Yeah, but if someone isn’t really familiar w Chess like that they oftentimes think you’re just making shit up w that move.
Tbf it does kinda seem a bit silly.
New player - “…and I’ll just move this here.
Chad Grandmaster -“ACtuAlly, you just activated my trap card.”
tell me you don't play chess without telling me you don't play chess
near the end of the game even if you have 1 more pawn than your opponent then you get the advantage.
even near the start and mid game they act as barriers restricting movement for most other pieces if arranged properly.
and they are the only piece that can en passant.
I think the wojak at the end of the curve represents the strongest chess ai ever, alpha zero, who is notorious for sacrificing a pawn any time there's a chance. Like ridiculous amounts
For humans it's different of course, pawns are very important if you don't see millions of possible variations 100 moves ahead
The meme is still wrong, they aren't useless since the act of sacrificing gives alpha zero the tempo to dominate any opponent, but it's funny picture
The reason alphazero was better at one point in time is that it used a learned neural network for board evaluation. It knew which positions have advantages in extremely nuanced ways. Stockfish was refactored to also have a neural net engine for board evaluation, basically because they saw alpha zero do it. Stockfish developed one that was much more fine tuned for chess engines. So stockfish now does what alpha zero used to do except much faster.
I think they blow alpha zero out the water. You find those ai's love to hide pawns in unexpected places and as end game approaches the slow march of pawn to en passant happens. Especially if they are playing against each other. Leela had an interesting game against torch where it snuck it's right side pawn slowly through the game up up up ... It was fantastic to watch. Leela kept it quietly protected the whole time almost unless it had pressure on center or left of the board. Great match. I'll try to find it and update if I do.
grand masters (and regular players like me) sacrifice much more than just pawns to get a better position. its not limited to pawns.
there is a difference between "pawns don't matter" and giving up a pawn to get a better position
and you're gonna have to send me proof of that 1400 cuz i don't believe a 1400 doesn't know the difference between a sacrifice and a piece not mattering
I cannot beat the 1500 elo bot on [chess.com](http://chess.com), i am the worst chess player known to mankind, but I have learned that it will leave pawns to be captured to troll me with some funny move 2 or 3 turns down the line. Chess scares me.
Well you said it yourself, they’re giving up those pawns for tempo or board position. I mainly play chess for fun but I am into competitive fighting games and this is meme is true for mashing. New players mash all the time, intermediate players won’t mash because they understand that’ll get them punished, but advanced players will mash because they understand they need to do that or the opponent will use stronger, greedier options
It’s about understanding when and where to mash. If you never mash on an opponent’s plus frames, a good player will recognize that and take advantage to continue their pressure. It’s essentially a mind game
Ngl it is funny seeing you get downvoted because what you’re saying is right, but just not in a way that people understand. A sacrificial pawn doesn’t mean the pawn didn’t matter, it means you gained advantage by sacrificing it.
You’re being pedantic here. The way he described how pawns get used at high level chess is literally a sacrificial pawn. You sacrifice the pawn for another reason
3700+ elo engines see no problems sacrificing a pawn or two for initiative. Though the stage of the game really does matter. The longer a game goes, the more value a pawn has.
Yeah so when a high ranked player sacrifices a pawn it isn't because they're worthless, it's because they've evaluated the position as worth more than a pawn. You can do the same for any piece.
Lol this person can't Chess. A lot, like A LOT of championship games end because you are down 1 pawn. The romantic era of Chess is dead and gambits are rarer each day with the best players being very positional so giving up a pawn is extremely risky.
A Grandmaster would sacrifice a Queen if it was worth it. Doesn’t make Queen’s any less important than if you were to sacrifice a Pawn. To me it sounds like you’re just a relatively young person and playing Chess makes you feel smart, (despite the fact that a chess rating of 1400 is actually not high at all in the chess community), so you went and made this attempt at a meme to compliment that delusion, but what you didn’t realise is that you *aren’t* very smart because any Grandmaster would tell you that the importance of any given piece is determined by the layout of the board at hand
if you genuinely think that you probably suck at chess. if pawns dont matter then an endgame where you have your king and four pawns while the other side only has their king would end in a draw. if you play half decent then the only way you would lose is if your king and pawns were extremely far apart from eachother.
Good thing I don’t genuinely think that because THIS IS A MEME. I’m 1400 on chess.com and was just talking about how grandmasters sacrifice so many pawns
Typically after gambitting/ sacrificing a pawn, you will either win it back or attack another way. Also it is pretty difficult to win an endgame sometimes when you are down pawns. Also upvoting doesn't nessicarly mean they agree. It is just mindless scrolling.
What I said translates to non-joke language as: "No non-king piece has any inherent importance or necessity to be kept safe. Those are instead based on your strategy, and the state of the board."
So yes, I have sacrificed a pawn and hell even my queen because it made sense. I'm not a Grandmaster, but these kind of strategies are not exclusive to them.
The pawns don't matter assumes that every pawn on the board doesn't matter. Which is not true as a single enemy pawn can royally fuck you up if given the chance. Knowing when to sacrifice to get a better position on the board is best.
Chess pieces aren't equal in value and this value changes based on the position. A pawn close to promotion is worth more than a rook, and you would be willing to sacrifice that rook if it meant that you could promote without threat.
Pawn value is highly variable. Sometimes they can even have *negative* value when they're blocking your pieces.
But in endgame they can be more valuable than a rook.
Pawns don't matter, and neither does any other piece at the start of a game. Importance is based on position, strategy being used, and tactics available throughout an entire game with ever changing variables. That is the beauty of the game.
Then you know all the quotes like pawns are the soul of chess, how pawns are commonly weaknesses to be targeted, how pawns determine structure and color complexes, and how a pawn and half advantage is usually winning
Yeah, but a lot of times you can gain a pawn and a half advantage by leaving them to die. This meme is a gross simplification of the fact that grandmasters like to leave a lot of pawns “hanging” for initiative or tactics
Isn't it moreso that one shouldn't generally be too worried about losing pawns if it gains them a crucial advantage or ability to set up a scheme? Sorta 'you gotta spend money to make money' kinda thing. Message being don't get over attached to pawns, wow this comment is already a novel.
Much more nuanced tho ultimately
Egads a meme has oversimplified a complex life situation once again oh noetry bad poetry
The more I learn about chess the less I can even have an opinion on this.
Idk wtf is happening 100% of the time and play by bluff alone, hoping my opponent will panic when I move the big scary pieces aggressively
I think the real difference is understanding the difference between pawns mattering, and having pawns alive mattering. Pawns can be very powerful but unlike other pieces one pawn can be much stronger than 2 pawns in some cases, so knowing when they matter and not just thinking I have 5 pawns he has 4 = I winning.
Watched 10s of games where grandmasters sacrificed 1 pawn against Magnus early on,
to gain some positional advantage,
And then lost due to 1 passed pawn promoting in the endgame.
Brutally satisfying...
I'm not much of a chess player (I know how to play, but I never put much time into it), but I think the trick with pawns is that they are acceptable sacrifices so long as you are either defending a piece more important to your strategy, or if you are sacrificing specific pawns to trap your opponent down the line.
Those are some insightful uses of pawns. The main point of the meme is that it is a gross simplification of the fact that top level players will appear to throw away pawns for initiative or tactics, like you said.
This is pretty fun because, in real chess, the pieces are points. Check mate is more like the golden snitch in harry potter. It gives you a great amount of points but also forces the ending of the game. You can do a check mate and still lose a game of chess.
Pawns don't matter because they get dragons blight and then murder whole towns while you're asleep unless you sacrifice them to Poseidon beforehand. Oh you mean in chess....
Pawns do matter, its why you must kill them, if they arent sacrificed they revolt and you lose
Exactly they only don't kill you because we put the bag over their head from capturing them from the last chess kingdom as slaves.
I finally get to learn some Chess lore
We only *told* them they weren't queens all along
Pawns matter because they're the only pieces that can en passant
Holy hell!
New response just dropped
Actual zombie
Call the exorcist
Bishop goes on vacation, never comes back
Queen sacrifies, anyone?
Knightmare fuel!
Ignite the chessboard!
Rook in the corner, plotting world domination
call pope francis!
Yeah, but if someone isn’t really familiar w Chess like that they oftentimes think you’re just making shit up w that move. Tbf it does kinda seem a bit silly. New player - “…and I’ll just move this here. Chad Grandmaster -“ACtuAlly, you just activated my trap card.”
You also need them to form the megachessatron
what's that?
Google en passant
HOLY HELL
New response just dropped
Actual zombie
HOLY HELL
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Actual zombie
HOLY HELL
[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=en+passant)
Google dementia
I'm gonna en passant ur mom
Google en passant
I accidentally stabbed myself so I'm not in the mood for that right now
Holly depression
New diagnosis just dropped
Actual blood loss
Call the surgeons
Doctor in the corner plotting arm amputation
arm sacrifice, anyone?
tell me you don't play chess without telling me you don't play chess near the end of the game even if you have 1 more pawn than your opponent then you get the advantage. even near the start and mid game they act as barriers restricting movement for most other pieces if arranged properly. and they are the only piece that can en passant.
I think the wojak at the end of the curve represents the strongest chess ai ever, alpha zero, who is notorious for sacrificing a pawn any time there's a chance. Like ridiculous amounts For humans it's different of course, pawns are very important if you don't see millions of possible variations 100 moves ahead The meme is still wrong, they aren't useless since the act of sacrificing gives alpha zero the tempo to dominate any opponent, but it's funny picture
It's true that the meme is referencing AlphaZero, but it isn't the strongest chess ai of all time, many modern chess engines are stronger
Really? I'm not that up to date, did stockfish, torch and Leela catch up?
From what I know, AlphaZero beat Stockfish 8, and Stockfish has been stronger since version 12 or something The current version is 16
The reason alphazero was better at one point in time is that it used a learned neural network for board evaluation. It knew which positions have advantages in extremely nuanced ways. Stockfish was refactored to also have a neural net engine for board evaluation, basically because they saw alpha zero do it. Stockfish developed one that was much more fine tuned for chess engines. So stockfish now does what alpha zero used to do except much faster.
Leela is basically the non-Google version of Alpha Zero. Less resources, same concept.
I think they blow alpha zero out the water. You find those ai's love to hide pawns in unexpected places and as end game approaches the slow march of pawn to en passant happens. Especially if they are playing against each other. Leela had an interesting game against torch where it snuck it's right side pawn slowly through the game up up up ... It was fantastic to watch. Leela kept it quietly protected the whole time almost unless it had pressure on center or left of the board. Great match. I'll try to find it and update if I do.
Google en passant
[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=en+passant)
You didn't get the meme bro.
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grand masters (and regular players like me) sacrifice much more than just pawns to get a better position. its not limited to pawns. there is a difference between "pawns don't matter" and giving up a pawn to get a better position and you're gonna have to send me proof of that 1400 cuz i don't believe a 1400 doesn't know the difference between a sacrifice and a piece not mattering
When will OP understand 1400 really isn't much
yeah it isn't but if you're 1400 you should atleast know what the grandmasters and regular players are doing when they just give up a pawn
I cannot beat the 1500 elo bot on [chess.com](http://chess.com), i am the worst chess player known to mankind, but I have learned that it will leave pawns to be captured to troll me with some funny move 2 or 3 turns down the line. Chess scares me.
Well you said it yourself, they’re giving up those pawns for tempo or board position. I mainly play chess for fun but I am into competitive fighting games and this is meme is true for mashing. New players mash all the time, intermediate players won’t mash because they understand that’ll get them punished, but advanced players will mash because they understand they need to do that or the opponent will use stronger, greedier options
I don't think advanced players start doing random inputs. there's a difference between throwing out a bunch of moves and having a seizure.
It’s about understanding when and where to mash. If you never mash on an opponent’s plus frames, a good player will recognize that and take advantage to continue their pressure. It’s essentially a mind game
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Ngl it is funny seeing you get downvoted because what you’re saying is right, but just not in a way that people understand. A sacrificial pawn doesn’t mean the pawn didn’t matter, it means you gained advantage by sacrificing it.
So then in the meme the grandmaster saying "pawns don't matter" is wrong. Sacrificial pawns can matter a lot. What are people not understanding?
And he wrote word "sacrificial" exactly where?
You’re being pedantic here. The way he described how pawns get used at high level chess is literally a sacrificial pawn. You sacrifice the pawn for another reason
If you need comment burried in some thread to understand the meme, than it is not a good meme.
Idk why I expected people to be in a joking mood on a memes subreddit…
Pawns are incredibly important, if you have more pawns than your opponent in an end game you'll usually win.
If you have more queens than your opponent in an end game you'll usually win.
Which makes Pawn’s important seeing as they can be promoted to Queens
So I can just order my men to be my wife?
You mean you haven't been doing that?
Chess created in Sparta confirmed
Yes, or to turn into a castle, or a horse, or an elephant.
Who says they’re men? The king is the only male in chess, and he’s having a harem battle with another king
Emperor Nero did
Peasants becoming royalty? What twisted version is this?!
It’s part of the new Monarchy Mutiny update
Male soldiers can become Queens? TERFs will be wanting to ban chess now.
If you have more kings than your opponent in an end game you'll usually win.
If you have more kings than your opponent in an- okay okay that's enough there. Some of these commentors amirite. 🙄
3700+ elo engines see no problems sacrificing a pawn or two for initiative. Though the stage of the game really does matter. The longer a game goes, the more value a pawn has.
Are you 3700?
No, I am the first guy (like 1k elo atm)
Yeah so when a high ranked player sacrifices a pawn it isn't because they're worthless, it's because they've evaluated the position as worth more than a pawn. You can do the same for any piece.
That said, pure queen sacrifices are usually forced checkmate.
all fun and games till pawn is about to promote
For all of those that think that pawns are not important [Immortal Pawns Game](https://youtu.be/r-xTunK0WcY?si=FKVnJatwZQVnjn0w)
Lol this person can't Chess. A lot, like A LOT of championship games end because you are down 1 pawn. The romantic era of Chess is dead and gambits are rarer each day with the best players being very positional so giving up a pawn is extremely risky.
I am 1400 on chess.com, I know how to chess. This is what’s known as a “meme”, and is not necessarily representative of reality.
fucken lmao 1400 and know how to play? I'm 2200 and i still don't know what the fuck I'm doing sometimes
2300 and same I versed a 1600 and almost got rocked
Sometimes I don’t know what the hell I’m doing either 😭😭😭
Barely
Op is the dude on the left lmao
Tell me you never played chess, without telling me you never played chess °_°
What a dumb meme.
This sounds like the 50% isle talking
Tbh, you are looking more and more like the 68% the more you try and justify your shit meme.
"Pawns don't matter" "Why does no one want to work anymore?"
Using this meme template doesn’t make you right, because Pawn’s are incredibly important. Especially in endgame
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A Grandmaster would sacrifice a Queen if it was worth it. Doesn’t make Queen’s any less important than if you were to sacrifice a Pawn. To me it sounds like you’re just a relatively young person and playing Chess makes you feel smart, (despite the fact that a chess rating of 1400 is actually not high at all in the chess community), so you went and made this attempt at a meme to compliment that delusion, but what you didn’t realise is that you *aren’t* very smart because any Grandmaster would tell you that the importance of any given piece is determined by the layout of the board at hand
ITS A JOKE ON A MEME SUBREDDIT I’M SORRY CHESS FANDOM
your "joke" is dumb as shit
Okay????? So are 90% of the sub. You are SCREAMING from the 50% isle.
Just because the majority of the jokes here are stupid doesn't validate you adding to the sea of shit.
if you genuinely think that you probably suck at chess. if pawns dont matter then an endgame where you have your king and four pawns while the other side only has their king would end in a draw. if you play half decent then the only way you would lose is if your king and pawns were extremely far apart from eachother.
Good thing I don’t genuinely think that because THIS IS A MEME. I’m 1400 on chess.com and was just talking about how grandmasters sacrifice so many pawns
Typically after gambitting/ sacrificing a pawn, you will either win it back or attack another way. Also it is pretty difficult to win an endgame sometimes when you are down pawns. Also upvoting doesn't nessicarly mean they agree. It is just mindless scrolling.
Pawns matter, because they can become your queen... Or rook or knight or bishop.
mmmmmMMMMM YES WE KNOW BUT PAWN SACRIFICES ARE COMMON AT THE TOP LEVELS. Holy shit chess fandom idk what I expected
U pipi gonna get bricked. Need pawn en passant.
Pawn matter for sacrifices
They are important but like any other pieces they can be traded for a positioning advantage.
Every non-king piece both matters and doesn't matter. It all depends on how fucked you are currently.
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What I said translates to non-joke language as: "No non-king piece has any inherent importance or necessity to be kept safe. Those are instead based on your strategy, and the state of the board." So yes, I have sacrificed a pawn and hell even my queen because it made sense. I'm not a Grandmaster, but these kind of strategies are not exclusive to them.
Pawns don't matter, until you playing Dragons dogma
A Pawn can wipe the whole board if it catches dragonsplague!
More pawns, more points. But they can be sacrificed for king and country.
Shout out to that one pawn who makes it past enemy lines and gets promoted to Queen.
He’s a real one fr
Google en passant
[holy hell!](https://www.google.com/search?q=en+passant)
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Pawns arent pieces, they're pawns
I thought this was r/Rimworld for a second.
It's somewhere between the two Pawns matter until they don't
Actually nothing matters if you can mate the king
Yur gonna mate the king??????? O:
Pawns are important, and not just because you have to give back preserve pieces
“The queen is no pawn, but the queen is a pawn”
The pawns don't matter assumes that every pawn on the board doesn't matter. Which is not true as a single enemy pawn can royally fuck you up if given the chance. Knowing when to sacrifice to get a better position on the board is best.
pawns do matter theyre potential queens
Pawns only get in the way of the more fun pieces.
But how do you en passant without pawns?
Yeah or else your pipi gonna get bricked
They matter as a sacrifice
They don’t matter, until they do matter, then they matter a lot
Pawns individually don't matter. Pawn chains and control of the midfield does. Sacrifice the pawn, don't sacrifice the chain
Absolutely 100% agree.
Pawns are not pieces.
You can’t checkmate me, that’s a pawn. - reddit
Chess pieces aren't equal in value and this value changes based on the position. A pawn close to promotion is worth more than a rook, and you would be willing to sacrifice that rook if it meant that you could promote without threat.
Pawns matter because all life is equal. Also 3 pawns chained can be just as menacing and annoying to deal with as a single queen
Pawn value is highly variable. Sometimes they can even have *negative* value when they're blocking your pieces. But in endgame they can be more valuable than a rook.
This is absolutely correct. I was just making a gross simplification to make a simple meme
Yeah I had an endgame recently where sacrificing a rook for a pawn led to a win.
Pawns don't matter, and neither does any other piece at the start of a game. Importance is based on position, strategy being used, and tactics available throughout an entire game with ever changing variables. That is the beauty of the game.
I just throw mine into the Brine. I ain't got time for Dragonsplague
Grandmaster behavior
you are not pawns YOU ARE PEASEANT
tell me you don't play chess without telling me you don't play chess.
I’m 1400 chess.com. I play chess.
“I put my opinion on the high end of the IQ spectrum so I’m right.”
^doesnt watch grandmaster commentaries
Pawn lives matter
This meme brought to you by non-chess players
I play chess and am 1400 on chess.com
Then you know all the quotes like pawns are the soul of chess, how pawns are commonly weaknesses to be targeted, how pawns determine structure and color complexes, and how a pawn and half advantage is usually winning
Yeah, but a lot of times you can gain a pawn and a half advantage by leaving them to die. This meme is a gross simplification of the fact that grandmasters like to leave a lot of pawns “hanging” for initiative or tactics
They do matter to a certain extent mostly openings and end games
“Pawn” implies they’re disposable to reach the end goal. It’s right there in the name. But you still need them to reach that end goal.
pawns are important and anyone who plays chess knows it
Pawns are useful because they get in the fucking way
Isn't it moreso that one shouldn't generally be too worried about losing pawns if it gains them a crucial advantage or ability to set up a scheme? Sorta 'you gotta spend money to make money' kinda thing. Message being don't get over attached to pawns, wow this comment is already a novel. Much more nuanced tho ultimately Egads a meme has oversimplified a complex life situation once again oh noetry bad poetry
The chess savants agree that pawns are the finest pieces, they usually are the difference in end-games.
The more I learn about chess the less I can even have an opinion on this. Idk wtf is happening 100% of the time and play by bluff alone, hoping my opponent will panic when I move the big scary pieces aggressively
you can say pawns dont matter but when your queen gets captured you'll change ur tune lmao
Clearly you did not call out anyone OP
Bro have you read these comments??? The chess fandom is HEATED
True, but the pawn is so important Thr pawn is key to victory, your backup
I think the real difference is understanding the difference between pawns mattering, and having pawns alive mattering. Pawns can be very powerful but unlike other pieces one pawn can be much stronger than 2 pawns in some cases, so knowing when they matter and not just thinking I have 5 pawns he has 4 = I winning.
rimworld gameplay
Watched 10s of games where grandmasters sacrificed 1 pawn against Magnus early on, to gain some positional advantage, And then lost due to 1 passed pawn promoting in the endgame. Brutally satisfying...
I'm not much of a chess player (I know how to play, but I never put much time into it), but I think the trick with pawns is that they are acceptable sacrifices so long as you are either defending a piece more important to your strategy, or if you are sacrificing specific pawns to trap your opponent down the line.
Those are some insightful uses of pawns. The main point of the meme is that it is a gross simplification of the fact that top level players will appear to throw away pawns for initiative or tactics, like you said.
Chess has a fandom?
Very much so.
r/anarchychess . Enjoy
This is pretty fun because, in real chess, the pieces are points. Check mate is more like the golden snitch in harry potter. It gives you a great amount of points but also forces the ending of the game. You can do a check mate and still lose a game of chess.
??????? No???
This guy probably moves his king into a checkmate on his own.
He probably just plays a different type of chess than the rest of us…
Checkers
Pawns don't matter because they get dragons blight and then murder whole towns while you're asleep unless you sacrifice them to Poseidon beforehand. Oh you mean in chess....
oh look a stale template
Ooooh sorry I took up your valuable screen space meme god, may I suck your drake long schlong in penance for my crimes?
I am bisexual. Are you attractive, local, and of age? edit: attractive? meh local? TBD of age? In my state? Yes. But yuck
Wild
He looks ok (im more impressed by the 425x2 deadlifts tho)
Awww ty <3
In what universe is 16 of age???
Most of Europe has between 14 and 16. A lot of South America has even lower.
He referenced state as in US state. I know there’s places in Africa with like 11 or whatever.