My 2016 GLC with 32k miles had the same problem. I replaced all the pistons and rod bearings, cost me $10k. There is a class action law suit in process. The trial is set for 2025.
Class action law suits are not like criminal suits where a limited amount of evidence can be presented. There is only one law firm that filed the complaint for all plaintiffs. As time goes on more people will be having this problem and therefore a stronger case will be brought against MB. It will be in their best interest to end the complaint as quickly as possible. Dragging it out will only cost them more in the pay out phase due to more cars having the same problem.
How can i be apart of this? I have a 2017 c300 and i know its just a matter of time if not it’s already happened since i’ve lost a little bit of power ,(66k miles)
That is still an insane bill. An engine change at 90k miles is just robbery. Op mentioned Audis, I think the newer Audis B9 and onwards are actually way more reliable than that.
My fiancee has a 2017 Kia Rio with 270,000KM on the engine. Nothing but basic maintenance like oil changes every 3000kms, 1 brake job in its life, keep up on fluids, and make sure to do a cleaner and drive the hell out of it at high rpms every oil change.
We abuse the hell out of that little car (fast, high rpm driving on windey roads, or 220km an hour on straights on the highways when it's empty) and it's never had any issues
I drive a 2010 Benz E350 Sedan, and when I got it she was in rough shape, was sitting, needed an alignment, oil change, headlights had to be fixed etc. but now she runs like a dream. I bought it a month ago at 202,000kms and now I'm at 204,500kms and had zero issues.
But from what I have seen on this subreddit, aswell as forums, aparently the quality control has declined in Mercedes since like 2012 ish
Kia engines? Maybe. Transmissions? Total failure. 2 years old with 13000 miles and the DCT went. Covered by NHTSA recall. Driving home from dealership with a rebuilt (that was the recall agreement - rebuilts), and the rebuilt unit failed 3 miles (no kidding) from the dealership. That's when I bought my GLE 350.
Before the engine issues, the trade in value was barely $12k at Mercedes.. it’s not even 100k miles and I have to go spend another $10k to get it to run.. but it’s not even worth $12k? I’m being robbed
You are being shafted. Find a replacement engine from a private breakers car out in the countryside, should cost more than a couple of k if you remove it yourself. Then turn your back on Mercedes’ and join ussss in the dark side… BMW supremacy!
43k? That’s like the same price for an AMG GT. Can the engine not be pulled out and rebuilt? Why do these German companies make you pay an absurd price for a new engine.
Not sure. But it’s what I’ve heard on a YouTube video. And it seems correct as that’s what OP is saying, which was his quoted price from Mercedes Benz.
Because dealerships make a lot of their money fixing cars. Replacing an engine is a better deal for the dealer than fixing it assuming they know how and are able to in the first place.
The engine itself is over $20,000+ to get from Mercedes and sent to the dealer. But charging another 20 grand to put the damn thing in is just absurd. The price OP got is bogus. That’s how much it costs to get your engine replaced in any GT line.
That engine in his c300 costs less than 10k 😂😂🤦🏻♂️
That’s not how much labor is. The parts cost that much, it’s because they have to be specially produced to order and the complexity of their manufacturing process. This is a million dollar car we’re talking about. Chump change to the owner.
It’s not a whole lot different than your average car though, just a little bit. If I remember correctly the paid labor is around 5 hours for the front and something similar for rear.
Right but we are talking a run of the mill c300 here.. 4 cylinder engine!
We had some issues with my wife’s 2018 Q7 3.0 in the past so read some horror stories online but even then an engine replacement was ‘only’ ~$33k…
yeah idk, after some research i’ve seen other people say they got mercedes 4 cyl engines replaced for under 20k so this seems beyond crazy. maybe a lot of other things were damaged but i think it’s more likely the dealership just had too much other shit to deal with and didn’t feel like working on this
We usually have success doing rods pistons on these failures. Keeps cost down, as long as there isn’t crazy cylinder wall scoring.
Sorry though. That’s unlucky. They usually fail early when they do.
Is this a facelift or pre facelift?
I heard they fixed this issue on the facelifted model.
Also OP, lots of used merc engines at independent workshops. They're expensive but definitely not 43k. Shop around.
Yep this was a common issue for this engine, I’m surprised you went this long without it
I’m assuming your last C was a W204, they’re the last bulletproof generation of C
I thought the same. M274 isn't it.
When I bought my C300 I made sure I got a 2020 car with the newer M264.
Sad to hear this though OP, Merc should be forced to do something to help owners with this engine which has known issues.
C300 2012, my commuter car, 90k miles, all minor issues except the ESL which gave out at 78k. That was a pain to get the part from germany. Car should live another 90 easily lol. Im about to be on my 3rd set of tires.
How much did the ESL cost to remedy
I hear I can get in there and replace the motor of it proactively which I’d do if I got one, but what did it cost after it had failed and who helped you out with it
Dealer? Indie?
A lot of OEMs work like this. They don’t care until they get sued and forced to do something. Mercedes isn’t special. The only company I’ve seen proactively tackle an issue publicly was Porsche when the 991.1 (I think) GT3 had an engine issue. They went ahead and replaced engines and extended their warranty for the car. That said I only think they did it because the GT3 is so important to their brand they were just protecting themselves. Corporations don’t care about you. Unless you’re rich or visible or both.
That was a special case because it was the GT3. Look at the IMS bearing failure issues to see how Porsche normally handles these things (ignore, ignore, deny, bill for new engine).
I’m in the market to replace my 2012 with 160k miles and want to stay brand loyal but I’m not sold on the interiors for the 17 and newer e classes and when it rolled out in other cars other than maybe the s class. Quality went down late 2010s just in time for when bmw fixed a lot of their reliability issues. I still much prefer Mercedes as a company but I don’t want to be driving a granade or forced into leasing something I don’t own outright.
I did that exact thing. The service with BMW is horrible compared to MB. BMW is fun to drive but different than MB, I feel every bump on the road with BMW but not MB. BMW is made to be fast, MB is an experience.
Lol clueless MB boy. Owned both and BMW has been by far the more reliable vehicles. MB is even less reliable than Audi. Have owned all 3 brands multiple vehicles.
I miss my w124. That straight 6 had like 280k miles on it still kicking. If it wasn’t an Ohio car it’s whole life and rotted out it would still be my daily lol
They gave you that price to turn you away since they don’t wanna do the work. It really should be in the 10k range since I know a family friend who did his on his 2017 c300 at 116k miles. He did it in like February 2022
I hate my unreliable Benz as well. I heard about their quality, got excited to own my first brand new vehicle, and this thing sucks! I had to get my check engine light reset for driving up hill. The dealer said "it says your engine went a little over normal running temperature yesterday". This page makes me feel better though. At least I didn't spend $XX,000 on a lemon.
The early fours had a low speed pre ignition problem-use only premium fuel and change the oil with SP or better. The facelift supposedly fixed this, I hope so, we have one....
If you want to drive a luxury car for 200k+ miles, get a Lexus. I'd never want to own any of the newer German luxury brands post-warranty, *especially* not a Mercedes.
German luxury isnt about quality and reliability anymore. Its about tech, and tech just adds failure points, and German luxury repairs are the worst.
Mercedes looks the best hand down no argument. Audi just ugly and bmw got a big ass mustache grille that grows every year there no comp in the looks department
Depends, Audi is horrendous at what stupidly faulty engines they have. BMW have the B48 (I4) and B58 (I6) engines which are very solid, but go for the V8 (N63) and that's a maintenance nightmare.
300D, 190E 2.6, 190E 2.6, C230, (plus another 190E 2.6 and an E320 wagon in the family) and 6 years working at MB, I now drive BMWs and haven't looked back.
Unreliable is something BMW earned in the 90s that they overcame in the 2000s, but the general public perception is taking time to catch up. At the same time, Mercedes started cutting their quality and realigning their product in the early 2010s, and they've squandered the reputation of quality they had in the 90s.
Better handling, more efficient engines (more power/liter, more mpg), and often better build quality. Only thing you'll miss out on is Mercedes still uses nicer seat materials, but typically only on their higher tier vehicles/trims.
Unfortunately this.
I’ve owned over 2 dozen MBs over the past almost 40 years (starting with a w115) and I stopped buying any made after 2005 because the quality and ownership experience declined so precipitously in comparison to that to which I had become accustomed. Having owned 2006+ model years in the R, S, E, and GL classes, I’m not doing that to myself anymore. They were all significantly less reliable than the Porsches and Volvos I have owned in the interim and about the same as the Audis but even more expensive to fix.
I currently own 4 older MBs in my DD fleet (a 2003 s210, a 2005 s211, and two 2002 w163s) all between 130k miles and 185k miles. Going forward I will continue to buy older minty ones and maybe rebuy some of my favorites from past decades as garage queens. If I get the itch to buy a more modern car than a 20+ year old Benz, it will be a Porsche, BMW, or Lexus (sadly).
BMW is so competitive with everything. Seriously every single car they offer now is extremely impressive regardless of design.
I was gonna buy the new gen C63S, came out turned out to be a 4-cylinder with a hybrid, not to mention it got eh reviews. Not to mention costing the price of a used Aston Martin vantage.
Went to look at bmw and got a fully specced out M3 Comp X-Drive. Sounds incredible, handles incredible, unbelievable fast. I mean shit I prefer driving it over my 911 I had. Looks while controversial, I love it. Aggressive as aggressive can get.
Same thing when I drove my friend’s M340 and eventually I ordered a new X7. Wanted the GLS originally, turned it, it’s abnormally big, drove sloppy, cracked and rattled, and the leather was less soft and I heard it doesn’t last long either. Drove the X7, while big it didn’t handle big literally handled like a GLC, super comfortable more so than the already comfortable GLS, better technology, and the interior was mind blowing. Not to mention an extremely exceptional price to quality ratio.
BMW and other competitors are just dishing out better cars and with Mercedes’ new releases, it makes me lose hope that Mercedes will ever be the top again over its competitors.
Interestingly enough, I swapped to MB because BMW did me dirty (not in the same way tho, just refusing to update me on a car I ordered until finally after a year they rose the price and said I would have to pay the difference, for a car I didn’t have or get updates on)
Don’t judge the entire brand by one lousy car. Unfortunately, there are lemons in every line. But, I agree with the other person who suggested finding a good independent shop. Get it fixed for $10k and dump it.
Also, some MB are better than others. So far, I’ve had pretty great luck with the E class, (knock on wood)
This is why the price of the older classic MB is climbing. I'm enjoying my eurospec 1973 350slc. Simple, easily repaired, updated audio/connectivity. 10mpg is a small price for reliability & panache. Gets the looks from all ages, very recognizable as a MB.
I have a '74 nova in my garage with the original fifty year old engine that still runs. The mercedes is a family trip vehicle and I daily a Nissan sentra to keep miles off the mercedes for this exact reason.
Was thinking about selling c43 2020 mid 2026 at the end of the extended warranty. Wondering if I should do it sooner. I got 3 cracked wheels, 2 bad batteries, broken infotainment screen, rust on the right wing that needs fixing, check engine lights from water in the intake from canadian cold temps, punctured exhaust muffler, peeling paint from the exhaust tips… I bought a mb because my father in law owned one for >10y without any issues. First and last benz for me. They are selling appliances now not over engineered cars like they used too
My 2017 c300 coupe had the same problem. Chunk of piston came off when I was driving on the highway. I couldn’t accelerate, only brake. Luckily I made it off the highway safely.
It also happened a week after my cop warranty expired -_- only had like 50k miles on it. Mercedes paid half of it, and I think the dealer chipped in as well. I ended up paying around $10k for new engine. The value of the car still goes by mileage which is at 80k so it’s worth selling/trading. Im going to ride this thing to the ground.
Also someone send me the link to the class action lawsuit pls.
I'm in the same boat. I'll never own another Mercedes. I owned a 2013 g63 AMG. At 60k miles it had rust under the windshield, leaking valve covers, leaking oil pan gasket, multiple idk sensors needing to be replaced. I did all the maintenance until I noticed Both turbos leaking oil. It's a full engine out service that an independent shop quoted 15k in labor on.
I've owned a 2013 bmw m3 and it has 80k miles now and not a single thing has gone wrong. Mercedes is a hunk of junk. Bmw is bad, but Mercedes takes it to the next level
2018 C300.
In one year:
Broken panoramic roof due to debris stuck in the tracks. Failed transmission. Same engine failure you have. All the chrome trim is peeling, every seat has ripped, oil pump replaced twice, CEL basically has been on since purchase.
Never again.
If you can find the Canadian Recall; print that out and write a letter to MB’s American HQ in Atlanta. Almost the same thing happened to my GL63 AMG (cylinder 5 exhaust valve issues) and luckily HQ over-rode the dealerships decision not to honor the extended warranty especially since it was a manufacturing defect. Good luck.
Definitely don’t want a bmw. They have just as many problems. I had an m6 back in the day and my tranny went out while I was going 80 in the fast lane on the highway lol that was just one time. Had to pay 8k + labor to get it replaced.
This is part of the reason why im debating on if i’ll get another MB. My one and only MB was a 2013 C300. I took care of it and got it with around 26k miles. Around 90k miles i was being told it would need a new transmission. At 90k i got rid of it and went back to honda. Got a 2017 accord sport. Some issues but at least it doesnt need a new eng or transmission before i hit 100k. In the accord, i got it around the same mileage i did with the MB Im at around 118k now i believe. Still going strong.
Mercedes are the worst car brand I've ever dealt with. Took in mine and asked them to look at a bunch of stuff as well as complete the "free" map update I kept getting notifications for. Halfway through they tell me I need to pay like £200 for the map update even after showing them the messages THEY sent me. They don't look at the stuff I asked for in the first place and call me a liar when I point it out, claiming I never asked in the first place. I used to get live traffic but as of this year I don't and I have to pay to get it again. Literally never buying a Mercedes again, customer service is dreadful and the cars just aren't built to last.
Mercedes is in crisis whether people realize it or not. Learned my lesson years ago with the GLC43 coupe. Refused to actually fix the pop up camera or the rattle on startup
I have a similar ish situation going on with my E63S that's making me want to go back to MOPAR
First Benz I've owned. 2019 e63 that was a champion till November, it's been out of commission at the dealership since January with all sorts of parts being thrown at it and they can't even find the issue. Started with intermittent misfires and rough idle, they replaced them all, and the plugs, and the cats, and the intercoolers and flashed the ecu, and the tcu...
They have AMG involved, and I was told the other day that there were LHM corporate people at the dealership including gale miller (idk if this is true or not) but they were very interested in what was going on with my car...
I've always liked these cars and always said if I could afford one of these monsters It would be what takes me from my mopar roots. And I'm probably just unlucky with what I got, it's making me question the brand also.
I feel your sense of WTF and I have only been a member of the AMG community for a little over 2 years
I’m having a hell of a time with Mercedes and I’ve had it. My first time owning one and my last. Never again. I’ve had it 10 months, it had spent most of the last 5 weeks in the shop. It’s a 2020 GLS450 1 I had a much higher expectation from this brand. Livid.
Can you take it to a Canadian dealer and get them to replace the engine for free since it's been recalled? I don't understand how it's a recall in Canada but not the US? That's pretty fucked up...
I was also a die hard MB fan. Most recently had a W206. Beautiful car, but a bucket of shit. MB are the Louis Vuitton of cars nowadays. You pay for nothing except the badge. I sold for a Kia Stinger and it’s a better car in every single aspect except maybe styling (although that’s subjective)
Is this the M264 engine we are talking about or the M274 engine ?
I noticed people complain about this piston issue around that year.
I live in Europe and I made some research and noticed that people who live on the American continent have this issue. Because the w205 was built in Alabama for that market.
I never heard this shit about the w205 built in Germany for the European market. So I guess quality here is way better.
How about this dude with the GLC from 2016. This has to be the M274 engine if it’s GLC 300.
Again this engine is pretty bulletproof here in Europe.
Where you guys are getting your GLC’s from ? Mexico ?
Here in Europe we get them from Germany.
Overall I noticed that Mercedes cars which are not made in Germany tend to be shittier.
If I was living on the American continent I would assure to buy only models that come strictly from Germany such as the E,CLS,SL,S,GT and the G (this one from Austria but it’s ok )
What you guys think about it ? I mean at the end of the day you want to enjoy your car that you like some much and avoid this huge clusterfuck like our friend here .
And another thing that I want to add. If you are looking for reliability you don’t buy a BMW.
Overall speaking if we have to make a statistic Mercedes is more reliable comparing to BMW.
So if you really want to change brand I would get a Lexus but I wouldn’t. I would get a German Benz.
But that’s me.
A lot of the US market is supplied with either domestically built or Mexican built cars. Some models are made in Germany, particularly the Canada only models, like the A class hatchback, and the B class. And a lot of issues do indeed seem to be prevalent in the models built in North America.
I feel like I’m getting this same issue as we speak.
I have a 2016 C300 4matic (I think it’s W205?) and I’m at 80k miles and I’ve noticed for a few weeks (maybe even months now) that I’m feeling a very pronounced jerk or jolt when the car shifts gears, particularly when going from D1-D2-D3. Also the car jerks when it’s coming down in gears and I’m slowing down to a stop at a light or sign. I don’t know much about cars and maybe this is just how gears shift/an engine works, but it doesn’t feel smooth at all. No lights on the dash, stellar maintenance history, and I purchased it from an AD as CPO exactly 1 year ago.
Can you tell me more about what you experienced when driving? Is there anything you would have done differently? (i.e. maybe looked to trade it in before getting to 90k)
I’m really concerned. I almost feel like I saw this post for a reason, as if I need to act quickly before I’m stuck in a bad situation. I’m going to schedule an appointment for a diagnostic ASAP.
Basically what you’re describing, the car jerked and was rough at start and while idle…the shifts between gears were not as smooth especially in lower gears. I wouldn’t even try to diagnose it if I was you, I wouldn’t even drive it. Just get rid of it, just sell it asap! This engine is basically a ticking time bomb…Good luck and hopefully you never have to experience anything like I did!
My Benz messed up non stop. My audi is running strong at 180k miles and counting. No major repairs just brakes rotors and oil. That supercharged v6 is bulletproof
Anyone got any relatively new Mercs with 300k+ ?
I drive between NY and Florida a lot
I’m interested in the GLS but haven’t seen any at 200k yet and I like to run my cars up. My Honda got about 360k
My 97 e class has been problem free but still has under 100 k as it’s in another country.
2015 Infiniti QX60 going strong 210k miles and climbing, transfer case was changed under warranty at 70k. 2 coils, thermostat and maf sensor, other than that it’s been regular maintenance. Now I’m also getting occasional cat codes so that’s gonna have to be changed as well.
Hey i bought my first MB in January - you mention that you did all the necessary services every 3k miles. That’s every 5.1k. What exactly are you doing every 5k? Outside of service A and service B; what else should I be doing? I haven’t done anything since getting the car except service B, and am genuinely curious how I can maintain the car better given the MB premium and high cost of repairs .
I was under the impression that newer Mercedes don’t need an oil change that often. I change the oil on my ‘04 X5 every 5k but was told by my mechanic that the oil on the MB is to be changed once a year or every 10,000k?
Well yeah it’s full synthetic so the 10k mark is the latest you can do oil changes for synthetic however, some people do 3k oil changes or 5k for higher mileage Mercedes to always ensure good oil and proper amount. My MB is a 2013 and I plan on doing the next oil change around 5k intervals. It could go longer probably like 7-10k but the engine I have is a V8 and I want to make sure it always has clean oil and the right amount of
Thank you for the detailed answer. I have a gls 450 at 67k. Last question (famous words) - in what interval do you recommend I should get an oil change? Thank you 🙏
You can do 10k intervals up until the car hits 100k, then I would say switch to 5k intervals. It’s subjective and everyone here will tell you differently but if I have to spend 200$ a few months earlier to have the peace of mind that I’m keeping everything 100% then why not
STOP BUYING MB 4 CYLINDERS THEY ARE TRASH. The 450/43 is the only reliable modern engine from mb everything else is awful. I hope people realize this sooner than later. They haven’t made a good v8 in ten years and the 4 cylinders have never been good
I think the m273 was good and the m278 is hit or miss. I personally own an m278 and have had no issues but I work at an MB dealer and have seen 10k mile m278 cars with fouled spark plugs, 30k mile engine replacements, the list goes on.
It’s fun to drive, peppy and sounds alright but the long term reliability just isn’t there. You’re getting 400hp out of a four cylinder engine with forced induction and 48 volt system. They engine has so many plastic parts and you just have too many things happening at once. Eventually something will break.
Yikes that or a failed tranny is probably the nightmare outcomes you can get. I’d ask the euro specialty garages in your area for their opinion at the very least before you commit.
Why not look for the right vehicle for you, rather than the badge on the bonnet? FYI, I own a BMW bike, Merc work van, but family cars are Mitusbishi and Honda. ;)
15 year MB driver, they upped the price in the ‘24 E disproportionately compared to all other models without justification, so after asking and asking and getting zero explanation I got a ‘24 BMW 5 series instead and couldn’t be happier. Obviously different situation than yours, but just jumping in to say the grass is very green over here.
So sorry you’re dealing with this! 😞. I would’ve shit myself with that replacement quote. Wow. 🤯
This sub does **not** like four cylinder engines. So, if you’re looking for empathy for your frustration; you’ve come to the right place. The guys here will tear another man down for driving a four cylinder and say it’s worse than a Yugo from the 80s. Worst engine and cars ever. lol.
i had a 2020 glb, same exact issue where cylinder head needed to be replaced. Then it broke down again with the radiator sensor going off. Sold it, ate the lose. Bought c300 2020 same happened. Cylinder head was gone at 25k. Sold it ate the lose and told mb to fuck it self off.
Now i drive a volvo xc60.
You have the m260/264 engine. THIS ISSUE WILL HAPPENED IN SOME CAPACITY JUST WHEN IT THE IMPORTANT QUESTION.
I’m sorry that happened to you, very unfortunate situation. What I can say for BMW is I like how they have been looking ascetically, but my girlfriends family has 2 BRAND NEW BMW’s and they are constantly in the shop. One is a 24 X2, the other is a 24 760i with legitimately every single luxury package on it. I’m genially shocked how often they both need work and have to be in the shop. Especially considering the price tag.
My business partner and his family had 4 Mercs - S400 Hybrid, GLE 450, C180 and A250. Of those, the A250 spent 2.5years out of 4 years ownership at Mercedes. The GLE broke down at 5,000 miles and was with Mercedes for absolute ages. The S400 had some minor issues and the C180 was a champ and gave no problems. The Mercedes dealerships had such bad service that I ended up contacting our country's head of Mercedes for assistance. Even he gave up trying. Needless to say, the family now doesn't own a single Mercedes. 25 years of owning only Mercedes down the drain for Merc. I wouldn't touch a new Merc.
My 2016 GLC with 32k miles had the same problem. I replaced all the pistons and rod bearings, cost me $10k. There is a class action law suit in process. The trial is set for 2025.
It will be hard for Mercedes to lose . They have the money to prolong it till 2030 until everyone gives up
Class action law suits are not like criminal suits where a limited amount of evidence can be presented. There is only one law firm that filed the complaint for all plaintiffs. As time goes on more people will be having this problem and therefore a stronger case will be brought against MB. It will be in their best interest to end the complaint as quickly as possible. Dragging it out will only cost them more in the pay out phase due to more cars having the same problem.
How can i be apart of this? I have a 2017 c300 and i know its just a matter of time if not it’s already happened since i’ve lost a little bit of power ,(66k miles)
Which engine ???
Same car. Worst I have ever owned.
Indy shop and a used engine. Lots of low mileage ones out there for under $10k.
That is still an insane bill. An engine change at 90k miles is just robbery. Op mentioned Audis, I think the newer Audis B9 and onwards are actually way more reliable than that.
At least Kia can make em last til 140k miles🤦
Not without getting stolen first! (Mine was stolen and totalled at 80k miles)
My fiancee has a 2017 Kia Rio with 270,000KM on the engine. Nothing but basic maintenance like oil changes every 3000kms, 1 brake job in its life, keep up on fluids, and make sure to do a cleaner and drive the hell out of it at high rpms every oil change. We abuse the hell out of that little car (fast, high rpm driving on windey roads, or 220km an hour on straights on the highways when it's empty) and it's never had any issues I drive a 2010 Benz E350 Sedan, and when I got it she was in rough shape, was sitting, needed an alignment, oil change, headlights had to be fixed etc. but now she runs like a dream. I bought it a month ago at 202,000kms and now I'm at 204,500kms and had zero issues. But from what I have seen on this subreddit, aswell as forums, aparently the quality control has declined in Mercedes since like 2012 ish
Kia engines? Maybe. Transmissions? Total failure. 2 years old with 13000 miles and the DCT went. Covered by NHTSA recall. Driving home from dealership with a rebuilt (that was the recall agreement - rebuilts), and the rebuilt unit failed 3 miles (no kidding) from the dealership. That's when I bought my GLE 350.
I have a 2012 Audi a4. A b8, and it’s at 150 k miles. Have had zero issues whatsoever. Some people’s b8s have approached 300k miles
Before the engine issues, the trade in value was barely $12k at Mercedes.. it’s not even 100k miles and I have to go spend another $10k to get it to run.. but it’s not even worth $12k? I’m being robbed
You are being shafted. Find a replacement engine from a private breakers car out in the countryside, should cost more than a couple of k if you remove it yourself. Then turn your back on Mercedes’ and join ussss in the dark side… BMW supremacy!
43k? That’s like the same price for an AMG GT. Can the engine not be pulled out and rebuilt? Why do these German companies make you pay an absurd price for a new engine.
43k for an amg gt?
For the engine lol. Might have even been more. On an episode of Daily Driven Exotics on YouTube.
Oh lmao I'm like where does mans even live to find such a cheap GT.
I wish, I’m in Australia everything is 5x the price
Crikey m8
In europe a new engine is like 10 k€ so from where does the 43k come? Does the car mechanic take over 20k for putting it in?
Not sure. But it’s what I’ve heard on a YouTube video. And it seems correct as that’s what OP is saying, which was his quoted price from Mercedes Benz.
Because dealerships make a lot of their money fixing cars. Replacing an engine is a better deal for the dealer than fixing it assuming they know how and are able to in the first place.
To get a trade in cheap & royally screw the customer TWICE. GM style of AUTOMOTIVE rape.
I mean that's a dealership quoted price, the Germans don't really have a hand in it
Either way
The engine itself is over $20,000+ to get from Mercedes and sent to the dealer. But charging another 20 grand to put the damn thing in is just absurd. The price OP got is bogus. That’s how much it costs to get your engine replaced in any GT line. That engine in his c300 costs less than 10k 😂😂🤦🏻♂️
Not with that crack in the block. Swapping in a salvaged engine is smart though.
He said cracked piston, not block.
Thanks. I read it as piston wall...
"The dealership took a look..." I think I see your problem.
The stealership you mean
This. Go find an independent car shop that advertises MB repair. Save a butt-load of money.
Mercedes quality has been going down for years. 43K for engine replacement is theft. Go see Bubba at the junkyard and get an engine from a wreck.
How does that ever make sense, isn’t a new base c class like $48k ???
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What the fuck……. How complex is changing brakes.
That’s not how much labor is. The parts cost that much, it’s because they have to be specially produced to order and the complexity of their manufacturing process. This is a million dollar car we’re talking about. Chump change to the owner. It’s not a whole lot different than your average car though, just a little bit. If I remember correctly the paid labor is around 5 hours for the front and something similar for rear.
Right but we are talking a run of the mill c300 here.. 4 cylinder engine! We had some issues with my wife’s 2018 Q7 3.0 in the past so read some horror stories online but even then an engine replacement was ‘only’ ~$33k…
yeah idk, after some research i’ve seen other people say they got mercedes 4 cyl engines replaced for under 20k so this seems beyond crazy. maybe a lot of other things were damaged but i think it’s more likely the dealership just had too much other shit to deal with and didn’t feel like working on this
No. The parts alone are 120k. Labor not included.
Oh you’re right, i misread the invoice. This is definitely just a fuck-off price
Most definitely a “we don’t want to make this anymore” price 😂😂
Confused? “done all the necessary services every 3k miles”? What could possibly need doing that frequently?
Maybe he meant 30k but that would be too much imo so I have no clue. Or maybe he had to get his Blinker fluid filled up every 3k miles.
That’s so important - BMW’s always seem to run out.
I was wondering about that too
Pretty sure he meant 30k. Mercedes does most services in 30k intervals.
what?? every mb i’ve had has always been 10k intervals for servicing
That’s for the oil change services. They have other services that change every ~30k
We usually have success doing rods pistons on these failures. Keeps cost down, as long as there isn’t crazy cylinder wall scoring. Sorry though. That’s unlucky. They usually fail early when they do.
That trashy 2L engine 😂😂😂
43k for engine ? Rotfl.
The dealership making this a smooth transition into "...or you could actually save some money by buying a newer CPO car from us."
40k is a go away quote, it’ll be much less elsewhere
May i ask what is the engine Code for that type of motor?
Probably M274. They’re known for cracking pistons due to poor quality wrist pins causing piston slap and eventual cracking
MB is so shit now, I would only ever lease one
That is all they are good for now.
Get a newer used engine off a totaled vehicle and drop it in. No need for new with dealer up charge on a 6y/o car.
Is this a facelift or pre facelift? I heard they fixed this issue on the facelifted model. Also OP, lots of used merc engines at independent workshops. They're expensive but definitely not 43k. Shop around.
Yep this was a common issue for this engine, I’m surprised you went this long without it I’m assuming your last C was a W204, they’re the last bulletproof generation of C
I thought the same. M274 isn't it. When I bought my C300 I made sure I got a 2020 car with the newer M264. Sad to hear this though OP, Merc should be forced to do something to help owners with this engine which has known issues.
My w204 refuses to die… not that I want it to.. but I am shocked at how well it is built and still no creeks
What year how many miles and c250 c300 or c350? Asking cuz I’m looking at getting one to put around in
C300 2012, my commuter car, 90k miles, all minor issues except the ESL which gave out at 78k. That was a pain to get the part from germany. Car should live another 90 easily lol. Im about to be on my 3rd set of tires.
How much did the ESL cost to remedy I hear I can get in there and replace the motor of it proactively which I’d do if I got one, but what did it cost after it had failed and who helped you out with it Dealer? Indie?
Indie shop! Montys in union,nj (mercedes only shop) I can look up the cost … It was definitely expensive …. Above 1200$
Coming from BMWs that’s nothing, I’ll take it LOL Seems it’s one of the only major issues
A lot of OEMs work like this. They don’t care until they get sued and forced to do something. Mercedes isn’t special. The only company I’ve seen proactively tackle an issue publicly was Porsche when the 991.1 (I think) GT3 had an engine issue. They went ahead and replaced engines and extended their warranty for the car. That said I only think they did it because the GT3 is so important to their brand they were just protecting themselves. Corporations don’t care about you. Unless you’re rich or visible or both.
That was a special case because it was the GT3. Look at the IMS bearing failure issues to see how Porsche normally handles these things (ignore, ignore, deny, bill for new engine).
Was overblown I have an IMS era Porsche with 80k miles on it and no issuss
It's overblown until you run into the problem.
Yeah. I have a friend that had to do the IMS twice. Not a Grenade I want to be involved with
Did you replace the bearing proactively?
There’s a reason why Toyota chose BMW as their drivetrain. They are reliably now, up there with Toyota and Honda.
To be fair, it was BMW whose police cars were bursting into flames in the UK, though I'm not sure how wide spread that issue is.
Just a quick replacement on the EGR, quick fix by BMW. But still a concerning problem.
Rent a trailer, take it over the border and get it fixed there lol
I'll do it for $37k (including flying from Australia)
I’m in the market to replace my 2012 with 160k miles and want to stay brand loyal but I’m not sold on the interiors for the 17 and newer e classes and when it rolled out in other cars other than maybe the s class. Quality went down late 2010s just in time for when bmw fixed a lot of their reliability issues. I still much prefer Mercedes as a company but I don’t want to be driving a granade or forced into leasing something I don’t own outright.
Get a better engine in your Mercedes when you upgrade
What engine is good in the latest models? Which don’t have plastiquy strip club interiors
They used to make good engines. Same thing with bmw. Until they found out “hey why not build trash engines so it costs less and sell for same price”.
Or we can charge people 43k for an engine when it breaks
Come join the Dark Side
What’s the dark side?
Not really the dark side but BMW
I did that exact thing. The service with BMW is horrible compared to MB. BMW is fun to drive but different than MB, I feel every bump on the road with BMW but not MB. BMW is made to be fast, MB is an experience.
My brother what lol
MB is a shitty experience they haven’t made a good car in almost a decade
BMW will make you weep
https://preview.redd.it/ubbs7bmydj4d1.jpeg?width=1326&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=005521fa39cf7eaa66732d51a9f5a6528ff617e7 Need to look up the B fiddy 8
and the b forddy 8
Makes me feel better about looking at an x5 with the B58 as a family vehicle replacement.
Lol clueless MB boy. Owned both and BMW has been by far the more reliable vehicles. MB is even less reliable than Audi. Have owned all 3 brands multiple vehicles.
MB being less reliable than Audi is LAUGHABLE
I would say recent Benz models are def more unreliable than Audi. Benz of the 90s, 2000s and early 2010s are a diff story.
I miss my w124. That straight 6 had like 280k miles on it still kicking. If it wasn’t an Ohio car it’s whole life and rotted out it would still be my daily lol
I had some MB's also in the early 2000's and they were a total disaster.
How many Audis have you owned?
My previous car was a 550i - rest assured I have receipts to back up my claim, looking at you N63.
Yeah N63 needs some care and feeding but B58 is as close to flawless as BMW has built in the last 25 years
I've definitely heard good things about the B58, fool me once though :)
That's why I prefer the V6 engine E400, E450 or E43). In your case C400, C450 or C43 No 4-cylinder engine with a lot of mileage
I believe the 450 is an inline 6 cylinder.
It was a V6 until ~2021.
Ah yes, just checked, until June 2020.
They gave you that price to turn you away since they don’t wanna do the work. It really should be in the 10k range since I know a family friend who did his on his 2017 c300 at 116k miles. He did it in like February 2022
I hate my unreliable Benz as well. I heard about their quality, got excited to own my first brand new vehicle, and this thing sucks! I had to get my check engine light reset for driving up hill. The dealer said "it says your engine went a little over normal running temperature yesterday". This page makes me feel better though. At least I didn't spend $XX,000 on a lemon.
The early fours had a low speed pre ignition problem-use only premium fuel and change the oil with SP or better. The facelift supposedly fixed this, I hope so, we have one....
Try get some good will, contact MB USA, MB in Germany.
Never again will I own a BMW.
Bmw aren’t any better .. don’t get fool by all the biased fanboy …
That's the "we don't want to do it" number.
If you want to drive a luxury car for 200k+ miles, get a Lexus. I'd never want to own any of the newer German luxury brands post-warranty, *especially* not a Mercedes. German luxury isnt about quality and reliability anymore. Its about tech, and tech just adds failure points, and German luxury repairs are the worst.
Audi is no better. If anything Audi and BMW are worse. Just get a Toyota or Lexus or Acura
in modern times Audi and BMW are much ahead of merc for reliability, and overall fit and finish.
Disagree. Traded an rsq8 for a s580
I was referring to their more "commodity" vehicles. I hope their flagship vehicle isn't riddled with all kinds of problems.
Fit and finish, yes. Reliability, no.
Mercedes looks the best hand down no argument. Audi just ugly and bmw got a big ass mustache grille that grows every year there no comp in the looks department
I do prefer the Audi look but it's getting stale. BMW have completely lost their minds.
Depends, Audi is horrendous at what stupidly faulty engines they have. BMW have the B48 (I4) and B58 (I6) engines which are very solid, but go for the V8 (N63) and that's a maintenance nightmare.
N63 for the most part hasn't been a maintenance nightmare since 2018. They've improved it quite a bit.
Nope, Mercedes > Audi > BMW
Why not install a used engine?
I thought that problem was only in the 2015 c300s?
300D, 190E 2.6, 190E 2.6, C230, (plus another 190E 2.6 and an E320 wagon in the family) and 6 years working at MB, I now drive BMWs and haven't looked back. Unreliable is something BMW earned in the 90s that they overcame in the 2000s, but the general public perception is taking time to catch up. At the same time, Mercedes started cutting their quality and realigning their product in the early 2010s, and they've squandered the reputation of quality they had in the 90s. Better handling, more efficient engines (more power/liter, more mpg), and often better build quality. Only thing you'll miss out on is Mercedes still uses nicer seat materials, but typically only on their higher tier vehicles/trims.
Unfortunately this. I’ve owned over 2 dozen MBs over the past almost 40 years (starting with a w115) and I stopped buying any made after 2005 because the quality and ownership experience declined so precipitously in comparison to that to which I had become accustomed. Having owned 2006+ model years in the R, S, E, and GL classes, I’m not doing that to myself anymore. They were all significantly less reliable than the Porsches and Volvos I have owned in the interim and about the same as the Audis but even more expensive to fix. I currently own 4 older MBs in my DD fleet (a 2003 s210, a 2005 s211, and two 2002 w163s) all between 130k miles and 185k miles. Going forward I will continue to buy older minty ones and maybe rebuy some of my favorites from past decades as garage queens. If I get the itch to buy a more modern car than a 20+ year old Benz, it will be a Porsche, BMW, or Lexus (sadly).
BMW is so competitive with everything. Seriously every single car they offer now is extremely impressive regardless of design. I was gonna buy the new gen C63S, came out turned out to be a 4-cylinder with a hybrid, not to mention it got eh reviews. Not to mention costing the price of a used Aston Martin vantage. Went to look at bmw and got a fully specced out M3 Comp X-Drive. Sounds incredible, handles incredible, unbelievable fast. I mean shit I prefer driving it over my 911 I had. Looks while controversial, I love it. Aggressive as aggressive can get. Same thing when I drove my friend’s M340 and eventually I ordered a new X7. Wanted the GLS originally, turned it, it’s abnormally big, drove sloppy, cracked and rattled, and the leather was less soft and I heard it doesn’t last long either. Drove the X7, while big it didn’t handle big literally handled like a GLC, super comfortable more so than the already comfortable GLS, better technology, and the interior was mind blowing. Not to mention an extremely exceptional price to quality ratio. BMW and other competitors are just dishing out better cars and with Mercedes’ new releases, it makes me lose hope that Mercedes will ever be the top again over its competitors.
Interestingly enough, I swapped to MB because BMW did me dirty (not in the same way tho, just refusing to update me on a car I ordered until finally after a year they rose the price and said I would have to pay the difference, for a car I didn’t have or get updates on)
Are these newer c class just bad? Our 2002 w203 c320 is still going pretty strong.
Everyone in comments complaining about MB, BMW, and even Audi. What company doesn't have such a shit rep? Is it just Toyota?
Don’t judge the entire brand by one lousy car. Unfortunately, there are lemons in every line. But, I agree with the other person who suggested finding a good independent shop. Get it fixed for $10k and dump it. Also, some MB are better than others. So far, I’ve had pretty great luck with the E class, (knock on wood)
This is why the price of the older classic MB is climbing. I'm enjoying my eurospec 1973 350slc. Simple, easily repaired, updated audio/connectivity. 10mpg is a small price for reliability & panache. Gets the looks from all ages, very recognizable as a MB.
As someone who owns a Corolla, are BMWs and Porsche the most reliable german luxury vehicles? Not interested in buying either one but just curious.
I would only get a Benz if I had to have their V8. Anything else, I don’t understand since the alternatives are so much better.
I have a '74 nova in my garage with the original fifty year old engine that still runs. The mercedes is a family trip vehicle and I daily a Nissan sentra to keep miles off the mercedes for this exact reason.
Was thinking about selling c43 2020 mid 2026 at the end of the extended warranty. Wondering if I should do it sooner. I got 3 cracked wheels, 2 bad batteries, broken infotainment screen, rust on the right wing that needs fixing, check engine lights from water in the intake from canadian cold temps, punctured exhaust muffler, peeling paint from the exhaust tips… I bought a mb because my father in law owned one for >10y without any issues. First and last benz for me. They are selling appliances now not over engineered cars like they used too
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My 2017 c300 coupe had the same problem. Chunk of piston came off when I was driving on the highway. I couldn’t accelerate, only brake. Luckily I made it off the highway safely. It also happened a week after my cop warranty expired -_- only had like 50k miles on it. Mercedes paid half of it, and I think the dealer chipped in as well. I ended up paying around $10k for new engine. The value of the car still goes by mileage which is at 80k so it’s worth selling/trading. Im going to ride this thing to the ground. Also someone send me the link to the class action lawsuit pls.
43k for a non AMG engine is hilarious. Wtf is it made of? Gold?
Take it to a non ad and bring it to a german expert not ad!
Refurbished bmw engine here in europe cost 4.5 k euros with installation ♥️
I'm in the same boat. I'll never own another Mercedes. I owned a 2013 g63 AMG. At 60k miles it had rust under the windshield, leaking valve covers, leaking oil pan gasket, multiple idk sensors needing to be replaced. I did all the maintenance until I noticed Both turbos leaking oil. It's a full engine out service that an independent shop quoted 15k in labor on. I've owned a 2013 bmw m3 and it has 80k miles now and not a single thing has gone wrong. Mercedes is a hunk of junk. Bmw is bad, but Mercedes takes it to the next level
2018 C300. In one year: Broken panoramic roof due to debris stuck in the tracks. Failed transmission. Same engine failure you have. All the chrome trim is peeling, every seat has ripped, oil pump replaced twice, CEL basically has been on since purchase. Never again.
If you can find the Canadian Recall; print that out and write a letter to MB’s American HQ in Atlanta. Almost the same thing happened to my GL63 AMG (cylinder 5 exhaust valve issues) and luckily HQ over-rode the dealerships decision not to honor the extended warranty especially since it was a manufacturing defect. Good luck.
Definitely don’t want a bmw. They have just as many problems. I had an m6 back in the day and my tranny went out while I was going 80 in the fast lane on the highway lol that was just one time. Had to pay 8k + labor to get it replaced.
Bro get a Tacoma, solve all of your problems
Did they just tell you the price of buying a whole new car? What the heck
This is part of the reason why im debating on if i’ll get another MB. My one and only MB was a 2013 C300. I took care of it and got it with around 26k miles. Around 90k miles i was being told it would need a new transmission. At 90k i got rid of it and went back to honda. Got a 2017 accord sport. Some issues but at least it doesnt need a new eng or transmission before i hit 100k. In the accord, i got it around the same mileage i did with the MB Im at around 118k now i believe. Still going strong.
Mercedes are the worst car brand I've ever dealt with. Took in mine and asked them to look at a bunch of stuff as well as complete the "free" map update I kept getting notifications for. Halfway through they tell me I need to pay like £200 for the map update even after showing them the messages THEY sent me. They don't look at the stuff I asked for in the first place and call me a liar when I point it out, claiming I never asked in the first place. I used to get live traffic but as of this year I don't and I have to pay to get it again. Literally never buying a Mercedes again, customer service is dreadful and the cars just aren't built to last.
Mercedes is in crisis whether people realize it or not. Learned my lesson years ago with the GLC43 coupe. Refused to actually fix the pop up camera or the rattle on startup
I have a similar ish situation going on with my E63S that's making me want to go back to MOPAR First Benz I've owned. 2019 e63 that was a champion till November, it's been out of commission at the dealership since January with all sorts of parts being thrown at it and they can't even find the issue. Started with intermittent misfires and rough idle, they replaced them all, and the plugs, and the cats, and the intercoolers and flashed the ecu, and the tcu... They have AMG involved, and I was told the other day that there were LHM corporate people at the dealership including gale miller (idk if this is true or not) but they were very interested in what was going on with my car... I've always liked these cars and always said if I could afford one of these monsters It would be what takes me from my mopar roots. And I'm probably just unlucky with what I got, it's making me question the brand also. I feel your sense of WTF and I have only been a member of the AMG community for a little over 2 years
Buy tesla
I’m having a hell of a time with Mercedes and I’ve had it. My first time owning one and my last. Never again. I’ve had it 10 months, it had spent most of the last 5 weeks in the shop. It’s a 2020 GLS450 1 I had a much higher expectation from this brand. Livid.
Can you take it to a Canadian dealer and get them to replace the engine for free since it's been recalled? I don't understand how it's a recall in Canada but not the US? That's pretty fucked up...
2020 c43 AMG rear suspension failed along with 8k in little parts. Safe to say I bought a Lexus cuz the reliability was sooooo bad only had 54k on it
I was also a die hard MB fan. Most recently had a W206. Beautiful car, but a bucket of shit. MB are the Louis Vuitton of cars nowadays. You pay for nothing except the badge. I sold for a Kia Stinger and it’s a better car in every single aspect except maybe styling (although that’s subjective)
Audi right now: https://i.redd.it/gmjr00728u4d1.gif
Is this the M264 engine we are talking about or the M274 engine ? I noticed people complain about this piston issue around that year. I live in Europe and I made some research and noticed that people who live on the American continent have this issue. Because the w205 was built in Alabama for that market. I never heard this shit about the w205 built in Germany for the European market. So I guess quality here is way better. How about this dude with the GLC from 2016. This has to be the M274 engine if it’s GLC 300. Again this engine is pretty bulletproof here in Europe. Where you guys are getting your GLC’s from ? Mexico ? Here in Europe we get them from Germany. Overall I noticed that Mercedes cars which are not made in Germany tend to be shittier. If I was living on the American continent I would assure to buy only models that come strictly from Germany such as the E,CLS,SL,S,GT and the G (this one from Austria but it’s ok ) What you guys think about it ? I mean at the end of the day you want to enjoy your car that you like some much and avoid this huge clusterfuck like our friend here . And another thing that I want to add. If you are looking for reliability you don’t buy a BMW. Overall speaking if we have to make a statistic Mercedes is more reliable comparing to BMW. So if you really want to change brand I would get a Lexus but I wouldn’t. I would get a German Benz. But that’s me.
A lot of the US market is supplied with either domestically built or Mexican built cars. Some models are made in Germany, particularly the Canada only models, like the A class hatchback, and the B class. And a lot of issues do indeed seem to be prevalent in the models built in North America.
I feel like I’m getting this same issue as we speak. I have a 2016 C300 4matic (I think it’s W205?) and I’m at 80k miles and I’ve noticed for a few weeks (maybe even months now) that I’m feeling a very pronounced jerk or jolt when the car shifts gears, particularly when going from D1-D2-D3. Also the car jerks when it’s coming down in gears and I’m slowing down to a stop at a light or sign. I don’t know much about cars and maybe this is just how gears shift/an engine works, but it doesn’t feel smooth at all. No lights on the dash, stellar maintenance history, and I purchased it from an AD as CPO exactly 1 year ago. Can you tell me more about what you experienced when driving? Is there anything you would have done differently? (i.e. maybe looked to trade it in before getting to 90k) I’m really concerned. I almost feel like I saw this post for a reason, as if I need to act quickly before I’m stuck in a bad situation. I’m going to schedule an appointment for a diagnostic ASAP.
Basically what you’re describing, the car jerked and was rough at start and while idle…the shifts between gears were not as smooth especially in lower gears. I wouldn’t even try to diagnose it if I was you, I wouldn’t even drive it. Just get rid of it, just sell it asap! This engine is basically a ticking time bomb…Good luck and hopefully you never have to experience anything like I did!
My Benz messed up non stop. My audi is running strong at 180k miles and counting. No major repairs just brakes rotors and oil. That supercharged v6 is bulletproof
Anyone got any relatively new Mercs with 300k+ ? I drive between NY and Florida a lot I’m interested in the GLS but haven’t seen any at 200k yet and I like to run my cars up. My Honda got about 360k My 97 e class has been problem free but still has under 100 k as it’s in another country. 2015 Infiniti QX60 going strong 210k miles and climbing, transfer case was changed under warranty at 70k. 2 coils, thermostat and maf sensor, other than that it’s been regular maintenance. Now I’m also getting occasional cat codes so that’s gonna have to be changed as well.
Hey i bought my first MB in January - you mention that you did all the necessary services every 3k miles. That’s every 5.1k. What exactly are you doing every 5k? Outside of service A and service B; what else should I be doing? I haven’t done anything since getting the car except service B, and am genuinely curious how I can maintain the car better given the MB premium and high cost of repairs .
Change the oil. Check filters.
I was under the impression that newer Mercedes don’t need an oil change that often. I change the oil on my ‘04 X5 every 5k but was told by my mechanic that the oil on the MB is to be changed once a year or every 10,000k?
Well yeah it’s full synthetic so the 10k mark is the latest you can do oil changes for synthetic however, some people do 3k oil changes or 5k for higher mileage Mercedes to always ensure good oil and proper amount. My MB is a 2013 and I plan on doing the next oil change around 5k intervals. It could go longer probably like 7-10k but the engine I have is a V8 and I want to make sure it always has clean oil and the right amount of
Thank you for the detailed answer. I have a gls 450 at 67k. Last question (famous words) - in what interval do you recommend I should get an oil change? Thank you 🙏
You can do 10k intervals up until the car hits 100k, then I would say switch to 5k intervals. It’s subjective and everyone here will tell you differently but if I have to spend 200$ a few months earlier to have the peace of mind that I’m keeping everything 100% then why not
STOP BUYING MB 4 CYLINDERS THEY ARE TRASH. The 450/43 is the only reliable modern engine from mb everything else is awful. I hope people realize this sooner than later. They haven’t made a good v8 in ten years and the 4 cylinders have never been good
Which v8? The M723?
I think the m273 was good and the m278 is hit or miss. I personally own an m278 and have had no issues but I work at an MB dealer and have seen 10k mile m278 cars with fouled spark plugs, 30k mile engine replacements, the list goes on.
I disagree. The amg 4 cylinder has been one of my favorite engines to drive. I am a type r owner as well.
It’s fun to drive, peppy and sounds alright but the long term reliability just isn’t there. You’re getting 400hp out of a four cylinder engine with forced induction and 48 volt system. They engine has so many plastic parts and you just have too many things happening at once. Eventually something will break.
Yikes that or a failed tranny is probably the nightmare outcomes you can get. I’d ask the euro specialty garages in your area for their opinion at the very least before you commit.
Hmm… There is nothing like a W211 or W212 engine… I’m just saying…
Re: getting a BMW, you looking at one w/ the B58 engine?
I'll never own another BMW. They havent been the same since 2010ish.
Why not look for the right vehicle for you, rather than the badge on the bonnet? FYI, I own a BMW bike, Merc work van, but family cars are Mitusbishi and Honda. ;)
15 year MB driver, they upped the price in the ‘24 E disproportionately compared to all other models without justification, so after asking and asking and getting zero explanation I got a ‘24 BMW 5 series instead and couldn’t be happier. Obviously different situation than yours, but just jumping in to say the grass is very green over here.
So sorry you’re dealing with this! 😞. I would’ve shit myself with that replacement quote. Wow. 🤯 This sub does **not** like four cylinder engines. So, if you’re looking for empathy for your frustration; you’ve come to the right place. The guys here will tear another man down for driving a four cylinder and say it’s worse than a Yugo from the 80s. Worst engine and cars ever. lol.
I have a glb250 should I be worry ? Still have warranty until 2026
i had a 2020 glb, same exact issue where cylinder head needed to be replaced. Then it broke down again with the radiator sensor going off. Sold it, ate the lose. Bought c300 2020 same happened. Cylinder head was gone at 25k. Sold it ate the lose and told mb to fuck it self off. Now i drive a volvo xc60. You have the m260/264 engine. THIS ISSUE WILL HAPPENED IN SOME CAPACITY JUST WHEN IT THE IMPORTANT QUESTION.
I’m sorry that happened to you, very unfortunate situation. What I can say for BMW is I like how they have been looking ascetically, but my girlfriends family has 2 BRAND NEW BMW’s and they are constantly in the shop. One is a 24 X2, the other is a 24 760i with legitimately every single luxury package on it. I’m genially shocked how often they both need work and have to be in the shop. Especially considering the price tag.
I have a 2015 C300 with around 96,500 miles, what's the tell tale signs this may happen?
My business partner and his family had 4 Mercs - S400 Hybrid, GLE 450, C180 and A250. Of those, the A250 spent 2.5years out of 4 years ownership at Mercedes. The GLE broke down at 5,000 miles and was with Mercedes for absolute ages. The S400 had some minor issues and the C180 was a champ and gave no problems. The Mercedes dealerships had such bad service that I ended up contacting our country's head of Mercedes for assistance. Even he gave up trying. Needless to say, the family now doesn't own a single Mercedes. 25 years of owning only Mercedes down the drain for Merc. I wouldn't touch a new Merc.
I haven’t gotten to 80k miles. I’m still pretty happy with my 2018 C300 4MATIC. We’ll see what happens 40k miles from now.