If there's one thing I respect about the Lions and Man Campbell, it's that they have planetary sized balls to do stuff like this all the time. And hey, I don't care what analytics or the media says, I like his aggression. He's not only trying to bring a SB to Detroit, but is trying to pulverize the competition along the way. It's admirable.
You might not get a better chance to win the game by going to overtime.
You've got one play to win or lose the game, and Campbell would rather go for it and live with the outcome than play 10 more minutes.
You know you can quantify that stuff, right? Hitting the PAT from that distance is like a 98% chance, all but guaranteeing you have a shot in overtime. Then in overtime they probably had something around a 50% chance of winning. Even higher than in past years with a coin toss loss, so that's not even as much of a factor.
There's no chance going for two in that situation is close to the odds above. It was a stupid decision.
He told the boys we’re gonna score and then go for the win. And that’s what they did. I wish we had those big swinging nuts more often. Instead we have cold lake water nuts
You won’t win against teams in the playoffs doing shit like that. It might work once, but you need 4 wins. That shit always balances out and will come back to bite you in the kneecaps.
Again, my respect stems from his willingness to commit time and time again to be able to try to win rather than tie. I'm 100% NOT making a judgement on "was it the right or wrong decision," I am pretty straight up saying I respect that he has no hesitation time and time again to try to step on his opponents' throat and seal the deal by going for it. He knows what he wants his teams' identity to be. Tbh I can't hate that ever personally. Don't care if it was the *actually technically the wrong decision* it's just fun and I admire his brass
There was also a couple questionable calls/no calls throughout that game. Pretty sure campbell realized it was going to be ref ball especially against the cowboys. It definitely looks dumb as hell but I think he just realized he has a better chance of getting 7 yards in one play then have a whole quarter left at the cowboys with this ref crew.
I would have kicked the field goal, I still understand the decision though.
The last 30 Years or just the Lions existing would tell you otherwise. No other coach has been able to do it. I ain't saying another coach can't, but...
Picking and choosing what part of the previous season to include and not to fit your narrative is confirmation bias.
If you’re gonna include any of last season, include it all.
Oh wait they were 1-5 before then and that wouldn’t help your stats look good
100%. He said he told the guys they were going to score and then go for the win. I can respect that. But you *have* to stop and recalculate when you get pushed back to the 7 and Campbell just chose not to think.
Nah it’s just being stupid. He’s done aggressive shit all year that has hurt his team. This was one of them. How do you win a Super Bowl when you’re calling overly aggressive plays that’s hurting your team resulting in a loss?
I don’t respect it at all it’s an idiotic decision and he’s a bad coach holding back a very talented team, but hopefully the media keeps acting like he’s awesome they keep him
The odds make sense. Do you want a single play at the seven yard line and a win if you score, or do you want to go to sudden death overtime where you may or may not get the ball first and lose if they score a touchdown?
People are only saying this is stupid, because they failed. The odds were a tad better to win in this scenario, so they went for it and Monday Morning quarterbacks are over here calling them idiots because it failed.
This isn't on the coach or the player, he reported! The official went off and didn't pay attention to his job.
Anyone who blames anyone but the refs here is insane, if this was the Vikings everyone on this sub would be FURIOUS, and justifiably so.
We literally had a ref tackle one of out players last year and the general response from the nfl community was "lul vikings." So you'll excuse me if I don't cry a river of tears for Detroit
I found that extra hilarious when that ref caused that safety last week for whatever. Big deal now, but fuck us last year, probably cause we still won that game. I was at that game! FedEx field is trash
I get it but I understand empathy and change starts with me, I'm not going to get anywhere if I am waiting for someone else to do the right thing first.
Kick the extra point and you essentially have a 50/50 shot at a win. I think you would need 50% odds of converting the 2 to improve your chances. Might make sense from the 2 where teams are generally about 50%. From the 7 the odds of converting go way down.
https://imgur.com/a/5UU6dbK
It’s just stupidity. People aren’t perfect and make mistakes all the time. You really believe the ref waited for this perfect moment to make his mistake to move some points and gain a few bucks? People just aren’t this intelligent and capable of hiding this kind of stuff long term.
It’s not a mastermind, it’s just a dumb mistake.
Also I'm starting to think I hallucinated the rules expert saying that play was 3 penalties, because no other person alive seems to mention it.
Even if he reported that play is coming back. It was an illegal formation.
Also for the love of all that is holy, maybe the play only works because the Cowboys didn't cover the guy that wasn't allowed to catch a pass.
Maybe if everything went by design there's a db there to swat the ball away from big meat hands.
Cowboys had 4 guys there to cover 2.
Yeah, it was an illegal formation because the referee is incompetent and didn't look at the number of the guy who reported as eligible. If 68 reports as eligible (which he clearly did), then the formation is legal. Since the mentally handicapped ref decided a guy who didn't say a word to him had reported., then formation becomes illegal because Dan Skipper, number 70, was not lined up to be an eligible receiver. It almost seems the formation was designed for number 68 to be the eligible receiver.
Definitely just a fuck up.
I think the real problem is, why does the NFL let the massive human error element persist? A hybrid of refs on the field, remote analysts in NY, AI, and digital administration (think press a button for a timeout or eligibility instead of hoping to get an old guys attention) would easily correct for this type of error.
Which isn’t unusual at all.
I feel like the rise of gambling has led to a rise in these kinds of salty posts. This dude probably put down some $100 bet to payout $125 if Detroit made the two point conversion.
Which feels weird because if it ever came out that it was rigged it would absolutely cripple Vegas. Betting on games is reliant on people believing the game is fair.
It would also give someone who knew insane leverage to break the news or they wanted to.
It’s funny to think the ref was waiting for them to not only tie the game, not only choose to go for two but also have that two point conversion be made to an OT that required being reported.
Not too mention the fact that the Cowboys intercepted Goff on the next play which could have sealed the deal for these supposed cheating refs but they decided to call a penalty for offsides. Why wouldn’t they have swallowed their whistle? It’s a bunch of nonsense to think they were rigging the game.
Why not call a million penalties before they got close to scoring the TD?! Because it’s not rigged.
Serious question.
Do you think the nfl would partner with a gambling company, where they promote placing bets on the games, while at the same time fixing/rigging games?
There's a reason you can't bet on the outcome of WWE matches in the US.
Yes, without question, the NFL would do anything for money. They have no scruples just like every other corporation.
The NFL was actually founded by a group of owners with serious ties to the mob and organized gambling.
Well that's were you and I are going to disagree.
Yes the NFL is greedy as hell, but fixing games would most likely be *the one thing* that could bring the nfl down, and they're not dumb enough to do it imo.
The nfl is greedy, they love exploiting people/things for money, but they also know not to mess with the money, and fixing games would be messing with it.
They don't need to fix games because the ratings are good regardless of who's playing.
That's just my opinion of course.
Confirmation bias I would assume.
I read an article recently and the favoritism in the NFL isn't as blatant as you think.
Something like the Colts and Cardinals get the most favoritable calls, this century or something, and I wouldn't consider either of them to be NFL sweethearts.
That and the fact that rigging/favoring games, from a legal standpoint, with all the betting that is going on and everything, would lead to catastrophic consequences for the NFL or any referee involved.
What article? I am interested in how they determined favorable calls and the criteria used over the ‘last century of football’ through rule changes and game metrics. There are plenty of APIs for game stats that offer details on the ref crew in addition to team and player stats - you can build your own tools from that.
Found it. I thought the data was from 2000 meaning this century (which is what I said), but I got that wrong, it's from 2010-2021. So ten full seasons of football.
https://time2play.com/blog/referee-bias-in-the-nfl/
People who think the nfl are rigged are brain dead morons. There might be a dirty ref who can do what he can to influence a game but to say it’s scripted, like all players are in on it, shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
I've suggested a solution for like 20 years now and its really simple
All teams keep the same amount of challenges they have now so this wouldn't slow down the game.
The change is: Make every single play reviewable by both teams with the ability to challenge clear mistakes including missed calls by the refs.
For example a wide receiver clearly draws pass interference but the refs don't call it. Under this new rule the HC could use one of their challenges for the non call saying "Hey that was clear pass interference that wasn't called". Then it would be reviewed by the executive refs back in new york and pass interference could be called if there was clear evidence.
They tried making PI reviewable a couple years back. Not 1 got overturned because the refs get up in their feelings and “back up their buddies” on every call.
They need to be full time employees and then fire the bad ones. It’s that fuckin simple
No. 1 got overturned and it was to fuck the saints over which LMAO. Refs were whiny little babies about the rule and that they could be wrong, but saints were little bitches who demanded the rule change even though they got the ball first in over time and Drew “Stat compiler” Brees threw an atrocious interception in over time, so then saints fans threw a fit to make PI reviewable conveniently forgetting that the refs are the only reason they have their Super Bowl.
Whatever you say about the Saints.. we still got one. We will always win the arguement of whatever the hell you Vikings got to say. We might’ve put the hurt on y’all which is what football is on defense is hitting people! Saints wasn’t the only team that did it.. they got snitched on. Vikings did it as well. Come with facts instead some bs y’all just say. it’s not like we deflated a damn ball. But again.. we got ours!!
1 play (against us) was turned into an OPI in Lambeau, which was BS. And that's the reason they stopped overturning it. It's a subjective call a lot of the time and if there's contact you end up having to call it. It wasn't about backing up their buddies, it was about the incredible stupidity of the league thinking a judgment call on the field isn't also a judgment call on review.
That wouldn't change the play from the Lions game last night. The refs announced 70 as eligible instead of 68. That completely changed how the Cowboys defended the play. It was a colossal mistake by the refs but there's no way you could let that play stand
There was 20some seconds left in the game, that challenge is long gone. What is there to revive though? Do we know what those two linemen said? Why was there two out there instead of just the one?
There were two approaching the ref with another running from the sidelines. The ref heard number 70 who was running in from the sidelines and announced him eligible to the Cowboys, hence 68 wide open in the endzone.
If the refs hadn’t messed up the cowboys would have known about 68 being eligible and likely actually cover him and the play may have not worked but we’ll know.
Exactly this. The Lions got 2 more chances and couldn't get anything going. Who's to say the first play would've worked if refs had reported it correctly?
I'm not mad that the Lions lost, but I am mad about how the refs' incompetence changed the outcome of the game.
These kinds of preventable mistakes cheapen the product and make me not want to watch. That sounds dramatic even to me, but when the players and coaches can do everything right and have the result changed by the NFL, the games feel pointless.
What were the three separate penalties? I know the commentator said that on the broadcast and referenced illegal formation, but that's wrong - if Decker was probably announced as an eligible receiver that formation would have been legal.
At some point people have t admit it's intentional, right? No six year old wants to find out that Santa is a lie, but at some point they figure it out.
It was a mistake, idk how you could watch that unfold last night and come away thinking it was intentional. Waiting for a 2 pt conversion at the end would be the dumbest and most obvious way to fix a game.
Refs fuck up. It happens a lot more than we'd like. A ref caused a safety last week. A ref blocked a Vikings defender last year in the Commanders game stopping what would've been an interception. Shits not intentional, its just old guys messing up.
What the outrage was? Were you on twitter in the past 10 hours? They're mad that despite following the rules on declaring eligibility, the refs STILL were incompetent enough to get the wrong person to get declared DESPITE the video showing 70 was walking up AFTER the ref gave the nod to 68
Not necessarily. 58 and 68 were eligible and 70 had been reporting most of the game. I think Campbells plan was to throw out two numbers that were similar, one of them being Sewell who has been known to report (famously against us last year) and also have 70 out there in case any dumbass defenders assume hes still eligible. I mean, the dumbass refs certainly did. This play probably would have worked but it was so tricky it tricked the refs and the lions played themselves.
You clearly didn't even know that they do press conferences so it's odd that you're trying to "win" this interaction on a technicality. And no one was even trying to best you. They were just informing you. It's way too early to be escalating this shit to a link to hooked on phonics.
This is just stupid. They had 3 linemen go to the official, likely to “confuse” the cowboys. That’s an even dumber strategy since they then announce who reported eligible. Then Decker just lines up as normal on the end of the line, no hand signal or anything to check eligibility with the side judge, and with his name never being announced as eligible.
Maybe the ref didn’t hear him announce or what not in that huddle before the play, but nothing that happened after that huddle suggested he was an eligible receiver, so I genuinely don’t see a problem here.
The number of one score games, questionable game-changing calls, the amount of sports gambling dollars riding on games, and the complexity of the rules in the modern NFL are all way too damn high.
i love how most people consider corporations evil and say stuff like "they will do anything for a buck".
but when it comes to sports they can't believe it would ever happen, despite the NBA getting caught doing it years ago. "how could they possibly"
i see what i see. i'm open to being wrong.. but it sure seems suspect to me. and when i bring it up most people just say "no it isn't" with nothing else added.
It does seem suspect to me, and I'm absolutely open to the possibility it is just incompetent refs. I think it's a bridge too far to say it is 100% happening or that it isn't, as there are a lot of incentives for the NFL to both maintain their integrity for bettors and for refs to look to profit from a newly formed sports gambling partnership.
Personally, I think that we're witnessing the side effects of a massive dropoff in QB play after guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Luck, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, etc... wind down their careers. Couple this with wild dropoffs for guys like Kyler, Allen, Russ, Watson, and Carr plus the injuries to several starting QBs and the playing field has been leveled for over half the league.
The number of one score games is ridiculous, and I think it's evidence of the resurgence of parity. The margins for error in winning a game, a division, a conference, or a championship are shrinking. It's competitive enough that the difference between the Lions beating the Cowboys comes down to the refs and Lions botching the declaration of an eligible receiver on a 2 point attempt.
yeah that's the main reply i get "no it isn't or stop watching".
i've heavily slowed my consumption. i enjoy it on a very casual basis now. i love competition and sports but the reffing in all team sports ruins it for me.
Exactly. Yeah, maybe Allen messed up by assuming Skipper was reporting. But you absolutely deserve whatever happens if your whole plan was to have 3 guys, including 2 ineligible guys who don't need to report, go to the ref, with the ineligible guy running onto the field giving the signal that he's eligible. And then not doing anything when the refs announce the wrong guy. They were clearly trying to confuse Dallas and it just confused the refs. Not "rigged," it's just Hanlon's Razor
🎯 my exact feelings on this, they tried to get too cute for their own good. Decker(68) could've said he's eligible and Skipper(70)who's running on the field and making the gesture that he's eligible only further confuses the situation itself. Who do you believe is eligible at that point ? The guy who is Infront of you with another lineman. Or the guy who had been reporting as eligible previously in the game running on the field making the im eligible gesture. Dan Campbell even in his presser said "two guys can't report as eligible" that screw up is on them and not the refs.
Yup. I do feel sorry for Detroit but 1) it was trickery to begin with; 2) they had a chance to correct it and either everyone who knew what the play was were not paying attention or otherwise just declined to do so; 3) Dallas would have covered the receiver had they known; and 4) Dan Campbell had the opportunity to make the right decision and kick the extra point for OT and decided to continue rolling the dice.
This is not a 2018 NFCCG situation where a sure win was taken from the Saints. This situation, though a fuck up, is much more grey.
Why are people bringing up the super bowl? That was a clear penalty.
I really don't give a fuck about this lions BS. This is what Campbell gets when he tries so much trickery that it even confuses the refs and his own players. Why did three linemen approach the ref to report? Why didn't they catch the mistake when announced? They confused their own players and refs just as much as they confused the defense.
Then they had two more opportunities not to try the two point from far away but Campbell was blind with rage so he went for it anyway. Despite the penalty, they could have taken the game to OT and had another chance to win.
They don't get disciplined or fired because they have a strong union and the replacements are even worse. If we didn't have instant replay no one would be talking about the refs.
Oh no you can't sue the nfl for a botched call? What's your loss? What's your standing? You watch the games and are a fan but you don't actually lose anything when your team gets screwed. The only people who I think could sue the league are players, coaches, GMs, or even owners. They're the only ones with any standing as their livelihoods can depend on refs' calls.
>with the terrible call to end last years super bowl
The call was correct and the defensive back himself confirmed that it was a penalty. This is not a great example to start your post with.
American football is a remarkably complicated sport in terms of rules and rules enforcement, and ignoring each of the instances where there are subjective calls that you don't agree with, blatantly incorrect calls such as the one towards the end of last night's game are the result of human error. It's unacceptable for the impact that it has, and there should be some mechanisms in place to prevent and/or rectify these mistakes. But if you truly think the sport is rigged or influenced and don't believe that this issue results from human error (or dissatisfaction at subjective calls), consider slowing your consumption of the NFL to a stop.
Posted in one of the NFL threads last night and I 100% believe it was incompetence by the ref, but the lions made it unnecessarily complicated by having 3 linemen go up to/approach the ref (especially if 70 had previous plays in the game where he reported).
Look at the video, 58 and 68 both go to the ref to supposedly report 68 is eligible, but at the same time 70 is approaching the ref instead of just going to the huddle. If he has no reason to go to the ref, as he’s not reporting as eligible, why is he approaching him to the point the ref locks eyes and then acknowledges him.
In the end the ref has the most blame as he couldn’t keep things straight in a situation like this (not sure if the play clock was running at the time, so further time constraints), but in trying to bend the rule as much as possible, the Lions screwed themselves.
Like the Jerome Bettis coin flip incident, maybe they should have to announce over PA system that the player is eligible.
Sad to see the Lions get screwed like that but they are the Lions so it kind of par for the course.
They kind of always have as long as I've been watching. I'll never forget watching the Seahawks vs Steelers Super Bowl. That shit felt incredibly blatant.
i agree w u it’s obvious.. it’s about making money just like every other greedy corporation.
so cowboys playing well makes most money.. close games keeps viewers watching tv , nfl is partnered with sports bet companies.
the least penalized team in brady era was pats , now its gonna be cheifs.
people need to grow up a bit if they think nfl is a pure sport.
what is a pure sport? well olympics and look how that goes lol
exactly.
this is anecdotal but my mom is friends with an olympic judge. she recently quit after the attempted bribes/threats got to be too much for her.
This year has been extraordinary bad. It certainly raises eyebrows when you have refs basically swinging the outcomes of games in the final few minutes. Especially the ol reliable borderline pass interference that gets called in the last 5 minutes when they’ve been letting WRs and DBs battle it out all game. Then suddenly it’s an issue when it’s a game altering play.
>This year has been extraordinary bad.
People say this every single year. It's the same as it's always been. Refs make major controversial mistakes in all sports.
in the superbowl last year.. don't call shit all game then fuck the eagles at the end over a meh call. and i hate the eagles more than any team including the packers
in the superbowl the year before the rams got a gimmie 1st down on their last offensive drive too. but that one you could argue was a make up for the massive missed call against CIN earlier that game. still a terrible call that helped sway the game
edit: you fucking cucks cry about corporations "boo hoo they rip everyone off and do everything for a buck" but when it comes to sports you could never see a company doing something bad to make money
I can definitely empathize and felt bad for the Lions. It’s such a miracle that the game-changing penalties in the waning minutes somehow always seem to miraculously benefit the blue-blood, largest fan base, big market teams. Nothing suspicious at all going on here.
70 reported as eligible when 68 was supposed to. 70 lined up at tackle, making it an illegal formation. The Lions committed 2 penalties. There’s nothing rigged about cheerleader Dan calling a stupid play that his players executed incorrectly.
ah shit man you totally changed my mind, you're right i'll delete the post
*edit: since you sneakily edited your comment i will respond to your new comment.*
*i watch less and less every year. i like watching people compete at high levels and sports is the way i watched that. now i am massively slowing down my consumption and never spending money on it*
https://youtube.com/shorts/ma248kJFf9Q?si=xkuaKyuA7605K34N
Evan Turner spells it out. These aren't sports leagues, these are entertainment leagues. Hence why you get Jimmy Johnson telling Drew Brees in their pregame interview "I now anoint you Americans *New* Team, Drew. America is rooting for you", and then the refs completely fuck the Vikings over in a half and OT that they hold the Saints offense to 72 total yards and all the Vikings get is a quick apology from the NFL and the OT rules changed after the fact.
The fix has always been in, NFL needed Cowboys to win that one so they can sell the Divisional race between the Eagles and Cowboys; Lions already had their division wrapped up.
There is no way they would jump in with gambling if that was the case because that is just begging for a congressional investigation and Vegas wouldn’t allow it either because betting on predetermined outcomes is rightfully illegal.
Basically every game that takes 25 minutes to play the final two minutes of football is rigged. And it's not just the refs. It goes way deeper than that. It feels like a scripted reality tv show when games go on like that, specifically the final two minutes...for drama and suspense? It took them 6 entire minutes to play 19 seconds of football. That's WWE caliber. It's where Roger Goodell takes insipiration from. Everyone knows Vince Mcmahon and Goodell are buddy buddies.
The amount of people that would have to be in on it for the whole thing to be rigged would be in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands. If it were rigged/scripted, SOMEONE would talk.
Lmfaooooo that's how they get you. Just like blaming the refs is how they get you. The most successful lies are half lies half truths. It only takes one or two guys to blow coverage, throw a pick, whiff a tackle, line up offsides. They don't need the entire team on it. Bread and circuses. Vegas whores.
Why do you think a player who is trying to make a career and wants to stick around and is hyper competitive would intentionally blow a coverage or miss a tackle and potentially lose his job
You are preaching to the choir. I first questioned the legitimacy of the NFL after the NFC title game in 2009, aka bountygate, aka katrinagate.
I have done further research on the subject and have come to the same conclusions as you. It's a performance put on for the fans controlled by the refs. It's sports entertainment designed to sell commercials.
What an absolute screwjob. Forgot they played last night, woke up and watched the vids on possible rigging and WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F???
I wouldn't be surprised if they got bent over and stretched out like this by the refs again in the playoffs if they play against another NFL darling team like the cowboys.
Ever since online betting was legalized here in the US. “It seems” that more and more these officials are changing the outcomes of the game. And not the players. Your telling me those officials didn’t have parlays last night? Cee dee lamb being the essentialy the ONLY one catching the ball for the cowboys seemed very strange to me as well. There was several cases of blatant pass interference that weren’t called and they defiantly appear to call things based on whatever team they want to win. I’m not a lions fan either but that was yet again a win handed to a team via NFL referees. And the NFL has stated that there’s strict rules on betting for officials.They are banned and any family members I believe. But you’re telling me that a referee’s cousin’s friend can’t make a parlay for them? Come on NFL.
I can't believe they went for 2 from the 7.
If there's one thing I respect about the Lions and Man Campbell, it's that they have planetary sized balls to do stuff like this all the time. And hey, I don't care what analytics or the media says, I like his aggression. He's not only trying to bring a SB to Detroit, but is trying to pulverize the competition along the way. It's admirable.
Yes the fake punt from their own 25 was so ballsy. I love it haha
They’ve converted fake punts inside their 30 twice this season. Read a book
It's stupid. Especially after the Dallas penalty bailed you out for being stupid once, just kick the XP and go to OT.
You might not get a better chance to win the game by going to overtime. You've got one play to win or lose the game, and Campbell would rather go for it and live with the outcome than play 10 more minutes.
They won the North so I agree with Dan and it was a BS call by the ref guy announced and ref acknowledged it. But had the wrong players number
You know you can quantify that stuff, right? Hitting the PAT from that distance is like a 98% chance, all but guaranteeing you have a shot in overtime. Then in overtime they probably had something around a 50% chance of winning. Even higher than in past years with a coin toss loss, so that's not even as much of a factor. There's no chance going for two in that situation is close to the odds above. It was a stupid decision.
He told the boys we’re gonna score and then go for the win. And that’s what they did. I wish we had those big swinging nuts more often. Instead we have cold lake water nuts
Lions fan checking in. I like the Lions odds of getting 7 yards than I do beating Dallas in OT on the road.
You won’t win against teams in the playoffs doing shit like that. It might work once, but you need 4 wins. That shit always balances out and will come back to bite you in the kneecaps.
Bro im just seeing this a whole month later and as you could see you were totally right lmao, it did happen
And the play was a good call and would have worked with a better throw
Again, my respect stems from his willingness to commit time and time again to be able to try to win rather than tie. I'm 100% NOT making a judgement on "was it the right or wrong decision," I am pretty straight up saying I respect that he has no hesitation time and time again to try to step on his opponents' throat and seal the deal by going for it. He knows what he wants his teams' identity to be. Tbh I can't hate that ever personally. Don't care if it was the *actually technically the wrong decision* it's just fun and I admire his brass
There was also a couple questionable calls/no calls throughout that game. Pretty sure campbell realized it was going to be ref ball especially against the cowboys. It definitely looks dumb as hell but I think he just realized he has a better chance of getting 7 yards in one play then have a whole quarter left at the cowboys with this ref crew. I would have kicked the field goal, I still understand the decision though.
>Dallas penalty bailed you out for being stupid once, just kick the XP and go to OT. not worth risking injury
Big balls? Sure. Tiny brain? Definitely.
Aren’t they 19-7 in their last 26 games? Second best record in the league over that span? Seems like his brain is fine.
How do you know they wouldn’t have had a better record in that span with a different coach?
The last 30 Years or just the Lions existing would tell you otherwise. No other coach has been able to do it. I ain't saying another coach can't, but...
Picking and choosing what part of the previous season to include and not to fit your narrative is confirmation bias. If you’re gonna include any of last season, include it all. Oh wait they were 1-5 before then and that wouldn’t help your stats look good
No kneecaps are safe.
That’s why kerby Joseph targets knees and purposefully injures tight ends? Bountygate 2.0 watch what happens to yo dumb ass coach
That wasn't aggression, that was emotion. He was so angry at the penalty that he couldn't think straight.
100%. He said he told the guys they were going to score and then go for the win. I can respect that. But you *have* to stop and recalculate when you get pushed back to the 7 and Campbell just chose not to think.
I mean the play from the 7 kind of worked out they got a free shot in the end. I think they should have said screw it and kicked after that though.
That’s not balls. That’s stupidity. It ultimately cost them the game and a shot at a #1 seed.
Nah it’s just being stupid. He’s done aggressive shit all year that has hurt his team. This was one of them. How do you win a Super Bowl when you’re calling overly aggressive plays that’s hurting your team resulting in a loss?
I don’t respect it at all it’s an idiotic decision and he’s a bad coach holding back a very talented team, but hopefully the media keeps acting like he’s awesome they keep him
He’s a good coach, but he just needs to dial it back a bit. It’s much better to be aggressive than the cowardly crap we have had for years before
Yup he is doing the impossible, bringing some swagger to the Lions.
The odds make sense. Do you want a single play at the seven yard line and a win if you score, or do you want to go to sudden death overtime where you may or may not get the ball first and lose if they score a touchdown? People are only saying this is stupid, because they failed. The odds were a tad better to win in this scenario, so they went for it and Monday Morning quarterbacks are over here calling them idiots because it failed. This isn't on the coach or the player, he reported! The official went off and didn't pay attention to his job. Anyone who blames anyone but the refs here is insane, if this was the Vikings everyone on this sub would be FURIOUS, and justifiably so.
We literally had a ref tackle one of out players last year and the general response from the nfl community was "lul vikings." So you'll excuse me if I don't cry a river of tears for Detroit
I found that extra hilarious when that ref caused that safety last week for whatever. Big deal now, but fuck us last year, probably cause we still won that game. I was at that game! FedEx field is trash
I get it but I understand empathy and change starts with me, I'm not going to get anywhere if I am waiting for someone else to do the right thing first.
It's football, I'll save my empathy for injuries. Every team's been fucked by the refs, tonight was the Lions turn again.
My empathy is unlimited, I even have empathy for your lack of empathy lol
Glad you got to feel the moral high ground
It's not that at all! I just want you and everyone else to be heard, we all matter, I think...
Kick the extra point and you essentially have a 50/50 shot at a win. I think you would need 50% odds of converting the 2 to improve your chances. Might make sense from the 2 where teams are generally about 50%. From the 7 the odds of converting go way down. https://imgur.com/a/5UU6dbK
Fully agree. That was gutsy of Lions to do that. Respect 🫡 for the coach.
It’s just stupidity. People aren’t perfect and make mistakes all the time. You really believe the ref waited for this perfect moment to make his mistake to move some points and gain a few bucks? People just aren’t this intelligent and capable of hiding this kind of stuff long term. It’s not a mastermind, it’s just a dumb mistake.
Exactly. Don't attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity (or something like that).
Also I'm starting to think I hallucinated the rules expert saying that play was 3 penalties, because no other person alive seems to mention it. Even if he reported that play is coming back. It was an illegal formation. Also for the love of all that is holy, maybe the play only works because the Cowboys didn't cover the guy that wasn't allowed to catch a pass. Maybe if everything went by design there's a db there to swat the ball away from big meat hands. Cowboys had 4 guys there to cover 2.
I think it was only an illegal formation if he didn’t report.
You need the snafu to be him not reporting and that the other guy who was cited as reporting didn't report. The illegal side was the other side.
Yeah, it was an illegal formation because the referee is incompetent and didn't look at the number of the guy who reported as eligible. If 68 reports as eligible (which he clearly did), then the formation is legal. Since the mentally handicapped ref decided a guy who didn't say a word to him had reported., then formation becomes illegal because Dan Skipper, number 70, was not lined up to be an eligible receiver. It almost seems the formation was designed for number 68 to be the eligible receiver.
Definitely just a fuck up. I think the real problem is, why does the NFL let the massive human error element persist? A hybrid of refs on the field, remote analysts in NY, AI, and digital administration (think press a button for a timeout or eligibility instead of hoping to get an old guys attention) would easily correct for this type of error.
‘Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.’
Yup, human error is the main cause for so many dam mistakes and that goes for the NFL in officiating too.
Never assume malice when incompetence would suffice
Exactly. So many of these "NFL is rigged" complaints really all boil down to people sucking at their jobs during high profile moments.
Thank God 20 million people don't watch h me do my job. I'd look almost as inept as these refs.
Which isn’t unusual at all. I feel like the rise of gambling has led to a rise in these kinds of salty posts. This dude probably put down some $100 bet to payout $125 if Detroit made the two point conversion.
Which feels weird because if it ever came out that it was rigged it would absolutely cripple Vegas. Betting on games is reliant on people believing the game is fair. It would also give someone who knew insane leverage to break the news or they wanted to.
People still bet on the wwe.
Source? Or do you mean illegally? Because I thought as of 2023 there wasn't anywhere in the US to bet on the WWE?
It’s funny to think the ref was waiting for them to not only tie the game, not only choose to go for two but also have that two point conversion be made to an OT that required being reported. Not too mention the fact that the Cowboys intercepted Goff on the next play which could have sealed the deal for these supposed cheating refs but they decided to call a penalty for offsides. Why wouldn’t they have swallowed their whistle? It’s a bunch of nonsense to think they were rigging the game. Why not call a million penalties before they got close to scoring the TD?! Because it’s not rigged.
Or maybe there is actual legal evidence that the NFL is an entertainment leauge.
Serious question. Do you think the nfl would partner with a gambling company, where they promote placing bets on the games, while at the same time fixing/rigging games? There's a reason you can't bet on the outcome of WWE matches in the US.
Yes, without question, the NFL would do anything for money. They have no scruples just like every other corporation. The NFL was actually founded by a group of owners with serious ties to the mob and organized gambling.
Well that's were you and I are going to disagree. Yes the NFL is greedy as hell, but fixing games would most likely be *the one thing* that could bring the nfl down, and they're not dumb enough to do it imo. The nfl is greedy, they love exploiting people/things for money, but they also know not to mess with the money, and fixing games would be messing with it. They don't need to fix games because the ratings are good regardless of who's playing. That's just my opinion of course.
You bring an intelligent argument on the subject, and I thank you for it. I disagree with you that they wouldn't go that far.
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Confirmation bias I would assume. I read an article recently and the favoritism in the NFL isn't as blatant as you think. Something like the Colts and Cardinals get the most favoritable calls, this century or something, and I wouldn't consider either of them to be NFL sweethearts.
This is the kind of comment that should end every single discussion about this yet I’m still gonna wake up to see Reddit complaining for the next week
That and the fact that rigging/favoring games, from a legal standpoint, with all the betting that is going on and everything, would lead to catastrophic consequences for the NFL or any referee involved.
What article? I am interested in how they determined favorable calls and the criteria used over the ‘last century of football’ through rule changes and game metrics. There are plenty of APIs for game stats that offer details on the ref crew in addition to team and player stats - you can build your own tools from that.
Found it. I thought the data was from 2000 meaning this century (which is what I said), but I got that wrong, it's from 2010-2021. So ten full seasons of football. https://time2play.com/blog/referee-bias-in-the-nfl/
Thanks
Appears they are using https://www.pro-football-reference.com/, which is one of my main resources. good article, thanks again.
This same situation took a TD of the board for the cowboys this year. But no one is talking about that
That quote has often crossed my mind this year with the refs but even with that being true, the NFL has an incompetent ref problem.
Especially that crew operating yesterday. They are always at the center of all the worst calls.
120 billion is bet on sports annually and you think, to a man, officials are acting in good faith?
There’s a huge difference between a dirty ref and “the nfl is rigged”
Still the Lions got hosed. I can’t believe people actually bet on these games with officiating the way it is.
People who think the nfl are rigged are brain dead morons. There might be a dirty ref who can do what he can to influence a game but to say it’s scripted, like all players are in on it, shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills.
*whispering* ^I ^think ^with ^how ^much ^these ^owners ^make ^I ^wouldn’t ^put ^it ^past ^them ^to ^pay ^off ^refs. ^I ^think ^it’s ^a ^discussion ^that ^needs ^to ^be ^had… ^but ^this ^isn’t ^an ^example ^of ^it
The counter argument to that is this always seems to happens at the expense of the Lions, and it’s never the other way around
Never assume incompetence when malice would suffice.
I've suggested a solution for like 20 years now and its really simple All teams keep the same amount of challenges they have now so this wouldn't slow down the game. The change is: Make every single play reviewable by both teams with the ability to challenge clear mistakes including missed calls by the refs. For example a wide receiver clearly draws pass interference but the refs don't call it. Under this new rule the HC could use one of their challenges for the non call saying "Hey that was clear pass interference that wasn't called". Then it would be reviewed by the executive refs back in new york and pass interference could be called if there was clear evidence.
They tried making PI reviewable a couple years back. Not 1 got overturned because the refs get up in their feelings and “back up their buddies” on every call. They need to be full time employees and then fire the bad ones. It’s that fuckin simple
No. 1 got overturned and it was to fuck the saints over which LMAO. Refs were whiny little babies about the rule and that they could be wrong, but saints were little bitches who demanded the rule change even though they got the ball first in over time and Drew “Stat compiler” Brees threw an atrocious interception in over time, so then saints fans threw a fit to make PI reviewable conveniently forgetting that the refs are the only reason they have their Super Bowl.
Whatever you say about the Saints.. we still got one. We will always win the arguement of whatever the hell you Vikings got to say. We might’ve put the hurt on y’all which is what football is on defense is hitting people! Saints wasn’t the only team that did it.. they got snitched on. Vikings did it as well. Come with facts instead some bs y’all just say. it’s not like we deflated a damn ball. But again.. we got ours!!
1 play (against us) was turned into an OPI in Lambeau, which was BS. And that's the reason they stopped overturning it. It's a subjective call a lot of the time and if there's contact you end up having to call it. It wasn't about backing up their buddies, it was about the incredible stupidity of the league thinking a judgment call on the field isn't also a judgment call on review.
That wouldn't change the play from the Lions game last night. The refs announced 70 as eligible instead of 68. That completely changed how the Cowboys defended the play. It was a colossal mistake by the refs but there's no way you could let that play stand
Cue the challenging of illegal contact or holding 30 yards away from the play, every time the play doesn't go the offense/defenses way.
If each coach has the same amount of challenges they have now, they couldn't challenge "every time the play doesn't go the offense/defense way."
There was 20some seconds left in the game, that challenge is long gone. What is there to revive though? Do we know what those two linemen said? Why was there two out there instead of just the one?
There were two approaching the ref with another running from the sidelines. The ref heard number 70 who was running in from the sidelines and announced him eligible to the Cowboys, hence 68 wide open in the endzone.
It probably wouldn't matter in this particularly unusual situation but I still think it's a good idea.
This would require refs to have humility which as we've found out from some crews this is definitely not in their DNA
They did something like that in the XFL last year with a golden challenge.
Refs have said they won’t allow this to happen, because it would be extra work.
Source?
Seems legit … the very powerful “ref” lobby dictating to the NFL.
If the refs hadn’t messed up the cowboys would have known about 68 being eligible and likely actually cover him and the play may have not worked but we’ll know.
Exactly this. The Lions got 2 more chances and couldn't get anything going. Who's to say the first play would've worked if refs had reported it correctly?
I'm not mad that the Lions lost, but I am mad about how the refs' incompetence changed the outcome of the game. These kinds of preventable mistakes cheapen the product and make me not want to watch. That sounds dramatic even to me, but when the players and coaches can do everything right and have the result changed by the NFL, the games feel pointless.
There was no incompetence. The lions could’ve had 3 separate penalties on that play. The Lions fucked it up
What were the three separate penalties? I know the commentator said that on the broadcast and referenced illegal formation, but that's wrong - if Decker was probably announced as an eligible receiver that formation would have been legal.
At some point people have t admit it's intentional, right? No six year old wants to find out that Santa is a lie, but at some point they figure it out.
It was a mistake, idk how you could watch that unfold last night and come away thinking it was intentional. Waiting for a 2 pt conversion at the end would be the dumbest and most obvious way to fix a game.
Refs fuck up. It happens a lot more than we'd like. A ref caused a safety last week. A ref blocked a Vikings defender last year in the Commanders game stopping what would've been an interception. Shits not intentional, its just old guys messing up.
That's not the point of the whole outrage though?
What is it then? Just that it took 16seconds?
What the outrage was? Were you on twitter in the past 10 hours? They're mad that despite following the rules on declaring eligibility, the refs STILL were incompetent enough to get the wrong person to get declared DESPITE the video showing 70 was walking up AFTER the ref gave the nod to 68
Not necessarily. 58 and 68 were eligible and 70 had been reporting most of the game. I think Campbells plan was to throw out two numbers that were similar, one of them being Sewell who has been known to report (famously against us last year) and also have 70 out there in case any dumbass defenders assume hes still eligible. I mean, the dumbass refs certainly did. This play probably would have worked but it was so tricky it tricked the refs and the lions played themselves.
It’s not like Decker was wide open. There were two Cowboys near him. They didn’t cover 70 as where he lined up he clearly wasn’t eligible.
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They literally do that. It's just not on video: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1741415298190778684?t=zS9RmYdwvrX1hzyfYyY83A&s=19
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You clearly didn't even know that they do press conferences so it's odd that you're trying to "win" this interaction on a technicality. And no one was even trying to best you. They were just informing you. It's way too early to be escalating this shit to a link to hooked on phonics.
This is the most randomly aggressive comment I've ever seen.
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What?
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Kind of ironic how last week the lions fan base was telling us to stop complaining about the refs...
It's the lions who cares
This is just stupid. They had 3 linemen go to the official, likely to “confuse” the cowboys. That’s an even dumber strategy since they then announce who reported eligible. Then Decker just lines up as normal on the end of the line, no hand signal or anything to check eligibility with the side judge, and with his name never being announced as eligible. Maybe the ref didn’t hear him announce or what not in that huddle before the play, but nothing that happened after that huddle suggested he was an eligible receiver, so I genuinely don’t see a problem here.
Walking up three players to the ref was the issue. They were trying to create confusion and did.
The number of one score games, questionable game-changing calls, the amount of sports gambling dollars riding on games, and the complexity of the rules in the modern NFL are all way too damn high.
i love how most people consider corporations evil and say stuff like "they will do anything for a buck". but when it comes to sports they can't believe it would ever happen, despite the NBA getting caught doing it years ago. "how could they possibly" i see what i see. i'm open to being wrong.. but it sure seems suspect to me. and when i bring it up most people just say "no it isn't" with nothing else added.
It does seem suspect to me, and I'm absolutely open to the possibility it is just incompetent refs. I think it's a bridge too far to say it is 100% happening or that it isn't, as there are a lot of incentives for the NFL to both maintain their integrity for bettors and for refs to look to profit from a newly formed sports gambling partnership. Personally, I think that we're witnessing the side effects of a massive dropoff in QB play after guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Luck, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, etc... wind down their careers. Couple this with wild dropoffs for guys like Kyler, Allen, Russ, Watson, and Carr plus the injuries to several starting QBs and the playing field has been leveled for over half the league. The number of one score games is ridiculous, and I think it's evidence of the resurgence of parity. The margins for error in winning a game, a division, a conference, or a championship are shrinking. It's competitive enough that the difference between the Lions beating the Cowboys comes down to the refs and Lions botching the declaration of an eligible receiver on a 2 point attempt.
Is it actually competitive, or do refs keep games close on purpose? They control the momentum.
If you are dumb enough to think it is rigged, just stop watching already.
He’s an autistic 4chan conspiracy nut. Edit: Check ops profile
yeah that's the main reply i get "no it isn't or stop watching". i've heavily slowed my consumption. i enjoy it on a very casual basis now. i love competition and sports but the reffing in all team sports ruins it for me.
There is a good reason for that.
3 Lions (why?) approached the ref and he announced the wrong number of the guy who reported. The Lions should’ve caught the mistake.
Not only that but it gets announced who is eligible to the stadium. Idk why the Lions heard that and ignored it.
Campbell obviously tried some trickery that backfired.
It’s loud in the stadium, Lions were struggling with the noise at the Vikings stadium as well
Ref could be heard clear as day on the Spanish broadcast.
Can't throw to your left tackle anyway. Guy was in the normal tackle position.
I believe it was a legal formation. If ref would’ve heard Decker, it would’ve stood.
No it wasn’t legal. Decker was covered up. Even if he reported it still would’ve been a penalty
I don’t believe he was covered.
You might want to look again
I have.. lol
Exactly. Yeah, maybe Allen messed up by assuming Skipper was reporting. But you absolutely deserve whatever happens if your whole plan was to have 3 guys, including 2 ineligible guys who don't need to report, go to the ref, with the ineligible guy running onto the field giving the signal that he's eligible. And then not doing anything when the refs announce the wrong guy. They were clearly trying to confuse Dallas and it just confused the refs. Not "rigged," it's just Hanlon's Razor
🎯 my exact feelings on this, they tried to get too cute for their own good. Decker(68) could've said he's eligible and Skipper(70)who's running on the field and making the gesture that he's eligible only further confuses the situation itself. Who do you believe is eligible at that point ? The guy who is Infront of you with another lineman. Or the guy who had been reporting as eligible previously in the game running on the field making the im eligible gesture. Dan Campbell even in his presser said "two guys can't report as eligible" that screw up is on them and not the refs.
Yup. I do feel sorry for Detroit but 1) it was trickery to begin with; 2) they had a chance to correct it and either everyone who knew what the play was were not paying attention or otherwise just declined to do so; 3) Dallas would have covered the receiver had they known; and 4) Dan Campbell had the opportunity to make the right decision and kick the extra point for OT and decided to continue rolling the dice. This is not a 2018 NFCCG situation where a sure win was taken from the Saints. This situation, though a fuck up, is much more grey.
Lions tried to get too cute lol
Why are people bringing up the super bowl? That was a clear penalty. I really don't give a fuck about this lions BS. This is what Campbell gets when he tries so much trickery that it even confuses the refs and his own players. Why did three linemen approach the ref to report? Why didn't they catch the mistake when announced? They confused their own players and refs just as much as they confused the defense. Then they had two more opportunities not to try the two point from far away but Campbell was blind with rage so he went for it anyway. Despite the penalty, they could have taken the game to OT and had another chance to win. They don't get disciplined or fired because they have a strong union and the replacements are even worse. If we didn't have instant replay no one would be talking about the refs. Oh no you can't sue the nfl for a botched call? What's your loss? What's your standing? You watch the games and are a fan but you don't actually lose anything when your team gets screwed. The only people who I think could sue the league are players, coaches, GMs, or even owners. They're the only ones with any standing as their livelihoods can depend on refs' calls.
>with the terrible call to end last years super bowl The call was correct and the defensive back himself confirmed that it was a penalty. This is not a great example to start your post with. American football is a remarkably complicated sport in terms of rules and rules enforcement, and ignoring each of the instances where there are subjective calls that you don't agree with, blatantly incorrect calls such as the one towards the end of last night's game are the result of human error. It's unacceptable for the impact that it has, and there should be some mechanisms in place to prevent and/or rectify these mistakes. But if you truly think the sport is rigged or influenced and don't believe that this issue results from human error (or dissatisfaction at subjective calls), consider slowing your consumption of the NFL to a stop.
Don’t care fuck the Lions
This post has nothing to do with the Vikings. There is an entire NFL sub that posted about this already….
Posted in one of the NFL threads last night and I 100% believe it was incompetence by the ref, but the lions made it unnecessarily complicated by having 3 linemen go up to/approach the ref (especially if 70 had previous plays in the game where he reported). Look at the video, 58 and 68 both go to the ref to supposedly report 68 is eligible, but at the same time 70 is approaching the ref instead of just going to the huddle. If he has no reason to go to the ref, as he’s not reporting as eligible, why is he approaching him to the point the ref locks eyes and then acknowledges him. In the end the ref has the most blame as he couldn’t keep things straight in a situation like this (not sure if the play clock was running at the time, so further time constraints), but in trying to bend the rule as much as possible, the Lions screwed themselves.
Like the Jerome Bettis coin flip incident, maybe they should have to announce over PA system that the player is eligible. Sad to see the Lions get screwed like that but they are the Lions so it kind of par for the course.
They kind of always have as long as I've been watching. I'll never forget watching the Seahawks vs Steelers Super Bowl. That shit felt incredibly blatant.
yep its not a new thing. gambling may have made it a bit worse but not a lot worse. tom brady used to get calls like no other too
The second you remember the nfl is considered an “entertainment product” for tax reasons. It all makes a little more sense doesn’t it.
Terrible reffing. Honestly feel bad for Campbell
Amen brotha
i agree w u it’s obvious.. it’s about making money just like every other greedy corporation. so cowboys playing well makes most money.. close games keeps viewers watching tv , nfl is partnered with sports bet companies. the least penalized team in brady era was pats , now its gonna be cheifs. people need to grow up a bit if they think nfl is a pure sport. what is a pure sport? well olympics and look how that goes lol
exactly. this is anecdotal but my mom is friends with an olympic judge. she recently quit after the attempted bribes/threats got to be too much for her.
Nfl is obviously rigged, or they have the sorriest refs in pro sports
This year has been extraordinary bad. It certainly raises eyebrows when you have refs basically swinging the outcomes of games in the final few minutes. Especially the ol reliable borderline pass interference that gets called in the last 5 minutes when they’ve been letting WRs and DBs battle it out all game. Then suddenly it’s an issue when it’s a game altering play.
>This year has been extraordinary bad. People say this every single year. It's the same as it's always been. Refs make major controversial mistakes in all sports.
in the superbowl last year.. don't call shit all game then fuck the eagles at the end over a meh call. and i hate the eagles more than any team including the packers in the superbowl the year before the rams got a gimmie 1st down on their last offensive drive too. but that one you could argue was a make up for the massive missed call against CIN earlier that game. still a terrible call that helped sway the game edit: you fucking cucks cry about corporations "boo hoo they rip everyone off and do everything for a buck" but when it comes to sports you could never see a company doing something bad to make money
The PI on bradberry was absolutely the right call and the player admitted it. Can’t stop calling penalties just because it’s near the end of the game
I can definitely empathize and felt bad for the Lions. It’s such a miracle that the game-changing penalties in the waning minutes somehow always seem to miraculously benefit the blue-blood, largest fan base, big market teams. Nothing suspicious at all going on here.
“NFL is rigged” is the sports equivalent to “The election was rigged!” You’re an idiot for parroting either.
70 reported as eligible when 68 was supposed to. 70 lined up at tackle, making it an illegal formation. The Lions committed 2 penalties. There’s nothing rigged about cheerleader Dan calling a stupid play that his players executed incorrectly.
This is not what happened.
Even if 68 did report, it was an illegal formation and would have been penalized regardless.
It was illegal if 68 was ineligible but it would have been legal had 68 been eligible
Dude Dallas gave them opportunities to either tie or win so wtf ever
I understand
GTFO with the rigged bullshit. Why do all you conspiracy theorists still watch then?
ah shit man you totally changed my mind, you're right i'll delete the post *edit: since you sneakily edited your comment i will respond to your new comment.* *i watch less and less every year. i like watching people compete at high levels and sports is the way i watched that. now i am massively slowing down my consumption and never spending money on it*
https://youtube.com/shorts/ma248kJFf9Q?si=xkuaKyuA7605K34N
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that the NFL is classified the same way the WWE is. Do with that info what you will.
The NFL license itself as an entertainment company.
Who classified the nfl as wwe?
Hes bring up that the nfl doesn't list themselves as a sport business but rather as an entertainment business much like the WWE does
Not the exact same. But the same type of company.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ma248kJFf9Q?si=xkuaKyuA7605K34N Evan Turner spells it out. These aren't sports leagues, these are entertainment leagues. Hence why you get Jimmy Johnson telling Drew Brees in their pregame interview "I now anoint you Americans *New* Team, Drew. America is rooting for you", and then the refs completely fuck the Vikings over in a half and OT that they hold the Saints offense to 72 total yards and all the Vikings get is a quick apology from the NFL and the OT rules changed after the fact. The fix has always been in, NFL needed Cowboys to win that one so they can sell the Divisional race between the Eagles and Cowboys; Lions already had their division wrapped up.
yep. glad i'm not the only one who sees it.
There is no way they would jump in with gambling if that was the case because that is just begging for a congressional investigation and Vegas wouldn’t allow it either because betting on predetermined outcomes is rightfully illegal.
Sure thing there, you red headed, freckled... Found another Billy Burr conspiracist lol
Ok, plane
Basically every game that takes 25 minutes to play the final two minutes of football is rigged. And it's not just the refs. It goes way deeper than that. It feels like a scripted reality tv show when games go on like that, specifically the final two minutes...for drama and suspense? It took them 6 entire minutes to play 19 seconds of football. That's WWE caliber. It's where Roger Goodell takes insipiration from. Everyone knows Vince Mcmahon and Goodell are buddy buddies.
Least butthurt lions fan. You lost, get over it.
The amount of people that would have to be in on it for the whole thing to be rigged would be in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands. If it were rigged/scripted, SOMEONE would talk.
Lmfaooooo that's how they get you. Just like blaming the refs is how they get you. The most successful lies are half lies half truths. It only takes one or two guys to blow coverage, throw a pick, whiff a tackle, line up offsides. They don't need the entire team on it. Bread and circuses. Vegas whores.
Why do you think a player who is trying to make a career and wants to stick around and is hyper competitive would intentionally blow a coverage or miss a tackle and potentially lose his job
The refs can call or not call pi and holding on every play. That's how they control it.
You are preaching to the choir. I first questioned the legitimacy of the NFL after the NFC title game in 2009, aka bountygate, aka katrinagate. I have done further research on the subject and have come to the same conclusions as you. It's a performance put on for the fans controlled by the refs. It's sports entertainment designed to sell commercials.
What an absolute screwjob. Forgot they played last night, woke up and watched the vids on possible rigging and WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F??? I wouldn't be surprised if they got bent over and stretched out like this by the refs again in the playoffs if they play against another NFL darling team like the cowboys.
Ever since online betting was legalized here in the US. “It seems” that more and more these officials are changing the outcomes of the game. And not the players. Your telling me those officials didn’t have parlays last night? Cee dee lamb being the essentialy the ONLY one catching the ball for the cowboys seemed very strange to me as well. There was several cases of blatant pass interference that weren’t called and they defiantly appear to call things based on whatever team they want to win. I’m not a lions fan either but that was yet again a win handed to a team via NFL referees. And the NFL has stated that there’s strict rules on betting for officials.They are banned and any family members I believe. But you’re telling me that a referee’s cousin’s friend can’t make a parlay for them? Come on NFL.