I want Smart to stay, but I see the argument to trade him. He's injury prone, plays the same position as Bane, and is a quality trade target that most teams would want.
Same. If he is our starting 3 we are super small+ he isn’t a great shooter so while he is a great player he isn’t a seamless fit with Ja and Bane. This plus the fact that both his contract and experience make him the biggest positive trade asset the grizz have that isn’t one of the core 3 or one of Vince/GG(who are both on top good of a contract and have too much upside to trade). I would only trade him though if there was the chance to upgrade to a younger guy who can play more 3-4 instead of 2-3.
It's because we really need a good center right now (like more than we need him) and he is one of the two, the other being kennard, strongest potential trade pieces that we could part with.
Injury prone is a gripe you have with Marcus after the crazy amounts of injuries the entire team accumulated this season? Odd. Yes he plays the same position as Bane but I see him coming off the bench if the team wants the best results. Him being our biggest asset is why I’m saying to at least see what happens before you decide to make a trade.
That doesn’t make it a moot point at all. If the question is whether a single player is injury prone or not, pointing to other players who sustained injuries is just a red herring.
In my opinion this is exactly why it’s such a problem. We need our number 4 guy to be healthier than the core 3 if we’re going to stick to the same core here. If we were at the level denver was when they drafted MPJ and we just needed that last piece badly enough to risk it on someone who is super injury prone I’d feel differently but we aren’t in that position, I don’t know how we could ever expect the current core of the team to be healthy for a playoff run, we need #4 to be there for sure.
*YOU* see him coming off the bench but does **he** see himself coming off the bench? Is a guy coming off the bench paid that sort of money? You think he won’t request a trade?
You’ve vocalized the most straightforward aspect of his presence on the team: he does not fit into the starting lineup and he’s not a wing. Of the many things he can rightfully feel entitled to over his career, being a guard has to be among them. And the Grizzlies offense & defense isn’t made for a three guard lineup.
A lot of people like Marcus Smart. I count myself among them. In fact, I feel like I thought he was a good addition to the team after the trade when a lot of people were skeptical. But the landscape has changed. I don’t think people arguing for keeping him are being realistic about how a player like him fits the lineup.
And, not for nothing, the *”We’ll never trade Smart!”* crowd is, comically, also the *”Well, of course the Cavs are itching to get rid of Jarrett Allen! Why on Earth would they keep him?!”* crowd.
Smart off the bench cool. But it seems like they want to start him. Giving us 3 players 6’4 under starting doesn’t seem … smart. Vince doesn’t need the ball (and when he does can pass ok) and is more efficient.
If we can find a better fit sure, but I would only trade him for a starting caliber wing fit such as a Mikal Bridges(not happening) or a longer more athletic starting wing with winning experience such as smart. I would not trade him for a center as we can find someone in draft or FA/smaller trade. Smarts worth is recognized by the whole league especially younger teams which we still are. Lot of Smart doubters after only watching him with the big 3 for 7 games. If he stays I feel like we’re going to have to cook a lot of crow for people to eat.
Its not that he isn't good. It's that he's not better than bane, so we're forcing him into the 3 spot, and that gives us an absolutely miniscule backcourt + wing. Zero size. No length. He'd be a good fit on a team that needs a 2 guard. He'd be a good fit for us if he was 4 inches taller, maybe.
Eh he guards bigger guys, he has his whole career. He also has an underrated wingspan at 6’9 which people forget. He also brings the dog mentality. People are quick to judge after him getting into a whole new system without Ja and a injured team after 9 seasons with the Celtics, he only played 20 games and would have played more if Ja and the whole team didn’t get derailed… they sat him the rest of the season for a reason. He’s a winning player and will help any team. But like I said if we can find a better fit when it comes to winning experience and position at the wing…sure, but there’s few I would trade him for.
He barely played last season and he has missed a LOT of time with injury esp in recent years, which is another reason I don't love the fit, but I generally agree we won't be finding a wing as good as he is a 2 guard, that's not very easily attainable
I think people are talking about trading him bc he is valuable, and we never even saw him play so nobody's really attached to him, and we have no evidence that he makes the team better (although I'm sure he does, it's just *how much, better). That's why there's so much trade talk about him, in my opinion, anyway
True, his value is high as of right now, teams covet him and what he brings as you hear it in trade talks all the time from other teams. I’m good with him staying and I’m good with trading him, it would just have to be the right trade which is few. But I’d hate to ship him off without seeing what the team could be. There’s always the trade deadline if it’s not working out. Where his value might be higher because teams are usually more desperate to get playoff tested players around that time.
You’re right. We never shoulda traded for him. Dumb as bricks trade. If you actually look at the value each team got and paid I’m not exaggerating it’s one of the worst deals I’ve seen in the past couple years.
You literally can’t spin that trade to where we are the winners of it.
I like Smart, but the fit was always going to be questionable when everyone was healthy. Yes, he can defend bigger guys, but he's a natural guard, and always has been. He's not Tony Allen, who really couldn't play effectively as a guard because of his lack of guard skills. Given that we've already lost a season essentially to injuries, I'd rather not spend another half a season trying to "figure it out" by shoe-horning Smart in and hoping he's happy with his role (particularly offensively). He's also the perfect combination of trade-friendly cap number plus actual proven starter-level value we have on our roster right now, so it's only natural to want to use him as trade currency as well.
I agree Marcus is an amazing player and gold for the locker room, but he's a bit of a luxury with the emergence of VWJ (in terms of defensive versatility). Not saying we should trade him because I think we can still get a quality big either at our pick or by trading back. But if trading him meant getting someone like Jarret Allen, then it would be foolish not to consider.
I'm not against trading him if we get a significant upgrade like Mikal Bridges or Jarrett Allen but i don't see that happening.
The section of the fanbase that wants to trade him and start GG/Vince however, are insane. I love both of them but i'm not relying on two second year players in a year we're trying to contend for a championship.
Ja gets more space to work when we have more shooting on the floor and right now Smart is just the odd man out. Yes, he's a good defender, but this isn't grit and grind anymore and he's unfortunately undersized. Smart's 20 million could go a long way in making our starting five stronger.
The other factor is that Smart's contract is the one that matches up with a lot of these other teams' bigs. So it's a natural inclination to match salary using his contract.
Unless we get some unreal deal, I think he’ll stay for at least a year. I can see us trading him next year if we don’t make a deep run, might as well while he still has value.
I think people are re-litigating the original trade. Smart hasn't gotten any shorter. Bane is still playing the #2. JJJ doesn't "like" him is nonsense: this is the NBA, not middle school.
They are… but then we’ve had one year since then and we’ve had some promising wings emerge that are cheaper and lost Steven Adams. In a vacuum if you had the rest of the roster without smart and 20m to spend you wouldn’t necessarily allocate the money to smart. Not to say he’s not a great guy for the team… to me it’s more nuanced and just depends on the trade that’s on the table. If you could use him to get Jarret Allen then I would… but if it was to get the 3rd pick in this draft then I’d be hesitant.
Cus he can’t stay healthy and he’s 30 which means he’s on the downward side of his career
He has trade value and we only have a few more years of being able to afford our core group all at the same time
The logic for trading Smart has to be the same logic that expects the Cavs to trade Allen.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t think Allen and Mobley can’t exist on the same team while thinking Smart can coexist with Ja & Bane. You can’t think we want to keep Smart and load up on aces and think the Cavs *don’t* see Allen similarly. You can’t think the Cavs are ONLY concerned with having a solid starting 5 & see Allen as superfluous if he’s not in it while thinking that Smart is coming off the bench. You can’t argue that Allen is so good that he’s a dream target that the Cavs are totally willing to part with while thinking Smart is staying put. You can’t think Allen is going to want out of Cleveland because he’s not starting but think Smart will be fine coming off the bench in Memphis.
It just doesn’t work that way. And you know who you are. There’s a venn diagram for the overlap between the people who think the Cavs are parting with Allen and the people who think we will keep Smart and that venn diagram is just a circle.
Because this place is an echo chamber. As soon as something gets upvoted, everyone runs with it. Most posts are Clingan, Allen, Hartenstein with Smart, and Kennard being the ones to trade.
It doesn't matter what size Smart is or that he plays the same position as Bane. He's a wing (SG, SF), and we will use him the same way we did Brooks. Brooks never came off the bench. Why? Because he was defending the opponents best player, same with Smart.
Also, many are too hung up on 1st team and 2nd team. We don't have that. We have staggers rotations. Smart will always play with Ja. Bane will always head to the bench early and come back in and run the offense when Ja sits. We always have starters out there. We are not the Denver Nuggets
The only way we trade Smart is if the FO thinks VWJ is ready to start. To me, you have to give him until at least All-Star break to prove himself, as players tend to regress the following year when there is tape on them. Give me Smart over VWJ in the playoffs all day.
A center is not hard to find. We don't need to move heaven and earth to get one. Just need a big who can screen and get rebounds so JJJ can go back to being an All Star
I don't think this fan base is serious about winning. Much happier being able to call ourselves a young team outplaying expectations.
We have our 1-4 in Ja Bane GG JJJ
Hopefully the FO does the right things and gets the best big man in the draft.
That's a young core of starters. From there we need DEFENSE and veteran leadership. Idk how that gets better than Marcus Smart?
If Smart stays and we bring in a non-shooting center, the only above average shooter in our starting line up is Bane.
Given that Ja is one of the players who benefits from spacing the most, we need to consider how we improve our spacing in the starting line up.
So if we are serious about winning we have to consider replacing Smart.
Thats the same situation as 21-22 and 22-23 seasons though. Adams JJJ Ja Brooks and Bane.
Adams and Brooks provided zero outside threat and the team did well because of defense and rebounding.
Yeah, with Adams we could be 24th in true shooting and be the 5th best offense because we were the best offensive rebounding team in the league. We no longer have that luxury.
Vince and BC can defend, no doubt
That wasn't the point Iwas making tho. We have our core 3. We're adding who I think would be the #1 pick this year at SF and another hopefully cornerstone C.
So if we've got an exciting young starting 5, I think a veteran leader who specializes in defense can raise everyone's game. We could probably even use another one in that mold.
Dropped you an upvote. It's crazy that a Houston beat writer comes out with a preposterous trade. Trading Smart to move up to 5. With his bs sources and bs reason why. Then the next day, you see a beat writer for grizz saying we aren't trading Smart. Fans quick to act like he's on the trading block from a fucking rumor mill with no actual sources
Because he’s one of the few tradable assets we have that has real value, and because there’s some thought that Boston knew something when they let him go and he’s never going to be the player we want him to be.
I think we should trade him. He's already in his 30s and he's injury prone. Plus, how far is a starting lineup of Ja, Bane and Smart really taking us? Ja and Bane are not good defenders, which means we have one perimeter defender on the court. And Smart cannot guard wings very well, so he would only be able to matchup with elite guards. I don't wanna just trade him to trade him, but if we can get a quality 3 or a stretch 5, im all for it
I’m not completely against trading smart but you undersell his abilities here, he can guard pretty much any player in the league that isn’t an Embiid/Jokic, we’ve seen do well against wings in the past
I think Bane is a good defender, it’s only his wingspan that limits his ability on that side of the floor
I trust the front office on the extent to which smart’s veteran presence and role as a mentor to the team is valuable… but we have a lot of really good guards and no playoff-caliber starting center right now. Marcus smart strikes the balance between a player that other teams can benefit from and a player that we would be okay without when we analyze this whole thing thru a fan’s lens.
Personally, I don't want to trade him unless the offer is significantly in our favor. If that offer comes, then we really don't have many other assets to move to upgrade. I don't think guys like LaRavia or Ziaire are very valuable.
The other reason why people are pointing to Smart is because of the emergence of VWJ last year. Him and Smart are relatively similar players (obviously Smart is better), but a lineup with both would be poor in spacing. We acquired Smart before VWJ emerged as another option for main stopper. Trading VWJ doesn't make much sense given how cheap he is, even though he would fetch a decent return too. Smart's contract would get close to matching up with a veteran C.
Getting a good center whether it's Clingan or a veteran is the missing piece. I think VWJ plus that center is a better outcome than Smart plus a lower tier center (for example, a reach for a Ware type talent at 9).
I really don't think we should give up Smart for Clingon.
To me he is our main back up PG on offense and key defender at SF. I think we will not get Clingon, and I am for settling for Edey. And if we have Edey, we need as many Dawgs as we can to cover him, and Smart is the dawgest of the dawgs.
I love Vince too, but I love Vince plus Smart more.
It was a stupid trade at the time and not surprising they’re thinking of walking it back maybe.
It just made no sense to pair bane and ja with smart. Never did. Also doesn’t make any sense to give Boston a title either but that’s neither here nor there.
Should we trade him? Honestly idk it totally depends on the deal. I think he is valuable as a player the fit just fuckin sucks ass.
Why didn’t WE trade for KP…..he obv was gettable as fuck bc Boston damn near got him for free. I guess we wanted to pay more for Marcus than Boston paid for KP? When we are the team that didn’t have a center above 6’7? Idk. Still pisses me off
Sure, we were the ones who gave Boston the championship
Not Brooklyn who literally made the worst trade of all time with them, or Philadelphia who’s horrific drafting lead to the Jays being on the same team or Milwaukee indirectly getting Jrue to Boston
I heard it on a radio show.. can’t remember which episode but a guy close to the team said it. Tbh Im not gonna go back & re-listen to everything to find it for you. time will tell.
I’m not saying it’s true or false but I certainly didn’t make it up. It lines up with the sudden shift in narrative as well. Agents meddle with narratives to reporters & reporters will lie or tell certain truths to keep access.
The trade rumors came outta left field from multiple reporters... & it appears to be for non-basketball reasons. Smart did nothing last season to demonstrate he wasn’t a fit on the court.
You for sure are just misremembering a weird dream you had. No one has ever said this Jaren and smart don’t get along.
“This lines up with the sudden shift in narrative” is meaningless. Literally saying “this thing I made lines up with this other thing I’m making up”
I’m not calling you a liar - I’m saying you’re misperceiving your dreams / hallucinations as reality. Hope this helps!
If that had actually been said it would be more than easy to find proof of such a topic. Unfortunately for you, no such luck because it didn’t happen.
I want Smart to stay, but I see the argument to trade him. He's injury prone, plays the same position as Bane, and is a quality trade target that most teams would want.
Same. If he is our starting 3 we are super small+ he isn’t a great shooter so while he is a great player he isn’t a seamless fit with Ja and Bane. This plus the fact that both his contract and experience make him the biggest positive trade asset the grizz have that isn’t one of the core 3 or one of Vince/GG(who are both on top good of a contract and have too much upside to trade). I would only trade him though if there was the chance to upgrade to a younger guy who can play more 3-4 instead of 2-3.
It's because we really need a good center right now (like more than we need him) and he is one of the two, the other being kennard, strongest potential trade pieces that we could part with.
Injury prone is a gripe you have with Marcus after the crazy amounts of injuries the entire team accumulated this season? Odd. Yes he plays the same position as Bane but I see him coming off the bench if the team wants the best results. Him being our biggest asset is why I’m saying to at least see what happens before you decide to make a trade.
That other players also had injuries this season should have no impact on whether you are considering Smart injury prone.
Just saying it’s a moot point because we saw most of our team shatter like panes of glass.
That doesn’t make it a moot point at all. If the question is whether a single player is injury prone or not, pointing to other players who sustained injuries is just a red herring.
In my opinion this is exactly why it’s such a problem. We need our number 4 guy to be healthier than the core 3 if we’re going to stick to the same core here. If we were at the level denver was when they drafted MPJ and we just needed that last piece badly enough to risk it on someone who is super injury prone I’d feel differently but we aren’t in that position, I don’t know how we could ever expect the current core of the team to be healthy for a playoff run, we need #4 to be there for sure.
*YOU* see him coming off the bench but does **he** see himself coming off the bench? Is a guy coming off the bench paid that sort of money? You think he won’t request a trade? You’ve vocalized the most straightforward aspect of his presence on the team: he does not fit into the starting lineup and he’s not a wing. Of the many things he can rightfully feel entitled to over his career, being a guard has to be among them. And the Grizzlies offense & defense isn’t made for a three guard lineup. A lot of people like Marcus Smart. I count myself among them. In fact, I feel like I thought he was a good addition to the team after the trade when a lot of people were skeptical. But the landscape has changed. I don’t think people arguing for keeping him are being realistic about how a player like him fits the lineup. And, not for nothing, the *”We’ll never trade Smart!”* crowd is, comically, also the *”Well, of course the Cavs are itching to get rid of Jarrett Allen! Why on Earth would they keep him?!”* crowd.
Smart off the bench cool. But it seems like they want to start him. Giving us 3 players 6’4 under starting doesn’t seem … smart. Vince doesn’t need the ball (and when he does can pass ok) and is more efficient.
The trade just made no sense still doesn’t. Just such a bizarre trade. Even worse considering we p much gave Boston their 29th title or whatever.
If we can find a better fit sure, but I would only trade him for a starting caliber wing fit such as a Mikal Bridges(not happening) or a longer more athletic starting wing with winning experience such as smart. I would not trade him for a center as we can find someone in draft or FA/smaller trade. Smarts worth is recognized by the whole league especially younger teams which we still are. Lot of Smart doubters after only watching him with the big 3 for 7 games. If he stays I feel like we’re going to have to cook a lot of crow for people to eat.
Its not that he isn't good. It's that he's not better than bane, so we're forcing him into the 3 spot, and that gives us an absolutely miniscule backcourt + wing. Zero size. No length. He'd be a good fit on a team that needs a 2 guard. He'd be a good fit for us if he was 4 inches taller, maybe.
Eh he guards bigger guys, he has his whole career. He also has an underrated wingspan at 6’9 which people forget. He also brings the dog mentality. People are quick to judge after him getting into a whole new system without Ja and a injured team after 9 seasons with the Celtics, he only played 20 games and would have played more if Ja and the whole team didn’t get derailed… they sat him the rest of the season for a reason. He’s a winning player and will help any team. But like I said if we can find a better fit when it comes to winning experience and position at the wing…sure, but there’s few I would trade him for.
He barely played last season and he has missed a LOT of time with injury esp in recent years, which is another reason I don't love the fit, but I generally agree we won't be finding a wing as good as he is a 2 guard, that's not very easily attainable I think people are talking about trading him bc he is valuable, and we never even saw him play so nobody's really attached to him, and we have no evidence that he makes the team better (although I'm sure he does, it's just *how much, better). That's why there's so much trade talk about him, in my opinion, anyway
True, his value is high as of right now, teams covet him and what he brings as you hear it in trade talks all the time from other teams. I’m good with him staying and I’m good with trading him, it would just have to be the right trade which is few. But I’d hate to ship him off without seeing what the team could be. There’s always the trade deadline if it’s not working out. Where his value might be higher because teams are usually more desperate to get playoff tested players around that time.
You’re right. We never shoulda traded for him. Dumb as bricks trade. If you actually look at the value each team got and paid I’m not exaggerating it’s one of the worst deals I’ve seen in the past couple years. You literally can’t spin that trade to where we are the winners of it.
Smart for PG, straight up
Hell no lol
I like Smart, but the fit was always going to be questionable when everyone was healthy. Yes, he can defend bigger guys, but he's a natural guard, and always has been. He's not Tony Allen, who really couldn't play effectively as a guard because of his lack of guard skills. Given that we've already lost a season essentially to injuries, I'd rather not spend another half a season trying to "figure it out" by shoe-horning Smart in and hoping he's happy with his role (particularly offensively). He's also the perfect combination of trade-friendly cap number plus actual proven starter-level value we have on our roster right now, so it's only natural to want to use him as trade currency as well.
I agree Marcus is an amazing player and gold for the locker room, but he's a bit of a luxury with the emergence of VWJ (in terms of defensive versatility). Not saying we should trade him because I think we can still get a quality big either at our pick or by trading back. But if trading him meant getting someone like Jarret Allen, then it would be foolish not to consider.
I'm not against trading him if we get a significant upgrade like Mikal Bridges or Jarrett Allen but i don't see that happening. The section of the fanbase that wants to trade him and start GG/Vince however, are insane. I love both of them but i'm not relying on two second year players in a year we're trying to contend for a championship.
I hate to break it to the fanbase, we're not competing for a chip this season. 25-26 is our year.
Lies!
Damn each season our “year” keeps getting pushed back. Our year was 22-23 but you never realize your time until it’s passed honestly.
ITS A PARADE INSIDE MY CITY…in like two years maybe?
Ja gets more space to work when we have more shooting on the floor and right now Smart is just the odd man out. Yes, he's a good defender, but this isn't grit and grind anymore and he's unfortunately undersized. Smart's 20 million could go a long way in making our starting five stronger. The other factor is that Smart's contract is the one that matches up with a lot of these other teams' bigs. So it's a natural inclination to match salary using his contract.
I just think we need a big more than Smart.
Some people are silly and wear silly pants
Unless we get some unreal deal, I think he’ll stay for at least a year. I can see us trading him next year if we don’t make a deep run, might as well while he still has value.
I think people are re-litigating the original trade. Smart hasn't gotten any shorter. Bane is still playing the #2. JJJ doesn't "like" him is nonsense: this is the NBA, not middle school.
They are… but then we’ve had one year since then and we’ve had some promising wings emerge that are cheaper and lost Steven Adams. In a vacuum if you had the rest of the roster without smart and 20m to spend you wouldn’t necessarily allocate the money to smart. Not to say he’s not a great guy for the team… to me it’s more nuanced and just depends on the trade that’s on the table. If you could use him to get Jarret Allen then I would… but if it was to get the 3rd pick in this draft then I’d be hesitant.
Yeah I think people are just warming to the fact the trade actually was just dumb at the time. No new information has emerged at all.
Cus he can’t stay healthy and he’s 30 which means he’s on the downward side of his career He has trade value and we only have a few more years of being able to afford our core group all at the same time
The logic for trading Smart has to be the same logic that expects the Cavs to trade Allen. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t think Allen and Mobley can’t exist on the same team while thinking Smart can coexist with Ja & Bane. You can’t think we want to keep Smart and load up on aces and think the Cavs *don’t* see Allen similarly. You can’t think the Cavs are ONLY concerned with having a solid starting 5 & see Allen as superfluous if he’s not in it while thinking that Smart is coming off the bench. You can’t argue that Allen is so good that he’s a dream target that the Cavs are totally willing to part with while thinking Smart is staying put. You can’t think Allen is going to want out of Cleveland because he’s not starting but think Smart will be fine coming off the bench in Memphis. It just doesn’t work that way. And you know who you are. There’s a venn diagram for the overlap between the people who think the Cavs are parting with Allen and the people who think we will keep Smart and that venn diagram is just a circle.
The only reason I see for trading Smart away is to acquire a game changer at a position of need… so basically just Jarrett Allen at this point.
Because this place is an echo chamber. As soon as something gets upvoted, everyone runs with it. Most posts are Clingan, Allen, Hartenstein with Smart, and Kennard being the ones to trade. It doesn't matter what size Smart is or that he plays the same position as Bane. He's a wing (SG, SF), and we will use him the same way we did Brooks. Brooks never came off the bench. Why? Because he was defending the opponents best player, same with Smart. Also, many are too hung up on 1st team and 2nd team. We don't have that. We have staggers rotations. Smart will always play with Ja. Bane will always head to the bench early and come back in and run the offense when Ja sits. We always have starters out there. We are not the Denver Nuggets The only way we trade Smart is if the FO thinks VWJ is ready to start. To me, you have to give him until at least All-Star break to prove himself, as players tend to regress the following year when there is tape on them. Give me Smart over VWJ in the playoffs all day. A center is not hard to find. We don't need to move heaven and earth to get one. Just need a big who can screen and get rebounds so JJJ can go back to being an All Star
I don't think this fan base is serious about winning. Much happier being able to call ourselves a young team outplaying expectations. We have our 1-4 in Ja Bane GG JJJ Hopefully the FO does the right things and gets the best big man in the draft. That's a young core of starters. From there we need DEFENSE and veteran leadership. Idk how that gets better than Marcus Smart?
If Smart stays and we bring in a non-shooting center, the only above average shooter in our starting line up is Bane. Given that Ja is one of the players who benefits from spacing the most, we need to consider how we improve our spacing in the starting line up. So if we are serious about winning we have to consider replacing Smart.
Thats the same situation as 21-22 and 22-23 seasons though. Adams JJJ Ja Brooks and Bane. Adams and Brooks provided zero outside threat and the team did well because of defense and rebounding.
Yeah, with Adams we could be 24th in true shooting and be the 5th best offense because we were the best offensive rebounding team in the league. We no longer have that luxury.
You mentioned defense and not Vince, why
Vince and BC can defend, no doubt That wasn't the point Iwas making tho. We have our core 3. We're adding who I think would be the #1 pick this year at SF and another hopefully cornerstone C. So if we've got an exciting young starting 5, I think a veteran leader who specializes in defense can raise everyone's game. We could probably even use another one in that mold.
Pretty much sums up what I think about this team often.
u/toftr I wanted good basketball discussions and I got it. All it cost me was a 0 upvote post. WORTH IT
Dropped you an upvote. It's crazy that a Houston beat writer comes out with a preposterous trade. Trading Smart to move up to 5. With his bs sources and bs reason why. Then the next day, you see a beat writer for grizz saying we aren't trading Smart. Fans quick to act like he's on the trading block from a fucking rumor mill with no actual sources
Because he’s one of the few tradable assets we have that has real value, and because there’s some thought that Boston knew something when they let him go and he’s never going to be the player we want him to be.
I think we should trade him. He's already in his 30s and he's injury prone. Plus, how far is a starting lineup of Ja, Bane and Smart really taking us? Ja and Bane are not good defenders, which means we have one perimeter defender on the court. And Smart cannot guard wings very well, so he would only be able to matchup with elite guards. I don't wanna just trade him to trade him, but if we can get a quality 3 or a stretch 5, im all for it
I’m not completely against trading smart but you undersell his abilities here, he can guard pretty much any player in the league that isn’t an Embiid/Jokic, we’ve seen do well against wings in the past I think Bane is a good defender, it’s only his wingspan that limits his ability on that side of the floor
I trust the front office on the extent to which smart’s veteran presence and role as a mentor to the team is valuable… but we have a lot of really good guards and no playoff-caliber starting center right now. Marcus smart strikes the balance between a player that other teams can benefit from and a player that we would be okay without when we analyze this whole thing thru a fan’s lens.
Personally, I don't want to trade him unless the offer is significantly in our favor. If that offer comes, then we really don't have many other assets to move to upgrade. I don't think guys like LaRavia or Ziaire are very valuable. The other reason why people are pointing to Smart is because of the emergence of VWJ last year. Him and Smart are relatively similar players (obviously Smart is better), but a lineup with both would be poor in spacing. We acquired Smart before VWJ emerged as another option for main stopper. Trading VWJ doesn't make much sense given how cheap he is, even though he would fetch a decent return too. Smart's contract would get close to matching up with a veteran C. Getting a good center whether it's Clingan or a veteran is the missing piece. I think VWJ plus that center is a better outcome than Smart plus a lower tier center (for example, a reach for a Ware type talent at 9).
I really don't think we should give up Smart for Clingon. To me he is our main back up PG on offense and key defender at SF. I think we will not get Clingon, and I am for settling for Edey. And if we have Edey, we need as many Dawgs as we can to cover him, and Smart is the dawgest of the dawgs. I love Vince too, but I love Vince plus Smart more.
It was a stupid trade at the time and not surprising they’re thinking of walking it back maybe. It just made no sense to pair bane and ja with smart. Never did. Also doesn’t make any sense to give Boston a title either but that’s neither here nor there. Should we trade him? Honestly idk it totally depends on the deal. I think he is valuable as a player the fit just fuckin sucks ass. Why didn’t WE trade for KP…..he obv was gettable as fuck bc Boston damn near got him for free. I guess we wanted to pay more for Marcus than Boston paid for KP? When we are the team that didn’t have a center above 6’7? Idk. Still pisses me off
Hes not what we need honestly Our trade gave the celtics a championship
Sure, we were the ones who gave Boston the championship Not Brooklyn who literally made the worst trade of all time with them, or Philadelphia who’s horrific drafting lead to the Jays being on the same team or Milwaukee indirectly getting Jrue to Boston
This is a ridiculous statement
I mean it got them Porzingis and Holliday. I don't see how anybody could argue they didn't get the better deal on that trade.
Thank you….was hoping I didnt have to explain that.
It's very obvious that Marcus won't be a starter for the team he will be a bench guy and for the kinda money Marcus wants he is a better trade asset.
I'd rather trade Kennard - Smart has that dawg in him and the Grizz miss than since dillon left
A team got rid of him and immediately won a chip
I asked this same question earlier! I agree with everything you said!
let marcus play first. geez
Probably cuz the rumor that JJJ don’t like him is true.
This ain’t high school, show me the source.
Y’all haven’t heard this yet?
Who said it and when? Drop the link.
He can’t / won’t because it never happened lol
I heard it on a radio show.. can’t remember which episode but a guy close to the team said it. Tbh Im not gonna go back & re-listen to everything to find it for you. time will tell. I’m not saying it’s true or false but I certainly didn’t make it up. It lines up with the sudden shift in narrative as well. Agents meddle with narratives to reporters & reporters will lie or tell certain truths to keep access. The trade rumors came outta left field from multiple reporters... & it appears to be for non-basketball reasons. Smart did nothing last season to demonstrate he wasn’t a fit on the court.
You for sure are just misremembering a weird dream you had. No one has ever said this Jaren and smart don’t get along. “This lines up with the sudden shift in narrative” is meaningless. Literally saying “this thing I made lines up with this other thing I’m making up”
If you want to call me a liar you can lick my balls bitch.
I’m not calling you a liar - I’m saying you’re misperceiving your dreams / hallucinations as reality. Hope this helps! If that had actually been said it would be more than easy to find proof of such a topic. Unfortunately for you, no such luck because it didn’t happen.
That’s exactly what you’re doing so you can go fuck yourself.
Very clever comeback - was one of my favorites in 1st grade.
times change, we're also in a bad spot in the draft