Both are correct but fried chicken is about as far away from a burger as it gets. Chicken “burgers” are usually shaped like a traditional hamburger and flat on the top and bottom
I learnt this while trying to post to burgers last night so I gave it a google and wiki said America has the rule of it needing to be ground while UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would call this a burger for it to be a sandwich there it needs to be in between slices of bread
Part of the issue is that Americans have long used "hamburger" buns for things other than burgers. Traditional US staples like barbecue sandwiches, sloppy joes, etc., are all served on similar buns, and have been for at least as long as such buns have been used for "hamburgers". So even though we do call them "hamburger buns" in the US, they've never been exclusive to "burgers" for us.
>would call this a burger for it to be a sandwich there it needs to be in between slices of bread
I will say something controversial. yes this is a chicken sandwich in your post BUT it doesn't really align with the idea of what a sandwich is to most americans. i think this confuses some people. while we do use this term and fight people when they call it something else\* it's kind of weird to me to call them chicken sandwiches. They're not chicken burgers but it's strange to call them a sandwich because of the bread exactly.
Our typical sandwiches are between 2 fairy bread-style pieces of bread as well. You know what I mean right? we all know those sandwiches. americans too. but we also call this contraption a chicken sandwich because it isn't a burger\* (again, see below)
\*i went into the reasons why it can't be a burger in other posts on here, has to do with the ingredients and how they taste together that elicit a "burger" to americans
>Chicken “burgers” are usually shaped like a traditional hamburger and flat on the top and bottom
At fast food places maybe but at a proper restaurant they use proper chicken so it's not all pre-shaped disks.
I think you're gatekeeping the terms a bit much, mate. Google chicken burger and 80% of what you see are what you'd define as a chicken sandwich. They're obviously pretty interchangeable.
We just treat it as the veggie patty being the meat. I guess it's almost more accurate to say a burger has to have something ground up and shaped into a patty rather than it needing to be meat
Yeah I can't think of an example where we switch it up. If it's not ground beef it's whatever the meat is followed by sandwich lol. Unless it's a region specific thing like a "Philly cheese steak"
People just said that if you put chicken there, its not a chicken burger but a chicken sandwich and that ground beef is required to call something burger in murika. Was that not true? Im confused
There’s not exactly hard rules about it, but yeah most people wouldn’t call chicken on a bun a burger, unless the chicken was ground, then I guess you’d call it a chicken burger. I don’t think that’s really a thing, but turkey burgers and veggie burgers are.
I think it’s about mimicking the form and texture of a traditional beef patty. If you just threw some loose veggies on a bun, we wouldn’t call that a veggie burger, but if you form the vegetables into a patty, we would.
Yes it is true, most nobody uses the term chicken burger really. Chicken sandwiches are varied from your typical american burgers by what goes on them usually. it's not a burger, you can tell when you hold it in front of you. it's something burger-like but it's a chicken sandwich
i am american and i adhere to the burger/sandwich definitions we use but i will say that generally a sandwich is 2 pieces of flat white bread with something in it. that is universal all over the world almost i believe. we are not an exception to this. the american 'chicken sandwich' is. we just accept it, but it's not a typical sandwich.
no a veggie burger is still a burger, you have to understand a burger is more than just the meat in it or the buns it has. it's a subtle configuration of ingredients that society understands as such.
things like onions and mustard and ketchup and pickles heavily imply something is a 'burger'
this is just my observations on the whole thing, you can expand on it in your own studies i guess
a veggie burger because the ingredients line up with a burger here which is probably more defined/less varied than elsewhere.
i imagine there is a miscommunication in WHAT is a burger and it's unspoken understanding amongst americans about what ingredients go on one. i know there are many diff burgers out there that explore the realm of what can be done on a burger, those are burgers. i'm not saying they're not. im just saying the average american knows what a burger is and it's not just based on the buns and what's in the middle
outsiders don't understand this because they don't live here and aren't imbued with those repeated experiences/observations. and 90% of them are unaware that they are unaware so they act like cocks when they talk to americans about it. so annoying. it's ironically very stereotypically 'american' to behave this way towards other people lol.
there are also subtle ingredients/configurations that distinctly separate a burger from a chicken sandwich
you'll never (i know some people will try to prove me wrong and that's fine, i don't disagree that it exists but the point of my message remains) find mustard on a chicken sandwich, that's why it's not a burger. nor onions usually
people don't understand and then claim we're dumb, as usual.
Are you dumb?? The only thing required for a chicken sandwich is chicken and a bun. Everything else is optional. Just because I add mustard doesn't magically change it from a chicken sandwich to a burger.
I wrote ALSO, did you forget what that word implies in the current context? Did you miss the entire part in parenthesis where I said I know that it's not all about fucking mustard or are you intentionally being an insuffereable incel with 666 in their name who just ruined my morning and doesn't give a fuck in the slightest in an attempt to get me to respond in a negative manner because you have no life?
If you're not from North America you have no idea what I'm talking about. Burgers are more narrowly defined and the distinctions between them and a chicken sandwich are subtle but it's not just a meat swap and lack of ground meat patty.
Don't reply I promise you I'm done engaging with you.
This applies to just about any protein as well. [A veggie burger](https://www.dailyharvestexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/veggie-burger-patties.png) is usually veggies like beans mixed into the shape of a hamburg steak. Same with [ground turkey](https://rachaelsgoodeats.com/healthy-lean-turkey-burgers/), [ground chicken](https://food.fnr.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2013/3/29/1/CN1C06_Chicken-Burgers_s4x3.jpg.rend.hgtvcom.616.462.suffix/1371616126822.jpeg), [ground lamb](https://d2mkh7ukbp9xav.cloudfront.net/recipeimage/zbf8igpz-885c8-764132-cfcd2-0li3844s/37009967-0434-47ce-976d-7d47a880ce49/main/minted-lamb-burgers-patties.jpg), and others. I'm not sure why people are struggling to understand this in this thread.
The assumption is also usually that you're trying to mimic a beef burger with something that's leaner or meets your dietary restrictions or whatever.
They're burgers like turkey bacon is bacon. Right shape, wrong stuff but close enough for those eating it.
Pretty much.
Chicken sandwich - fried or grilled chicken between two buns
Chicken burger - ground chicken shaped into a patty, grilled and placed between two buns
we keep leaving out the subtle understanding of what condiments go on a hamburger that make it a burger vs what condiments and ingredients go on a chicken sandwich that make them a chicken sandwich and NOT a burger.
the trifect of hamburger flavor has nothing to do wiht the meat inside but rather the ketchup/mustard/onions/pickles. you put that on anything and it's gonna give the consumer hamburger vibes. along those lines, i don't really think you would put mustard on a chicken sandwich because it's not a burger. they have different stuff on them and omit other things like maybe tomatoes etc and it would taste strange to make a chicken sandwich burger-like
Condiment preference is so broad, its kinda useless to categorize food based on it. A burger is a ground protein patty on buns. A sandwhich is anything else on 2 slices of bread.
Who cares, the fact remains you can buy hamburger flavored pringles and i promise you the flavor profile does not include the taste of an isolated hamburger patty.
The issue here is that what we normally think of as a sandwich is also more defined than this chicken sandwich above. Usually we refer to sandwiches as those items you make with 2 square pieces of white bread and this naming convention (done by the industry most likely, not the people) is awkward. I believe the name chicken sandwich is just some marketing shit because they found chicken burger doesn't sound the same and confuses people when they did their focus group testing. Unfortunately now, it confuses other people who aren't from North America and we have these kinds of arguments on the internet because of it.
I am american and i honestly find that calling this a chicken sandwich, while correct, is a bit strange when i think about all the other sandwiches i have come across.
I feel like “ burger “ implies that it’s a ground meat patty.
A hamburger, while deceiving in protein name, is ground beef shaped into a circular patty in a bun. If i see a chicken burger on a menu, it’s going to be ground chicken shaped into a circular patty on a bun. A veggie burger is ground up veg and shaped into, you guessed it, a circular patty, and served on a bun.
A grilled chicken breast is either ground up, nor shaped. Therefore, not a burger
In America 'burger' generally means it has beef in it. So we have burgers (which have no ham..), chicken sandwiches, and ham sandwiches. If it's not a true burger then it needs a prefix like impossible or turkey.
So we have 'chicken sandwiches' but not 'chicken burgers' but do have both 'turkey sandwiches' and 'turkey burgers'. A turkey sandwich is on sandwich bread and cold, a turkey burger is on a bun and hot.
Also nobody in America wears trousers.. and it is impossible for Caribou to live in the US. Only Elk can.
it doesn't though, to americans it refers to a very specific flavor profile/ingredients list that the rest of the world doesn't likely doesn't adhere to. (pickles/mustard/onions/ketchup)
american hamburgers have a certain understood vibe. you can tell the difference quickly if you're from here because we were shown them/experienced it all since you we were young. it is quite confusing to outsiders but where it gets annoying is when outsiders who are ignorantly yelling at americans that we are wrong.
how can be wrong about something we invented? i don't mean we invented the concept of a hamburger as the general term covers it but we invented american hamburgers and they are ours and thats what we know and consume. we don't consume german style or wherever style hamburgers. it doesn't make sense to treat us like shit for something like this. the Japanese appropriated curry and it's nothing like real curry from India so why the fuck can't we have our fucking burgers you know? and why can't we just have them and not have ignorant people say they're wrong. imagine telling a japanese person their curry isn't curry. or whatever else country has shared foods from a different country. it's ludicrous and childish to care about such things. not saying you do but... yeah
fucking stupid world
My problem with this is that that it's one of those "how the fuck am I meant to put it in my mouth" skyscraper things.
The whole point of putting shit in between two pieces of bread is that you eat it directly by holding it in your hands. Not with a fucking knife and fork, the presence of bread actually makes that only more awkward.
Someone had to spend time assembling it just so I then spend time and get frustrated disassembling it to actually eat it. It's literally counterproductive.
Wider, not taller, people.
Both are correct but fried chicken is about as far away from a burger as it gets. Chicken “burgers” are usually shaped like a traditional hamburger and flat on the top and bottom
I learnt this while trying to post to burgers last night so I gave it a google and wiki said America has the rule of it needing to be ground while UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would call this a burger for it to be a sandwich there it needs to be in between slices of bread
Checks out! I’m in Canada and I’ve seen it used interchangeably but the States I’ve only seen it as the traditional patty style
Part of the issue is that Americans have long used "hamburger" buns for things other than burgers. Traditional US staples like barbecue sandwiches, sloppy joes, etc., are all served on similar buns, and have been for at least as long as such buns have been used for "hamburgers". So even though we do call them "hamburger buns" in the US, they've never been exclusive to "burgers" for us.
>would call this a burger for it to be a sandwich there it needs to be in between slices of bread I will say something controversial. yes this is a chicken sandwich in your post BUT it doesn't really align with the idea of what a sandwich is to most americans. i think this confuses some people. while we do use this term and fight people when they call it something else\* it's kind of weird to me to call them chicken sandwiches. They're not chicken burgers but it's strange to call them a sandwich because of the bread exactly. Our typical sandwiches are between 2 fairy bread-style pieces of bread as well. You know what I mean right? we all know those sandwiches. americans too. but we also call this contraption a chicken sandwich because it isn't a burger\* (again, see below) \*i went into the reasons why it can't be a burger in other posts on here, has to do with the ingredients and how they taste together that elicit a "burger" to americans
>Chicken “burgers” are usually shaped like a traditional hamburger and flat on the top and bottom At fast food places maybe but at a proper restaurant they use proper chicken so it's not all pre-shaped disks.
Yeah, those are more chicken sandwiches
I think you're gatekeeping the terms a bit much, mate. Google chicken burger and 80% of what you see are what you'd define as a chicken sandwich. They're obviously pretty interchangeable.
That’s what I said in my original comment…
Burgers have to have ground (minced) meat in America.
Cohesive meat that keeps its shape. If it is loose ground meat it's a Sloppy Joe.
Whats veggie burger called in USA? A regular sandwich?
A veggie burger lol.
But no minched meat = not a burger?
We just treat it as the veggie patty being the meat. I guess it's almost more accurate to say a burger has to have something ground up and shaped into a patty rather than it needing to be meat
Yeah I can't think of an example where we switch it up. If it's not ground beef it's whatever the meat is followed by sandwich lol. Unless it's a region specific thing like a "Philly cheese steak"
People just said that if you put chicken there, its not a chicken burger but a chicken sandwich and that ground beef is required to call something burger in murika. Was that not true? Im confused
There’s not exactly hard rules about it, but yeah most people wouldn’t call chicken on a bun a burger, unless the chicken was ground, then I guess you’d call it a chicken burger. I don’t think that’s really a thing, but turkey burgers and veggie burgers are. I think it’s about mimicking the form and texture of a traditional beef patty. If you just threw some loose veggies on a bun, we wouldn’t call that a veggie burger, but if you form the vegetables into a patty, we would.
Keep in mind the presence of mustard/onions/ketchup these ingredients usually imply a hamburger regardless of whats inside it
Yes it is true, most nobody uses the term chicken burger really. Chicken sandwiches are varied from your typical american burgers by what goes on them usually. it's not a burger, you can tell when you hold it in front of you. it's something burger-like but it's a chicken sandwich i am american and i adhere to the burger/sandwich definitions we use but i will say that generally a sandwich is 2 pieces of flat white bread with something in it. that is universal all over the world almost i believe. we are not an exception to this. the american 'chicken sandwich' is. we just accept it, but it's not a typical sandwich.
s/meat/protein/g
no a veggie burger is still a burger, you have to understand a burger is more than just the meat in it or the buns it has. it's a subtle configuration of ingredients that society understands as such. things like onions and mustard and ketchup and pickles heavily imply something is a 'burger' this is just my observations on the whole thing, you can expand on it in your own studies i guess
a veggie burger because the ingredients line up with a burger here which is probably more defined/less varied than elsewhere. i imagine there is a miscommunication in WHAT is a burger and it's unspoken understanding amongst americans about what ingredients go on one. i know there are many diff burgers out there that explore the realm of what can be done on a burger, those are burgers. i'm not saying they're not. im just saying the average american knows what a burger is and it's not just based on the buns and what's in the middle outsiders don't understand this because they don't live here and aren't imbued with those repeated experiences/observations. and 90% of them are unaware that they are unaware so they act like cocks when they talk to americans about it. so annoying. it's ironically very stereotypically 'american' to behave this way towards other people lol.
there are also subtle ingredients/configurations that distinctly separate a burger from a chicken sandwich you'll never (i know some people will try to prove me wrong and that's fine, i don't disagree that it exists but the point of my message remains) find mustard on a chicken sandwich, that's why it's not a burger. nor onions usually people don't understand and then claim we're dumb, as usual.
Are you dumb?? The only thing required for a chicken sandwich is chicken and a bun. Everything else is optional. Just because I add mustard doesn't magically change it from a chicken sandwich to a burger.
I wrote ALSO, did you forget what that word implies in the current context? Did you miss the entire part in parenthesis where I said I know that it's not all about fucking mustard or are you intentionally being an insuffereable incel with 666 in their name who just ruined my morning and doesn't give a fuck in the slightest in an attempt to get me to respond in a negative manner because you have no life? If you're not from North America you have no idea what I'm talking about. Burgers are more narrowly defined and the distinctions between them and a chicken sandwich are subtle but it's not just a meat swap and lack of ground meat patty. Don't reply I promise you I'm done engaging with you.
So you are dumb, cool. Maybe if a response to something you post can "ruin your morning" you shouldn't be posting online...
A burger is a sandwich with a hamburg steak on it. Hamburg steaks are a patty made of ground beef. If it's not a ground patty, it's not a burger.
This applies to just about any protein as well. [A veggie burger](https://www.dailyharvestexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/veggie-burger-patties.png) is usually veggies like beans mixed into the shape of a hamburg steak. Same with [ground turkey](https://rachaelsgoodeats.com/healthy-lean-turkey-burgers/), [ground chicken](https://food.fnr.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2013/3/29/1/CN1C06_Chicken-Burgers_s4x3.jpg.rend.hgtvcom.616.462.suffix/1371616126822.jpeg), [ground lamb](https://d2mkh7ukbp9xav.cloudfront.net/recipeimage/zbf8igpz-885c8-764132-cfcd2-0li3844s/37009967-0434-47ce-976d-7d47a880ce49/main/minted-lamb-burgers-patties.jpg), and others. I'm not sure why people are struggling to understand this in this thread.
The assumption is also usually that you're trying to mimic a beef burger with something that's leaner or meets your dietary restrictions or whatever. They're burgers like turkey bacon is bacon. Right shape, wrong stuff but close enough for those eating it.
Pretty much. Chicken sandwich - fried or grilled chicken between two buns Chicken burger - ground chicken shaped into a patty, grilled and placed between two buns
we keep leaving out the subtle understanding of what condiments go on a hamburger that make it a burger vs what condiments and ingredients go on a chicken sandwich that make them a chicken sandwich and NOT a burger. the trifect of hamburger flavor has nothing to do wiht the meat inside but rather the ketchup/mustard/onions/pickles. you put that on anything and it's gonna give the consumer hamburger vibes. along those lines, i don't really think you would put mustard on a chicken sandwich because it's not a burger. they have different stuff on them and omit other things like maybe tomatoes etc and it would taste strange to make a chicken sandwich burger-like
Condiment preference is so broad, its kinda useless to categorize food based on it. A burger is a ground protein patty on buns. A sandwhich is anything else on 2 slices of bread.
Who cares, the fact remains you can buy hamburger flavored pringles and i promise you the flavor profile does not include the taste of an isolated hamburger patty. The issue here is that what we normally think of as a sandwich is also more defined than this chicken sandwich above. Usually we refer to sandwiches as those items you make with 2 square pieces of white bread and this naming convention (done by the industry most likely, not the people) is awkward. I believe the name chicken sandwich is just some marketing shit because they found chicken burger doesn't sound the same and confuses people when they did their focus group testing. Unfortunately now, it confuses other people who aren't from North America and we have these kinds of arguments on the internet because of it. I am american and i honestly find that calling this a chicken sandwich, while correct, is a bit strange when i think about all the other sandwiches i have come across.
keep in mind veggie burgers are very much burgers in constitution ofc but yea
Sometimes in older movies you'll hear people order a "Hamburger sandwich".
So if that was thin sliced deli meat, you’d still call it a burger? Where do you draw the line between a burger and a sandwich? This is so confusing.
A hamburger is made with a ground beef patty. There are burgers made with elk or bison. Everything else is a sandwich.
I feel like “ burger “ implies that it’s a ground meat patty. A hamburger, while deceiving in protein name, is ground beef shaped into a circular patty in a bun. If i see a chicken burger on a menu, it’s going to be ground chicken shaped into a circular patty on a bun. A veggie burger is ground up veg and shaped into, you guessed it, a circular patty, and served on a bun. A grilled chicken breast is either ground up, nor shaped. Therefore, not a burger
Like tacos.
Put it in a bun and it becomes a taco sandwich.
That's a Sloppy Joe
In America 'burger' generally means it has beef in it. So we have burgers (which have no ham..), chicken sandwiches, and ham sandwiches. If it's not a true burger then it needs a prefix like impossible or turkey. So we have 'chicken sandwiches' but not 'chicken burgers' but do have both 'turkey sandwiches' and 'turkey burgers'. A turkey sandwich is on sandwich bread and cold, a turkey burger is on a bun and hot. Also nobody in America wears trousers.. and it is impossible for Caribou to live in the US. Only Elk can.
So you don't have vegetarian burgers?
That's what the 'impossible' prefix is.
Funny how Ham burger refers to beef :D
The other guy is actually crazy. The condiment shit he keeps spouting is only in his own head
it doesn't though, to americans it refers to a very specific flavor profile/ingredients list that the rest of the world doesn't likely doesn't adhere to. (pickles/mustard/onions/ketchup) american hamburgers have a certain understood vibe. you can tell the difference quickly if you're from here because we were shown them/experienced it all since you we were young. it is quite confusing to outsiders but where it gets annoying is when outsiders who are ignorantly yelling at americans that we are wrong. how can be wrong about something we invented? i don't mean we invented the concept of a hamburger as the general term covers it but we invented american hamburgers and they are ours and thats what we know and consume. we don't consume german style or wherever style hamburgers. it doesn't make sense to treat us like shit for something like this. the Japanese appropriated curry and it's nothing like real curry from India so why the fuck can't we have our fucking burgers you know? and why can't we just have them and not have ignorant people say they're wrong. imagine telling a japanese person their curry isn't curry. or whatever else country has shared foods from a different country. it's ludicrous and childish to care about such things. not saying you do but... yeah fucking stupid world
lol
My problem with this is that that it's one of those "how the fuck am I meant to put it in my mouth" skyscraper things. The whole point of putting shit in between two pieces of bread is that you eat it directly by holding it in your hands. Not with a fucking knife and fork, the presence of bread actually makes that only more awkward. Someone had to spend time assembling it just so I then spend time and get frustrated disassembling it to actually eat it. It's literally counterproductive. Wider, not taller, people.
This is not a ridiculously tall sando. Just squish the bun a little bit and it'll fit fine.
it's also not a "Sando" that's a burger
In Soviet Russia, chicken burger eat you.
Hell yeah it is.