Sounds great! :) If I use soil, should I add the Flora series from the start or wait until the soil's existing nutrients are depleted? Just worried about overfeeding..
I ran the 6 part and learned quick you only need the 3. I add terpinator later in flower just because I’ve been doing it forever and if it isn’t broke don’t fix it lol.
Thanks! I'm going to read up on it after work today. By the way, if I use soil, can I just add the Flora nutrients from the start or should I wait for the soil's existing nutrients to be depleted?
Perhaps I should reconsider using soil and opt for coco instead..
For soil I never added any nutrients for the first week or two, I always let the plant suck up what was in the soil and grow a bit before I started blasting it. That was a long long time ago (about 20 years since I last used soil), it might be done differently now with how far grow knowledge has progressed since then.
For coco you want to add them from the jump, but you can't do full strength you have dial it back, how much is something you'll have to google as I do not know the percentages since I've never grown in coco.
You already have all three. Just use them. Lucas Formula doesn't really have any benefit other than having one less measurement of nutrients. Not like it saves money since you just end up using more of the other two. Flora trio has been working and tested for many decades. I don't understand why people feel the need to do things differently for difference sake
You need pH up and pH down to adjust the pH of your water. I’m not familiar with that line, but it seems like enough. Where are you planning on getting water from? I use filtered tap water, but some people use distilled or reverse osmosis water.
I fucked myself enough without it. I didn't want to pay 25 bucks for a quart.... and actually just ordered the 60$ gallon. That should be a testament right there cause I'm cheap. 🤙🤙🤙
Awesome! You should be good with calcium then. Reverse osmosis and distilled don’t have calcium like tap water. Keep your pH in line and use those nutes you have with the feeding schedule general hydroponics gives and you should be golden! Do you have any ventilation equipment?
Please don't. If you have regular tap water and use soil then don't mess with pH at all for your first grow. The improvements you could get by adjusting pH are small but the damage you can do by messing it up are much bigger.
One of the biggest difficulties in the beginning is to judge the state of the plants. The more variables you adjust the more difficult it gets. In my opinion it is best for the first grow to minimize the amount of variables. Having a successful grow should have a higher priority than maximizing yield, at least before your first harvest.
I see what you are saying, but my tap water has a pH between 8.5 - 8.6. Everything I've read says I need to bring it down to around 6. I have a pH-meter.
Please don't listen to this. That has Tobe the worst advise I have heard. This is literally one of the first things needed. My water is at 8.5. That causes all kind of deficiencies and really quickly. Yes soil buffers the water, but you will have issues.
Please also compare your measurements with the water report from your local water supplier. pH measurements are very error prone. If your values match the water report you know you are measuring correctly.
Temperature and EC measurements are foolproof but pH and humidity can easily be wrong.
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I use Happy Frog, GH Trio(half recommended strength), and PH down(only during veg because the flower nutes set my water perfect) with no need for calmag. It'll depend on strain, but using soil I think calmag is less important. If you go coco that may be a different story.
Anyone recommend adding silica to this? If so can you explain what it does? I run this lineup + calmag and some mycro on occasion. But I've heard silica is great.
1. Silica is amazing for big stems and flowers and makes the stems unpenetrable to mites bc it thickens the stem walls.
2. Did i mention how great and amazing silica is?
3. Did i mention 1 and 2?
You ever see the big knots or globs were the branches meet the stalk on some plants ? That's silica makes huge veins essentially for more uptake and what the other guy said.
You can use only the micro and bloom though the whole plants life cycle if you follow the Lucas formula.
That’s what I used in my first hydro grow, and for years after.
Micro, bloom, and the Lucas formula.
The lucas formula is merely just a ratio which makes it crazy easy to get great results. The formula is 0-1-2 (G-M-B). So if your plant looks hungry, you just up your feed in the same ratio. 0-2-4, 0-4-8, 0-8-16 etc...
I use the Florabloom in my Soil grows during flower with good results.
ProTip: Add your Flora Series nutes and whatever other additives THEN pH your water BEFORE adding pH down/up. Florabloom in particular in my experience is very acidic and will usually get my water down to within 6.0-6.8-ish range (at 2-3 tsp/gallon) without me needing to add PH down. I use my tap water which usually has a PH of 8-8.5 before adjusting. Check PH first then add PH up/down if needed. I usually don't need ph down at all when I feed Florabloom.
Edit for clarity/spelling
Started with GH and quickly switched to powdered nutes (Jack's 321) when I realized liquid nutes are a money sink. For the amount of plants I do I'd burn through over 150$ GH every couple months. I can spend 180 on powdered nutes and be good for 4 or 5 years. Use it til it's gone, you won't like it. I can pump my plants with 2.0+ec with jack's without burning. Throw 1.2 to 1.4ec of GH at a weed plant you'll burn it.
One fact is, powdered nutrients are a better bang for your buck though. They last longer and could be easier. Yes it's easier to not burn your plants with powdered nutrients, but you can definitely get a successful harvest with GH. I used it. I personally didn't use the potassium (green bottle)supplements, just floramicro and florabloom.
Long story short, ur not gonna burn anything unless ur feeding incorrectly. Weed doesn't need that much nutrients in veg, so u can literally feed under 5 ml per gallon and be fine. When it comes to bloom, slowly ease from vegetative to bloom feeding and take it easy. Each feeding, analyze ur plant the next day to check for burns until u find the sweet spot. With GH, you're going to be feeding more frequently, so there's no need to worry about benefitting/ risking burns from high PPM feedings. Just keep it simple
Flawless grows with jack's, end results are top shelf and better. Flowered clones with jack's next to a mother with GH and the jack's was overall, and visibly better. Only thing I add outside of jack's is some GH ArmorSi for silica, and some tribus and/or recharge, maybe kelp if I have it. And if I'm vegging a plant a long time some saponins like yucca to keep the substrate hydrophilic. GH doesn't have as much sulfur as jack's, that extra sulfur should help increase terpenes, and I noticed it with the mother/clone side by side.
Also haven't had to flush my plants with jack's. With GH I was needing to flush every 3 weeks and before going into flower.
I’m not saying your experience is wrong.
However, to provide a different experience:
I use GH powdered nutes and feed right below their recommended amounts of EC. My plants don’t usually experience any burn outside of maybe a tiny bit of yellow tips if I run them too heavy. - but even then, I’m kind of trying to stress them a bit.
Look at all the old school bud pics. Look at almost all of the designer bud pics online now - they almost all have tiny little yellow tips on their fans.
My nute burn issues ended the second I bought a better EC pen.
Net net - YMMV - powered GH nutes have been awesome for me.
Been using 70/30 coir-perl in 5 gallon buckets without issue watering with 30% runoff. I believe it can be used in a res at lower dose just have to watch how your pH fluxes with your water source during the course of the week. Some people have reverse osmosis with 7.0ph some have 5.5ph, plus however much dissolved oxygen. So depends what you're working with. I've talked to people who use it successfully in acinfinity bases, and wicks in fabric pots requiring less maintenance than manual watering. I manually top water, but that's just me.
I've had issues mixing Jack's 321. Never an issue with the epsom salt, but the other part of Jack's never seems to fully dissolve. Using Makita 18v on high speed with a paint mixer. Any suggestions?
Electric Water Ketel, they boil fairly quick. I mix part 1+Epsom in plastic jugs with hot water. GH Silica gets put in the main bucket alone with water, then part 1 dumped in when dissolved. Then I throw the part 2 granules straight in the bucket, and with a few stirs, pt2 dissolves easy. You might still notice very sparse undisolved solids from part 1 at the bottom of your bucket that could be trace minerals that are harder to dissolve, as long as your water stays clear and particle free after part 2 and pH'ing your good to go
If you use silica also you just have to be careful not to add part 2 directly after the silica thinking that being diluted in solution it will stop a reaction. High pH will cause part 2 to fog up and condense particles in the water, so if your doing higher concentrations to dilute down to correct ppm/ec beware of that. That high pH is usually caused by silica pushing it into that high pH threshold where part 2 can mix weird. Normally part 1 brings the pH down where that doesn't happen, which is one reason why order of mixing matters. But, I've only had this happen when mixing 100-200% over dosages in small volumes of water to dilute down into multiple buckets.
1.2-1.4ec of GH won’t burn every single plant. It’s definitely strain dependent. Right now I’m feeding this trio and cal mag at 1.9 and this strain is loving it. I just finished up Girl Scout cookies and it was burning around 1.6ec.
First grows I did with GH I couldn't go past 1.2 without burning, and wasn't able to max out my light either. I also had some autos that couldn't go past 1.0 without burn. With jack's I'm pumping photos upto 2.3ec in flower, even the last auto I did I managed to hit 1.9ec - all while maxing my light intensity at the same time.
If someone's only doing a handfull of plants every year GH isn't a bad choice to learn, but anyone who goes into the hobbyist grow should switch to powder, or no til/living soil just to not be sapped for cash
Check out spurrs thread on ICmag. It’s called “spurrs groundbreaking mixes” or some shit but he basically made a really good ratio made specifically for cannabis based on tissue analysis. I used it for years and still use it as a base but with a few minor tweaks. Basically it’s 5/5/7 micro/grow/bloom all the way thru flower, with added Epsom salt and calmag+ and fulvic or any other additives you’d like. Some of the best buds I’ve ever grown were with that formula which is pretty much a 3-1-4 NPK ratio
I use calmag but have had badass success with the gh line like the others have said. Still use it to this day, I actually only use bloom and micro in dwc hydro
Its absolutely all you need. One can grow great product with just the three, however that isn't the same as saying that additional supplekentsband additives have nothing to add. Gh makes many other boosters and supplements and has feeding charts for adding those products to your regimen.
As an example, there is a silica supplement. You don't need it, but adding it strengthened and thickened my stems. They require less support
There is a rooting supplement. You don't need it. But adding it drastically lowered the time it took me to fill a pot with root mass.
Personally I switched to using dry amendments, as it was much easier for me to just water than to keep making flora trio and having to adjust the PPM and PH, to ensure the soil mass had the correct amounts of what I wanted
I've used these in soil, coco and hydro. No need for anything else in my experience. I have used silicate as well but that's mostly for the extra pH stability it provides in hydro.
I've had excellent results running this trio along with ph up/down, calimagic and armor Si. The calimagic and armor Si are optional but you must make sure your ph is in range. You'll probably want a calibrated EC pen and ph pen.
Started with this trio, used only the 3 you see here and had excellent results, healthy plants, no issues, just moved to Canna, but really the GH Trio is a corner stone of weed growing nutrients, so many people get their 1st grow rolling with this, or get sorted out with GH Trio after a shitty line, so many crappy nutrient lines, so don't worry, GH Trio is actually decent.
I'm using this too in my soil grow. you might wanna wait for week 2 or 3 to start feeding them.
If you're using tap water with 220-230ish ppm i believe there is no need for CalMag. From my understanding, basically you just want to monitor the ppm and PH.
My tap water is around 223 ppm, so for the seedling phase I'm golden.
my tap water 7.6-7.8 PH. Micro lowers my ph usually to 7.2-7.3. So I dont even need PHup, only down.
In veg you dont want to go over 500ppm so add the nutes based on ppm number
Only nutes needed yes. Calmag and silica are not used by all I guess , but they are liked by cannabis and help in many ways like vigor, nutrient uptake, branch strength, pm prevention etc .Also recharge is a great microbe additive that I have definitely noticed a difference since using. I personally wouldn't want to be without these 3 after seeing the difference when added along with the gh trio.
I have been running GH for 30 years , here there site , I run there 10 part never had a problem in water or soil , good luck
https://generalhydroponics.com/category/documentation/feedcharts/
Been using flora trio + calmag for years indoors. Down the line you can add all types of crazy shit like terp builder or body builder but ehhhhh that’s preference after experience. I’ve had the best results keeping it simple and using flora trio + calmag. GL
Thanks, friend. What medium do you use? Or what do you recommend for a newbie like me? I still haven't decided if I'm going to use soil or soilless.
I understand that for soilless, I'm supposed to add the nutrients from day 1, but what about soil that already has a lot of nutrients? And do soils even need CalMag?
Cheers :)
I’ve tried hydroponics, for me it was too much upkeep and had bad results. I would start with a soil grow (get good friggin soil). I use FF ocean forest by itself. I only give them tap water for the first 4-5 weeks (at this point I moved my plant from seedling cube to a red solo cup), then start introducing the 4 parts oh GH. I go from seedling cube, to solo cup, to 2 gallon smart pot. 3 plants will usually net me 4 ounces or so. More if the girls are topped / LST.
There’s been a lot of chatter that calmag should be used for indoor grows. I thought calmag was needed but to be honest not sure it’s really needed, I just do it more for peace of mind. Your light source is fine for a small grow, I use a mars hydro 100w, grows 4 plants just fine in a 3x3x6.
When I first started growing I didn’t use the humidifier as it should be and my plants had cellular breakdown. It’ll look like you have lockout or nutrient deficiency. Ruined a few plants till I figured this out.
Biggest factors are use a humidifier, get good soil, and water every couple days. When I see my girls get a slight droop in the leaves it’s time to water. I’ll get shit for this but I don’t use ph additives, or even check ph; I used to but from my experience it made me more paranoid, concerned, and messed up my feeding ratios trying to get perfect ph levels. Luckily KY has some of the best tap water in the country, haven’t had an issue for years.
Growing is pretty intimidating at first but after a few grows it’s a breeze. I find it one of the easiest plants to grow. 5 minutes a day max to check in and cater to the girls.
Now growing tomatoes, that’s a fickle plant due to splitting (needs constant water schedule; too little or too much causes the fruit to split aka burst).
Just used the GH on H6
Thc;33%
Terps over 3.3%
Quality is amazing gotta switch, costing me over a 1k a week!
Used the 6part probably going to switch to the 3 part micro gro bloom plus cali
I'm in missouri . if your water is like ours you could look into the hardwater version of the mirco. that's if you like this series. AN has a similar 3 part with ph stability if you like 3 parts. 2 part powders are cheap and effective too plus you can pre bag the separate parts into kits if you need someone else to make a tank for you. I have health needs that mean I can be hospitalized for a week or 2 at a time so having kits my BF or sister can fill to a line , dump, stir and then turn on a irrigation timer really makes it easier for non plant people to help in a pinch. just something to think about depending on your situation. I have even used one parts like mega crop with some pretty decent success. Simple can 100% deliver good product.
I tried using and they worked great just hard to adjust from seed to flower. So instead I use those nutrients but feed it using the Lucas method which is 1 part micro and 2 parts bloom so much easier and my plants have never looked better haven’t ran into by deficiency’s(hydroponics dwc)
I talked to a guy yesterday at a hydroponics store here in Salem Oregon. I asked him what he thought about General Hydroponics nutrients. He said that they are just fine but the ARE owned by Monsanto. I'm such a woke liberal that I am going to switch to Fox Farms when my current supply runs out. My HydroBucket plants do look very good with General Hydroponics. I am quite happy with the results. I am NOT trying to make any kind of a political statement but I am going to switch to Fox Farms
I found this: Every now and again the rumor of Monsanto buying out FoxFarm rears it's ugly head so I sent an email to FF asking them if they could confirm the rumor. Below is the response I received from FF customer service manager Hannah, which I found interesting.
"Thank you for contacting FoxFarm with your concern, it is no bother at all! I would be happy to help you.
The rumors you are referring to are simply that – just rumors. A while ago Scotts/Monsanto published a statement saying that they were interested in buying small soil and fertilizer companies that sell to hydro stores and independently owned garden centers, allowing them access to a new market. FoxFarm happens to be a company that sells exclusively to both hydro stores and independently owned garden centers, so when this article came out, we became a target. These rumors essentially tarnish our reputation as a small, locally based business.
Scotts/Monsanto did purchase General Hydroponics and VermiCrop but did not purchase FoxFarm. FoxFarm has not sold to nor has any plans to sell to Scotts, Monsanto, or anyone else. We will continue to make the highest quality soils and fertilizers available, and we will continue to be a small operation that supports its local community
Thanks again for your concern and interest in FoxFarm. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to contact us. To learn more about our company, new products, and download our latest feeding schedules please visit www.FoxFarmFertilizer.com.
Thank you. I will check. Monsanto sueing small farmers over proprietary seeds and the chocolate companies using slaves are not the kind of companies that I want to be involved with.
Yes all you need. Ran those nutes only for 20+ years.
Listen to this guy. Been using this line for 20+ years also.
No CalMag?
Usually only really consistently required for hydro with RO water where you strip the water completely and add back.
You need Cal not Mag I most cases. Calcium Sulphate at 1gram/gallon is all you need.
I hear a lot about it but have never used it. Yet.
I been using this product to for just 1 year and it’s amazing I even add bud candy during flower and wow man just wow for me
Sounds great! :) If I use soil, should I add the Flora series from the start or wait until the soil's existing nutrients are depleted? Just worried about overfeeding..
Wait until soil is depleted (about a month) but add calcium magnesium to the mix.
I’m in the same phase right now. Soil is depleted so it is time to introduce them to some Floras 😎
I ran the 6 part and learned quick you only need the 3. I add terpinator later in flower just because I’ve been doing it forever and if it isn’t broke don’t fix it lol.
Not saying it doesn't work.. but that's a lot of $ down the drain over 20 years.
I just use Brawndo. It has all a plant needs.
You honestly only even need 2 of those (Micro and Bloom) if you're using hydroponics or coco, google Lucas Formula mate.
Thanks! I'm going to read up on it after work today. By the way, if I use soil, can I just add the Flora nutrients from the start or should I wait for the soil's existing nutrients to be depleted? Perhaps I should reconsider using soil and opt for coco instead..
For soil I never added any nutrients for the first week or two, I always let the plant suck up what was in the soil and grow a bit before I started blasting it. That was a long long time ago (about 20 years since I last used soil), it might be done differently now with how far grow knowledge has progressed since then. For coco you want to add them from the jump, but you can't do full strength you have dial it back, how much is something you'll have to google as I do not know the percentages since I've never grown in coco.
You already have all three. Just use them. Lucas Formula doesn't really have any benefit other than having one less measurement of nutrients. Not like it saves money since you just end up using more of the other two. Flora trio has been working and tested for many decades. I don't understand why people feel the need to do things differently for difference sake
You need pH up and pH down to adjust the pH of your water. I’m not familiar with that line, but it seems like enough. Where are you planning on getting water from? I use filtered tap water, but some people use distilled or reverse osmosis water.
I'll be using tap water with pH down
PH up? You probably need down to lower the pH. I'd invest in a decent pH pen, as pH will determine if your plants can absorb nutrients.
If you’re in hydro it be a good an idea to get some hydroguard. A root enhancer wouldn’t be bad either
This. Don't waste your time by not getting it.. imo
Take this seriously op. Hydro needs bennies too.
I fucked myself enough without it. I didn't want to pay 25 bucks for a quart.... and actually just ordered the 60$ gallon. That should be a testament right there cause I'm cheap. 🤙🤙🤙
Awesome! You should be good with calcium then. Reverse osmosis and distilled don’t have calcium like tap water. Keep your pH in line and use those nutes you have with the feeding schedule general hydroponics gives and you should be golden! Do you have any ventilation equipment?
Yup. I have a tent with inline fan, and two smaller circulation fans inside it + air humidifier. Thanks :)
Please don't. If you have regular tap water and use soil then don't mess with pH at all for your first grow. The improvements you could get by adjusting pH are small but the damage you can do by messing it up are much bigger. One of the biggest difficulties in the beginning is to judge the state of the plants. The more variables you adjust the more difficult it gets. In my opinion it is best for the first grow to minimize the amount of variables. Having a successful grow should have a higher priority than maximizing yield, at least before your first harvest.
I see what you are saying, but my tap water has a pH between 8.5 - 8.6. Everything I've read says I need to bring it down to around 6. I have a pH-meter.
Please don't listen to this. That has Tobe the worst advise I have heard. This is literally one of the first things needed. My water is at 8.5. That causes all kind of deficiencies and really quickly. Yes soil buffers the water, but you will have issues.
Please also compare your measurements with the water report from your local water supplier. pH measurements are very error prone. If your values match the water report you know you are measuring correctly. Temperature and EC measurements are foolproof but pH and humidity can easily be wrong.
Thanks. I'll make sure to check the report and compare.
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You should have CalMag as well.
Thanks. Does that apply to both soilless media and soil?
I use Happy Frog, GH Trio(half recommended strength), and PH down(only during veg because the flower nutes set my water perfect) with no need for calmag. It'll depend on strain, but using soil I think calmag is less important. If you go coco that may be a different story.
Yes.
Anyone recommend adding silica to this? If so can you explain what it does? I run this lineup + calmag and some mycro on occasion. But I've heard silica is great.
1. Silica is amazing for big stems and flowers and makes the stems unpenetrable to mites bc it thickens the stem walls. 2. Did i mention how great and amazing silica is? 3. Did i mention 1 and 2?
I heard or read recently to cut out the silica during flowering, any thoughts on that?
Yes i believe most people will stop in flower stage to prevent huge stems in buds. I plan to stop adding silica after stretch stage of flower
Silica is great helps turn stems into tree trunks
You ever see the big knots or globs were the branches meet the stalk on some plants ? That's silica makes huge veins essentially for more uptake and what the other guy said.
You can use only the micro and bloom though the whole plants life cycle if you follow the Lucas formula. That’s what I used in my first hydro grow, and for years after. Micro, bloom, and the Lucas formula.
But why? Why not just use all 3?
The lucas formula is merely just a ratio which makes it crazy easy to get great results. The formula is 0-1-2 (G-M-B). So if your plant looks hungry, you just up your feed in the same ratio. 0-2-4, 0-4-8, 0-8-16 etc...
Feeding all three isn't difficult to adjust for either. I've never heard of an actual good reason for the Lucas Formula.
I use this, Hydroguard, ph up and down. DWC setup.
I use the Florabloom in my Soil grows during flower with good results. ProTip: Add your Flora Series nutes and whatever other additives THEN pH your water BEFORE adding pH down/up. Florabloom in particular in my experience is very acidic and will usually get my water down to within 6.0-6.8-ish range (at 2-3 tsp/gallon) without me needing to add PH down. I use my tap water which usually has a PH of 8-8.5 before adjusting. Check PH first then add PH up/down if needed. I usually don't need ph down at all when I feed Florabloom. Edit for clarity/spelling
Thanks, friend. Good to know! My tap water is also a bit too high for cannabis: 7.5. I'll follow the order you recommend.
Started with GH and quickly switched to powdered nutes (Jack's 321) when I realized liquid nutes are a money sink. For the amount of plants I do I'd burn through over 150$ GH every couple months. I can spend 180 on powdered nutes and be good for 4 or 5 years. Use it til it's gone, you won't like it. I can pump my plants with 2.0+ec with jack's without burning. Throw 1.2 to 1.4ec of GH at a weed plant you'll burn it.
But I'm only growing one plant at a time in my closet, so cost efficiency is not a concern for me.
One fact is, powdered nutrients are a better bang for your buck though. They last longer and could be easier. Yes it's easier to not burn your plants with powdered nutrients, but you can definitely get a successful harvest with GH. I used it. I personally didn't use the potassium (green bottle)supplements, just floramicro and florabloom. Long story short, ur not gonna burn anything unless ur feeding incorrectly. Weed doesn't need that much nutrients in veg, so u can literally feed under 5 ml per gallon and be fine. When it comes to bloom, slowly ease from vegetative to bloom feeding and take it easy. Each feeding, analyze ur plant the next day to check for burns until u find the sweet spot. With GH, you're going to be feeding more frequently, so there's no need to worry about benefitting/ risking burns from high PPM feedings. Just keep it simple
How do you like Jack's? I'm using the same nutes as OP and it seems like I burn my plants every time.
Flawless grows with jack's, end results are top shelf and better. Flowered clones with jack's next to a mother with GH and the jack's was overall, and visibly better. Only thing I add outside of jack's is some GH ArmorSi for silica, and some tribus and/or recharge, maybe kelp if I have it. And if I'm vegging a plant a long time some saponins like yucca to keep the substrate hydrophilic. GH doesn't have as much sulfur as jack's, that extra sulfur should help increase terpenes, and I noticed it with the mother/clone side by side. Also haven't had to flush my plants with jack's. With GH I was needing to flush every 3 weeks and before going into flower.
I’m not saying your experience is wrong. However, to provide a different experience: I use GH powdered nutes and feed right below their recommended amounts of EC. My plants don’t usually experience any burn outside of maybe a tiny bit of yellow tips if I run them too heavy. - but even then, I’m kind of trying to stress them a bit. Look at all the old school bud pics. Look at almost all of the designer bud pics online now - they almost all have tiny little yellow tips on their fans. My nute burn issues ended the second I bought a better EC pen. Net net - YMMV - powered GH nutes have been awesome for me.
Does jacks do good in a reservoir/with coco?
Been using 70/30 coir-perl in 5 gallon buckets without issue watering with 30% runoff. I believe it can be used in a res at lower dose just have to watch how your pH fluxes with your water source during the course of the week. Some people have reverse osmosis with 7.0ph some have 5.5ph, plus however much dissolved oxygen. So depends what you're working with. I've talked to people who use it successfully in acinfinity bases, and wicks in fabric pots requiring less maintenance than manual watering. I manually top water, but that's just me.
I've had issues mixing Jack's 321. Never an issue with the epsom salt, but the other part of Jack's never seems to fully dissolve. Using Makita 18v on high speed with a paint mixer. Any suggestions?
Electric Water Ketel, they boil fairly quick. I mix part 1+Epsom in plastic jugs with hot water. GH Silica gets put in the main bucket alone with water, then part 1 dumped in when dissolved. Then I throw the part 2 granules straight in the bucket, and with a few stirs, pt2 dissolves easy. You might still notice very sparse undisolved solids from part 1 at the bottom of your bucket that could be trace minerals that are harder to dissolve, as long as your water stays clear and particle free after part 2 and pH'ing your good to go If you use silica also you just have to be careful not to add part 2 directly after the silica thinking that being diluted in solution it will stop a reaction. High pH will cause part 2 to fog up and condense particles in the water, so if your doing higher concentrations to dilute down to correct ppm/ec beware of that. That high pH is usually caused by silica pushing it into that high pH threshold where part 2 can mix weird. Normally part 1 brings the pH down where that doesn't happen, which is one reason why order of mixing matters. But, I've only had this happen when mixing 100-200% over dosages in small volumes of water to dilute down into multiple buckets.
1.2-1.4ec of GH won’t burn every single plant. It’s definitely strain dependent. Right now I’m feeding this trio and cal mag at 1.9 and this strain is loving it. I just finished up Girl Scout cookies and it was burning around 1.6ec.
First grows I did with GH I couldn't go past 1.2 without burning, and wasn't able to max out my light either. I also had some autos that couldn't go past 1.0 without burn. With jack's I'm pumping photos upto 2.3ec in flower, even the last auto I did I managed to hit 1.9ec - all while maxing my light intensity at the same time. If someone's only doing a handfull of plants every year GH isn't a bad choice to learn, but anyone who goes into the hobbyist grow should switch to powder, or no til/living soil just to not be sapped for cash
I run 1.3-1.5 all day with GH no issues for 20+ years.
Check out spurrs thread on ICmag. It’s called “spurrs groundbreaking mixes” or some shit but he basically made a really good ratio made specifically for cannabis based on tissue analysis. I used it for years and still use it as a base but with a few minor tweaks. Basically it’s 5/5/7 micro/grow/bloom all the way thru flower, with added Epsom salt and calmag+ and fulvic or any other additives you’d like. Some of the best buds I’ve ever grown were with that formula which is pretty much a 3-1-4 NPK ratio
Shit beats the hell out of the Lucas or h3ad formula which use too much P imo, try it out on a plant and see how you like it!
I use calmag but have had badass success with the gh line like the others have said. Still use it to this day, I actually only use bloom and micro in dwc hydro
Add si and cal mag and that is all you will need.
Its absolutely all you need. One can grow great product with just the three, however that isn't the same as saying that additional supplekentsband additives have nothing to add. Gh makes many other boosters and supplements and has feeding charts for adding those products to your regimen. As an example, there is a silica supplement. You don't need it, but adding it strengthened and thickened my stems. They require less support There is a rooting supplement. You don't need it. But adding it drastically lowered the time it took me to fill a pot with root mass. Personally I switched to using dry amendments, as it was much easier for me to just water than to keep making flora trio and having to adjust the PPM and PH, to ensure the soil mass had the correct amounts of what I wanted
I've used these in soil, coco and hydro. No need for anything else in my experience. I have used silicate as well but that's mostly for the extra pH stability it provides in hydro.
Yes and some pH up and down. You’ll be good
I've had excellent results running this trio along with ph up/down, calimagic and armor Si. The calimagic and armor Si are optional but you must make sure your ph is in range. You'll probably want a calibrated EC pen and ph pen.
Started with this trio, used only the 3 you see here and had excellent results, healthy plants, no issues, just moved to Canna, but really the GH Trio is a corner stone of weed growing nutrients, so many people get their 1st grow rolling with this, or get sorted out with GH Trio after a shitty line, so many crappy nutrient lines, so don't worry, GH Trio is actually decent.
I'm using this too in my soil grow. you might wanna wait for week 2 or 3 to start feeding them. If you're using tap water with 220-230ish ppm i believe there is no need for CalMag. From my understanding, basically you just want to monitor the ppm and PH. My tap water is around 223 ppm, so for the seedling phase I'm golden. my tap water 7.6-7.8 PH. Micro lowers my ph usually to 7.2-7.3. So I dont even need PHup, only down. In veg you dont want to go over 500ppm so add the nutes based on ppm number
Yup 100%
Yeah, that's basically all you need. But I also use fulvic acid from this company. It's good for plant health. But it’s totally optional.
Only nutes needed yes. Calmag and silica are not used by all I guess , but they are liked by cannabis and help in many ways like vigor, nutrient uptake, branch strength, pm prevention etc .Also recharge is a great microbe additive that I have definitely noticed a difference since using. I personally wouldn't want to be without these 3 after seeing the difference when added along with the gh trio.
Thanks for your insights. I will look at calmag. Is that one useful for both soil and soilles medium?
I always keep cal mag on deck for every run
I’ve heard these a great nutrient line
I have been running GH for 30 years , here there site , I run there 10 part never had a problem in water or soil , good luck https://generalhydroponics.com/category/documentation/feedcharts/
Fantastic and easy to use
Silica and cal mag from them is good
Use Lucas formula with that 3 part and you can do well.
Been using flora trio + calmag for years indoors. Down the line you can add all types of crazy shit like terp builder or body builder but ehhhhh that’s preference after experience. I’ve had the best results keeping it simple and using flora trio + calmag. GL
Thanks, friend. What medium do you use? Or what do you recommend for a newbie like me? I still haven't decided if I'm going to use soil or soilless. I understand that for soilless, I'm supposed to add the nutrients from day 1, but what about soil that already has a lot of nutrients? And do soils even need CalMag? Cheers :)
I’ve tried hydroponics, for me it was too much upkeep and had bad results. I would start with a soil grow (get good friggin soil). I use FF ocean forest by itself. I only give them tap water for the first 4-5 weeks (at this point I moved my plant from seedling cube to a red solo cup), then start introducing the 4 parts oh GH. I go from seedling cube, to solo cup, to 2 gallon smart pot. 3 plants will usually net me 4 ounces or so. More if the girls are topped / LST. There’s been a lot of chatter that calmag should be used for indoor grows. I thought calmag was needed but to be honest not sure it’s really needed, I just do it more for peace of mind. Your light source is fine for a small grow, I use a mars hydro 100w, grows 4 plants just fine in a 3x3x6. When I first started growing I didn’t use the humidifier as it should be and my plants had cellular breakdown. It’ll look like you have lockout or nutrient deficiency. Ruined a few plants till I figured this out. Biggest factors are use a humidifier, get good soil, and water every couple days. When I see my girls get a slight droop in the leaves it’s time to water. I’ll get shit for this but I don’t use ph additives, or even check ph; I used to but from my experience it made me more paranoid, concerned, and messed up my feeding ratios trying to get perfect ph levels. Luckily KY has some of the best tap water in the country, haven’t had an issue for years. Growing is pretty intimidating at first but after a few grows it’s a breeze. I find it one of the easiest plants to grow. 5 minutes a day max to check in and cater to the girls. Now growing tomatoes, that’s a fickle plant due to splitting (needs constant water schedule; too little or too much causes the fruit to split aka burst).
Thank you so much for the informative response. It's really helpful. Notes taken. :)
Just used the GH on H6 Thc;33% Terps over 3.3% Quality is amazing gotta switch, costing me over a 1k a week! Used the 6part probably going to switch to the 3 part micro gro bloom plus cali
I would buy a small bottle of cheap cal mag just in case and a really good ph monitor. you have ph up and down too right?
Calmag ordered. I have a PH monitor and PH down. The tap water where I live is on the high side.
I'm in missouri . if your water is like ours you could look into the hardwater version of the mirco. that's if you like this series. AN has a similar 3 part with ph stability if you like 3 parts. 2 part powders are cheap and effective too plus you can pre bag the separate parts into kits if you need someone else to make a tank for you. I have health needs that mean I can be hospitalized for a week or 2 at a time so having kits my BF or sister can fill to a line , dump, stir and then turn on a irrigation timer really makes it easier for non plant people to help in a pinch. just something to think about depending on your situation. I have even used one parts like mega crop with some pretty decent success. Simple can 100% deliver good product.
Thanks a lot for the info, very helpful. I'm actually from Sweden but I think the water here is similar at pH 7.5. Notes taken! :)
I've been using these at half the recommended strength on the back of the bottle with good results.
I tried using and they worked great just hard to adjust from seed to flower. So instead I use those nutrients but feed it using the Lucas method which is 1 part micro and 2 parts bloom so much easier and my plants have never looked better haven’t ran into by deficiency’s(hydroponics dwc)
I talked to a guy yesterday at a hydroponics store here in Salem Oregon. I asked him what he thought about General Hydroponics nutrients. He said that they are just fine but the ARE owned by Monsanto. I'm such a woke liberal that I am going to switch to Fox Farms when my current supply runs out. My HydroBucket plants do look very good with General Hydroponics. I am quite happy with the results. I am NOT trying to make any kind of a political statement but I am going to switch to Fox Farms
Pretty sure fox farm got bought out by the same conglomerate. 🤷♂️
I found this: Every now and again the rumor of Monsanto buying out FoxFarm rears it's ugly head so I sent an email to FF asking them if they could confirm the rumor. Below is the response I received from FF customer service manager Hannah, which I found interesting. "Thank you for contacting FoxFarm with your concern, it is no bother at all! I would be happy to help you. The rumors you are referring to are simply that – just rumors. A while ago Scotts/Monsanto published a statement saying that they were interested in buying small soil and fertilizer companies that sell to hydro stores and independently owned garden centers, allowing them access to a new market. FoxFarm happens to be a company that sells exclusively to both hydro stores and independently owned garden centers, so when this article came out, we became a target. These rumors essentially tarnish our reputation as a small, locally based business. Scotts/Monsanto did purchase General Hydroponics and VermiCrop but did not purchase FoxFarm. FoxFarm has not sold to nor has any plans to sell to Scotts, Monsanto, or anyone else. We will continue to make the highest quality soils and fertilizers available, and we will continue to be a small operation that supports its local community Thanks again for your concern and interest in FoxFarm. If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to contact us. To learn more about our company, new products, and download our latest feeding schedules please visit www.FoxFarmFertilizer.com.
Thank you. I will check. Monsanto sueing small farmers over proprietary seeds and the chocolate companies using slaves are not the kind of companies that I want to be involved with.
Canna is a great nutrient line too, if your local hydro shop has a full Canna line up I highly recommend that, Canna Coco A and B is my jam.
Return that trash!!’
Looks like ripoff to me