I bought a 2016 GTS with 5k miles and absolutely love love love it. Better that the 911 GTS I had before.
https://preview.redd.it/woryiiiea93d1.jpeg?width=1455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=028fa2b0f1ff7c0827aeb7d8ccfbf0538287435c
It was 3 months ago. It was a local car that I saw at a storage facility and I reached out to the owner. Took a few months t soften him to the idea of a sale. The low mileage was key and he allowed me to have the dealer so a very extensive inspection.
It’s a little stiff but not to bad. It’s my daily driver however I live in town and walk almost everywhere. There are hundreds of 911’s around here but rarely do we see this car. One of the deciding factors for me.
What? I dont know of any AMG GT owners who have been having regular expensive issues with their cars - the services aren't any worse than Porsche services, mostly cheaper even for annuals, and 911s have no problem holding their value much better.
I have a 2020 GTR carbon ceramic brakes, Renntech stage 2 and I’ve never had a lick of trouble with it.
https://preview.redd.it/dc745mq6wc3d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=061d4299afd4f2351d756c7c0a282a1c72b09ae0
no, not really. 911 have mad impressive aerodynamics, you don’t see people go crazy over the aero bits of an AMG as much as they care for the engine. besides when you mention AMG a lot of people immediately think of a four door V8 car with 500ish horsepower.
It's the other way around the amg is about aerodynamics, the engine is two generations past when AMG was about engines, though the 'hot V' was a big deal in its time. A 4L turbo V8 is what the Germans agreed to make, it's the best within the rules but not to go crazy over. Now porsche's 4 liter 6 on the other hand is a ripper. 911 are too about aero but more about weight and a flat 6 hanging over the rear
Warranties are carefully written to exclude as much of what could possibly go wrong as possible.
In the small print issues from seal failures, loss of lubricant, loom issues, water ingress, abrasion, loss of hydraulic fluids etc etc are all excluded. ie anything that normally causes a problem.
It’s not the protection you think it is. Someone is making a profit from that warranty, and you’re the one paying for it (one way or another).
If you’re used to buying lower to mid level used cars so be it. Buying an high line AMG would be risky to some. I could care less about spending the extra money on a warranty. I don’t think replacing an AMG engine or transmission is inexpensive and the peace of mind would be worth it to some.
Sure - peace of mind - its probably $25,000 or so for a new crate engine from AMG - same as my Cayman/911/4C/ect. If you couldn't stomach that, then yeah, you want a warranty, if thats not really a big deal, then you dont need the warranty.
Im just really pushing back against the concept of "if you cant afford one owner, warranty, low miles then you cant afford the car" - because you can save a bundle of money *long term* if you are financially A-OK absorbing the risk of a non-pristine car, which I am, and I have. Over the last 8 years, its probably saved me close to $50,000 just not being anal about the one-owner-new-still-under-warranty thing, and I havent really had any issues that a warranty would have been a game changer for because I only buy well maintained cars (and then continue to maintain them well)
That 50k savings literally becomes negative if you pop one motor on an AMG, Porsche or M car. You’re looking at about $55k-$65k for a full engine replacement on the AMG or M. I went through 3 engines on my .1 GT3, all covered under warranty, and the total cost per engine was around $80k. A PDK replacement can range anywhere from $30k-$70k. One day you’ll get hit.
The simple fact that warranty companies are profitable means it is statistically less likely that I will come out in a favorable position compared to them long term.
Like others have said, they are profitable because their risk is spread over the entire line of vehicles they cover. High end performance vehicles are undoubtedly close to a net zero or a net negative in many cases. I really doubt warranty companies made any profit on GT350’s and .1 GT3’s that were pretty much guaranteed a motor replacement. One day you’re gonna be sitting in a SA’s office, looking like a dumbass, facing an out of warranty repair bill that’s close to the value of your vehicle.
You don’t think they modify warranty prices for the risk profile of the vehicle?
There’s no obligation or even an incentive for them to cover vehicles at all - much less operate at a loss for a specific category or model of vehicle.
“Yeah you lose money at the casino, but all you have to do is hit one jackpot to make it all back. The casino actually loses money on some machines” lmao
By the time your factory warranty ends, aftermarket warranty companies have plllennttyy of data for each specific model to price a warranty that puts them healthily in the green.
The incentive is to keep customers buying the manufacturer’s cars. If Porsche didn’t step up to add a no questions asked 10yr, 100,000 mile warranty to GT3’s their brand would have faced irreparable harm.
The invoice cost of warranties varies little between anything but supercars. The invoice price for warranties on my GT3, F80 M3, GT500, and Toyota Tacoma were nearly the same.
The casino analogy doesn’t fit at all. This is more like Costco continuing to sell food court stuff at a loss because it keeps their customers loyal and coming back to buy other things.
I’ve spent less than $10k on warranties and had over $350k in repairs covered by them.
I’m not going to waste anymore time with someone who thinks extended warranties that you pay for, (not the same as an extended coverage action like the GT3 engine or Ford Powershift) are loss leaders looool.
Re your bills - “I made money at the Casino so they are a great choice financially”
Why in the world would you not pay $3-4k for a comprehensive warranty on a $100k sports car that was owned by Joe Schmoe before you?
Even if it had regular maintenance done, and was low mileage, and one owner, you have no idea how Joe drove that car or how he treated it.
Spending $103k to get a CPO (or a 3P warranty) instead of $100k without is an absolute no brainer for high end vehicles.
Even if you’re financially sound, no one wants to shell out $25,000 if they don’t have to…
The simple fact that warranty companies are profitable means that it is statistically unlikely that an extended warranty will be in your favor financially.
Nah they make money from the poor souls who buy extended warranties for Toyotas, Hondas, etc.
That revenue offsets the losses from the AMG, Range Rover, and BMW M owners.
That’s bullshit.
They don’t take losses on their products - they adjust the price to account for the increased risk, hence why Range Rover extended warranties are more expensive than Porsche extended Warranties, ect.
The fact that this is 2024 is what would make me wanted to get an extended warranty on everything. They don’t build cars like they did even 10 years ago
I bought an extended warranty on a 2015 AMG GLK 250 turbo diesel that I bought in 2018. (BTW, the AMG package for this model is just cosmetic). Never had a problem with the engine, but the emissions system for the diesel went completely wonky, and I was able to get the entire system replaced under my warranty. Mercedes then decided to do a recall and replace the entire emissions system again AND provide me with a complimentary extended warranty. So, just saying that there is a time and a place for an extended warranty if you don't like financial surprises.
Try looking at parts prices, like 8k for a set of front rotors if it has the carbon ceramic rotors. And of course with any low volume car, parts are hard to find and expensive when you do and due to low volume, not a lot of aftermarket so you're stuck with OEM part prices at the dealer.
no bullshit.. Most dealers in fact recommend this... [https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309349](https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309349)
Thats actually quite reasonable for Carbon Ceramic Rotors. Its close to $20,000 for rotor replacement on Z06s.
I personally wouldnt really call these cars "low volume" - they made over 17,000 of them - more than 3 times what was produced for my 4C and my 4C was really easy to get parts for.
$20,000 Z06 rotor replacements? Dude!?! Please come see me next time you need it done, I won't charge you a dollar more than $17,999.. omg.. what a rube.. [https://wildhammermotorsports.com/20-24-c8-corvette-oem-front-rotor-kit-z51-includes-2-general-motors/](https://wildhammermotorsports.com/20-24-c8-corvette-oem-front-rotor-kit-z51-includes-2-general-motors/)
That's not what you said.. and still not accurate.. https://www.bobjohnsonchevypartsworldwide.com/oem-parts/gm-front-disc-brake-rotor-20981825?origin=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwgdayBhBQEiwAXhMxtk6MVCIEn7CUOb2MyAC4wI4r5kLjtzU2aj9VAku7P0uTY2zkJAKORBoCtvwQAvD_BwE
There’s a certain “fashion victim” aura about the car. When crypto kids take a hit on the market or lose interest, they bail out. Also when people discover the maintenance costs they bail out.
Buying one is not the issue.
Running one is the issue.
For me, it’ll never be worth it.
Because it’s a 2 door sports car with no back seats. Also compared to the panamericana grill versions it looks outdated but imho the GT is very pretty. It’s a step up from C63 and M4 but not at the level of R8 and equal to non GT 911s. The maintenance really isn’t that much compared to other AMGs and the engines are reliable. Not tracking it and the running costs are around the same as M4 and C63s.
Where did you find a cheap amg gt? These are the cheap ones in so cal lol. Op they're expensive to maintain, I wouldn't get one unless I was making over 300k as a single guy. That being said I'd love to own one of these, I need to get my money up though.
[2016 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT AMG GT for sale by owner - Beverly Hills, CA - craigslist](https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/beverly-hills-2016-mercedes-amg-gt-for/7744336596.html)
[2018 Mercedes AMG Roadster for sale by owner - San Diego, CA - craigslist](https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/d/san-diego-2018-mercedes-amg-gt-roadster/7746148107.html)
[2016 Merecedes Benz AMG GTs for sale by owner - Valencia, CA - craigslist](https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/valencia-2016-mercedes-benz-amg-gts/7750157915.html)
Depreciation. Almost all luxury cars lost significant value first three years. If you find a good one with a low mileage, I don’t think it is stupid to buy. They are no worse than any used car, as long as they have been serviced on time which they must have been.
The biggest issue is the previous owners maintenance or lack of. You wouldn’t believe how terribly bad some people are at keeping up to date with their maintenance. Get it checked out properly.
Not sure if it’s relatively affordable, remember that 2016/2017 models are now 9 and 8 years old, respectively. 50-60% depreciation from MSRP doesn’t look all that massive (e.g. 7% per year). In fact it has depreciated less than some of the other higher end models.
The maintenance should be in the lower range of other v8 amg models, because it’s simpler than let’s say S class. But you should still budget 2-4k a year in maintenance and try to get reputable warranty if you can.
The main problem was the engine output. 429hp is regular form - the same as the last gen SL or 503hp in S form, while the 2016 E63 sedan and wagon had 577hp with the same engine. Then to make it worse, the 4-door sedan 2019 GT 63s had 630hp when introduced using once again, the same engine.
Looks sexy, uncomfortable for long distance and as Jeremy Clarkston said in his review, why buy it when the E63 sedan and wagon has more hp and are faster?
anything below 2016 model year has a chance to have issues with transmission (pretty rare). but MB i believe extended warranty period for transmission issues with some model years. TBH the GT is slept on, its a great car for the price. On top of that, the engine is pretty much bulletproof if taken care of. I would compare it to a 911 GTS (pdk) of the same year.
Some say transmission issues and dry sump oiling makes it complicated. I’ve heard some “horror” stories but nothing unheard of in the m/amg/porsche performance world
2016 and 2017 should be ok. Those were good years for Mercedes , I loved my 2017 GLE. You can get an older than that one if your going to do yang yang yang around the block and live in a city. I wouldn’t be driving an old one around like that and putting country miles on it unless you’re going to be doing maintenance. The old ones are like drive to work, Starbucks, grocery store, and bars car.
it’s literally fucking true lmao I’ve met plenty of guys in their mid 20s buy used Audis and Mercedes and having to get rid of it after a year of putting 20k into it 🤣 I literally had one myself and got rid of it before it ruined me
Ive also worked at a 2nd-3rd chance credit dealership for the past 4 years, every single day I see these customers
I don’t see where the problem is as long as you’re aware. Mercedes and mostly Germans cars are over engineered. In facts, they require a proper maintenance. If you’re ready to spend 500$+ (avrg) into your local Mercedes dealer for maintenance 2 a year, then treat yourself and buy a Mercedes. We only live once and driving with a decent car is a high self satisfaction
I bought a 2016 GTS with 5k miles and absolutely love love love it. Better that the 911 GTS I had before. https://preview.redd.it/woryiiiea93d1.jpeg?width=1455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=028fa2b0f1ff7c0827aeb7d8ccfbf0538287435c
How much did you get it for, and how much was the mrsp? That's an awesome blue!
Msrp was 165k I bought it for 69k
Nice! What packages /options did it come with?
I’ll have to dig out the window sticker as I don’t recall.
That's a solid discount. Was that recent? That's super low mileage for a nearly 8 years old car.
It was 3 months ago. It was a local car that I saw at a storage facility and I reached out to the owner. Took a few months t soften him to the idea of a sale. The low mileage was key and he allowed me to have the dealer so a very extensive inspection.
what makes you like it more than the 911 gts?
I love the styling and handling most. Also the roar of the motor.
These seem like way better values over 911 prices and look way better too imo.
Love that car/color. Do you daily drive it, and if so, is the ride too rough?
It’s a little stiff but not to bad. It’s my daily driver however I live in town and walk almost everywhere. There are hundreds of 911’s around here but rarely do we see this car. One of the deciding factors for me.
because you probably cant afford the maintenance which is part of the reason they get dumped in the first place
What? I dont know of any AMG GT owners who have been having regular expensive issues with their cars - the services aren't any worse than Porsche services, mostly cheaper even for annuals, and 911s have no problem holding their value much better.
I have a 2020 GTR carbon ceramic brakes, Renntech stage 2 and I’ve never had a lick of trouble with it. https://preview.redd.it/dc745mq6wc3d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=061d4299afd4f2351d756c7c0a282a1c72b09ae0
And they are a sexy ride! One day….
because the most important and impressive thing about a 911 is the design while AMG its mostly the engine.
isnt it the other way around
no, not really. 911 have mad impressive aerodynamics, you don’t see people go crazy over the aero bits of an AMG as much as they care for the engine. besides when you mention AMG a lot of people immediately think of a four door V8 car with 500ish horsepower.
It's the other way around the amg is about aerodynamics, the engine is two generations past when AMG was about engines, though the 'hot V' was a big deal in its time. A 4L turbo V8 is what the Germans agreed to make, it's the best within the rules but not to go crazy over. Now porsche's 4 liter 6 on the other hand is a ripper. 911 are too about aero but more about weight and a flat 6 hanging over the rear
where does one find cheap amg gts? they hold theit value very well in europe or do you we talk about the 4 door?
Late model year low mileage one owner and extended warranty. That’s the only way. If you can’t afford that, you can’t afford the car. No short cuts.
Yup literally followed this exact formula. 2021 GLC 63. 4k miles. One owner. 6 year unlimited mileage warranty. Bought 2023
Warranties are carefully written to exclude as much of what could possibly go wrong as possible. In the small print issues from seal failures, loss of lubricant, loom issues, water ingress, abrasion, loss of hydraulic fluids etc etc are all excluded. ie anything that normally causes a problem. It’s not the protection you think it is. Someone is making a profit from that warranty, and you’re the one paying for it (one way or another).
Literally warranty fixed my handcrafted V8 engine due to misfires lol. Hella expensive if I didn’t have it.
You probably got a good contract and dealership to honor it then. Was it 6 more years under your ownership and unlimited mileage?
Yes, until 2029 for this warranty. And they literally cover everything that is not part of normal wear and tear (I.e servicing and brakes)
Whoa. That's legit. Is it a nationwide warranty or just that dealership?
Nationwide unlimited mileage. So it’s pretty banger and will be saving my ass knowing how I drive it in full sport+ every time haha
Some warranties are more inclusive than others. You need to do your homework. Not all are equal.
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If you’re used to buying lower to mid level used cars so be it. Buying an high line AMG would be risky to some. I could care less about spending the extra money on a warranty. I don’t think replacing an AMG engine or transmission is inexpensive and the peace of mind would be worth it to some.
Sure - peace of mind - its probably $25,000 or so for a new crate engine from AMG - same as my Cayman/911/4C/ect. If you couldn't stomach that, then yeah, you want a warranty, if thats not really a big deal, then you dont need the warranty. Im just really pushing back against the concept of "if you cant afford one owner, warranty, low miles then you cant afford the car" - because you can save a bundle of money *long term* if you are financially A-OK absorbing the risk of a non-pristine car, which I am, and I have. Over the last 8 years, its probably saved me close to $50,000 just not being anal about the one-owner-new-still-under-warranty thing, and I havent really had any issues that a warranty would have been a game changer for because I only buy well maintained cars (and then continue to maintain them well)
That 50k savings literally becomes negative if you pop one motor on an AMG, Porsche or M car. You’re looking at about $55k-$65k for a full engine replacement on the AMG or M. I went through 3 engines on my .1 GT3, all covered under warranty, and the total cost per engine was around $80k. A PDK replacement can range anywhere from $30k-$70k. One day you’ll get hit.
The simple fact that warranty companies are profitable means it is statistically less likely that I will come out in a favorable position compared to them long term.
Like others have said, they are profitable because their risk is spread over the entire line of vehicles they cover. High end performance vehicles are undoubtedly close to a net zero or a net negative in many cases. I really doubt warranty companies made any profit on GT350’s and .1 GT3’s that were pretty much guaranteed a motor replacement. One day you’re gonna be sitting in a SA’s office, looking like a dumbass, facing an out of warranty repair bill that’s close to the value of your vehicle.
You don’t think they modify warranty prices for the risk profile of the vehicle? There’s no obligation or even an incentive for them to cover vehicles at all - much less operate at a loss for a specific category or model of vehicle. “Yeah you lose money at the casino, but all you have to do is hit one jackpot to make it all back. The casino actually loses money on some machines” lmao By the time your factory warranty ends, aftermarket warranty companies have plllennttyy of data for each specific model to price a warranty that puts them healthily in the green.
The incentive is to keep customers buying the manufacturer’s cars. If Porsche didn’t step up to add a no questions asked 10yr, 100,000 mile warranty to GT3’s their brand would have faced irreparable harm. The invoice cost of warranties varies little between anything but supercars. The invoice price for warranties on my GT3, F80 M3, GT500, and Toyota Tacoma were nearly the same. The casino analogy doesn’t fit at all. This is more like Costco continuing to sell food court stuff at a loss because it keeps their customers loyal and coming back to buy other things. I’ve spent less than $10k on warranties and had over $350k in repairs covered by them.
I’m not going to waste anymore time with someone who thinks extended warranties that you pay for, (not the same as an extended coverage action like the GT3 engine or Ford Powershift) are loss leaders looool. Re your bills - “I made money at the Casino so they are a great choice financially”
Why in the world would you not pay $3-4k for a comprehensive warranty on a $100k sports car that was owned by Joe Schmoe before you? Even if it had regular maintenance done, and was low mileage, and one owner, you have no idea how Joe drove that car or how he treated it. Spending $103k to get a CPO (or a 3P warranty) instead of $100k without is an absolute no brainer for high end vehicles. Even if you’re financially sound, no one wants to shell out $25,000 if they don’t have to…
The simple fact that warranty companies are profitable means that it is statistically unlikely that an extended warranty will be in your favor financially.
Nah they make money from the poor souls who buy extended warranties for Toyotas, Hondas, etc. That revenue offsets the losses from the AMG, Range Rover, and BMW M owners.
That’s bullshit. They don’t take losses on their products - they adjust the price to account for the increased risk, hence why Range Rover extended warranties are more expensive than Porsche extended Warranties, ect.
25K? V8 AMG...LOL. Try again.
I just checked and it’s $23,298 for an assembled short block - much more for a long block.
Its more like 65k +
Yes, for a long block
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The fact that this is 2024 is what would make me wanted to get an extended warranty on everything. They don’t build cars like they did even 10 years ago
I bought an extended warranty on a 2015 AMG GLK 250 turbo diesel that I bought in 2018. (BTW, the AMG package for this model is just cosmetic). Never had a problem with the engine, but the emissions system for the diesel went completely wonky, and I was able to get the entire system replaced under my warranty. Mercedes then decided to do a recall and replace the entire emissions system again AND provide me with a complimentary extended warranty. So, just saying that there is a time and a place for an extended warranty if you don't like financial surprises.
Try looking at parts prices, like 8k for a set of front rotors if it has the carbon ceramic rotors. And of course with any low volume car, parts are hard to find and expensive when you do and due to low volume, not a lot of aftermarket so you're stuck with OEM part prices at the dealer.
You aren’t changing rotors often with CC, they last 100-120k.
Mercedes and BMW recommend changing them every brake job.
Bullshit
no bullshit.. Most dealers in fact recommend this... [https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309349](https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309349)
That’s not for carbon ceramics and the thread you posted does not agree with your statement
Thats actually quite reasonable for Carbon Ceramic Rotors. Its close to $20,000 for rotor replacement on Z06s. I personally wouldnt really call these cars "low volume" - they made over 17,000 of them - more than 3 times what was produced for my 4C and my 4C was really easy to get parts for.
$20,000 Z06 rotor replacements? Dude!?! Please come see me next time you need it done, I won't charge you a dollar more than $17,999.. omg.. what a rube.. [https://wildhammermotorsports.com/20-24-c8-corvette-oem-front-rotor-kit-z51-includes-2-general-motors/](https://wildhammermotorsports.com/20-24-c8-corvette-oem-front-rotor-kit-z51-includes-2-general-motors/)
Those aren’t carbon ceramics. I was speaking specifically about the optional ceramic rotors on the Z06.
That's not what you said.. and still not accurate.. https://www.bobjohnsonchevypartsworldwide.com/oem-parts/gm-front-disc-brake-rotor-20981825?origin=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwgdayBhBQEiwAXhMxtk6MVCIEn7CUOb2MyAC4wI4r5kLjtzU2aj9VAku7P0uTY2zkJAKORBoCtvwQAvD_BwE
Dealer cost you fucking inbred. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c8-eray-hybrid-ev-discussion/4707849-beware-it-cost-20-000-to-replace-the-carbon-ceramic-brakes.html
Those are OEM .. it's a Mercedes forum so I expect assholes like you..
Wow you’re telling me a dealer would use OEM parts? Who would have thought?
The brake jobs won't be 20,000 .. all your showing is other people..
The most expensive AMG is a cheap AMG
There’s a certain “fashion victim” aura about the car. When crypto kids take a hit on the market or lose interest, they bail out. Also when people discover the maintenance costs they bail out. Buying one is not the issue. Running one is the issue. For me, it’ll never be worth it.
Wasn’t there a thing about buying replacement brakes being 10s of thousands of $$$?
If you have carbon ceramics, it's like 15k. The SLR AMG is something stupid like 100k to do brakes on.
There’s a significant “rich imbecile” factor that’s virtually insurmountable for rational people.
Because it’s a 2 door sports car with no back seats. Also compared to the panamericana grill versions it looks outdated but imho the GT is very pretty. It’s a step up from C63 and M4 but not at the level of R8 and equal to non GT 911s. The maintenance really isn’t that much compared to other AMGs and the engines are reliable. Not tracking it and the running costs are around the same as M4 and C63s.
Yep this is the root of it - running costs arent super crazy on the GTs.
Where did you find a cheap amg gt? These are the cheap ones in so cal lol. Op they're expensive to maintain, I wouldn't get one unless I was making over 300k as a single guy. That being said I'd love to own one of these, I need to get my money up though. [2016 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT AMG GT for sale by owner - Beverly Hills, CA - craigslist](https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/beverly-hills-2016-mercedes-amg-gt-for/7744336596.html) [2018 Mercedes AMG Roadster for sale by owner - San Diego, CA - craigslist](https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/d/san-diego-2018-mercedes-amg-gt-roadster/7746148107.html) [2016 Merecedes Benz AMG GTs for sale by owner - Valencia, CA - craigslist](https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/valencia-2016-mercedes-benz-amg-gts/7750157915.html)
I love how the first listing says you will have the coolest car in town when it’s listed in Beverly Hills lol
Remember this: the more a car has, the more a car has that can go wrong
Depreciation. Almost all luxury cars lost significant value first three years. If you find a good one with a low mileage, I don’t think it is stupid to buy. They are no worse than any used car, as long as they have been serviced on time which they must have been.
The biggest issue is the previous owners maintenance or lack of. You wouldn’t believe how terribly bad some people are at keeping up to date with their maintenance. Get it checked out properly.
Not sure if it’s relatively affordable, remember that 2016/2017 models are now 9 and 8 years old, respectively. 50-60% depreciation from MSRP doesn’t look all that massive (e.g. 7% per year). In fact it has depreciated less than some of the other higher end models. The maintenance should be in the lower range of other v8 amg models, because it’s simpler than let’s say S class. But you should still budget 2-4k a year in maintenance and try to get reputable warranty if you can.
The main problem was the engine output. 429hp is regular form - the same as the last gen SL or 503hp in S form, while the 2016 E63 sedan and wagon had 577hp with the same engine. Then to make it worse, the 4-door sedan 2019 GT 63s had 630hp when introduced using once again, the same engine. Looks sexy, uncomfortable for long distance and as Jeremy Clarkston said in his review, why buy it when the E63 sedan and wagon has more hp and are faster?
They are old, newer models make the olders ones depreciate. Also indeed high running costs. But so worth it
anything below 2016 model year has a chance to have issues with transmission (pretty rare). but MB i believe extended warranty period for transmission issues with some model years. TBH the GT is slept on, its a great car for the price. On top of that, the engine is pretty much bulletproof if taken care of. I would compare it to a 911 GTS (pdk) of the same year.
If at any point the engine has to come out, so does the gearbox and torque tube. The whole transaxle powertrain is one unit. Expensive.
Some say transmission issues and dry sump oiling makes it complicated. I’ve heard some “horror” stories but nothing unheard of in the m/amg/porsche performance world
2016 and 2017 should be ok. Those were good years for Mercedes , I loved my 2017 GLE. You can get an older than that one if your going to do yang yang yang around the block and live in a city. I wouldn’t be driving an old one around like that and putting country miles on it unless you’re going to be doing maintenance. The old ones are like drive to work, Starbucks, grocery store, and bars car.
Things go wrong all the time when new. I wouldn’t fancy an older one. My friends issues with his brand new GT R really put my off.
Whats the difference
Because the market knows that the 911 is the better car.
Based on a quick search, they seem WILDLY overpriced in the states.
Because money pit.
They're like $60K that's still pricey lol
Because it’s a race car. Normal people couldn’t handle a GT.
…but GT stands for Grand Touring
yeah and "SL" stands for "*Sport-Leicht" -* with some variants weighing 5000lbs - Mercedes doesn't really follow traditional naming standards.
Porsche has naturally aspirated Turbos, BMW has 4 door coupes, at this point who does?
If you can’t afford a new one you can’t afford a used one
lol those are dumb quotes you saw from random guys on the internet trying to play financial advisors.
it’s literally fucking true lmao I’ve met plenty of guys in their mid 20s buy used Audis and Mercedes and having to get rid of it after a year of putting 20k into it 🤣 I literally had one myself and got rid of it before it ruined me Ive also worked at a 2nd-3rd chance credit dealership for the past 4 years, every single day I see these customers
I don’t see where the problem is as long as you’re aware. Mercedes and mostly Germans cars are over engineered. In facts, they require a proper maintenance. If you’re ready to spend 500$+ (avrg) into your local Mercedes dealer for maintenance 2 a year, then treat yourself and buy a Mercedes. We only live once and driving with a decent car is a high self satisfaction