It's crazy what 1.5 years of decent football have done to that fanbase. I've always quite liked the Lions and felt a certain level of empathy and respect for the true Lions fans out there that were still supporting them through the dark years (ie the vast minority of the folks cheering them on this season). But man, one playoff win since the world wide web was invented and they're EVERYWHERE talking mad shit acting like they're the 2000s Pats, 90s Cowboys, or 80s 49ers.
I always said I'd cheer for a the Lions if the Vikings were out and they had a chance but man these folks are making it tough.
I uses to figure that last part also. Now I'm cheering for Baker all the way! Just happens to mean I want the Bucs to win, but that isn't the important part. Baker getting a ring after the Browns gave up on him would be funny
I had a lions fan at work that said the other day, when chatting about the coaching situations all over the league, “personally, I wouldn’t hire Bill Belicheck”. We were all dumbfounded. They finally have some success and the delusion has already set in. Like MCDC is great, but you’re telling me because you finally won 1 playoff game you are going to stick your nose up to arguably the greatest coach of all time. Bonkers!
100% with your last comment. After all these years of bottom dwellers you’d figured they would see the game a bit more fairly but clearly they’re drunk off their immediate success, which is cool. But they’ve been pretty damn toxic so I’m inclined to say fuck them, respectfully.
Ask lions fans they act like they’ve been so cool and cordial all year lol get real their fanbase have been cocky all year. One good season and they think we have an actual rivalry. Fuck them
Lions fans have been insufferable for the last two seasons. Never would have guessed that they had such an obnoxious and out of touch fanbase. At times it feels like Philly-lite.
why do you guys act like a few loud mouth losers are “all their fans”? the same embarrassing soft bullshit comes from vikings fans in the NFL threads too
It's just standard cry baby fan behavior. Like when Dobbs threw a completely normal pass over the middle that quarterbacks throw every game, but it was a little high and JJ hurt his back on the hit, so everyone here blamed Dobbs for throwing "hospital balls"
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Because people think every pass that the player gets hurt on a hospital pass but will ignore a worse pass because the player got up right away. The average fan is pure reactionary.
Bruh you are living in the Vikings community, don’t you have something better to do?😂 this shit is weird and it feels like you’re looking for affirmation from Vikings fans.
I am a Vikings fan. I just think it’s funny how people are trashing the lions when they’re better us. I also think it’s okay to think some teams have better coaches than us.
Looking at your comment history… sure doesn’t seem like you are man. No one is actually trashing the lions, they’re trashing an undisciplined player who has been playing dirty… are people trashing the city of Detroit and their fans? Sure, but I haven’t really seen people trashing on them.
It’s okay to say a player is dirty. There’s nothing wrong with that. The fact you’re defending it is weird..
Dan Campbell is a shit coach his decision making isn’t good. He’s carried by Ben Johnson and he’s literally given us multiple games the last couple years with pure idiotic decisions
Nah he's going to fizzle out. He dug his own grave by making "going for it in risky situations" his whole thing. One of these days he's going to blow a big game with one of those, and then later on he'll blow a game by being too conservative and everyone will say "well why didn't he just go for it, he's clearly second-guessing himself now."
lol this is such a dumb take. The lions love him, the league loves him. He has a young, really good Detroit team humming right now. One win from the NFCCG.
If he’s going to fizzle out for being aggressive, KOC is going to fizzle out for being too conservative.
This is honestly hilarious. Look at how well they’ve drafted in the last 3 years. You think that’s just going to stop? It’s been a clear progression from when Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes arrived. I know it’s upsetting at the prospect of being 4th in the division next season but that’s not an honest take.
If y’all haven’t seen - Stafford called him out in the game. ES*N has it on their IG. He tells Kerby that it’s a clean hit, but that he is dirty AF. And the world has film on it. I like Campbell but this is a real bad look.
Love how Campbell says he teaches his guys to keep their head up and says that’s how kerby hits. You watch the videos his eyes or on the turf. Fucking joke.
Watching the clip again it’s clear Kerby launched for the legs to trip him I’m guessing but destroyed his knee instead. If only other players got the QB treatment
Nah, when everyone is starting 6th round picks at WR the NFL will be forced to do something. The long play here it that the NFLPA is going to start seeing contracts being reduced and Veterans retiring prematurely. THEN they'll step in.
We'll see. But Kerby's hits were NOT per Dan Campbells description. When you got a coach from Bounty Gate defending a Dirty player. He's gonna make a bunch of shit up.
Knees are very important and the NFL should take it seriously like they try with the brain. I will say I don’t think it was intentional. It’s sucks TJ got hurt and I hope he comes back even better when he gets healthy
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Yeah I don't think the guy is trying to destroy their careers he is trying to get a stop.
And they been doing this forever, it's only a dirty play if a guy gets hurt.
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The league and their rules committee forced players to make these kind of tackles. They can’t go upstairs anymore for fear of targeting. So they go low.
It sucks that two guys got their knees blown up. But until the league decides to make some clear cut rules on what’s a clean tackle and what’s not, this will continue to happen.
If the NFL wants to make these hits and hip drop tackles illegal I am fine with that, but then they have to change other rules to help the defense. Maybe allow contact for more than 5 yards or tighten up the definition of pass interference. Just something otherwise defense will start becoming meaningless
I don’t think anybody, in any of the comments, are saying these are illegal hits dude. Where is this delusion of yours coming from? Just because it’s legal does not mean it isn’t DIRTY. Get it through your thick skull, you’re living in this community and fighting anyone who doesn’t defend a dirty play. It’s comical. It’s dirty. Period dude.
lol period because you said so. I disagree that the hit was dirty. It was how so so all dbs tackle TEs. But y’all wanna be emotional about everything g.
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Weird, other DBs, even ones smaller than Kerby do it pretty regularly. And when they go low they don't lead with their helmet while having their face in the turf, they wrap up.
Coming in face down with no attempt to wrap up any part of the ball carrier is literally illegal in all levels of football. Coming in with your head up and wrapping up the ball carrier is how you're taught to tackle from peewee up. You can go low but you need to still have proper tackling form.
Also the receivers lower their head frequently to brace for contact and the defender hits their helmet while aiming for the torso. Football is a violent game. People get hurt.
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Wow. First time I've seen this play. Totally undefendable. His helmet lowers. He is looking at the ground when he hits Higbee in the knee. Dan Campbell clearly did not watch or rewatch the play. What an incredibly disingenuous comment...
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Future hall of famer and former Lion Matthew Stafford: this is a dirty hit
NFL subreddit tough guys: ACTUALLY,
You don’t launch your crown at a player’s knees. This is what hawk/rugby tackling was popularized for. Maybe I’m expecting too much of random internet people to understand how leverage works.
I’m pi$$ed for TJ that he has to rehab from bush league sh like that. I’d be apoplectic if it was the difference between contending for a Super Bowl or not in any year.
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Why does everyone feel sorry for Lions fans anyway? They most likely are Michigan fans, Red Wing Fans, Pistons fans. All told their state and Detroit had had way more sports success than MN. I’m only talking from a sports angle.
https://imgur.com/a/R7ysRlX
This angle is even worse and if you watch the video he launches down and gets his body twisted, he's lucky he didn't injure himself. I'm not saying it's dirty, but it's definitely poor form. That's not thigh level and there's no head up.
Kerby is going to concuss himself doing this, and I'll cheer for that. He's a dirty fucker.
And those calling it a legal hit -- it's not.
The rulebook outlaws this.
>It is a foul if a player: lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or. uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent's head or neck.
Seems more like a league issue than a player issue. If a Viking was getting this accusation we'd be saying he's just following the rules and avoiding penalties. Spending weeks on the subject makes the sub look like it's full of crybabies.
That’s the thing. If Kirby Joesph was on the Vikings team I know for a 100% fact everyone would be in here defending it saying it’s a legal hit and it’s part of the rules. Because well uhhh… it is part of the rules. You do that type of hit for 3 reasons.
1. It’s football. You get hit hard and can get injured on any play.
2. That type of hit can lead to an incompletion or even a fumble, both important things,
3. If you can’t hit somebody up high or lead with the crown of your helmet your options of tackling somebody like a tight end or a super strong heavy TE are low. It’s not easy to tackle somebody that big. If Kerby tried to tackle him normally I guarantee the TE woulda probably broke the tackle and gained another 10+ yards.
The main point is, the Vikings injured Laporta but i never saw lions fans call the Vikings dirty? The rams did the exact same thing in the playoff game to laporta too, laporta just got lucky he didn’t get injured. There was an identical hit that a rams player did to laporta that kerby did.
Honestly idk why this sub suddenly turned into a bunch of victim crybabies, nobody’s waking up in the morning and telling themselves they want to send somebody to the hospital. It’s fucking football. You play to win the game, any legal way possible.
>If Kerby tried to tackle him normally I guarantee the TE woulda probably broke the tackle and gained another 10+ yards.
If Higbee had established possession, and was a runner, sure. But he was in the process of catching the ball with 100% of his attention on the ball and not defending himself. Completley vulnerable. We see DBs get going downhill like this and blow up guys in the flat regularly as the ball gets there. He was a sitting duck, and Joseph had his option of targets and chose to go low.
Again, if Higbee had possesion, and the opportunity to react to the hit, then I'd have no problem with it. It was dirty at worst and careless tackling at best.
NFL rulebook is over complicated as is, so this will stay legal but I don't like this hit at all. Feel terrible for Higbee.
I didn't defend Sendejo when he was a human Vikings missile and I wouldn't defend Kirby on the Vikings.
>The main point is, the Vikings injured Laporta but i never saw lions fans call the Vikings dirty?
They absolutely did.
Nobody is saying it’s an illegal hit. Go back through the comments and reread them. Then read them again. Then one more time. People are saying it’s dirty, because it is. A man torpedo launched himself into another man, with full intent on using the force of hit helmet. It’s dirty. That’s what it is. There’s no disputing that. Defending dirty/wrong actions just because they’re legal, is what’s wrong this country.
If dudes keep getting their knees blown up from dbs going low its just a matter of time before the league makes these hits illegal.
If the NHL can get rid of hip checks and have zero tolerance for knee hits, then the NFL can do it, too.
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I don't think then really can though. They made it so you have to go low because you can't hit high, so if they get rid of a good chunk of the area you can tackle then the defense is going to have a real narrow spot to hit that's not too high or low, especially if the ball carrier is leaning/hunched forward.
All im saying is that the NHL doesn't allow them to hit in the head, hip check, or hit the knees, and there are still plenty of hits. Smaller guys still hit bigger guys,and you can't wrap a guy up and tackle him in the NHL.
The NFL allows a defender to hit or tackle. All it takes is for a super star to have their knee blown up, and the media make a stink before these hits are illegal, and then they will have to either wrap the ball carrier up, or hit between the shoulders and thigh pads, which leaves plenty of options for a defender. The league will always try and make it look like they care about player safety because that effects money.
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FTL. That guy is going to end up like Ryan Shazier if he keeps tackling like that. I don't get how that's a legal tackle when the receiver is in a defenseless position. H̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶j̶u̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶w̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶T̶W̶O̶ ̶W̶E̶E̶K̶S̶ ̶I̶N̶ ̶A̶ ̶R̶O̶W̶.̶
For all of those parroting "DBs go low all the time", the issue isn't going low, it's his tackle attempts. He's not attempting to wrap up the legs, he's not coming in with his head up looking at what he's hitting. He's coming in head down like a missile diving at legs. That's not a tackle and is legitimately against the rules per the NFL.
Wasn’t he on season ending IR? You guys are taking this to the extreme don’t you think? Dirty or not, you guys having your world shattered over a coach defending his player is pretty weird.
You are all fucking pathetic. Holy shit, stop letting them live rent free in your head.
We had a bad season with bad luck injuries, love the fuck on and stop being petty little cry babies.
No one is pissed because the Vikings had a poor season😂 people are pissed when they see a player who is dirty. Same thing happened with suh, same thing with vontez burfict, fans of all teams. Dirty players aren’t good for the sport. Plain and simple.
People hate dirty plays, it’s as simple as that. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s not dirty. You can play the game and not be a dirty play. Lord knows 97% of nfl players have done it.
Right. All these dudes are just emotional because our guy got hurt. These 100% are legal tackles. Change the rules so this can’t happen if you don’t want dbs going low
I mean what would you actually like the defender to do there? Let the TE catch the ball unscathed? Go high and get flagged for a penalty? Both hits were very unfortunate but the rules of the game don’t give defenders much choice. In the case of Higbee, Stafford left him out to dry so he should be mad at him.
It’s awful but I’ve seen Harrison Smith make dozens of those kinds of get low, throw a shoulder, but don’t try to wrap up tackles. All safeties do that against larger receivers. In rugby tackling with your head down without arms wrapping the opponent is a foul. It would make the NFL safer if they enforced a form tackling rule.
FYI rugby law: A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp that player.
FWIW, Harrison Smith on twitter on the Hockenson play:
…”what would you recommend he do?
The rules have encouraged more hits like that from the DB position…most effective way to protect that area of the field without penalty… I don’t like it either”
It doesn’t make these hits “clean” but since they are enforcing penalties for high hits, players are told to go low. Blame the NFL. Don’t hate the player hate the game. Until the NFL reevaluates the rules, it’s not the last time you’ll see this happen.
Leading with the crown of his helmet at the knee. Even Campbell said in his defense of dirty kerby he's told to keep his head up and didn't (doesn't ever because he wants to cause injuries). Have you never heard of the torso btw?
Why are you trolling this sub? Go back to your own fucking sub. This is for Vikings fans and you're in the playoffs but you would rather troll here? That seems to be all you do is troll subs of teams you don't like. Get a life.
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The rams recent mic’d up video has stafford confronting joseph about the hit
And it’s great
At 4:45 in the video for all curious. Glad NFL players know how much of a scumbag Kerby is.
Link?
Commenting to hopefully come back later to see the link
I got you fam https://youtu.be/qH2VN4gpvdc?si=Fm5hiySB3rO7Ia0K
“That’s a good hit”
But when Winfield comes downhill and destroys LaPorta's knee on Sunday, I'm sure he'll be singing a different tune...
When the vikings last played the lions and they had several players nicked up, their fans on reddit were all crying calling the vikes dirty.
It's crazy what 1.5 years of decent football have done to that fanbase. I've always quite liked the Lions and felt a certain level of empathy and respect for the true Lions fans out there that were still supporting them through the dark years (ie the vast minority of the folks cheering them on this season). But man, one playoff win since the world wide web was invented and they're EVERYWHERE talking mad shit acting like they're the 2000s Pats, 90s Cowboys, or 80s 49ers. I always said I'd cheer for a the Lions if the Vikings were out and they had a chance but man these folks are making it tough.
I uses to figure that last part also. Now I'm cheering for Baker all the way! Just happens to mean I want the Bucs to win, but that isn't the important part. Baker getting a ring after the Browns gave up on him would be funny
I had a lions fan at work that said the other day, when chatting about the coaching situations all over the league, “personally, I wouldn’t hire Bill Belicheck”. We were all dumbfounded. They finally have some success and the delusion has already set in. Like MCDC is great, but you’re telling me because you finally won 1 playoff game you are going to stick your nose up to arguably the greatest coach of all time. Bonkers!
Old as hell, though, gotta admit.
The rest of the NFL agreed.
100% with your last comment. After all these years of bottom dwellers you’d figured they would see the game a bit more fairly but clearly they’re drunk off their immediate success, which is cool. But they’ve been pretty damn toxic so I’m inclined to say fuck them, respectfully.
Aren’t most lions fans UofM fans? I’m not surprised at all.
Ask lions fans they act like they’ve been so cool and cordial all year lol get real their fanbase have been cocky all year. One good season and they think we have an actual rivalry. Fuck them
big agree
Lions fans have been insufferable for the last two seasons. Never would have guessed that they had such an obnoxious and out of touch fanbase. At times it feels like Philly-lite.
It's like Bruins fans who think Marchand is the poster boy for clean play in the NHL lol
why do you guys act like a few loud mouth losers are “all their fans”? the same embarrassing soft bullshit comes from vikings fans in the NFL threads too
It's just standard cry baby fan behavior. Like when Dobbs threw a completely normal pass over the middle that quarterbacks throw every game, but it was a little high and JJ hurt his back on the hit, so everyone here blamed Dobbs for throwing "hospital balls"
Are you a real sports fan if you aren't at least a little hypocritical?
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Is Laporta playing ?
He played last week. I believe he scored the first touchdown.
Damn I missed the pre game. After seeing the hit I can’t believe he played!
I was amazed he wasn’t out for the year
3rd TD on 4th and goal from 2
Damn good for him
Time for Baker Mayfied to become a hero
This
Raised in the culture of Sean Payton. Apple does not fall far from the tree, Dan
I thought you were talking about Eli Apple, lol. I'm a little tired
Dan Campbell can’t trick us with the ra ra attitude, he’s still a Payton disciple
100%
Wild too that people are calling this a hospital pass
Because people think every pass that the player gets hurt on a hospital pass but will ignore a worse pass because the player got up right away. The average fan is pure reactionary.
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Dan Campbell is a fucking turd.
Dan Campbell > KOC
Bruh you are living in the Vikings community, don’t you have something better to do?😂 this shit is weird and it feels like you’re looking for affirmation from Vikings fans.
I am a Vikings fan. I just think it’s funny how people are trashing the lions when they’re better us. I also think it’s okay to think some teams have better coaches than us.
Looking at your comment history… sure doesn’t seem like you are man. No one is actually trashing the lions, they’re trashing an undisciplined player who has been playing dirty… are people trashing the city of Detroit and their fans? Sure, but I haven’t really seen people trashing on them. It’s okay to say a player is dirty. There’s nothing wrong with that. The fact you’re defending it is weird..
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But Kirk isn’t healthy. That’s why I said better than us.
He coached Goff better than to have a non contact freak accident is your point?
You have to admit we suck. And also we are the vikings and also we suck. The Detroit Lions own us and we should all bow to them.
Dan Campbell is a shit coach his decision making isn’t good. He’s carried by Ben Johnson and he’s literally given us multiple games the last couple years with pure idiotic decisions
Nah he's going to fizzle out. He dug his own grave by making "going for it in risky situations" his whole thing. One of these days he's going to blow a big game with one of those, and then later on he'll blow a game by being too conservative and everyone will say "well why didn't he just go for it, he's clearly second-guessing himself now."
lol this is such a dumb take. The lions love him, the league loves him. He has a young, really good Detroit team humming right now. One win from the NFCCG. If he’s going to fizzle out for being aggressive, KOC is going to fizzle out for being too conservative.
Flash in the pan year for Detroit. They'll be chasing the high of this season for the next 20 years of mediocrity
This is honestly hilarious. Look at how well they’ve drafted in the last 3 years. You think that’s just going to stop? It’s been a clear progression from when Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes arrived. I know it’s upsetting at the prospect of being 4th in the division next season but that’s not an honest take.
Man just let me mope lol of course it's not an honest take
Haha appreciate the honesty. Mope away.
Anyone who says, “lol this is such a dumb take.” I personally cannot take even remotely seriously
Lmao Dan Campbell gets carried by Ben johnson
BJ > KOC lol
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Idk why you're getting downvoted. I would prefer to have Campbell than KOC. There's a lot of cope in these replies to you.
If y’all haven’t seen - Stafford called him out in the game. ES*N has it on their IG. He tells Kerby that it’s a clean hit, but that he is dirty AF. And the world has film on it. I like Campbell but this is a real bad look.
Stafford didn't call it a clean hit, he said "good hit"
You gotta link? I couldn't find it on their IG
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2PplODrG8C/?igsh=dWkyeHlkZnR4ZTQ4
Love how Campbell says he teaches his guys to keep their head up and says that’s how kerby hits. You watch the videos his eyes or on the turf. Fucking joke.
Isn’t Dan Campbell a former Tight End?
Watching the clip again it’s clear Kerby launched for the legs to trip him I’m guessing but destroyed his knee instead. If only other players got the QB treatment
It'll take this happening to Mahomes, Lamar, or Josh Allen for them to reevaluate.
Nah, when everyone is starting 6th round picks at WR the NFL will be forced to do something. The long play here it that the NFLPA is going to start seeing contracts being reduced and Veterans retiring prematurely. THEN they'll step in. We'll see. But Kerby's hits were NOT per Dan Campbells description. When you got a coach from Bounty Gate defending a Dirty player. He's gonna make a bunch of shit up.
Knees are very important and the NFL should take it seriously like they try with the brain. I will say I don’t think it was intentional. It’s sucks TJ got hurt and I hope he comes back even better when he gets healthy
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Most effective would be it happening to Travis Kelce
Yeah I don't think the guy is trying to destroy their careers he is trying to get a stop. And they been doing this forever, it's only a dirty play if a guy gets hurt.
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The league and their rules committee forced players to make these kind of tackles. They can’t go upstairs anymore for fear of targeting. So they go low. It sucks that two guys got their knees blown up. But until the league decides to make some clear cut rules on what’s a clean tackle and what’s not, this will continue to happen.
People forget that TEs have usually 50 lbs on defensive backs. Back in the day taking out the knees was the ONLY way to take down Gronk.
Yeah these are legal hits. People are only mad because TJ got hurt.
If the NFL wants to make these hits and hip drop tackles illegal I am fine with that, but then they have to change other rules to help the defense. Maybe allow contact for more than 5 yards or tighten up the definition of pass interference. Just something otherwise defense will start becoming meaningless
I don’t think anybody, in any of the comments, are saying these are illegal hits dude. Where is this delusion of yours coming from? Just because it’s legal does not mean it isn’t DIRTY. Get it through your thick skull, you’re living in this community and fighting anyone who doesn’t defend a dirty play. It’s comical. It’s dirty. Period dude.
lol period because you said so. I disagree that the hit was dirty. It was how so so all dbs tackle TEs. But y’all wanna be emotional about everything g.
In what way was the hit not dirty? All dbs do NOT lead with the crown of their helmet into a players knees, this is unequivocally false man.
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No. It is not even remotely close to a good form tackle. Kerby's head is down and there's zero attempt to wrap up.
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Head or knee. Human bodies have no other parts I guess
Do you think a db is going to try and tackle a TE at his mid section? He would get trucked every time. This is the nfls fault.
Weird, other DBs, even ones smaller than Kerby do it pretty regularly. And when they go low they don't lead with their helmet while having their face in the turf, they wrap up. Coming in face down with no attempt to wrap up any part of the ball carrier is literally illegal in all levels of football. Coming in with your head up and wrapping up the ball carrier is how you're taught to tackle from peewee up. You can go low but you need to still have proper tackling form.
Also the receivers lower their head frequently to brace for contact and the defender hits their helmet while aiming for the torso. Football is a violent game. People get hurt.
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Wow. First time I've seen this play. Totally undefendable. His helmet lowers. He is looking at the ground when he hits Higbee in the knee. Dan Campbell clearly did not watch or rewatch the play. What an incredibly disingenuous comment...
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Future hall of famer and former Lion Matthew Stafford: this is a dirty hit NFL subreddit tough guys: ACTUALLY, You don’t launch your crown at a player’s knees. This is what hawk/rugby tackling was popularized for. Maybe I’m expecting too much of random internet people to understand how leverage works. I’m pi$$ed for TJ that he has to rehab from bush league sh like that. I’d be apoplectic if it was the difference between contending for a Super Bowl or not in any year.
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Why does everyone feel sorry for Lions fans anyway? They most likely are Michigan fans, Red Wing Fans, Pistons fans. All told their state and Detroit had had way more sports success than MN. I’m only talking from a sports angle.
"Just keep your head up, see what you hit" https://imgur.com/a/27nftCc Fuck you and your dirty ass team, Dan.
https://imgur.com/a/R7ysRlX This angle is even worse and if you watch the video he launches down and gets his body twisted, he's lucky he didn't injure himself. I'm not saying it's dirty, but it's definitely poor form. That's not thigh level and there's no head up.
Kerby is going to concuss himself doing this, and I'll cheer for that. He's a dirty fucker. And those calling it a legal hit -- it's not. The rulebook outlaws this. >It is a foul if a player: lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or. uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent's head or neck.
Seems more like a league issue than a player issue. If a Viking was getting this accusation we'd be saying he's just following the rules and avoiding penalties. Spending weeks on the subject makes the sub look like it's full of crybabies.
Exactly. Dbs have to go low. It happens every single game.
That’s the thing. If Kirby Joesph was on the Vikings team I know for a 100% fact everyone would be in here defending it saying it’s a legal hit and it’s part of the rules. Because well uhhh… it is part of the rules. You do that type of hit for 3 reasons. 1. It’s football. You get hit hard and can get injured on any play. 2. That type of hit can lead to an incompletion or even a fumble, both important things, 3. If you can’t hit somebody up high or lead with the crown of your helmet your options of tackling somebody like a tight end or a super strong heavy TE are low. It’s not easy to tackle somebody that big. If Kerby tried to tackle him normally I guarantee the TE woulda probably broke the tackle and gained another 10+ yards. The main point is, the Vikings injured Laporta but i never saw lions fans call the Vikings dirty? The rams did the exact same thing in the playoff game to laporta too, laporta just got lucky he didn’t get injured. There was an identical hit that a rams player did to laporta that kerby did. Honestly idk why this sub suddenly turned into a bunch of victim crybabies, nobody’s waking up in the morning and telling themselves they want to send somebody to the hospital. It’s fucking football. You play to win the game, any legal way possible.
>If Kerby tried to tackle him normally I guarantee the TE woulda probably broke the tackle and gained another 10+ yards. If Higbee had established possession, and was a runner, sure. But he was in the process of catching the ball with 100% of his attention on the ball and not defending himself. Completley vulnerable. We see DBs get going downhill like this and blow up guys in the flat regularly as the ball gets there. He was a sitting duck, and Joseph had his option of targets and chose to go low. Again, if Higbee had possesion, and the opportunity to react to the hit, then I'd have no problem with it. It was dirty at worst and careless tackling at best. NFL rulebook is over complicated as is, so this will stay legal but I don't like this hit at all. Feel terrible for Higbee.
I didn't defend Sendejo when he was a human Vikings missile and I wouldn't defend Kirby on the Vikings. >The main point is, the Vikings injured Laporta but i never saw lions fans call the Vikings dirty? They absolutely did.
Nobody is saying it’s an illegal hit. Go back through the comments and reread them. Then read them again. Then one more time. People are saying it’s dirty, because it is. A man torpedo launched himself into another man, with full intent on using the force of hit helmet. It’s dirty. That’s what it is. There’s no disputing that. Defending dirty/wrong actions just because they’re legal, is what’s wrong this country.
If dudes keep getting their knees blown up from dbs going low its just a matter of time before the league makes these hits illegal. If the NHL can get rid of hip checks and have zero tolerance for knee hits, then the NFL can do it, too.
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I don't think then really can though. They made it so you have to go low because you can't hit high, so if they get rid of a good chunk of the area you can tackle then the defense is going to have a real narrow spot to hit that's not too high or low, especially if the ball carrier is leaning/hunched forward.
All im saying is that the NHL doesn't allow them to hit in the head, hip check, or hit the knees, and there are still plenty of hits. Smaller guys still hit bigger guys,and you can't wrap a guy up and tackle him in the NHL. The NFL allows a defender to hit or tackle. All it takes is for a super star to have their knee blown up, and the media make a stink before these hits are illegal, and then they will have to either wrap the ball carrier up, or hit between the shoulders and thigh pads, which leaves plenty of options for a defender. The league will always try and make it look like they care about player safety because that effects money.
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FTL. That guy is going to end up like Ryan Shazier if he keeps tackling like that. I don't get how that's a legal tackle when the receiver is in a defenseless position. H̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶g̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶j̶u̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶w̶o̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶T̶W̶O̶ ̶W̶E̶E̶K̶S̶ ̶I̶N̶ ̶A̶ ̶R̶O̶W̶.̶
Week 16 and week 19 assuming you're talking about Hock and Higbee. Not "literally" two weeks in a row.
Ope my bad i got the last game confused. We just got beat badly on that game. BUT STILL!
Dopey drunk defends dirty dipshit.
For all of those parroting "DBs go low all the time", the issue isn't going low, it's his tackle attempts. He's not attempting to wrap up the legs, he's not coming in with his head up looking at what he's hitting. He's coming in head down like a missile diving at legs. That's not a tackle and is legitimately against the rules per the NFL.
Dan Campbell was on the 2009 Saints roster, those hits are on brand for him
Wasn’t he on season ending IR? You guys are taking this to the extreme don’t you think? Dirty or not, you guys having your world shattered over a coach defending his player is pretty weird.
Ofc Dumbass Dan Campbell would defend this. Fuck him kerby joseph and cjgj bumasses
Man this sub smell like pussy
You are all fucking pathetic. Holy shit, stop letting them live rent free in your head. We had a bad season with bad luck injuries, love the fuck on and stop being petty little cry babies.
No one is pissed because the Vikings had a poor season😂 people are pissed when they see a player who is dirty. Same thing happened with suh, same thing with vontez burfict, fans of all teams. Dirty players aren’t good for the sport. Plain and simple.
This sub is so insufferable
Y'all hate legal tackles lmao
You have to live in shithole Detroit, lmao
People hate dirty plays, it’s as simple as that. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t mean it’s not dirty. You can play the game and not be a dirty play. Lord knows 97% of nfl players have done it.
Right. All these dudes are just emotional because our guy got hurt. These 100% are legal tackles. Change the rules so this can’t happen if you don’t want dbs going low
I mean what would you actually like the defender to do there? Let the TE catch the ball unscathed? Go high and get flagged for a penalty? Both hits were very unfortunate but the rules of the game don’t give defenders much choice. In the case of Higbee, Stafford left him out to dry so he should be mad at him.
It’s awful but I’ve seen Harrison Smith make dozens of those kinds of get low, throw a shoulder, but don’t try to wrap up tackles. All safeties do that against larger receivers. In rugby tackling with your head down without arms wrapping the opponent is a foul. It would make the NFL safer if they enforced a form tackling rule. FYI rugby law: A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp that player.
Hate tell you guys, but he's the head coach. He's not going to throw his guy under the bus, regardless of what he actually thinks about it...
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I mean.. Harrison Smith himself basically said that the way the NFL is now, this is how DB's are starting to tackle.
He never kept his head up. Led with the crown of his helmet.
FWIW, Harrison Smith on twitter on the Hockenson play: …”what would you recommend he do? The rules have encouraged more hits like that from the DB position…most effective way to protect that area of the field without penalty… I don’t like it either”
It doesn’t make these hits “clean” but since they are enforcing penalties for high hits, players are told to go low. Blame the NFL. Don’t hate the player hate the game. Until the NFL reevaluates the rules, it’s not the last time you’ll see this happen.
Leading with the crown of his helmet at the knee. Even Campbell said in his defense of dirty kerby he's told to keep his head up and didn't (doesn't ever because he wants to cause injuries). Have you never heard of the torso btw? Why are you trolling this sub? Go back to your own fucking sub. This is for Vikings fans and you're in the playoffs but you would rather troll here? That seems to be all you do is troll subs of teams you don't like. Get a life.
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