano machine.I wana finish them but if they aren't at least halfway done .... I can't do do it anymore.
I hate to say it, but a 1:1 adaptation is not always the answer. Novels and web-comics are very different mediums in which to present a story. What works for one does not always work for the other. Season 1 was fantastic, A++. Season 2 brought it down to like a B-. Still good, but I read it in part because sunk cost, not enthusiasm.
Was this image from a chapter I missed or some promotional material
I dont' think thats the case with the current arc. It was really a long chunk of text and was honestly a bit too long. All the arcs in the novel are pretty long winded, but this one especially since it has like 2-3 main points that it skims off of.
After season one they go too arrogant for their success and blew season two
Nah man take your sweet ass time, remain faithful to the original material and take some breaks for God sake. I'm happy to wait if the cost of not waiting is someone else's health. And you know what, doing it slowly and the right way will yield far better results anyways.
It is going to take years at this point to get to the north ice palace arc.
... Have you even read the novel OP? Or are you just speaking out of god knows where? Mt Hua has been pretty faithful to the novel and I hope they keep it that way.
I don't wanna read novel right now, just want to know if it will get better, or its downhill from here on ??
Season 2 made me quit it’s been all miss for me.
I think it’s alright! The progression is good. Have some patience!
Honestly im enjoying every chaptet that is being uploaded, if you really dont want to wait every week for a new chapter, go read right ahead Studio basically adapting to the novel and aren't changing any of the storyline
True also many series skip arcs that happened and never cover them
I mean there are boring arcs in s1 too but it was still amazing have patience my friend I'm sure whatever they're cooking up will be magnificent
I just started reading s2 and finished latest ch yesterday. No cliffs happy life. My only complaint would be chun myung shouldn't shine alone. S1 was bangers bc everyone from the sect shine brightly. Alone he is a bright star, together the sect are the milky way.
Agreed.. Studio drag arc so much.
Are we really starting to hate studios because they adapt the novel 1:1? I've read the novel and so far I haven't noticed anything other than a few small things that deviate from the novel in the manhwa
As an avid novel reader, I feel that the manhwa is both being faithful *and* milking it a little. The manhwa has been effectively 1:1 with the novel... but I don't think it really should be? I felt that the first season did a really good job of both staying faithful but also making sure chapters felt fulfilling and covering what was needed. Season 1 cut down on over 40 chapters and was still able to convey everything from the novel without cutting anything out. On the flip side, Season 2 has been nearly mirroring novel chapters when it should be looking to consolidate more. The manhwa *definitely* milks the plum blossom sword techniques a lot as well, cutting chapters *just before* revealing the technique. They've done it at least 3 times in the Sword Tomb, extending one novel chapter into 3 at one point (that was fucking annoying as a novel reader). The truly unfortunate thing is that this arc is very subtly *super important* to the series in the sense of setting up the building blocks for the core of the series as a whole. The heart and building blocks of the series are in this arc. The issue is this arc was a huge slog for the novel, and it's being felt in full force with the manhwa as well. I can look back at this arc in admiration... but fuck waiting week to week for this shit a second time is brutal.
I don't know if it's studio's fault but yeah it is going too slow
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You know, if you're not paying to read this manhwa, is it really okay to complain about it; general question??