I want to know where they sourced the sand. Good sand is a finite resource, so I hope they didn't piss away the useful kind for building a mediocre sand dune.
Go ahead and do a Google search for sand shortage - the quick answer is that useful sand needs to be uniform and have certain qualities. Once it is used, mainly in construction, like concrete and glass, it's no good. It's no longer uniform, and usually mixed up with lots of other stuff.
It is absolutely a finite resource.
Fun fact - A desert is nothing but sand, but all that sand is too smooth for concrete. They actually have to import sand for all construction projects.
Sand is commonly used in construction and using the wrong kind of sand can be catastrophic. It’s common for builders in China to use cheap beach sand instead of river stand when doing construction but beach sand has impurities that lead to catastrophic failures. The phenomenon is referred to as tofu dregs construction, imagine massive buildings, just falling apart because they weren’t structurally sound the day they were finished.
I know this is totally a serious subject, but every time it comes up (and frankly there's been a worrying increase), it always makes me think of this:
https://youtu.be/AISoNYxeaqo?si=rv2v-dwfpfL_9Qw3
Sand that reaches the bottom of the ocean is not easy or cost effective to bring back up. Waves are very good at mixing sand into ocean water and then carrying the sand out deep where it drops to the bottom of the ocean. This is especially true during storms. Places that rely on beaches for tourism like Miami and Cancun regularly have to truck in sand to replenish their beaches, but there's only so much 'good' sand to dig up and truck in. Then another storm hits and literally rinse and repeat.
edit to add, we also use a ton of sand in construction and electronics (silicone). Those require 'good' sand as well. We're using it really fast.
“Coming up with a plan to save the beach” I’ve got bad news -there is no plan for that.
Tides are getting higher, water levels are just higher. You can’t save this. It is happening down here in CT too. I am sure in RI too. You either move your house further inland or eventually lose it.
Edit: https://sealevelrise.org/states/massachusetts/
Here in New Hampshire, it feels like there's a news story every other week where Hampton floods. I don't mean the beach, I mean the entire section past the beach where all the homes and businesses are. I have no idea how sustainable that place will be as-is if that keeps happening.
Actually, New England’s coastline is mainly rock, granite specifically. That particular area around Plum Island and the mouth of the Merrimack River is marshland: we have some shoreline that - it’s where we keep our beaches for the most part - and erosion isn’t exactly a new issue there. It’s idiots building on that land that is new. Those homes are doomed, but much of New England’s coastline will do better than most areas as sea levels rise.
Rest of the country’s shoreline (except maybe Oregon and Washington) are screeeeeewed
Well you can always create a wall and divert the water into different locations but that takes a fuck ton of money, mind and power.
They used 500k worth of sand so they got 2 of those... Just needed that middle one to be good.
If Mr Lahey taught me anything, [it's that it's best to play with rocks and cement](https://youtu.be/3mcQfP8k51s?si=kqW60etknm2tZwOB&t=11)....and build stone walls against the water for the generations after you.
Salisbury gets that in the flats where the wetlands are. I had a friend who inherited a beach house there 20 years ago. Their family had been dealing with increasing flooding from the wetlands for decades. I can only imagine what it’s like now.
What baffles me is people built/bought houses that were on the edge of a sandy beach and didn’t think twice about the beach just staying exactly where it is forever? The ones who sold them the houses are the smart ones, also people who built on rock/ledge instead of sand.
No, they assumed that because they were already rich, they could force the town or state to pay for whatever it takes to protect their "investment".
The town didn't pay up fast enough so they threw some play money at the problem to show how "serious" it is and the government needs to step in a pay for a real solution.
500k split over a couple of millionaires is nothing if they get what they really want, and they've already had their state Rep hit the news outlets about the problem.
Salisbury is kind of the ghetto of the North Shore. (I'm excluding Revere) The hovels may be worth $1mm on paper, but you can generally buy an identical dwelling from the HomeDepot parking lot. Some of those right on the water are newer/nicer, but just one row back is roach motel.
what are you talking about - most of these houses were built 100 years ago. Sure if they were built 5-10 years ago they are idiots. But most have never been impacted by flood before.
I mean... yeah climate change wasn't a known thing 100 years ago, but storms still were. I dont think there was EVER a good time to build houses on the beach.
Just to be pedantic, the first scientific paper theorizing climate change due to CO2 emissions was from 1896!
https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
Exactly. We are really only just beginning to see the effects of climate change. These homeowners are likely 50+ and spent their entire lives hearing about and thinking about having a home on the beach.
It's like how retirees all want to move to Florida. But now Florida is being ass blasted by climate change too, yet people keep moving there. They don't expect change.
I mean, I wouldn't call it a swindle because it's not like the information is hidden.... it's absolutely willful ignorance now to ignore what's happening on the shore
Not calling them smart for the swindle, calling them smart because it’s a bad idea to live next to an ever-changing sandy beach. Same concept of buying a boat, the 2 best days for someone who owns a boat is the day they buy it and the day they sell it.
This outcome is not surprising at all. These homeowners got duped by whoever they paid to
Do this work. Predicting weather and tides is also not rocket science ... its meteorology... I wonder if they even pretended to
Gotta have dune grass and a healthy bit of biomass or else this happens. The hubris still angers me that we as humans still think we're stronger than nature... we're but a speck of dust in time to the powers of nature.
My 2 rules. Never live on a street that indicates it's been covered by water in the past. River st, water st, lake Ave, etc. Humans aren't good at naming things, so, see water, name street after water....
And, live close enough to coast that it's a shortish trip (30-45 min), but far enough away that, ya know, the ocean/hurricanes don't take your house out to sea.
Don’t worry guys, Ben Shapiro tells us these homeowners should just sell their homes in this situation and then problem solved! Another issue: destroyed with logic.
Not one dollar of public funds should be used to protect private property. They bought the house inches from the water, they can deal with their own problems. This is not a public issue and we shouldn't allow public funds to be directed to a fool's errand.
While the dune was destroyed if they hadn't built it their homes would've been swept away instead. Ultimately this isn't an issue that can be resolved with the resources available to a city.
If they are even allowed. The conservation commissions on coastal towns are really strict. Their priority isn’t protecting your house
(Source I’m a builder and deal with Falmouth waterfront issues a lot. Placing 800 yards of sand at the end of the month that eroded this winter.)
Concrete sea walls cause more erosion than anything. The force of waves hitting a wall redirects a ton of that power in pulling sand out to sea. It just creates cliffs and an unstable situation down the line. Natural slopes with properly rooted plants are the best option but they take a ton of money and time to mature to a working state.
You should see the facebook comments on daily news of Newburyport page: many comments from Salisbury residents saying "its always like this and nothing to do with hoax climate change" smh
>Ron Guilmette, whose tennis court was destroyed in previous storms along the beach, added that he now doesn’t know how much his property is worth or if he will stay in the area. He calls the situation on Salisbury Beach “catastrophic.” “I don’t know what the solution is,” Guilmette said
Jesus. This guy is a [former Statie](https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-guilmette-b4097614/) who seemingly racked up enough OT to buy a beachfront home with a tennis court.
Fools and their money are soon parted.
Beach erosion along the north shores is not a new problem. The beaches of Salisbury and Plum island have been quickly eroding for the past 30-40 years. The issue has been discussed and reported on for decades. Several houses have collapsed into the ocean already during storms. Anyone who has bought a home at these places during that time frame has either not done their diligence in researching the property, or has simply dismissed the obvious evidence and warning signs that these properties are at risk.
I mean, it's the roots of the mature sand grasses that take years to establish themselves. Dunes are complex, not just sand piles.
So, it makes sense that it all washed away.
Well, that was just stupid of them. Sand alone doesn’t provide protection, they need to re-establish natural vegetation with roots to anchor down the sand and soil. Florida has a similar issue since they removed the mangrove forests near the coasts to make it “look prettier”.
Short of building a concrete sea wall, there isn’t much else they can do.
OK so we have beach erosion which means the sand is taken away by the water but he let's put more sand down and think it won't wash away like before..
How are these people that dumb
Who were the moron homeowners who invested $500k for sand? Seriously wtf?!?
If you want to stop water from destroying your home, you build a stone walls deep and wide. It’s how harbors protect themselves all the time…..
Just goes to show you don’t need a brain to have lots of money….
Ah, yes, yet another example of how the rich are so much smarter and better than everyone else and that's why they're rich.
These idiots have had decades of warning about climate collapse and yet...
It actually does show how they are rich - they are cheap as fuck.
I'm assuming these are million dollar homes, and they collectively pooled their resources together to protect these properties to a total of...less than half the value of one home?
It did technically work. But they'll have to built another one, and likely bigger, next time.
No they did not pool resources. You could elect to have sand dumped in front of your home if you were willing to pay. It was individually billed. A lot of it washed away in Sundays storm but like someone else said it would’ve been houses washing away in some cases had they not dumped sand
I guess these folks didn't build enough sandcastles at the water's edge as kids and try to protect them from the incoming tide with a sand berm. What us kids quickly discovered was "the ocean always wins".
That is weird. The obvious solution is to do flood control, like in Netherlands: dikes, dams, floodgates.
How long did they expect that sand dune last? And why? Because sand itself will obviously be washed away sooner or later.
They probably chose sand because it was the cheapest option versus everything else. I don't know why they chose sand because it washes away. Now they're going to have to pay more or move.
The solution is to expect your stuff to be destroyed if you build at the beach and expect to pay to rebuild frequently, OR, don’t build at the beach.
I know it’s extreme but this is literally a group of people *fighting nature* while wondering why they can’t. It’s Don Quixote in every way.
The beaches will still be there to enjoy… in tents and RVs even, if we don’t build permanent structures. It’s ok not to fight the sea.
Just so we are all aware, Salisbury MA is not the bougie, wealthy town you're all making it out to be. Salisbury is a harbor for a lot of low-income, working class people because of the cheap rent here. It's cheap because it's not a desirable place to be from September through May.
Frankly, it use to be the sketchy area, and has turned around a little bit in recent years.
Not to mention, the state of Massachusetts is one of the most politically progressive places in this country.
Here you all are acting all snooty about how dumb these homeowners are, trying the every last thing they can to save their town, but it's maybe a small handful of wealthier people with beach front homes, and pretty low income housing right behind them, all the while most people in the state are supportive of legislature to turn global warming around anyway.
So all you who don't know a thing about Salisbury MA sound ignorant.
Right!? I am reading these comments wondering if any of these people have left the city of Boston. I have no personal tie to the Salisbury community but know enough to know these people aren’t some kind of enemy - vast majority are just middle class people that like to have a place to go in the summer months (it’s not even remotely comparable to having a home on the vineyard or Nantucket)
Never gonna build it strong
Never gonna make it right
Never gonna see it last
Through a single stormy night
Gonna spend the cash so fast,
Gonna cut some corners too,
Gonna hear that ocean laugh,
As the waves come crashing through
The muppet on the local news was trying to make this look like he was saving 1a and the town should protect his home F that quite with the avocado toast and pay for it yourself.
A half a million bucks worth of sand ain’t gonna do much for that area! Pretty sure the same thing happened when they tried dredging sand at Plum Island some years back. Hampton has started going underwater more frequently, Salisbury and Plum Island have been washing away for 30 years now….
Man plans, god laughs
But this was a seriously terrible plan lolllll can you imagine making a conscious decision to spend 100k with 4 other people to pour sand, on top of other sand lollllll
My investment is worth millions!
-house damaged hy storms, price doesn't drop.
It's a fixer upper! (Borrows against it to buy more hoomz)
-house washes into the ocean, price doesn't drop.
The land is where the true value is!
-land washes away
Oh my goodness! Mr. Guilmette’s tennis court was destroyed! Let’s talk to our state reps and see if we can get public money to safeguard private property. BS. I thought this whole suite of issues was addressed in Chatham decades ago.
*"All the sand on the beach has washed away. How will we stop the rising tide? Oh, I know... how about sand!"*
I want to know where they sourced the sand. Good sand is a finite resource, so I hope they didn't piss away the useful kind for building a mediocre sand dune.
They probably dredged it.
I read that they were trucking it in, but no idea from where.
First encounter beach is now a crater.
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Go ahead and do a Google search for sand shortage - the quick answer is that useful sand needs to be uniform and have certain qualities. Once it is used, mainly in construction, like concrete and glass, it's no good. It's no longer uniform, and usually mixed up with lots of other stuff. It is absolutely a finite resource.
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Fun fact - A desert is nothing but sand, but all that sand is too smooth for concrete. They actually have to import sand for all construction projects.
Sand is commonly used in construction and using the wrong kind of sand can be catastrophic. It’s common for builders in China to use cheap beach sand instead of river stand when doing construction but beach sand has impurities that lead to catastrophic failures. The phenomenon is referred to as tofu dregs construction, imagine massive buildings, just falling apart because they weren’t structurally sound the day they were finished.
Yep. Vietnam apparently exports a lot, to the point where its river banks are eroding for miles in places. And worldwide, sand thieves are a thing.
I know this is totally a serious subject, but every time it comes up (and frankly there's been a worrying increase), it always makes me think of this: https://youtu.be/AISoNYxeaqo?si=rv2v-dwfpfL_9Qw3
Sand that reaches the bottom of the ocean is not easy or cost effective to bring back up. Waves are very good at mixing sand into ocean water and then carrying the sand out deep where it drops to the bottom of the ocean. This is especially true during storms. Places that rely on beaches for tourism like Miami and Cancun regularly have to truck in sand to replenish their beaches, but there's only so much 'good' sand to dig up and truck in. Then another storm hits and literally rinse and repeat. edit to add, we also use a ton of sand in construction and electronics (silicone). Those require 'good' sand as well. We're using it really fast.
Beach sand isn’t good for construction. It’s smooth and not what’s needed for aggregate.
Nantucket is also importing tons of sand.
Probably beaches that were frequented by lower income people.
This is worse than the time that wind blew away my fallen-leaf sculpture park
“Coming up with a plan to save the beach” I’ve got bad news -there is no plan for that. Tides are getting higher, water levels are just higher. You can’t save this. It is happening down here in CT too. I am sure in RI too. You either move your house further inland or eventually lose it. Edit: https://sealevelrise.org/states/massachusetts/
Here in New Hampshire, it feels like there's a news story every other week where Hampton floods. I don't mean the beach, I mean the entire section past the beach where all the homes and businesses are. I have no idea how sustainable that place will be as-is if that keeps happening.
NH has the smallest coast line of any state. They do have a fair amount of in-land marsh area. About to have more of that I suppose.
Let’s be real, with the current types of people who frequent Hampton it would be a massive favor if nature washed it allllllll away
And Maine from what I read.
Joke's on you- Maine doesnt have sand.
Maine has sand, just not on the beaches - it's in the desert.
I do love that old Desert of Maine; it's kinda fun and kitschy.
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Love Old Orchard Brach
Actually, New England’s coastline is mainly rock, granite specifically. That particular area around Plum Island and the mouth of the Merrimack River is marshland: we have some shoreline that - it’s where we keep our beaches for the most part - and erosion isn’t exactly a new issue there. It’s idiots building on that land that is new. Those homes are doomed, but much of New England’s coastline will do better than most areas as sea levels rise. Rest of the country’s shoreline (except maybe Oregon and Washington) are screeeeeewed
Cape Cod is fucked though.
Yeah, I’d sell any house from Falmouth to Chathan asap
Dad quite deliberately bought on one of the few actual hills in that region, back in the 60s.
It’s in the Bible, the part about building on sand. Read your Bible!!
Well you can always create a wall and divert the water into different locations but that takes a fuck ton of money, mind and power. They used 500k worth of sand so they got 2 of those... Just needed that middle one to be good.
Yes, happening in RI as well.
There was someone who was selling T shirts in RI that said RI grows by 5% at low tide. It was totally made up.
I found one of those shirts at Savers. My teenager stole it from me, because they think it’s hilarious.
If Mr Lahey taught me anything, [it's that it's best to play with rocks and cement](https://youtu.be/3mcQfP8k51s?si=kqW60etknm2tZwOB&t=11)....and build stone walls against the water for the generations after you.
Miss you JD, legend for sure
I'll take a sippypoo to that...and another sippypoo...
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, but drunk enough to really enjoy it
That video was amazing! Thank you
How? Who is this guy? Kind of incredible
[A magical person](https://youtu.be/ORli-oLFlwE?si=QUp5oHItcPMmY3hn&t=26) that's why.
Whoa. What a ride. I guess I’ll watch Trailer Park Boys
/r/trailerparkboys
Omg I randomly saw this video the other day! Mr Lahey knew how to protect himself from a shit storm.
And just up the coast a bit: [in Hampton the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/DisasterUpdate/s/0s8w9i8zdx)
Salisbury gets that in the flats where the wetlands are. I had a friend who inherited a beach house there 20 years ago. Their family had been dealing with increasing flooding from the wetlands for decades. I can only imagine what it’s like now.
Wow this is insane
What baffles me is people built/bought houses that were on the edge of a sandy beach and didn’t think twice about the beach just staying exactly where it is forever? The ones who sold them the houses are the smart ones, also people who built on rock/ledge instead of sand.
People are moving to Florida, so I guess some people don’t look at the whole picture
Can’t wait for Florida weather in MA in 25 years
You wont have to wait 25 years
December doesn’t have snow anymore man it’s over.
Was going to say Massachusetts already has south Carolina weather
A bunch of NIMLTs, Not In My Lifetime!
No, they assumed that because they were already rich, they could force the town or state to pay for whatever it takes to protect their "investment". The town didn't pay up fast enough so they threw some play money at the problem to show how "serious" it is and the government needs to step in a pay for a real solution. 500k split over a couple of millionaires is nothing if they get what they really want, and they've already had their state Rep hit the news outlets about the problem.
Salisbury is kind of the ghetto of the North Shore. (I'm excluding Revere) The hovels may be worth $1mm on paper, but you can generally buy an identical dwelling from the HomeDepot parking lot. Some of those right on the water are newer/nicer, but just one row back is roach motel.
what are you talking about - most of these houses were built 100 years ago. Sure if they were built 5-10 years ago they are idiots. But most have never been impacted by flood before.
I mean... yeah climate change wasn't a known thing 100 years ago, but storms still were. I dont think there was EVER a good time to build houses on the beach.
Just to be pedantic, the first scientific paper theorizing climate change due to CO2 emissions was from 1896! https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
This is legitimately cool, thanks for linking
damn fine pedantry
Exactly. We are really only just beginning to see the effects of climate change. These homeowners are likely 50+ and spent their entire lives hearing about and thinking about having a home on the beach. It's like how retirees all want to move to Florida. But now Florida is being ass blasted by climate change too, yet people keep moving there. They don't expect change.
umm...yes they were.
Fault the buyers for ineptitude but call the seller smart for the swindle? Bad recipe for an economy.
I mean, I wouldn't call it a swindle because it's not like the information is hidden.... it's absolutely willful ignorance now to ignore what's happening on the shore
Not calling them smart for the swindle, calling them smart because it’s a bad idea to live next to an ever-changing sandy beach. Same concept of buying a boat, the 2 best days for someone who owns a boat is the day they buy it and the day they sell it.
Bust Out Another Thousand
Caveat emptor...
Our economy isn't based on precariously placed beach houses.
Can’t feel bad that’s just dumb
Never bring sand to a water fight
Sandman hates this one trick….
“Whose tennis court was destroyed…” boo hoo
Hey if this could happen to his tennis court it could happen to any of our tennis courts!
I laughed when I saw that. Are we actually supposed to give a shit about this dude's private tennis court? What a joke
Right???
Tennis courts are essentially for keeping the wild NIMBY distracted.
Damn so we lost a vital resource then
Fr the moment I read this was in Salisbury I stopped caring
Gotta start burying your Christmas trees. Let nature build your sand dunes.
This guy dunes.
You think these people ever spent a winter here?
They’re in West Palm Beach, obviously
Mother Nature always wins.
Dune 3 it is
Title: “Dune 3: No More Dune”
Being rich doesn't mean you're smart.
This outcome is not surprising at all. These homeowners got duped by whoever they paid to Do this work. Predicting weather and tides is also not rocket science ... its meteorology... I wonder if they even pretended to
Gotta have dune grass and a healthy bit of biomass or else this happens. The hubris still angers me that we as humans still think we're stronger than nature... we're but a speck of dust in time to the powers of nature.
Me sitting, sipping tea, at my future beachfront property in Leonminster.
My 2 rules. Never live on a street that indicates it's been covered by water in the past. River st, water st, lake Ave, etc. Humans aren't good at naming things, so, see water, name street after water.... And, live close enough to coast that it's a shortish trip (30-45 min), but far enough away that, ya know, the ocean/hurricanes don't take your house out to sea.
Hey, Leominster hasn't exactly been doing well in the battle against water recently.
Don’t worry guys, Ben Shapiro tells us these homeowners should just sell their homes in this situation and then problem solved! Another issue: destroyed with logic.
SELL IT TO WHO BEN FUCKING AQUAMAN? -hbomb
lol love that
Not one dollar of public funds should be used to protect private property. They bought the house inches from the water, they can deal with their own problems. This is not a public issue and we shouldn't allow public funds to be directed to a fool's errand.
Not to mention most beach home owners lose their shit if you use “their” beach above the low tide line
While the dune was destroyed if they hadn't built it their homes would've been swept away instead. Ultimately this isn't an issue that can be resolved with the resources available to a city.
I believe it is called "managed retreat" to abandon property that is THE most vulnerable zone.
There are these new things called sea walls and jetties that may help.
Or may cause harm (see plum island) or take years of approvals to build
If they are even allowed. The conservation commissions on coastal towns are really strict. Their priority isn’t protecting your house (Source I’m a builder and deal with Falmouth waterfront issues a lot. Placing 800 yards of sand at the end of the month that eroded this winter.)
Concrete sea walls cause more erosion than anything. The force of waves hitting a wall redirects a ton of that power in pulling sand out to sea. It just creates cliffs and an unstable situation down the line. Natural slopes with properly rooted plants are the best option but they take a ton of money and time to mature to a working state.
Or this old thing called 10 miles inland.
Or do what they do in Florida, Carolinas, Hawaii, etc. — build on stilts.
That doesn't solve beach erosion, it just makes your house an island.
Great thinking, these entitled schmucks should be stuck on their own house island.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Instructions unclear, drowned going to work.
Not allowed by the town.
But they don't look PRETTY
Why should the city pay to stave off the inevitable for these wealthy people? Let them (responsibly) abandon their summer beach homes.
You should see the facebook comments on daily news of Newburyport page: many comments from Salisbury residents saying "its always like this and nothing to do with hoax climate change" smh
Peak Boomer denial
>Ron Guilmette, whose tennis court was destroyed in previous storms along the beach, added that he now doesn’t know how much his property is worth or if he will stay in the area. He calls the situation on Salisbury Beach “catastrophic.” “I don’t know what the solution is,” Guilmette said
Jesus. This guy is a [former Statie](https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-guilmette-b4097614/) who seemingly racked up enough OT to buy a beachfront home with a tennis court.
"I would like to speak to the ocean manager, please." - HOA Chief Karen
A fool and their money are quick to part.
A fool and their money were lucky to get together in the first place.
Youre paying way too much for sand, man. Who is your sand guy?
Say the line Bart! “When you build you house on the dune, your house becomes part of the dune” Yay!
So much of beach along New England coast is private. Don’t want my money insuring coastal homes
Fools and their money are soon parted. Beach erosion along the north shores is not a new problem. The beaches of Salisbury and Plum island have been quickly eroding for the past 30-40 years. The issue has been discussed and reported on for decades. Several houses have collapsed into the ocean already during storms. Anyone who has bought a home at these places during that time frame has either not done their diligence in researching the property, or has simply dismissed the obvious evidence and warning signs that these properties are at risk.
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I mean, it's the roots of the mature sand grasses that take years to establish themselves. Dunes are complex, not just sand piles. So, it makes sense that it all washed away.
I'm sure this sounded logical at the outset... but really? It's SAND!
Nature called, he wants his shoreline back.
Seems like they should have invested in giant boulders instead of sand?
hmm maybe if they hadn't privatized the beach the government would be able to help them. Oh well, it's their problem now.
Well, that was just stupid of them. Sand alone doesn’t provide protection, they need to re-establish natural vegetation with roots to anchor down the sand and soil. Florida has a similar issue since they removed the mangrove forests near the coasts to make it “look prettier”. Short of building a concrete sea wall, there isn’t much else they can do.
Good point. Replanting of sea grasses in Truro, P-town, etc. has noticeably helped slow dune erosion.
OK so we have beach erosion which means the sand is taken away by the water but he let's put more sand down and think it won't wash away like before.. How are these people that dumb
rich people are really dumb
You lost my sympathy at “my tennis court was damaged”.
But I thought I could buy my way out of the impacts of my bad decisions
At least this guy didn’t sell them a monorail!
Who were the moron homeowners who invested $500k for sand? Seriously wtf?!? If you want to stop water from destroying your home, you build a stone walls deep and wide. It’s how harbors protect themselves all the time….. Just goes to show you don’t need a brain to have lots of money….
They should have gone with boulders. They don’t wash away.
Ah, yes, yet another example of how the rich are so much smarter and better than everyone else and that's why they're rich. These idiots have had decades of warning about climate collapse and yet...
It actually does show how they are rich - they are cheap as fuck. I'm assuming these are million dollar homes, and they collectively pooled their resources together to protect these properties to a total of...less than half the value of one home? It did technically work. But they'll have to built another one, and likely bigger, next time.
No they did not pool resources. You could elect to have sand dumped in front of your home if you were willing to pay. It was individually billed. A lot of it washed away in Sundays storm but like someone else said it would’ve been houses washing away in some cases had they not dumped sand
I guess these folks didn't build enough sandcastles at the water's edge as kids and try to protect them from the incoming tide with a sand berm. What us kids quickly discovered was "the ocean always wins".
That is weird. The obvious solution is to do flood control, like in Netherlands: dikes, dams, floodgates. How long did they expect that sand dune last? And why? Because sand itself will obviously be washed away sooner or later.
They probably chose sand because it was the cheapest option versus everything else. I don't know why they chose sand because it washes away. Now they're going to have to pay more or move.
The solution is to expect your stuff to be destroyed if you build at the beach and expect to pay to rebuild frequently, OR, don’t build at the beach. I know it’s extreme but this is literally a group of people *fighting nature* while wondering why they can’t. It’s Don Quixote in every way. The beaches will still be there to enjoy… in tents and RVs even, if we don’t build permanent structures. It’s ok not to fight the sea.
How can people so stupid have so much money?
Just so we are all aware, Salisbury MA is not the bougie, wealthy town you're all making it out to be. Salisbury is a harbor for a lot of low-income, working class people because of the cheap rent here. It's cheap because it's not a desirable place to be from September through May. Frankly, it use to be the sketchy area, and has turned around a little bit in recent years. Not to mention, the state of Massachusetts is one of the most politically progressive places in this country. Here you all are acting all snooty about how dumb these homeowners are, trying the every last thing they can to save their town, but it's maybe a small handful of wealthier people with beach front homes, and pretty low income housing right behind them, all the while most people in the state are supportive of legislature to turn global warming around anyway. So all you who don't know a thing about Salisbury MA sound ignorant.
I’ve always gotten coke bar biker vibes from Salisbury.
Right!? I am reading these comments wondering if any of these people have left the city of Boston. I have no personal tie to the Salisbury community but know enough to know these people aren’t some kind of enemy - vast majority are just middle class people that like to have a place to go in the summer months (it’s not even remotely comparable to having a home on the vineyard or Nantucket)
Rick Rigoli is never gonna give up, never gonna let that ocean get you down …
Never gonna build it strong Never gonna make it right Never gonna see it last Through a single stormy night Gonna spend the cash so fast, Gonna cut some corners too, Gonna hear that ocean laugh, As the waves come crashing through
Just move to revere it's perfect
Lol
The dutch have managed their shorelines since the 1940s... its time for permanent solutions.
Lisan Al Gaib!
Note to self: buy a house with beach access, but not on the water.
My town Salisbury is so beautiful when the sun is low. Rolling over the sands you can see spice in the air. Within 3 nightfalls it all washed away.
The muppet on the local news was trying to make this look like he was saving 1a and the town should protect his home F that quite with the avocado toast and pay for it yourself.
A half a million bucks worth of sand ain’t gonna do much for that area! Pretty sure the same thing happened when they tried dredging sand at Plum Island some years back. Hampton has started going underwater more frequently, Salisbury and Plum Island have been washing away for 30 years now….
Oh no, what are you dune
Rule #1 Don’t build on the beach Rule#2 See rule 1
Salisbury beach had been washing away heavily for many years. They need more than just $500,000 of sand.
Poor guy , rip tennis court
They built a sand wall for half a mill, and no one thought this might be a bad idea?
Man plans, god laughs But this was a seriously terrible plan lolllll can you imagine making a conscious decision to spend 100k with 4 other people to pour sand, on top of other sand lollllll
It's almost like this was predicted decades ago but people did NOTHING. Now your house is going to be in the ocean. Que sera sera
These people are getting a free preview of the future earth. Climate Change
You use stones for Christ sake you build a jetty. Fucking moronic
It’s global warming. The change is permanent. Some sand dunes aren’t going to stop a process we’ve been screaming about for 50 years.
Wonder if any climate deniers live there…. Karma is a beach.
Why did they use sand instead of rip rap? Using sand seems ridiculous to me.
Hard barriers are prohibited under state law.
My investment is worth millions! -house damaged hy storms, price doesn't drop. It's a fixer upper! (Borrows against it to buy more hoomz) -house washes into the ocean, price doesn't drop. The land is where the true value is! -land washes away
Easiest 500 those contractors ever got.
Folks should have used something solid. Aesthetics trumps the smart thing way too often.
Not allowed by town.
“But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.”
This is when you sell after doing the sand thing. Anyone worth their salt knew that sand was a sitting duck in a storm. Come on.
Gotta spend the million on granite instead half on sand.
Do people not understand the scale or insane force of nature? 14k tons of sand may seem like a lot, but it is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Where are your giant boulders like ghe ones the size of a triaxle dump truck they work every type of
Why don’t these people at risk of losing it all just sell while they still can? Seems like no brainer.
It’s unreal how quickly people go from “climate change is a hoax” to “there’s nothing we can do!”
That's awful. I live, right near there.
This is what we former military call putting a bandaid on a huge sucking chest wound.
Sucks to suck
Marshfield has done well with the sea wall for a hot minute now
Also maybe don’t build your house on the fucking beach you clowns
And so castles made of sand Fall into the sea eventually
I hope I’m not in the same insurance pool as these people
Of course it’s the shithole known as Salisbury
You hear the one about the sand dune that drowned? Sadly, it tide.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t hire an engineer at any point. This would have been completely obvious.
I wonder if these places are even insurable?
I feel bad for them I guess they have to go pound sand….
Sand dune?... who's stupid idea was that
These people have more money than common sense
Nature's carbon tax
Oh my goodness! Mr. Guilmette’s tennis court was destroyed! Let’s talk to our state reps and see if we can get public money to safeguard private property. BS. I thought this whole suite of issues was addressed in Chatham decades ago.