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Bodorocea

and the Oscar goes to Leonardo DiCaprio for the role of Ghenghis Khan


StolenRocket

The ginger hair was a bold choice. Also enjoyed Chalamet in his role of Alexander and Jeremy Allen White as Napoleon


EnkiduOdinson

The red hair and green eyes are the most historically accurate thing about that image


Swagganosaurus

No it's not, the 14th-century Persian chronicler Rashid al-Din, who claimed Genghis had red hair and green eyes. Al-Din’s account is questionable—he never met the Khan in person. This is like some Pope in 10 century claimed Jesus is white


Omnimpotent

Jesus isn’t white?! *clutches pearls*


NameIdeas

I went down a research rabbit hole on this one.. You're right that Rashid al-Din never met Chinggis/Genghis in person. In that account, the word interpreted by some as "red-haired" is the word *ruddy*. That word is used in both of the primary translations of Rashid al-Din's *Jami al-Tawarikh*. In the original Persian text, the word transliterated into *ruddy* is the Persian word *ashgarani*. This word has potentially two meanings: "red-colored horse" or "man of white and red features." The context of the passage is that Chinggis/Genghis is being compared to Khubilai Khan, his grandson. They are describing Khubilai as dark-skinned. A contrast of red-haired to dark-skinned would also not make sense. The comparison would have been Genghis's red-cheeked/reddish complexion to Khubilai's darker skin tone (due to Khubilai's mother's people). For the green eyes, that is also up for debate. The word used for green eyes could be interpreted as yellow, Grey, or simply *dark-eyed.* I think this is an instance where people have looked at the text and choosing what they wanted to see in it.


Yelesa

Ghengis Khan lived in the 13th century, that’a pretty close. Did you confuse him with Attila the Hun?


EnkiduOdinson

So i'm still technically correct because we have a historical account of the hair and eyes and literally everything else in that image looks made up (armor etc.). Also a pope ten centuries removed from Jesus' time and a chronicler living not even a century after Ghengis Khan are two very different levels of questionable.


Swagganosaurus

There are portrait that based on Yuan dynasty (his direct descendant) description that I waver more accurate than that.


RicardoTheGreat

You make a good point but just to play devils advocate; Red hair is recessive and could easily disappear from a bloodline in one generation.


ulfhedinnnnn

Al-Din literally wrote that while in the court of one of Genghis Khan’s descendants. He is the best source we have for what Genghis Khan looked like, and we know that a lot of his grandchildren had red hair and green eyes.


peanutbutteronbanana

John Wayne was robbed!!!


[deleted]

at least he got cancer as a consolation prize for the movie


RicardoTheGreat

/r/behindthebastards is leaking


Hellhound777

You can tell the AI tried to make it asian, but couldn’t go through all the way.


ErstwhileAdranos

*Benicio del Toro


BreakfastBusiness810

Pre-Coachella Cleopatra Instagram post.


PeterNippelstein

"I'm like literally an Egyptian"


Rocket0o8

Sips on Starbucks


i_have_a_nose

_Giza lemon drop matcha Nile water tea_


Sad-Initial-4064

Cleopatra wasn't. She was born there,but she was actually Macedonian.


Tielessin

Makes the line even better


badfaced

Extremely fascinating reign, her charm & influence. Her relationship with such great leaders (Ceasar & Mark) loved her high fashion influence to Rome at the time. Truly one of a kind


Relevant_Slide_7234

But do you walk like one?


sudolinguist

Did you see she had a lip filling just for the festival?


UXyes

Cleopatra was the product of many generations of incestuous royal breeding. She was wicked smart and charming, but had manly features and a large hooked nose. She was not a Midjourney thot. It’s a fun fantasy though :) Source: https://www.history.com/news/10-little-known-facts-about-cleopatra


YevgenyPissoff

>She was wicked smart Wicked smaht


Sophia4096

Exactly, she was of Ptolomean origin. Not as nearly exotic looking as mainstream media portraits her to be.


EncabulatorTurbo

I liked HBO's Rome's Cleopatra, not accurate exactly to her appearance, but she's so *ordinary* looking and carries it entirely with presence the way she is unrolled in front of Caesar looking disheveled, dusts herself off, then walks over to him and holds out her hand and demands it be kissed was an amazing portrayal


preaching-to-pervert

I ageee. It's all in the way she carries herself, her attitude, her intelligence and bravery. She's captivating without being beautiful.


EncabulatorTurbo

which is how it should be, now Cleopatra's less flattering features were probably exaggerated by a lot of Romans, since she was foreign, but a lot of depictions of her show her as pretty, average even, if having a large nose, but regardless, nearly every source said that if she was in a room, she was who everyone was paying attention to. I think of Freddie Mercury, who is even less conventionally attractive than even the unfair depictions of Cleopatra were, but the man could command hundreds of thousands of people's attention with ease - a clear demonstration of why Charisma in RPGs is NOT "hotness"


Old__Raven

Nothing about that show was short of amazing.


heimeyer72

What about the make-up? The Egyptians had makeup, but such glittering ones?


IAMATruckerAMA

> thot When you want to say slut but you're just too scared


om11011shanti11011om

The face tattoo was a nice touch.


Responsible_Jury_415

Cleo wasn’t a conventionally attractive woman


BobTheInept

Genghis O’Clahlan? Genghirr Kansson?


Kiffe_Y

Genghy McKhan


MainSteamStopValve

Geangus O'Kahnell


Relevant_Slide_7234

Genghis Connolly


L___E___T

Wee Genghy’s Weans also


EnIdiot

McKhaaaaaaaaan!


smolperson

[Me](https://media4.giphy.com/media/Z5Jkv6o5Ni5t6/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952uira4xhx8k0l12l4et1kzv782re07ozjiwqeoxst&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g) the second I saw Genghis Khan


Sage_Smitty42

When an Irish person goes to P.F. Chang’s once


SerialH0bbyist

Don’t call me by my slave name


EnIdiot

Ginger Khan


Acceptable-Trainer15

Théoden Khan


BillohRly

Geoughall O'Slaughterhoulihan


heimeyer72

My thought exactly. Wasn't he, like, a bit of a Mongolean? XD


Matteus11

There are some historic documents saying Genghis Khan and other Mongols had red hair.


Kuaizi_not_chop

That's great an all but he'd still look Mongol at least.


refused26

Exactly. Like, how is he full blown Viking here


cos1ne

The Tarim mummies come from 2000BC and are phenotypically just as white as any Viking would look, these people were ancestors of the Tocharians and related peoples who lived in Tarim basin until the 800s, with Tocharian as a language being spoken until the 1200's, which is contemporary to Genghis Khan. The Mongols themselves were a union of the various Steppe peoples, and while the study of this period is rife with political agendas and nationalistic views on ethnicity, it appears as if the Xiongnu people had a significant amount of Iranic steppe peoples within their confederations. These people would largely look like the [Kalash](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash_people#/media/File:Kalasha_man.jpg) of Afghanistan, which if Genghis were descended from would allow him to have the phenotypes described while still being fully "Mongol". Just looking at Genghis' descent though he would likely have a much more Asiatic phenotype than presented here, although I wouldn't discount him having greenish or hazel eyes and a ruddy beard even with that appearance.


Kuaizi_not_chop

Ho-li-hosun created a black an white portrait of Chinggis in 1278. We can assume that Kublai Khan knew what Chinggis looked like and would have changed the portrait if it was that inacurate.


cos1ne

That portrait does have Genghis with lighter colored eyes and shows him with grayish-white hair. The portrait of Genghis' son Ogedei by the same artist also shows him with lighter eyes and with a lighter beard color. So again I'm not saying that portrait is inaccurate, I believe it is likely the most accurate depiction of Genghis available, but it doesn't mean that he couldn't have greenish/hazel eyes and a slight red in his hair that would stand out and be notable.


Kuaizi_not_chop

Once again, we're not talking about his eye color and hair color.


analoggi_d0ggi

Thats by some literally who Persian Writer. Meanwhile when Khubilai Khan became Emperor of China, as is Imperial Practice, he had a portrait made of his Grandfather, Genghiz, who was honorary first Emperor of Khubilai's Yuan Dynasty. He asked around his gramps' surviving buddies and generals about what he looked like [this is what they came up with](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#/media/File%3AYuanEmperorAlbumGenghisPortrait.jpg) Doesnt look like a plastic paddy to me, chief.


CitizenPremier

Eh, apparently one guy who never met him said that--how could that be true and none of the other people who met him mentioned anything about it?


EnkiduOdinson

Did they mention a different hair color? No? Then maybe hair color just didn't matter to them. It's not like red hair was completely unheard of among Mongols.


CitizenPremier

But it's the rarest hair color in the world, and people would get names like "the Red" or "Rufus" for having red hair.


Yelesa

Could have also meant brown hair and hazel eyes, some shades do look red and green. Especially to a Persian. You notice this with South Europeans too, they consider blond and res a lot of shades Northern Europeans consider brown. It’s relative.


EnkiduOdinson

Globally speaking it’s rare. In some populations it’s not that rare. And not every red haired person that achieved greatness must have had a nickname like that. It’s not a rule. Maybe the mongols thought that’s a stupid nickname to give to their Khan


FunkySausage69

I find that hard to believe to be honest.


Yelesa

Eurasian people in Siberia and Central Asia [can have light eyes](https://images.app.goo.gl/yLoMmA8TciUefWeV9) or [fair hair](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghur-redhead.jpg) or [both](https://listverse.com/2012/11/01/the-sleeping-beauty-of-loulan/) just go to the last link with more Uyghur examples. They are at the crossroad of Europe and Asia, makes sense to have in-between looks.


Hot-Rise9795

Leonardo de Kahnprio


Luxating-Patella

Blimey, Julius Caesar's been through the Obama / Tony Blair effect and then gone round for seconds. He was only 55 when he died (after an active life on a Mediterranean diet).


firemanwham

Caesar does look a little dry, should probably add more dressing


veglad

Yeah after standing in the sun all day every day with no modern sunscreen


anananananana

Also no modern sun


specto24

The sun isn't any stronger and the ozone layer damage is predominantly a polar issue.


anananananana

> Midlatitude regions. Ozone depletion is also observed at the midlatitudes spanning the region between equatorial and polar latitudes. In comparison with the 1964–1980 averages, total ozone averaged for 2005–2009 is about 3.5% lower in northern midlatitudes (35°N–60°N) and about 6% lower at southern midlatitudes (35°S–60°S) Source: csl.nooa.gov LE: Moreover, some estimated UV changes, values for Central Europe (Germany): > The UV increase beginning at the end of the 1970s seems to be mainly the result of decreasing cloudiness that affected all three components. The additional effect of low ozone values in the 1990s led to an additional enhancement of UV-B and erythemal radiation by about 5 to 10% in the 1990s in correspondence to earlier estimates (Feister and Grewe, 1995). Source: https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/8/3107/2008/


ale_93113

His diet was very bad compared to modern standards, he drank lead poisoned wine, as did every Roman ever, etc etc Look at the pictures we have of wealthy 55 year olds in the 19th century, they do look like that


lordnacho666

The Romans made a big deal out of being old though, because it meant you could hold certain offices and I suppose they thought experience was valuable. Perhaps descriptions of him reflected this.


takemebacktothemenu

And yet on the flip side, he's got way too much hair left.


om11011shanti11011om

Wow! Everyone was so devastatingly good looking!


fibonacciii

Hahaha that's what I thought too.


notjasonlee

yep, and these are completely historically accurate. lip filler had just hit the scene!


Limeila

It's crazy how you can see how much plastic surgery, filters and make up screwed up AI's vision of women. It's so much easier to get realistic men!


Xelartwork

Except fuck that Martin Luther guy


Holly_Caulfield

I don’t think Cleopatra was overlining her lips like this…


anislandinmyheart

She's doing stealth duckface too


Appropriate-Row4804

Stealth duckface is a thing?!


anislandinmyheart

Not officially, whatever that would mean. Duckface kinda went out of style, but lots of people just got better at pouting subtly


[deleted]

Wow, with the power of AI, now we can see the equivalent of random people cosplaying as historical figures 🤯


wintherbottom

Timothy Chalapoleon


hconfiance

Napoleon is weird, we have tons of portraits of what he looked like and we even have a death mask. We have interviews of people who met him in real life.


ProgrammerKidCool

As in paper written right? My dumbass thought you said video interviews 😭


hconfiance

That would be neat if it were true ( video interviews)


Icelandia2112

Khan as a ginger? LOL


Purple_Bowman

Not much is known about Genghis Khan's appearance (except that he was quite tall and had a long beard), but according to some chroniclers, he had red hair and light eyes. The credibility of this is, understandably, questionable, but such a notion has indeed been around for a long time.


ddosn

Ehh, not that far out when you look at certain central asian populations (like Kazakhs). Many of them do have light coloured hair (red, blonde) and light coloured eyes (green, hazel and blue).


Purple_Bowman

I know, and it doesn't really surprise me, some of the Central and East/North Asian populations can indeed have blond/red hair and light eyes. It's rare, but it's a fact, there are some.


TheCryptocrat

My understanding is that the original translation was misrepresented, and more modern translations suggest that the red color refers to his complexion, not hair color. Apparently, his hair color only gets mentioned when it turns white.


Purple_Bowman

Most likely, yes. As far as I know, Persian sources were among the first to mention and emphasise this. For Persians and Iranian peoples, obviously, to see a person with light facial features was not something very surprising, although in the case of Mongols it would be unusual (although there are always exceptions). Among some tribesmen and relatives of Temujin (and Genghisids in general) the fact of having grey eyes was sometimes highlighted.


Hot-Rise9795

“he was also a direct male-line descendant of Genghis Khan, though intervening generations and racial mixing had so juggled his genes that he had no discernible Mongoloid characteristics, and the only vestiges left in Mr. L. Prosser of his mighty ancestry were a pronounced stoutness about the tum and a predilection for little fur hats.”


Suitable_Theme_1200

No he wasnt


Mysterions

No, this is an internet rumor. https://www.medievalists.net/2023/01/did-chinggis-khan-have-red-hair-and-green-eyes/


cvbeiro

According to some he was. And Alexander was blonde apparently.


ZoNeS_v2

Lol, these are all so off it hurts 😂


sil3ntsir3n

Actually, I was surprised to see that the AI got Alexander's heterochromia which is a well-known condition he had, and generally he looks pretty good


specto24

Too bad it gave him dark hair...


Sonsofsanguinius

Maybe the descriptions are accurate, but the bot is obviously still pulling from content now, that's why they all come across as if they're actors on a movie.


hjak3876

that cleopatra image is such garbage i barely even know where to start.


TheFaustianMan

The nose, she looks like a shitty influencer with “Egyptian roots”


SalamanderJohnson

Yes, start with the nose. XD


PetyrDayne

I want Boudica to take me in the Amazon position.


shazspaz

Amazon position?


Luxating-Patella

Bent over a conveyor belt for 12 hours without a pee break.


shazspaz

Oh!


The_Reluctant_Hero

Fuck, this is hilarious lol.


SoExtra

Oh you're in for a treat.


Tall_Associate_7381

A sex position, pretty similar to cowgirl, involving penile penetration of the vulva, where the enveloping participant is the active part, and where the legs of the penetrating participant are held up.


shazspaz

Thanks C3P0


gabrielleraul

Aka the hottest position in porn


AngryYowie

I prefer the masonry position. That's where she lays there like a fucking brick.


snax087

Julius looks like Anthony Bourdain


Skippy_Caboodle

When I saw Martin Luther, for a second my brain went to Martin Luther King instead and I was thoroughly confused 😄


LilPoutinePat

SAME


AstrumReincarnated

Did the artist not realize that many of these people have multiple lifelike paintings and busts made of them that show what they looked like?


SpxUmadBroYolo

Yea cleo had lip fillers and fake freckles that checks out lol


Repulsive_Juice7777

This is triggering, can you do historically accurate netflix version?


ProgrammerKidCool

I just know someone is gonna hate on this for having Jesus Christ 😭


pikeymikey22

And netflix will be after them for daring to say cleopatra wasn't sub-sahara african.


DanGleeballs

Jesus having brown eyes might the biggest issue. Ohmergaawd Jesus was a blond haired blue eyed Scandinavian looking man.


ProgrammerKidCool

Some people didn’t like this comment lol


heimeyer72

LOL


20cmdepersonalidade

I mean, he also didn't look Ethiopian like op. People for some reason can't ever portray Jesus simply looking like the tanned semitic dude he was


Nosbunatu

Cleo and Khan are wildly off.


Tramagust

Yeah Cleo had an even bigger nose [https://greekreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Cleopatra-appearance-credit-Louis-le-Grand-Public-domain-wikimedia-Angel-M-public-domain-wikimedia.jpg](https://greekreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Cleopatra-appearance-credit-Louis-le-Grand-Public-domain-wikimedia-Angel-M-public-domain-wikimedia.jpg) not some instagram LA plastic surgery nonsense. There is a description of Khan having red hair though: *Perhaps the most surprising description comes courtesy of the 14th-century Persian chronicler Rashid al-Din, who claimed Genghis had red hair and green eyes. Al-Din’s account is questionable—he never met the Khan in person—but these striking features were not unheard of among the ethnically diverse Mongols.* [https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-genghis-khan](https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-genghis-khan)


Hot-Rise9795

Genghis Khan played by Leonardo di Caprio.


livingthedream9x

L


dinin70

What’s up with those freckles? And damnit. We have fairly accurate representations (paintings, statues) of most of these historical figures, why haven’t they been taken into account?


Homodebilus

All looks pretty shitty and unrealistic let's be real


RyoxAkira

Damn Alexander is hot


ale_93113

He was blonde and "eyed like the sky" tho Yes, it was extremely uncommon for a Macedonian to be blonde, the scripts we have of that time confirm that aswell, but Attaturk was also blond and green eyed, while uncommon, there are blond greeks and Turks


Gothcomichorror

He looks a little like Peter Steele


corncaked

Everyone is wondering why I laughed loud and said what the fuck. Exhibit A - ginger genghis khan


Stellanboll

Well Persian historian Rashid-al-Din recorded in his "Chronicles" that the legendary "glittering" ancestor of Genghis was tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and green-eyed. Rashid al-Din also described the first meeting of Genghis and Kublai Khan, when Genghis was shocked to find that Kublai had not inherited his red hair.


biggiefryie

> Perhaps the most surprising description comes courtesy of the 14th-century Persian chronicler Rashid al-Din, who claimed Genghis had red hair and green eyes. **Al-Din’s account is questionable—he never met the Khan in person**—but these striking features were not unheard of among the ethnically diverse Mongols. From u/Tramagust


Macarena-48

He was described IRL as being red-haired


JessicaGriffin

I wish Shakespeare had his earring in this pic. I think it makes him look hotter but ymmv.


vanillasub

That Livia Drusilla got me.


specto24

Yes, but clearly in any photo she'd have a poison bottle in her hand!


MothParasiteIV

AI loves to Instagram everything


gillmanblacklagooner

Ginger Khan?


Fancybear1993

Do the prophet Mohammed


catetheway

🏅


bananenjoe69420

Cleo s a baddie


ImNotARobotFOSHO

Irish Genghis Khan


Usefulsponge

The Netflix version of Genghis Kahn


Used-Cup-6055

TIL Genghis Khan was Irish


Caius_Iulius_August

These always frustrate me as a historian because they're never accurate, but I know that no one cares


skuidENK

Must have taught the AI Genghis Khan with John Wayne references.


Capitaclism

Genghis Khan was a half Caucasian ginger?


Seeker599

1. How did cleopatra get access to filler and lip injections 2. Did gengis khan immigrate from ye Olde ireland to mongolia? 3. All of them are SO intense looking 4. Try to get closer to their faces


Outside_Tip_8498

Ahhhh honky genghis khan warrior of the steppe and plastic surgery


SokkaHaikuBot

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[deleted]

Jezus was more like bob marley


vanslayder

Julius Ceaser face was very different. We have his face mask. He looked completely different. Also I don’t understand what imaginary friend Jesus is doing in the list of real historical figures


needs2shave

Jesus was a real figure in history ya plank. Plenty of independent sources recorded his death, in fact, many more than there are for a lot of these other figures and you don't see many people calling them imaginary.


GoldFreezer

"many more" sources than for these incredibly famous and well documented people really undermines your point.


needs2shave

Hyperbole on my part really, but no serious historian denies that Jesus the Nazarene existed and was crucified about 2k years ago. He has just as much right to be in this post than any of the others.


dano1066

What! You are telling me Jesus wasn't a white man with blonde hair???


Monsieur_Brochant

All of em hot af


SecretLavishness1685

Ceaser looks like Antonio Banderas.


Mowgli_78

Shakespeare is really hot


thatguybighungry

George Washington is played by Ben Mendelsohn.


Stoic_Honest_Truth

That is TOO CLOSE of a "shot", haha I had to move away from my screen :D


WonderfulUpstairs966

Alexander the Great looks fantastic in this picture along with Boudicca .


Yolsy01

Shakespeare is tom hiddleston ....checks out.


prema108

Can someone ELI5 why it would work on photorealism but ignore the actual facial feature in some cases largely recorded ?


just-me1995

Alexander the Great kinda lookin like Hayden Christenson..


Emperor-Lasagna

Caesar looks a bit like Ciaran Hinds, who played him in HBO’s *Rome*. Wonder if that is a coincidence?


Fuzakenaideyo

Genghis McCloud over here


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Taptrick

They all look way to good. Like, people back then couldn’t have been ugly just like people today right.


me_da_Supreme1

Damn why are all of them 10/10s omg


UnoriginalPenName

Checkmate, atheists


infinite-plane79

I get a little bit Genghis Khan…


The_G0vernator

The only one I really feel could be real is Martin Luther. The rest are off or too sexy


Tall_Associate_7381

Did they have eye shadow, eyeliner, mascara and lipstick in ancient Egypt? And would they have such a modern and western makeup style?


chumbucket420babi

i’m a female and want to fuck cleopatra holy shit


Tall_Associate_7381

The AI sure has a thing for blackheads God damn


BubbaSquirrel

OP, I have a question.


mimix0

AI seems to love freckles lol


locob

Can you do it like, if they don't know that they are photographed? like from a sneak camera? like doing something casual from their time era?


Correct-Blood9382

There are a billion one dollar bills out there and Washington still don't look right to me.


Tachyonzero

Alexander looks Persian, Ghengis Khan looks old Irish, Napoleon looks British, Martin Luther looks Italian


ButkusBreath

Wasn’t expecting Boudica.


frockinbrock

Assume Shakespeare and Alexander are heavily pulling from past film & tv portrayals of them. They seem close or similar to paintings/deacriptions but more so modernized


Cryptodude2000

So the statues of most of them are misleading?


StatisticianFew6064

I'm pretty sure Jesus used to be my dealer when I lived in Hollywood . Great guy, always had snacks when I went to visit.


iamcleek

is that simply a photo of Annie Clark ?


Sinavestia

Napoleon is literally Todd Howard


boomgoesthevegemite

Cleopatra would’ve been fairly ugly by today’s standards.