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PhoOhThree

Removed due to not labelling correctly as Rumor and treating it as facts.


kailiren1234

Wtf is Sony doing


KILL__MAIM__BURN

Same thing they always have - release garbage movies with zero quality control under the assumption that Spider-Man fans will make them make *some* money.


albene

*And they say* *That a hero could save us* ~ Sony, maybe… *sigh*


KILL__MAIM__BURN

Sony 2024, at that. Out of touch as long as it makes just enough money to make another and keep the license.


Tyko_3

You’d think they would wanna keep the license to MAKE money


albene

Make money to keep the license to make money to keep the license to… ![gif](giphy|LBrxm7ARM6c0w|downsized)


KILL__MAIM__BURN

Why make billions when you can just make millions over and over?


InternetAddict104

Tbf they did originate that song. Chad Kroeger wrote it specifically for Spider-Man 2002 (and it was his solo debut, with a banging lineup of modern rockers as the band)


Honestfellow2449

Yeah they got an early screening of the movie and was told to write songs based on what they saw, I remember some of them talking about it (on the DVD extras I think) back in the day.


El_Stupacabra

Wasn't "Bother" by Stone Sour in that movie, too?


detroiter85

Oh yeah, I loved that soundtrack. Right up their with the godzilla one.


brineOClock

The daredevil soundtrack was amazing too.


Pubics_Cube

WAKE ME UP


Dyne_Inferno

Oh man, that Godzilla soundtrack was FIRE!


Stack_of_HighSociety

It amazes me that Morbius didn't teach them the right lesson. Sony (movies) suck, hard.


jasegro

Remember when the internet bamboozled them into rereleasing that shit in cinemas? You’d think they’d have learned from that but here we are…


TheGoverness1998

They didn't realize people were laughing *at* them, not *with* them.


UncreativeTeam

As much as I love Tom Hardy, I *really* wish Venom had crashed and burned so this entire universe would've been aborted.


Worthyness

Sony live action movie department is absolutely trash. Sony electronics, sony animation, Sony TV are legitimately good.


ThisIs_americunt

gaming division pumped out some bangers too


RabbitFanboy

This is what worries me about the Zelda movie.


Bakoro

From the leaked emails out of the Sony Pictures, they're not just trash, they're outright hostile to their customers, to actors and, basically everyone. They're a consistently hateful bunch. And that's just the stuff they're willing to write down, you know it's got to be worse when it's off the record.


Stack_of_HighSociety

I agree 100%. It's just the movies that are mostly disappointments.


mike_pants

Nonsense. Kraven the Environmentalist will prove all of you wrong.


Xikar_Wyhart

Too be fair a hunter can be conservationist. Like somebody who actually hunts not a rich asshole who pays 100k to kill a trapped animal. But this Kraven isn't that either. I don't know what the plan is but not hunting Spider-Man already makes less interested.


TheGoverness1998

Kraven's gonna hunt Joe Exotic


thegrailarbor

![gif](giphy|kC2cRqEt8o41COgjoV|downsized) \-Sony Pictures


machinezed

They said he doesn’t pay money to kill a trapped animal. And 45 never came through with his pardon.


Embarrassed_Gur_8234

Now THATS a movie


sayamemangdemikian

My left brain say it's gonna be garbage.. my right brain say it's gonna be sidney sweeney dakota johnson and isabela merced.


defph0bia

Eventually, it won't be enough money right and they can't feasibly make these movies anymore right? Cos they should stop these movies. They can't make movies for Spider-Man side characters without the man himself. The games are carrying Sony when it comes to their Spider-Man content.


TheGoverness1998

I definitely think a push is going to come to shove soon enough. Superhero movies are already in sort of a downtrend, there's only so much longer that people will be willing to go watch SONY's superhero stuff, especially with how awful of a reputation they have earned. Madame Web could easily not break even this go around the box office, and I think Kraven is going to struggle as well.


kiekan

> Eventually, it won't be enough money right There is a reason why this movie is being released in February. Sony is just shitting it out and then using it as a tax write off. A lot of studios dump out their garbage at the beginning of the year and then just write them off.


N8CCRG

The problem is it works. Some characters just print money by themselves because enough fans want/need to see it no matter what.


RoyalFlavorBeans

That works for Venom, but they're setting up to failure by doing bad movies about Morbius, Kraven and Madame Web (and wanted to do El Muerto!) If what they want is to profit on the Spider-Man IP by making bad vilain movies, it'd be smarter to do Green Goblin and Doc Ock, at least.


XxRobloxNobxX

The only thing I care about is Venom 3


Black_Dumbledore

They’re keeping them Spider-man rights that’s for damn sure


Other-Bridge-8892

Whether we want them to or not!


southernandmodern

Really really not


SiestaMane

I mean they gave us spiderverse. Disney would never.


sonic10158

![gif](giphy|l46CyJmS9KUbokzsI|downsized)


Romnonaldao

Keeping the movie rights at all costs


AntiRacismDoctor

'In Association with MARVEL'


ninjashroom

when are they gonna start putting, "Even marvel didn't want to be associated with this" at the start?


ccReptilelord

Drugs


QveenKittyKat

Looks like they don't even know.


ArchdruidHalsin

Their best


Funkycoldmedici

It’s insane how they have both the best and the worst comic book movies lately. It’s either Spiderverse genius or Morbius shit.


don51181

What they always have done. Fumble probably the most valuable comic character of all time. They seem so confused but have all this potential.


PJL80

Being awful at this. Just another day for them.


zennz29

Failing


WebHead1287

Trusting Avi Arad still


WutDaFunkBro

carrying the entire superhero movie genre on their back


afanoftoomanythings

![gif](giphy|dC9DTdqPmRnlS|downsized)


echoplex21

Might be the perfect reaction to this news.


l_Banned_l

99% sure i saw an old flip phone in the madame web trailer. I think they got the Andrew timeline wrong as well, maybe they were thinking tobey originally. Edit: I was half right, its a minty PSP in the trailer which would be Tobey's timeline. Unless the guy kept his PSP super clean for 10 years riding the subway https://imgur.com/a/62hKMyl


afanoftoomanythings

good catch i never even noticed the psp


BrandfordAndSon

In a universe where we have a multiverse in-canon, variants in-canon…why in gods name does the timeline matter? Make whoever you pick as Spider-man a variant.


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FPG_Matthew

Same with the people who thought it’d be a good idea to kill Karen and foggy in born again. They’re completely out of touch and their egos are to the point they don’t think they can make a bad project


gzapata_art

New rumor is that both are returning now


FPG_Matthew

Yep ofc, with the new people coming in hopefully saving the day


_________FU_________

Nah foggy and Karen sucked


BudgetNoodl

Yea they made the show nearly unwatchable for me not gonna lie


seriously_kids

Why are you booing? He’s right.


OliWood

Sony really lucked out when they signed that ironclad contract for Spideys rights... way to fuck it all up.


ccReptilelord

We all lucked out that this is all that they took. Marvel was handling out movie rights like Halloween candy then.


Worthyness

In fact they tried to give Sony literally everything for the price of like 25 mil and they opted for just spidey


ccReptilelord

It was understandable back then. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, no one wanted to gamble on these c-list superheroes. And they weren't wrong, I think any other studio would have fumbled these IPs hard.


thoroakenfelder

They had to buy 20th century Fox to get back the x-men and ff


wallcrawlingspidey

About to jump off a cliff. I wish they can just make a deal where Marvel keeps the live action Spidey rights and Sony keeps the animated films and gaming rights. That way everyone wins.


DustyRegalia

Not the Sony shareholders. But they could agree to license back the Spider-Man film rights in exchange for profit sharing. But that would require them to have the self awareness that they can’t compete with the built out world that Marvel has made purely on the backs of their slice of the Marvel universe. Which they do not have. 


brch2

I was thinking the same thing that they could come to a deal with Disney/Marvel so they can both share in the rewards. However, then I consider that even the MCU at the moment is largely somewhere between meh and crap, and I'm not sure they would handle the character much better. It's time for Marvel and Sony to work together and do some major shakeup to bring the MCU back to its former glory.


thesagaconts

Agreed. Spider man movies seem to be the only ones left that I’m excited for in the MCU.


BGTheHoff

> that they can’t compete with the built out world that Marvel has made They could to some degree. A good Spidey universe with all those interesting characters could be good if done right. Too bad they can't do it right. I am sure Gunn could do similar with the Guardians so something with the same skill and dedication for the source material can do the same for the friendly neighborhood spider. But they (at Sony) are busy jerking off to that crap they do and missing the whole point.


ecxetra

Sony don’t own the gaming rights. It’s licensed to them.


cenasmgame

Yeah, with Spider-Man being console exclusive to a Sony console gives people the wrong idea.


ArcherInPosition

Also Microsoft turned down the offer for a Spider-Man game in the early 2010s


roleparadise

And Marvel/Disney doesn't own the rights to the live action films. It's all part of a licensing deal that probably includes both films and games. OP's point is that fans would be happy if live action rights stayed with Marvel and game rights stayed with Sony. (Neither of which is owned by those companies currently)


JakeHassle

Games deal was a coincidence. Microsoft turned down Marvel when they got approached initially for a game in 2014. So Marvel went to Sony who said yes, and they chose to do Spider-Man.


HankSteakfist

Sony doesn't own the gaming rights. They have a temporary license.


SpicyAfrican

Good god Sony just donate the Spider-Man rights to marvel. You’re fucking it up for us.


Night-Monkey15

They’ll never do that. The Spider-Man movies make so much money that Sony is perfectly fine with releasing this slop. That’s how much money they make. Selling the film rights would be one of the worst business decision the company could make unless they charged several billion, and Disney would never pay that price.


Southern_Ship_4550

Sony selling those rights would be studied in business courses until the end of time


gzapata_art

I heard their price is $10 billion so it would certainly be remembered


robodrew

lmao there is no way Spider-Man is worth 2.5x the entire Star Wars franchise


gzapata_art

Maybe, maybe not. That's just the price they want to give it up as they're pretty happy owning the rights


HolidaySpiriter

The Star Wars sale was 12 years ago (so $4B is closer to ~$5.5B now), and arguably was sold for cheaper than it should have been. I don't really see a reason for why the Spiderman franchise shouldn't be worth $10B considering it's greater cultural relevance & direct importance to Marvel as a whole. $10B will absolutely pay for itself over the next 10-20 years.


thoroakenfelder

I kind of doubt that Disney would have made the spider-verse films


thedylannorwood

Maybe not, but Sony making them was more of a fluke rather than an intelligent artistic decision. They just happened to hire the right people with the right vision at the right time


thegodfaubel

They might. They own everything else


SpicyAfrican

Well yeah I know they would never do that.


ruttinator

They paid 4 billion for Star Wars just to fuck that all up.


SwarleyJr

Star Wars is probably worth more as an IP than Spider-Man


N8CCRG

Disney has probably made that $4 billion back just from SW content generating additional theme park revenues alone. Quick google search says Disney made $32 billion in revenue just from theme parks just from last year. People go nuts over SW theme park stuff.


sufiansuhaimibaba

Still haven’t got that ROI though. I don’t think merchandising of the sequels brings so much money.


SwarleyJr

Sequels aside, I’m thinking of all those lightsabers and toys sold at Galaxy’s Edge in Disney World bring in quite a lot. I’m not sure “New York’s Edge” would be enough of a draw.


Redditor_Rebooted

As long as they're making movies using spider-man characters, Sony gets to keep the rights


HomerEyedMonad

Theyre actively sabotaging the brand lol


ben123111

As much as I hate Sony, somehow Spider-Verse not only trumps all the bad things Sony has done with the IP but also everything good Disney has done with it. But once Beyond comes out, get it the fuck away from them.


Clipboard4

No. Sony gonna squeeze every drop of "spiderman" til it's bone dry.


LoveWaffle1

Stuff like this is why no one treats their movies as canon


knowslesthanjonsnow

Why wouldn’t Sony just move forward with Garfield in these movies, and Holland in the MCU ones????


JamesEvanBond

Because that would be the smart thing to do. And this is Sony.


eagc7

I mean the problem with placing TASM as part of the Sonyverse is that Kraven has the Rhino, but that clearly ain't the same Rhino from TASM.


knowslesthanjonsnow

I wouldn’t overthink it.


IndominusTaco

it’s too confusing for general audiences to have 2 different Peter Parker Spider-Men in separate universes with their own storylines. this isn’t the DC cinematic universe


SeveredElephant

I don’t think this argument really holds up that well anymore after NWH, and the multiverse in general being all over the CBM genre. But that said, yes brand dilution would still be a big concern if they did have two co-existing live action Peter Parker’s.


68ideal

Nah I disagree, this is a bunch of bullshit. General audiences don't care too much about that sort of stuff. I can confidently assure you that.


BrandfordAndSon

It’s not confusing at all. God I hate this timeline.


IndominusTaco

not to us because we’re literally on a subreddit dedicated to the MCU. i’m talking about the filthy casuals who go see the movies in theaters with family/friends and don’t know the difference between Thanos and Kang because they’re both funky colored aliens. they don’t make movies for nerds, they make movies for the lowest common denominator to appeal to the masses


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Caleb902

Kraven shot well after Disney and Sony made up. You made that part up.


TargaryenKnight

How do you know it shot well?


Binro_was_right

You're parsing that wrong. It's not "shot well" after... it's shot "well after".


TargaryenKnight

I’m not being specific. I’m wondering what proof there is the movie shot well at all. I asked because it sounds like propaganda 


Binro_was_right

The use of the word "well" here is not related to the quality of the film. "Well after" just means a considerable amount of time after. I also don't think you understand what propaganda actually is if you think the initial comment could even be read as propaganda.


TargaryenKnight

Lmfao well after 


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TargaryenKnight

Bro I’m laughing at misunderstanding it calm down are you alr?


Binro_was_right

Mate, they misunderstood the original sentence. It happens. I don't think anyone is pushing back or making this as big a deal as you seem to find it.


_Valisk

Kraven started filming in 2022, nowhere near to the Marvel-Sony deal falling apart.


toxicbrew

Even the Morbius stuff is made up. It filmed in early 2019 and the Disney Sony spat was two months from August to October of that year


eagc7

According to the Story of Marvel Studios book the breakup actually happened during post-production of Far From Home, but Marvel and Sony kept it to themselves, they only waited until the film was out in cinemas and made most of its money to reveal the news. Cause lets be fair, if we knew that Spidey would be out of the MCU after this film, i think alot of interest on the film would've gone down, especially if the film wasn't made as a potential finale. So there is a possibility that the Morbius Spidey stuff may had been as result of the deal break up, as they would've filmed when the deal broke. https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a38063889/marvel-sony-spider-man-split-timeline/


Quirky_Ad_5420

Sony being Sony They making it worse all the time


NASCAR142002

All live action rights to Marvel please.


IndominusTaco

Sony will never let Spider-man go, it’s the one IP keeping them alive in the entertainment industry. they will never sell, much less “donate” Spider-Man. the current deal they have now with the MCU is their sweet spot


eaguayo

Wish they could just sit in the backseat and let Marvel deal with the live action stuff while they make easy money for doing nothing. Maybe Disney can let them use other Marvel characters in their animated movies for it. 


ccReptilelord

Good or bad, we'll get one Spidey film every five years. I don't love the deal by far, but Sony will crank out those Holland and Spider-verse films biannually.


LADYBIRD_HILL

I think Disney would be the first company to whore out Spider-Man if they could. They'd probably push out Spider-Man movies as fast as they did star wars. 


Next-Team

That’s hilarious, must be fun being so bad at your job but still making tons of money regardless


Top_Report_4895

FFS, Sony. ![gif](giphy|MwOuiiTfWfWgM|downsized)


Such_Twist4641

God damn it prune this shit.


CruzAderjc

I would love for Deadpool to suddenly enter through a portal, and then some TVA agents enter through another one. Deadpool is like, “oh sorry, did you want to do this one?”


Caleb902

This just seems fanfic. It's been leaked since the movie started filming that the bad guy is trying to stop Peter from being born. This is just someone throwing darts at the wall


Tyko_3

Seriously? Is he gonna be desperately running around with a condom in hand?


jacobs1113

That would probably be a better movie than what it looks like we’re getting


Tyko_3

His name is Condomian!


Su_Impact

>It's been leaked since the movie started filming that the bad guy is trying to stop Peter from being born. After the reshoots he's gonna try to stop Eddie Brock or Kevin Kraven from being born or some random shit.


BrandfordAndSon

No fuckin way Kraven’s first name is Kevin lol


SoraMcu

I think we all owe The Marvels a apology now lol


68ideal

Yes you do. It's a great and fun movie.


esar24

At least we have >!OG beast!< as cameo in the marvels, sony couldn't even pick one spider-man from their wardrobe to represent their cinematic universe, not even as a cameo.


ApprehensiveProfit88

Sony is so dumb…..marvel please buy spider man back


Gamerxx13

sounds like this is gonna be a disaster. have no interest in watching it bc i dont know the character but if spiderman was in would have watched it just to see that


Blue_Robin_04

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L0lligag

The pay day they could get for the Spider-Man rights has to outweigh all the money they’re going to lose on this universe.


UncleLeo_Hellooooo

Source? All I see is some tweet from some dude. You got an article?


EChocos

That's what I'm thinking. Is that source legit?


ccReptilelord

I'm sure this will be a quality film. Raking in another morbillion dollars for Sony.


cre8ivemind

Does anyone know how legit this source is? It seems like just a random tweet


PracticableSolution

Sony being Sony.


Only-Walrus797

Oh Sony…. What’re ya doin


Beard341

The movie is going to suck anyway so probably for the better.


Brimstone747

This movie will be a spectacular disaster.


TheMysticMop

Good, don't want either assosciated with this mess.


Pen_dragons_pizza

I am sorry but I do not believe Sony messing up with the dates so having to remove everything. These movies are made by so many people and was very specifically set in the early 2000s, uncle Ben straight away not matching up with Andrew’s spiderman movies, so how could that ever be an option ? The guy did not age 30 years in just 10 years and totally change professions. This is just some random rumour that has been made up


UncreativeTeam

"Andrew Garfield was in the Amazon with Tom Holland when he was researching spiders right before they both died."


SnowRidin

this…can’t be accurate


spderweb

See, I assumed that the girls would take up the mantle for Sony, to go up against Kraken, Morbius, etc.


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I know zero about Madame Web, and I don’t care enough to find out.


EDPZ

Y'all just haters. I'm gonna be there opening night!


Tyko_3

No one is forced to like what you like


kailiren1234

Kevin Feige should sue Sony for defamation


kailiren1234

Just give the rights back to Marvel already


fossilized_butterfly

Of course, they had to make a female counterpart of Spiderman world too. And that too in the same universe. I hate this.


bkman101

Sony has made bad movies lately but let's be honest, Marvel/Disney can and will never make a movie as good as the spiderverse films and the first two Raimi Spiderman movies.


ccReptilelord

This is the rub. Sony will churn out whatever, but they also keep those genuine Spider-films flowing. MCU will give us one film every five years, good or bad.


bkman101

They need to every 1 1/2 years or they lose the rights


Tyko_3

Not with their current trends they’re not


N8CCRG

I'll agree with Spider-verse, but I'll put both Homecoming and Far from Home above the Raimi Spider-Man movies. Those were solid.


Secure_Pear_4530

Couldn't they just.. set it in early 2000's? The twin towers gonna be in the background or something? Whatever, at least it's not set in the MCU so Merced and Sweeney can have another shot


throawayfemboy

https://i.redd.it/svrtyphcxadc1.gif No way


Sorry-Spite9634

Jesus Sony sucks at this. They need to let Marvel do the live action films and they can focus on the animated ones.


vinnybawbaw

So that whole « Mary Parker is pregnant and they have to protect her and the baby » was cut out of the movie ?


Leo_TheLurker

Lord just ask someone online for help at this point


RockNRoll85

And I thought WB was bad, Sony takes it to the next level when it comes to Spider-Man


Lecture_Unhappy

Sony just needs to stop and sell the rights back to Marvel.


PrideKitchen8618

No way lol


masterasstroid

Waiting for the day spiderman rights come back to marvel


Su_Impact

Is Emma Roberts (young Mary Parker) even in the film at this point?


Highwayman747

Honestly I’m fucking shocked at the restraint they’ve shown with not having a Spider-Man in any of their shitty side universe movies yet.


He_Who_Complains

The more I hear about this movie the worse I know it’s gonna be, but the more I want to see it as I just need to know /how/ bad is it? It’s gonna be Fan4stic bad, isn’t it?


DFu4ever

Sony, everyone!


nvenkatr

>>You know I’m something of a Spider-Man myself. Tobey maybe


Lost-Lu

CAP. Thought they legally couldn't use another live action Peter Parker/Spider-Man as long as MCU is still using Tom.


reuxin

Sony needs someone to helm their Spider-stuff. Pascal is a talented producer and she's been producing high level stuff inside and outside of Marvel (Tom Holland films, Spider-Verse, Venom, Little Women, Molly's Game, etc.) Ari Arad (Madame Web, Kraven, Morbius) is still producing superhero movies like it's 2000. Yeah he was responsible for some classic material, but he just doesn't have the touch needed in today's environment.


mh1357_0

Sony makes it harder and harder for me to root for them...


RoyalFlavorBeans

Wait... what? What is their problem, why not just set out to make a good, unrelated movie first and then think about these stuff? It's the Michael Keaton/Morbius mess yet again...


LegitimateHedgehog39

Just bring Scott The Woz to be the new Spider-Man into this universe, that way Sony won't have any problems of who Spider-Man will be the main focus in Sony's Spider-Man Universe.


MysteriousRun1522

Jfc…


robodrew

LOL this movie is going to be a complete disaster. I guarantee there will be no reviews coming out until the day of release.


Vinhluu09

They're so incompetent it's insane. I'm gonna need Marvel to take the rights for Spider-Man back


medieval_mosey

This is the most Sony headline