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HelpfulResolve

JW sf is trash.


mancunianinnc

Agreed it’s an extremely average property. Old fashioned building.


No-Instance-48

+1


Sentimensonges

Some hotels, mostly due to their size or volume, have been granted exceptions by Marriott to not have to follow the T&C when it comes to the lounge and breakfast. Looking at the picture I have attached, it looks like the JW SF is one of them. So, the hotel is right, and they technically are not doing anything to break the T&C, since it is printed right in it that it is granted an exception, and there's really nothing that grieving it will do for you. https://preview.redd.it/mytfmbwv4d9d1.jpeg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc8d0ab807b2e1132151e9ccd51ba99e6dcd823f


stml

Looks like they need to start offering breakfast or lounge next month though in July.


Sentimensonges

Probably not. That's just the end of what Marriott calls "Wave 1" (first six months of the year). They will probably just "reevaluate" and keep the same hotels on the list.


thelaminatedboss

Or add some


Reasonable-Catch-598

It's so nice of Marriott to compile for us a list of the most trash hotels we can expect the worst service at for our loyalty so that it's easier for us to avoid them. Thank you Marriott for being so proactive with these subtle warnings.


mancunianinnc

Why though?


WonderChopstix

Interesting bc I stay at the Renaissance listed in NYC frequently and get bfast. Don't recall a time they didn't. But maybe they did this as CYA


MattAcha

Just stayed at Mag Mile and lounge is open. I do not recall a time it wasn’t.


nmpls

Its still weird to me the Monterey Marriott is on there and has been for years. I've been there a bunch for work and always get free breakfast. A really good one with an omelet station. I've never stayed there on a weekend though, maybe it goes away then?


Wild-Pin7355

Staying there tonight. T&Cs still say June 30. Should I raise hell for $100!?


Substantial_Ad_2864

This is why it's getting hard to justify sticking with Marriott. Starwood would've never allowed this. I'm lifetime platinum and while breakfast in and of itself isn't the biggest deal since I usually have a bowl of Cheerios at home, the fact they refuse to offer any sort of consistency with their elite benefits and are happy to make exceptions to the already impossible to remember rules they have, makes it hard to be loyal. Hilton sucks for breakfast, too but at least it's consistent. Hyatt does it right but they have almost no hotels which is too bad.


Pitiful-Plankton2555

Notice how that entire list is all Marriott and includes no legacy SPG properties, which are still better. St Regis over Ritz any day.


Substantial_Ad_2864

Yeah I always try and Starwood brands over Marriott since they'll almost certainly be better


Sentimensonges

See, I got hired by Marriott before the merger, and I find, in my perception, legacy MRWD properties to be far away better than the legacy SPG properties, which I find have gone more quickly into disrepair and inconsistency,


mancunianinnc

The JW in SF is one of the most mediocre JW properties anywhere. It’s in an old fashioned building and their public areas are awful. Shitty restaurant and no lounge. Avoid.


MalcoveMagnesia

The JW atrium reminds me of Grand Hyatts, but the atrium at the Hyatt on the SF Embarcadero is way more dramatic.


southpark

Love the Hyatt Regency on Embarcadero, we stayed there for new years, it’s got a great view of the city and the bay as well and beautiful architecture.


Willylowman1

welcome to the post Covid epocoliptic Bonvoy Marriott… Y'all been Bonvoyed !


Rafles21

Nah U


Nansterz

Just stayed at JW in Vancouver and the executive lounge was great.


cashmoneybihh

such a good lounge . love that JW


aaandfuckyou

The Parq is one of their best properties imho


Beenee42

Agreed, this one is amazing. Just sad they got rid of the fresh OJ machine. They said people kept jamming it up so they got rid of it.


Nansterz

Yup, no fresh OJ machine when I went, but there were a number of different juice carafes and also someone passing out berry smoothies!


Galadriel_60

My absolute favorite!


Maximus1000

Awesome hotel. We get upgraded every time. The lounge is great also. We have stayed at that hotel almost 5 times over the past few years every time we go to Vancouver due to how well they treat elites.


ConsiderationSad6521

JW San Francisco use to have an awesome lounge (like 12 years ago), but no mas.


comments_suck

It's up on the top floor. Had a nice view. They got cheap after covid and never opened back up. The breakfast buffet in the restaurant is like $40.


HelpfulResolve

They don't have a buffet anymore


comments_suck

I was last there in early 2022. Is the breakfast a la carte now?


MalcoveMagnesia

Yes


GoSh4rks

Even 5-6 years ago it was still good.


Conscious_Home_7579

This is why folks should always ALWAYS ask the property about elite benefits before staying there


FinancialBottle3045

If free breakfast matters to you that much, Hyatt is basically the last brand that guarantees top-tier elites breakfast in virtually all cases.


mscherrybaby007

Hyatt breakfast is always top notch.


tropical_penguins

I started staying at hyatts this year. Best decision ever


Substantial_Ad_2864

Same. I'm still 8 nights away from Globalist yet somehow the only inconsistency I've found with benefits is I've more than once been given free breakfast even though I'm not entitled to it yet as apparently quite a few European properties think explorist is close enough.


MrsGenX

Just skip Rio’s if you can


rennvotur

Facts


FinancialBottle3045

Prepared menu a go go


Raiderman112

JW in SF just needs to be avoided. Lifetime Titanium here and this kind of thing just doesn’t work for me.


nancybessandgeorge

Marriott Marquis in SF has a big lounge.


ChickenPartz

I’ll be staying there in another month for the first time. How do you like the property?


nancybessandgeorge

It’s nice. Good views. Lots of big meetings and conferences there. So depending on when you’re there, it can be packed with people from a conference. Lounge is nice. Safe area of SF.


mancunianinnc

I stayed there not long ago - breakfast if free for elites because they have no lounge. My question is WHY does a flagship property in a major city like SF NOT have an operational lounge!


Aggravating_Fact9547

Cheap ass owners, as most Marriott properties are owned by overseas folks. Powder eggs anyone?


2bit2much

Interestingly through June 30th of this year they only have to provide the 1000 pts, the person you spoke with at the hotel is correct, otherwise it seems the $100 is due as compensation as long as you request this prior to your check out.


Apocryphile

The Oakland Marriott has a lovely M Club. I’ve received more Ambassador welcome gifts there than any other Bay Area Marriott property as well.


Xen_Pro

Here are 1000 more points. It will help you achieve status. Stay here and use the status for … more points.


whycx

I don’t stay here unless all the other hotels are too much. It feels tired and old. Better as a U.S. Sheraton


bigscarylion

Stay at the jay…still not breakfast for free, but great deals on killer rooms in a new hotel in a non-sketchy area


Longjumping_Card350

I’m at The Jay this week. They offer free continental breakfast (coffee, juice, pastries) at their 3rd floor restaurant for Elites or 750 points per day. I took points because Il Canto across the street has the best breakfast burritos and we like to sleep in.


MalcoveMagnesia

Jay = the former LeMeridien.


bigscarylion

Yes, but the suites are much improved.


josephliyen

During my last and only visit to this terrible property, the front desk lady gleed and said they are one of only 21 hotels in the United States that don't need to give us elite any free breakfast or lounge.


traveler-girl

Marriott Marquis in SF is my fave. Nice lounge, easy Target access for odds and ends.


haetaes

There should be a monetary value if not offering anything.


Icy_Air3616

Stay at Marriott fisherman’s wharf.


blacksan00

This is why I stay at the Marriott properties at the Wharf and just walk across the street to the 8am Cafe.


Otherwise-Penalty795

I stayed there in 2019 and it was comfortable, and they had a lounge with a happy hour. It was a nice amenity, but not a deciding factor for me. I don’t think any hotel is worth what I paid there, but it was within my company’s policy.


kannon_5323

Stay at the Westin or the Marriott Union Square. Both are much better than the JW. Im usually 20 nights a year between the two


HomerO9136

The new JW Bonnet Creek in Orlando does the same thing and they have no lounge.


ryansox

The T&C for this hotel does not include breakfast as an option if the lounge is closed. Normally you would receive continental breakfast as an option except at resorts but in the terms there are 19 hotels that are exempt.


Over-Bedroom265

A lot of JW do not have lounge! Maybe none? They figure if you can afford to stay there you can afford to pay for your own breakfast and over priced snacks


monorail_pilot

JW in Charlotte has an amazing lounge.


Kmjada

Ditto in Nashville


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Kmjada

Now that I do not know. The Joseph is awesome. The Noelle, not so much.


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Ok-Pay-7358

You just get upgraded every time, sometimes a nice corner room with a fantastic view, sometimes a suite, but always an upgrade The welcome nibbles aren’t consistent ime


comments_suck

Ditto in New Orleans and Miami


Legitimate-Buy1031

JWs in Nashville and New Orleans both have great lounges.


jochexum

Istanbul Marmara has an exceptional club New Orleans is extremely solid


quimper

JW Berlin has an amazing lounge AND gives plats and ups free breakfast. Incidentally thr best breakfast spread I’ve ever seen.


classicrock40

Lol. They don't have todo anything.


WhenIDipYouDipWeDip_

Well their terms and conditions dictate they have to do something otherwise they are on the hook for $100 compensation for not offering a welcome gift. Please expand on your response.


JohnHughesMovies_FTW

they offer a welcome gift, which is 1000 points. not trying to make their case. that being said, having stayed at this property, the Paalace and the St. Regis in SF, the JW was my least favourite. weird layout, dark rooms, charme of the 90’s. Go with the St. Regis if your budget allows.


Geekdad604

St Regis is top notch. Great bar and restaurant. Used their Bentley car service (I don’t think this is available anymore, now an “executive car”) and that was a nice perk. Recently stayed at the Palace, got an amazing upgrade and continental breakfast was included with $10 upgrade to fully breakfast buffet.


classicrock40

JW is a resort for one, but everyday there's a post about the lack of amenities(especially lounges) and that neither the franchises nor corporate cares. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted.