The ktm 1290 adv S is insane on the road, the suspension is constantly adjusting to your riding/what you are carrying, it is insanely sharp.
I have the adv R wich doesnt have the electronic suspension and it's still a really good bike on road but my dad's adv S handling on pavement is insane, add the powerparta comfort seat and a big ass puig windshield and you could ride for 12h a day for a week and still be comfy
Yup, my buddy is a tuner and gets to either buy the newest bikes or ride customers’ bikes. The SA is one of the new bikes he actually consistently praises.
Get the 1290S you won't be disapointed! It makes the most power out of the bunch for less/same weight, the big v-twin push out 160hp with torque for days.
Don't let haters make you question getting a ktm because of reliability, the 1290 adventure platform has been around for a long time and they are solid, they make the same enine push 25 more hp on the 1290 superdukes R
KTM has a very unethical and corrupt leadership, it is known in Austria what kind of guy Pierer is. He frauded Millions of Tax Money. Just something that makes me never consider a KTM. I also don‘t like the styling very much although their EXC Dirtbikes look gorgeous.
Seconding the KTM 1290 SAS recommendation. I love mine, it’s a 2018 model and the newer ones have even better electronics and rider aids. Simply fabulous on road. I haven’t had a chance to do much off-roading on mine yet; looking forward to some BDR rides soon.
Also if you're actually looking at long distance adventure, it's the type of bike you'll find spare parts for everywhere. No waiting 4 weeks for a part if you're in Mongolia, Nigeria, or Chile, like with other brands such as BMW or KTM
But if you're above-average height, it's not a very comfortable bike for long hours in the saddle. I had the first gen 650, I loved that bike for so many reasons. But the ergos were cramped for me, and after a few hours on asphalt I would start to feel miserable.
I own 2024 tiger 900 gt pro and owned 2021 gt pro. I haven’t had a single problem with either bike. It’s definitely a great all rounder without being great at any one thing. The Tiger is the right blend of fit and finish, price, HP and versatility for me.
Versys 1000. Just keep going all day at whatever speed you like and it will just keep singing its song.
Great stock seat. Plush suspension. Sucks on moderately bad roads. But if you have great Tarmac you would love it.
A little biased, but the big GS bikes are super competent and comfy touring bikes that can tear up back roads and handle all but the worst off road terrain.
Yeah they are almost twice as expensive, but definitely not twice the bike. That being said, I have one (a 2016), that I wouldn't trade for anything else. Second hand, it's a bit more reasonable.
I just spent Friday to Tuesday blasting around Catalonia on a GS and I can confirm that thing eats up miles like a fat chick eats cake.
I will however caveat my experience by including my thoughts on the soul and enjoyment of riding that bike. There is no soul, and whilst enjoyable, I've ridden much more fun bikes in the same realm/class/genre as the BMW GS.
So true -- I was riding a Panigale and 1250 GSA at the same time and I found it so fun to lug the GS after years of fighting low RPMs. The new cams make the GS an absolute blast through the whole rev range. Just as usable at 5pmh as it is at 90 mph
While I can't really quantify "soul" in any objective way, it's an extremely fun bike when you're familiar with it's capabilities and are comfortable pushing those limits.
Perhaps 4 days isn't enough to get comfortable pushing the limits of the machine. Although I cruised, I wheelied, I sped and I "off-roaded" in that time. I'm not sure what else I could have done and I'd given it the same chance I've given dozens of other bikes. Perhaps the expectations were too high, but if I could describe it in anyway, it would be "smooth but lifeless".
I think what people mean by "no soul" is the machine just does exactly what you tell it to do, and nothing you don't. I call that good design.
"soul" to me is like how the Moto Guzzi bikes have a dry clutch and jerk to the side when you rev them because of the transverse V-twin engine arrangement. And how my Aprilia V4 sounds like an absolute bucket of bolts under 4000 RPM and the strange noises that a straight-cut gearbox makes legitimately sounds broken.... Just for the thing to absolutely *sing* when you get on the throttle. lol
I think you might be onto something there. I guess you could say all bikes interpret the road (or whatever surface you're riding on) in a certain way, whereas the GS gives little interpretation. It just delivered.
Top Gear had an episode with a premise that the vehicles that make you truly love them have to have quirks. If it’s all sorted and serious, there’s not something odd, surprising, or broken for the human heart to love
I agree with this wholeheartedly. My 09 GS jerks when you rev due to the boxer, the gear box is loud and clunky, but it is so damn fun to ride. The newer models are definitely more refined. Hands down when I walk out to the garage to ride I always find myself wanting to jump on the GS.
I would go with anything Vstrom. I have a 650 and my next one is 99% going to be a 1050 but I wouldn't be sleeping over the new 800 either. If you want a sportier bike the triumph tigers are well regarded. A more relaxed I would probably pick the Africa twin DCT. I personally wouldn't recommend the GS because of it's high maintenance costs. Most of the other bikes wouldn't be as comfortable on the road tbh.
Here’s another +1 for the VStrom assuming the latest models are as solid as my old one. I had a new ‘04 DL1000 that I rode as my all-arounder: commuting, groceries, day trips, x-country w/ some 12-hour days. Put 40k or so miles on it. Rode 85% asphalt, but I felt comfortable anytime I traveled a dirt road. Plenty of gitup at low-speed and highway… it just hummed along at 80mph. I upgraded it a bit… replaced the stock fork springs with progressives for more stability, tires for a bit more dirt grip, a touring saddle, touring wind screen, and up-and-back bar risers for a comfortable ergonomically neutral/upright riding position (I’m 6’ tall). Added an engine guard and forward foot pegs to stretch. Rigged a simple velcro throttle lock which was sufficient on long runs. Loved that bike (let it go for practical needs at the time). Never any mechanical issues beyond scheduled maintenance. I’d get another, but I have to say I’m surprised at how much more expensive ‘24 model is compared to my ‘04 which I think I bought for about $6,900 w/ factory luggage. But before I get another anything, I’ll certainly check out all of the other bikes currently on the market — so many more great options these days… Honda, KYM, Yamaha. I’ve always loved the big GS as well, but as I’m getting older, the weight of the bike is definitely more of a factor because I ride solo a lot and want something that I’ll be able to easily lift on my own if I end up tipped over on a forest service road somewhere.
I love my Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer. I know it's not on your list but it's great on-road bike. Loads of power and handles like a dream.
The 850 and 900 variants are great too. And cheaper.
There's a reason you see a lot of Iron Butt riders on the 1250GS. Excellent touring bike and very capable on-road.
I'm extremely partial (and probably a little biased) to the Pan America for the same reasons - a bike that excels in canyons, interstate, and commuting. Truth be told, any competent ADV should have zero issues tackling pavement and gravel, so you could probably pick any one of those bikes and be happy.
Both GS and PanAm come with cruise control from the factory which is pretty dang great if you're looking for something to tour on.
I’ve been lusting after a GS for a long time, but recently ended up getting a DCT Goldwing. I’m thoroughly in love with that transmission. Now, I think I’ll get a DCT Africa Twin instead of a GS at some point.
I had listened to interview with somebody from Honda talking about how they programmed the shift points, and it was very cool! If I remember correctly, they had some top riders on a manual version with tons of sensors to measure how they were shifting, and then put those riders through the ringer as far as terrain and situations so that they could teach the DCT bike to ride like a pro essentially
Been on a CRF1100L Africa Twin with DCT, an R1300GS as well as the G310GS I've owned and the F900GSA I currently have, and I can tell you that the GS is better in every way except for maintenance costs. It's more enjoyable, comfortable and loaded with features.
It's understandable if you still want DCT though. But if you can wait, iirc the R1300GS is getting Automated Shift Assist (ASA) starting with 2025 models; it basically acts as a tiptronic transmission when you want it to and keeps the gear shift peg when you want to take control of shifting, but the bike will come without a clutch lever.
Hey, I already have a KTM and haven’t had any issues at all… beside random leaks and parts trying to fall of as bolts and screws work their way out lol. Still love it!
Of course. The point of a bike like the GS isn't to be a 10/10 perfect bike for the highway, the twisties and the dirt. There are cheaper bikes that are better in each category. But how does that help you when you're traveling two hours on the highway to reach the twisty mountain road that leads to your favorite off-road trail at the top? A bike that does nothing perfectly but everything pretty damn well has it's place.
I was pretty unhappy with my 2022 KTM Adventure 890 on road. It was twitchy and uncomfortable. Too much of a dirtbike frame to fit a comfy seat. So much happier with my VStrom 1000.
The one you don't have listed, and has been widely regarded as being the best all-around bike: Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro.
...I may be slightly biased, though.
I have a Vitpilen 401 already so it’s tempting to extend my husky family! What should I know that the marketing materials miss or don’t emphasize enough?
I have a 2022 Husqvarna Norden 901 with 37,000 km, I am 1.73m tall and it is a very comfortable motorcycle for traveling alone or with pato on road and occasionally off road. Its torque is exceptional, it has all the electronic aids and is very maneuverable. BTW I had the Svartpilen 200 and lovit
Couldn't tell ya anything negative. I've freakin loved the bike. On the highway at 80 with the standard wind screen - the wind gets a bit crazy (as expected) - I put on a touring screen and all is well with the world.
I'm 6'0". Changing the wind screen took about 3 minutes including opening the box of the new screen.
I got the mid-sized touring screen from Parabellum. It's almost too good at blocking the wind, but great on the highway.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around why adv bikes out of no where have exploded in popularity when they’ve been around for a long time.
The only adv bike I knew of off the top of my head prior to the explosion of their popularity was the Suzuki vstrom. I feel like that bike isn’t recommended a whole lot around here.
This is coming from a sportbike only rider who’s getting a little older and interested in more comfort and is intrigued by the adv rise in popularity.
I was originally going to go the sport touring route due to my background and riding style but there’s literally only two bikes on the market that are sport tourers. Adv bikes on the other hand, insane amount of options on the market.
For pure asphalt and some minor off-road, my suggestion is actually going to be a Honda NC750X. You literally cannot get a better on-road high mileage bike. DCT for pain free riding, mega gas mileage, and the maintenance routine can be done with like 1 screwdriver.
I'm seeing a high number of 1200cc bike suggestions, but those're dumb. You don't need more than 600cc of power for on/off road. I don't really get those.
If the Honda doesn't do it, then any of the 600+ ADV bikes from big names will do you fine - Vstrom 650, Tiger 850, F750GS, Versys 650, etc.
I commute on a Tiger 850, I quite like it. I'd avoid KTM, the on again off again engine problems and other QC issues plus the 'pay extra for a digital unlock of features already on your bike' are a hard no-go for me.
Does everything reasonably well, strong and under-stressed motor is reliable pulls like a tractor in 1st/2nd, with shaft drive for half the price of a kitted Beemer.
Came here to say this. Economical , price wise, reliable and always puts a smile on my face. I’ve had multiple 6-8 hour days in the saddle, very comfortable with a seat upgrade.
Just got a 2013 Super Tenere. Compared to my Yamaha FJ-09, the comfort is night and day. It took me a couple rides to get used to the weight, but I love the bike.
As far as I've ever heard it might genuinely be the most reliable motorcycle ever made, or at least very high on that list alongside some shaft drive Hondas
Tenere 700 is actually quite comfortable but you need to invest in a touring seat and make some mods to the windscreen based on your height. Otherwise it's super flickable while driving over the alpine roads, even with 3 hard cases and a tankbag on. Then again, if I would be in my 60's with weak knees and a soar back, I'd get a GS, just sit on one and you get it.
I sat on it two days ago at my dealer. Man is this bike tall! With my 31' inseam I could barely get it from the side stand. After that I tried Aprilia Tuareg 660 and it's much more managable for me. Probably because it's not so top heavy.
You left out the obvious choice- Tiger 900 GT. 19” front wheel can handle plenty of obstacles and handles great on road. Triple engine with plenty of torque and fun to rev. Has all the gadgets you would want out of a modern bike and it’s certainly a middleweight. Try one.
Yeah not many people talking about the Tigers, but with that smooth 3 cylinder having the best balance of torque across the rev range, it's very hard to beat for primarily on-road. If it was me, I'd get the Tiger 900 GT for the best of all worlds.
I never understood street tires on adv bikes. Knobs are perfectly fine on pavement or asphalt but street tires suck hard off road. Going moto mode with slicks on a dirt bike in the city is freaking sweet ass sweet but street tires on adv bikes just don’t or else you won’t have much of an adventure!
For thrills and giggles, go with the 1290 but it has HUGE reliability issues. A friend of mine had one and it had to be towed to the dealer after 3 weeks. Look-up on the web for reliability issues and recalls.
For dependability and not-so-perfect roads (*a.k.a. US roads*), go with the Tenere. That thing is such a good allrounder. The Tuareg is similar with more character but less longevity (the Yamaha will still work after 20 years).
The Norden, yeah it looks cool but I lived with one for 10 days. It is a niche product and more targeted for dirt roads. I wouldn't chose it.
Similarly, the Honda AT, I don't think it separates itself from the competition. There is the DCT transmission, if that's what you are interested in. And it also have the Apple Car Play, which is brilliant by the way. I wish all bikes had that.
The overall winner is the 13GS. I also toured in it for 10 days. Brilliant bike, very powerful, mountains of torque, electronic suspension, the magic of telelever, shaft-drive, good range etc. The only downside is the price, I presume. But in my opinion, it is worth every penny.
The best Adventure bike is the one YOu can take adventures with. What those adventures look like for you may be totally different than what the next person wants. Some people will never go more than a couple hundred miles from home while others will travel across continents.
Its like the "Overlanding" community of the 2 wheel world.
Just ride a bike suitable for the trips you want to take. Reliability and a skilled rider will do more than having all the fancy pants crap and the strongest, biggest or fastest bike.
Here in the states I have a Africa Twin. In Nicaragua I have a Nc700x and a Genesis 250 off road bike. They all work just fine and have had them all on road and off road. Just take different levels of risk with each one. Or choose different routes.
Mostly road ADV, triumph tiger 900. It’s got the triple engine and since you’re on the asphalt, you don’t need good reliability because you can just get a tow easily. Not as honky as the big GS.
My Multistrada Pikes Peak is the best road touring (with massive performance) I’ve ever ridden.
I’ve done multiple consecutive 1,000mile days, and it can keep up with the sport bikes in the canyons.
See the late Carlin Dunne’s win at Pikes Peak on a virtually stock version for reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSPs7PDQtI
I just finished a 2.8k km trip on a 2023 model Africa Twin (with DCS) and it was great. Stayed on the roads (was a rental bike).
Overall amazing experience, one thing I’d change is the seat. It’s bloody wooden.
Haven't ridden any of the other big ADVs but my dad has a DCT Africa Twin and man is it smooth. Incredibly comfortable bike and handles well. I've never done any off road riding more than manicured dirt roads, gravel roads, etc, but it just feels like I wouldn't want something so big for anything harsher than that. That's just me though. Fantastic for touring and the more manicured off road trails and roads.
Rode 9000 km with africa twin for 3 weeks, in a hot climate on road with lots of twists and turns last summer.. came off the bike everyday without a single complaint .. plus it has apple car play which world like a charm .
I’m on my 4th GS Adventure. There’s just nothing else quite like it, a lot of bikes have certain things they can do better but I’ve yet to experience the same all around ability, comfort, and durability on another bike. Maintenance cost is relative, of course.
I’ve ridden the Ténéré 700 and the Aprilia Tuareg 660 both are good bikes but if I have to decide between those two I think I’d Tage the Aprilia it has much more comfort than the Ténéré.
I’ve heard great things about the Honda Safari. I rode a Yamaha TW200 for quite a few years but I was primarily off-road. That Harley looks cool but I have no idea how they ride. I rode the smaller ones because they are more agile getting through the woods and the fat tires made a huge difference at times.
If money is no object, the Ducati Mulstistrada V4 Rally. I use to ride a R1250 GSA and switched to the Rally. Never looked back. I now own two. One on each coast as I travel between homes on each a lot. I also have a KTM 890 Adventure R. That is a dirt bike that you can do reasonable miles on. Not a the other way around. I think the Aprilia Tuareg 660 would be great for a mid.
Why are ADV bikes so huge with big engines? I mean, I'm not that tall at 5' 9" but I'm 210 lbs and my RS125 was comfortable for 5 hours down the highway and even with 2 carry-on sized bags strapped to it could still hit speeds considered racing that would cost me my license.
Now the tiny 2 stroke engine doesn't love that but it seems going up slightly would be fine. Can't see the need for 2-3x the weight and 10x the engine size.
I haven’t ridden all of them, but the GS is fantastic. 1200 and prior were a bit slow tbh, but 1250 and 1300 are just fast enough for me, handle well, and are just pleasant to ride with good comfort and ergonomics (as long as the boxer engine bits sticking out doesn’t bother you)
Alternatively, also in the BMW lineup, the S1000XR is awesome. It feels lighter and faster, but definitely less off road capable so idk if people even call it ADV. Any bike can go on a bit of gravel though with the right tires and caution not to bottom out.
Any GS platform from my experience.; super comfy and loaded with features. I currently own an F900GSA. You can also consider the S1000XR if you want more adrenaline.
I know people who have driven V-Stroms and Africa Twins before (I've also personally ridden a CRF1100L), and they said the GS bikes are ahead of them. But it depends on your budget and the Japanese counterparts are still quite good. If you can't go for a European bike try the Kawasaki Versys in my opinion.
I wish adv bikes were just a smidge cheaper. Most of the used bikes I’m seeing locally are a lot of older Rebel 250s for some reason and clapped out Ninjas.
Any idea of where I should look for an ADV bike that won’t cost an arm and a leg? I have about $5k I can part with for a new bike.
If not, I’ll be patient and keep saving.
Love my R1200GS LC that I bought used. The '13-'16 year model prices are dropping quite a bit now. I don't understand why people think they're expensive to maintain. Just DIY and avoid the dealership labor fees.
I bought a 23 1250GS with the intent of some very light off-road (western fire roads). Granted, it’s only 11 months old, but I now have zero desire to go fling gravel, rocks, and sand on a new bike. The bike is phenomenal on the road, and I enjoy keeping it shiny and clean. While I wouldn’t trade it, a 1250RT “probably” would have been a better choice. Just food for thought before you sling your new $26k GS down a gravel road…have fun!
Versys 1000 SE. The difference in price is negligible after you drove the electronic suspension. 3 different suspension settings and 3 preoload settings you can change while you ride.
You want some fun in the twisties, you change to Sport, you want some normal normal riding on normal roads, change it to roads. If it’s rains or if the pavement should have been repaired last year, change it to rain and most bumps will not bother you.
Beside the suspension you get some extras like the lights that light up the curves. Really great for the late night or early morning drives.
And the engine has enough power for everything. I only miss the character that the 2 cylinder bikes have.
My honda grom is great for racking up miles while being extremely fuel efficient, and i've definitely taken it offroad before. Definitely an adventure bike.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Yamaha Tenere 900. That's all that was missing from the 700. Which is a fantastic bike but needed a little more umf for longer rides on the road.
CRF300 Rally or a Tuareg 660.
People forget weight kills alot of you fun in trails, plus touring on an overpriced ADV is trash, just buy a touring oriented motorcycle.
I’m not saying it’s the best because I don’t know. But I would recommend a ride or two on a Pan America. I have never enjoyed riding a bike as much as this thing. 300 miles in 2 days.
I have a Tenere. I like it. The one in your picture is the Canadian edition which is INSANELY disappointing that it doesn’t come with heated grips. Come on, Yamaha
The ktm 1290 adv S is insane on the road, the suspension is constantly adjusting to your riding/what you are carrying, it is insanely sharp. I have the adv R wich doesnt have the electronic suspension and it's still a really good bike on road but my dad's adv S handling on pavement is insane, add the powerparta comfort seat and a big ass puig windshield and you could ride for 12h a day for a week and still be comfy
Yup, my buddy is a tuner and gets to either buy the newest bikes or ride customers’ bikes. The SA is one of the new bikes he actually consistently praises.
Part of me was definitely hoping people would say one of the KTMs!
Get the 1290S you won't be disapointed! It makes the most power out of the bunch for less/same weight, the big v-twin push out 160hp with torque for days. Don't let haters make you question getting a ktm because of reliability, the 1290 adventure platform has been around for a long time and they are solid, they make the same enine push 25 more hp on the 1290 superdukes R
Just make sure you have a spare fuel pump handy. Unfortunately that's a "when" not an "if" thing. 😬
Around how many kms do they fail? I have been warned of this before but it's no big deal to swap, i might order one soon, im at 23 000km
KTM has a very unethical and corrupt leadership, it is known in Austria what kind of guy Pierer is. He frauded Millions of Tax Money. Just something that makes me never consider a KTM. I also don‘t like the styling very much although their EXC Dirtbikes look gorgeous.
First I heard of this, do you have some links to sources?
https://kontrast.at/ktm-corona-hilfen/amp/
Don't tell him about all the frauds, cheats and mistakes of pharmaceutical companies otherwise he wont get any tablets for life. (sarcasm).
Seconding the KTM 1290 SAS recommendation. I love mine, it’s a 2018 model and the newer ones have even better electronics and rider aids. Simply fabulous on road. I haven’t had a chance to do much off-roading on mine yet; looking forward to some BDR rides soon.
You have the same as my dad! 2018 too, very nice bike!
V strom 650 for dependable, no frills no fuss sport touring
Also if you're actually looking at long distance adventure, it's the type of bike you'll find spare parts for everywhere. No waiting 4 weeks for a part if you're in Mongolia, Nigeria, or Chile, like with other brands such as BMW or KTM
At first I thought this was going to be some kind of dig, like the trails are scattered with dead VStroms on the side of the road
But if you're above-average height, it's not a very comfortable bike for long hours in the saddle. I had the first gen 650, I loved that bike for so many reasons. But the ergos were cramped for me, and after a few hours on asphalt I would start to feel miserable.
No frills, no fuss, the Suzuki way. Unfortunately, no frills and sport touring are counter intuitive to some, lol.
Any of the ADV bikes that have road variants such as Tiger 900/1200 GT models.
I own 2024 tiger 900 gt pro and owned 2021 gt pro. I haven’t had a single problem with either bike. It’s definitely a great all rounder without being great at any one thing. The Tiger is the right blend of fit and finish, price, HP and versatility for me.
If it doesn't have to be new, Tiger 1050/1050 Sport. Being one of the few options with 17's means you can rail it pretty hard on road.
Versys 1000. Just keep going all day at whatever speed you like and it will just keep singing its song. Great stock seat. Plush suspension. Sucks on moderately bad roads. But if you have great Tarmac you would love it.
A little biased, but the big GS bikes are super competent and comfy touring bikes that can tear up back roads and handle all but the worst off road terrain.
It's a damn shame they are so bloody expensive to buy and maintain. Easily 50% more expensive than an Africa Twin or Vstrom 1050.
Yeah they are almost twice as expensive, but definitely not twice the bike. That being said, I have one (a 2016), that I wouldn't trade for anything else. Second hand, it's a bit more reasonable.
I just spent Friday to Tuesday blasting around Catalonia on a GS and I can confirm that thing eats up miles like a fat chick eats cake. I will however caveat my experience by including my thoughts on the soul and enjoyment of riding that bike. There is no soul, and whilst enjoyable, I've ridden much more fun bikes in the same realm/class/genre as the BMW GS.
Most new GS riders short shift and lug the engine. That boxer twin wants to rev higher than most want to try at first.
So true -- I was riding a Panigale and 1250 GSA at the same time and I found it so fun to lug the GS after years of fighting low RPMs. The new cams make the GS an absolute blast through the whole rev range. Just as usable at 5pmh as it is at 90 mph
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While I can't really quantify "soul" in any objective way, it's an extremely fun bike when you're familiar with it's capabilities and are comfortable pushing those limits.
Perhaps 4 days isn't enough to get comfortable pushing the limits of the machine. Although I cruised, I wheelied, I sped and I "off-roaded" in that time. I'm not sure what else I could have done and I'd given it the same chance I've given dozens of other bikes. Perhaps the expectations were too high, but if I could describe it in anyway, it would be "smooth but lifeless".
I think what people mean by "no soul" is the machine just does exactly what you tell it to do, and nothing you don't. I call that good design. "soul" to me is like how the Moto Guzzi bikes have a dry clutch and jerk to the side when you rev them because of the transverse V-twin engine arrangement. And how my Aprilia V4 sounds like an absolute bucket of bolts under 4000 RPM and the strange noises that a straight-cut gearbox makes legitimately sounds broken.... Just for the thing to absolutely *sing* when you get on the throttle. lol
I think you might be onto something there. I guess you could say all bikes interpret the road (or whatever surface you're riding on) in a certain way, whereas the GS gives little interpretation. It just delivered.
Top Gear had an episode with a premise that the vehicles that make you truly love them have to have quirks. If it’s all sorted and serious, there’s not something odd, surprising, or broken for the human heart to love
I agree with this wholeheartedly. My 09 GS jerks when you rev due to the boxer, the gear box is loud and clunky, but it is so damn fun to ride. The newer models are definitely more refined. Hands down when I walk out to the garage to ride I always find myself wanting to jump on the GS.
Multistrada v2s or V4 should be on that list.
V4 pikes peak if you really want pure on road performance.
I knew no matter which few pictures I added there’d be just as many model lines left out, and with plenty of amazing bikes in that missing set
Brake Magazine over in Wales has basically said as much too -- the mini Multi in particular is their favorite "soft-roader" ADV
Totally agree. I have a Multistrada V4S. I've owned a lot of big "adventure" bikes. On the road, nothing can beat the V4S.
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I would go with anything Vstrom. I have a 650 and my next one is 99% going to be a 1050 but I wouldn't be sleeping over the new 800 either. If you want a sportier bike the triumph tigers are well regarded. A more relaxed I would probably pick the Africa twin DCT. I personally wouldn't recommend the GS because of it's high maintenance costs. Most of the other bikes wouldn't be as comfortable on the road tbh.
worth mentioning VSTROM
I think 1/4 of people in here are on that wavelength
Here’s another +1 for the VStrom assuming the latest models are as solid as my old one. I had a new ‘04 DL1000 that I rode as my all-arounder: commuting, groceries, day trips, x-country w/ some 12-hour days. Put 40k or so miles on it. Rode 85% asphalt, but I felt comfortable anytime I traveled a dirt road. Plenty of gitup at low-speed and highway… it just hummed along at 80mph. I upgraded it a bit… replaced the stock fork springs with progressives for more stability, tires for a bit more dirt grip, a touring saddle, touring wind screen, and up-and-back bar risers for a comfortable ergonomically neutral/upright riding position (I’m 6’ tall). Added an engine guard and forward foot pegs to stretch. Rigged a simple velcro throttle lock which was sufficient on long runs. Loved that bike (let it go for practical needs at the time). Never any mechanical issues beyond scheduled maintenance. I’d get another, but I have to say I’m surprised at how much more expensive ‘24 model is compared to my ‘04 which I think I bought for about $6,900 w/ factory luggage. But before I get another anything, I’ll certainly check out all of the other bikes currently on the market — so many more great options these days… Honda, KYM, Yamaha. I’ve always loved the big GS as well, but as I’m getting older, the weight of the bike is definitely more of a factor because I ride solo a lot and want something that I’ll be able to easily lift on my own if I end up tipped over on a forest service road somewhere.
I love my Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer. I know it's not on your list but it's great on-road bike. Loads of power and handles like a dream. The 850 and 900 variants are great too. And cheaper.
Yeah that ‘list’ was a hasty Google scramble for some attention and I left off a few obvious contenders like the Tiger
GS of course
Yeah if you're going to stick to the road you might as well buy the GS and enjoy the hell out of it
There's a reason you see a lot of Iron Butt riders on the 1250GS. Excellent touring bike and very capable on-road. I'm extremely partial (and probably a little biased) to the Pan America for the same reasons - a bike that excels in canyons, interstate, and commuting. Truth be told, any competent ADV should have zero issues tackling pavement and gravel, so you could probably pick any one of those bikes and be happy. Both GS and PanAm come with cruise control from the factory which is pretty dang great if you're looking for something to tour on.
Africa DCT. That transmission adds a lot of comfort
I’ve been lusting after a GS for a long time, but recently ended up getting a DCT Goldwing. I’m thoroughly in love with that transmission. Now, I think I’ll get a DCT Africa Twin instead of a GS at some point.
I had listened to interview with somebody from Honda talking about how they programmed the shift points, and it was very cool! If I remember correctly, they had some top riders on a manual version with tons of sensors to measure how they were shifting, and then put those riders through the ringer as far as terrain and situations so that they could teach the DCT bike to ride like a pro essentially
Been on a CRF1100L Africa Twin with DCT, an R1300GS as well as the G310GS I've owned and the F900GSA I currently have, and I can tell you that the GS is better in every way except for maintenance costs. It's more enjoyable, comfortable and loaded with features. It's understandable if you still want DCT though. But if you can wait, iirc the R1300GS is getting Automated Shift Assist (ASA) starting with 2025 models; it basically acts as a tiptronic transmission when you want it to and keeps the gear shift peg when you want to take control of shifting, but the bike will come without a clutch lever.
On road - the GS by a large margin. And there are a ton more 3rd party accessories for them too.
By a large margin? I disagree. I prefer my KTM 1190 Adventure. Comfortable, faster, sportier.
They said best ON road, not best broken down by the side of the road.
That was brutal lmao
Hey, I already have a KTM and haven’t had any issues at all… beside random leaks and parts trying to fall of as bolts and screws work their way out lol. Still love it!
Hah funny. I have done 50k km on mine without any problems.
You should email KTM they'll probably wanna take a look at it
You lucked out.
You had my attention at comfort, but locked me in with faster and sportier!
But for that money you can buy two bikes that are more competent on either terrain.
Of course. The point of a bike like the GS isn't to be a 10/10 perfect bike for the highway, the twisties and the dirt. There are cheaper bikes that are better in each category. But how does that help you when you're traveling two hours on the highway to reach the twisty mountain road that leads to your favorite off-road trail at the top? A bike that does nothing perfectly but everything pretty damn well has it's place.
I was pretty unhappy with my 2022 KTM Adventure 890 on road. It was twitchy and uncomfortable. Too much of a dirtbike frame to fit a comfy seat. So much happier with my VStrom 1000.
I love the KTM twitch, but comfort in this category is pretty key. Some other Vstrom fans here; I could be convinced
Realized I made a big typo: I was ***unhappy*** with the KTM.
If you want to go offroad the tuareg and t7 are on another level compared to the others. But if you want to use it mainly on asphalt I wold go for gs
I've gotta say the africa twin 1000 was the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden, close second for the ktm 1050/1190/1290.
Klr650 because the price
Underated touring motorcycle. After a few comfort mods like bigger windshield and grip puppies, that bench seat is like grandma's la-z-boy.
Never thought I’d hear a seat described that way…. Sold lol
No one talks about the Multistrada V4 GT?
Should have been in the pic list for sure, and I’ve seen a few people mention it here… mostly praising the ride and bemoaning the cost
My issue with it is the fuel economy. I'd rather have the MTS 1200 or 1260 with 160 hp and 45 mpg.
The one you don't have listed, and has been widely regarded as being the best all-around bike: Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. ...I may be slightly biased, though.
There were a few obvious ones that I didn’t add to that list which I’m taking heat for lol. Who isn’t biased? It’s all good!
Moto Guzzi v85TT Cuz Keanu Reeves’s loves moto guzzi
Not the logic I was expecting to find here, but I’ll take it!
My name says it all.
I have a Vitpilen 401 already so it’s tempting to extend my husky family! What should I know that the marketing materials miss or don’t emphasize enough?
I have a 2022 Husqvarna Norden 901 with 37,000 km, I am 1.73m tall and it is a very comfortable motorcycle for traveling alone or with pato on road and occasionally off road. Its torque is exceptional, it has all the electronic aids and is very maneuverable. BTW I had the Svartpilen 200 and lovit
Pato? I read that as “Duck” because Spanish is a thing lol
Couldn't tell ya anything negative. I've freakin loved the bike. On the highway at 80 with the standard wind screen - the wind gets a bit crazy (as expected) - I put on a touring screen and all is well with the world.
How easy is it to switch the screens on and off? Also how tall are you?
I'm 6'0". Changing the wind screen took about 3 minutes including opening the box of the new screen. I got the mid-sized touring screen from Parabellum. It's almost too good at blocking the wind, but great on the highway.
If 90% of your riding is on road an the 10% is light gravel, my preferences would be, in order; GS, Tiger, 1290, AT
Also lool at the moto guzzi v85tt
Where is the Tiger buddy?
I heard the Ducati Desertx is supposed to be the best road-performing adventurebike out there. Look at Fortnine's Review on Youtube
More so than the Multistrada?
I’m still trying to wrap my head around why adv bikes out of no where have exploded in popularity when they’ve been around for a long time. The only adv bike I knew of off the top of my head prior to the explosion of their popularity was the Suzuki vstrom. I feel like that bike isn’t recommended a whole lot around here. This is coming from a sportbike only rider who’s getting a little older and interested in more comfort and is intrigued by the adv rise in popularity. I was originally going to go the sport touring route due to my background and riding style but there’s literally only two bikes on the market that are sport tourers. Adv bikes on the other hand, insane amount of options on the market.
For pure asphalt and some minor off-road, my suggestion is actually going to be a Honda NC750X. You literally cannot get a better on-road high mileage bike. DCT for pain free riding, mega gas mileage, and the maintenance routine can be done with like 1 screwdriver. I'm seeing a high number of 1200cc bike suggestions, but those're dumb. You don't need more than 600cc of power for on/off road. I don't really get those. If the Honda doesn't do it, then any of the 600+ ADV bikes from big names will do you fine - Vstrom 650, Tiger 850, F750GS, Versys 650, etc. I commute on a Tiger 850, I quite like it. I'd avoid KTM, the on again off again engine problems and other QC issues plus the 'pay extra for a digital unlock of features already on your bike' are a hard no-go for me.
Yamaha Super Tenere
I’ve always liked how it looks; what’s something underrated about it?
Does everything reasonably well, strong and under-stressed motor is reliable pulls like a tractor in 1st/2nd, with shaft drive for half the price of a kitted Beemer.
Came here to say this. Economical , price wise, reliable and always puts a smile on my face. I’ve had multiple 6-8 hour days in the saddle, very comfortable with a seat upgrade.
Just got a 2013 Super Tenere. Compared to my Yamaha FJ-09, the comfort is night and day. It took me a couple rides to get used to the weight, but I love the bike.
As far as I've ever heard it might genuinely be the most reliable motorcycle ever made, or at least very high on that list alongside some shaft drive Hondas
Tenere 700 is actually quite comfortable but you need to invest in a touring seat and make some mods to the windscreen based on your height. Otherwise it's super flickable while driving over the alpine roads, even with 3 hard cases and a tankbag on. Then again, if I would be in my 60's with weak knees and a soar back, I'd get a GS, just sit on one and you get it.
I sat on it two days ago at my dealer. Man is this bike tall! With my 31' inseam I could barely get it from the side stand. After that I tried Aprilia Tuareg 660 and it's much more managable for me. Probably because it's not so top heavy.
I'm 188cm and it's very ok for me but my friend is like 170 and he got the KTM 790 adventure. The 790 is insanely ideal bike for a shorter rider
GS probably everything else is probably a close 2nd i love my tenere and ive heard great things about the vstrom 1000’s
Where Suzuki?
Kawasaki is a touring motorcycle not an adv one. From the list, the GS or KTM
Tiger 900 GT
Tiger 900 Rally?
You left out the obvious choice- Tiger 900 GT. 19” front wheel can handle plenty of obstacles and handles great on road. Triple engine with plenty of torque and fun to rev. Has all the gadgets you would want out of a modern bike and it’s certainly a middleweight. Try one.
Tiger (only tried 900), both in Rally and GT Pro versions, is really good on the road
Africa Twins or Super Tenere. Very comfortable on road and serious beast off road.
Yeah not many people talking about the Tigers, but with that smooth 3 cylinder having the best balance of torque across the rev range, it's very hard to beat for primarily on-road. If it was me, I'd get the Tiger 900 GT for the best of all worlds.
Quick question, how did the Honda NC750X not make the list?
The moto guzzi v85tt is slept in. Dealers are offering them brand-new well under MSRP. They are easy to work on and pretty loaded with features
Developed countries: GS hands down. Developing countries: CB500X, just so reliable and parts availability is unmatched.
Where's my girl KLR 650
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Beauty reply; thank you!
The v4 Multistrata is insane on the streets and a weapon off road. IMO The best full-size ADV bike and it’s not close. (R1250-1300GS is second place.)
I never understood street tires on adv bikes. Knobs are perfectly fine on pavement or asphalt but street tires suck hard off road. Going moto mode with slicks on a dirt bike in the city is freaking sweet ass sweet but street tires on adv bikes just don’t or else you won’t have much of an adventure!
For thrills and giggles, go with the 1290 but it has HUGE reliability issues. A friend of mine had one and it had to be towed to the dealer after 3 weeks. Look-up on the web for reliability issues and recalls. For dependability and not-so-perfect roads (*a.k.a. US roads*), go with the Tenere. That thing is such a good allrounder. The Tuareg is similar with more character but less longevity (the Yamaha will still work after 20 years). The Norden, yeah it looks cool but I lived with one for 10 days. It is a niche product and more targeted for dirt roads. I wouldn't chose it. Similarly, the Honda AT, I don't think it separates itself from the competition. There is the DCT transmission, if that's what you are interested in. And it also have the Apple Car Play, which is brilliant by the way. I wish all bikes had that. The overall winner is the 13GS. I also toured in it for 10 days. Brilliant bike, very powerful, mountains of torque, electronic suspension, the magic of telelever, shaft-drive, good range etc. The only downside is the price, I presume. But in my opinion, it is worth every penny.
The best Adventure bike is the one YOu can take adventures with. What those adventures look like for you may be totally different than what the next person wants. Some people will never go more than a couple hundred miles from home while others will travel across continents. Its like the "Overlanding" community of the 2 wheel world. Just ride a bike suitable for the trips you want to take. Reliability and a skilled rider will do more than having all the fancy pants crap and the strongest, biggest or fastest bike. Here in the states I have a Africa Twin. In Nicaragua I have a Nc700x and a Genesis 250 off road bike. They all work just fine and have had them all on road and off road. Just take different levels of risk with each one. Or choose different routes.
I’ve heard alot of good about the Husqvarna if you can find one. Royal Endfield Himalayan is a good smaller ADV/Road bike also.
I have a husky now so am tempted to keep it in the family
Eventually everyone buys the GS. There is just no other end game.
GS hands down
DesertX. Its a Ducati, they know how to build fun road bikes. Had mine for half a year now and I adore it. The big GS aight too
How hot does it get? Been thinking of trading my Desert Sled for one but ideally looking for something that runs a little cooler.
Mostly road ADV, triumph tiger 900. It’s got the triple engine and since you’re on the asphalt, you don’t need good reliability because you can just get a tow easily. Not as honky as the big GS.
I've had zero reliability issues with my '22 900 RP
Why would you assume Tigers are unreliable in the first place? I have never heard of someone left stranded on a Tiger 8/900 due to engine fault.
The dessert x has had some storming reviews
My Multistrada Pikes Peak is the best road touring (with massive performance) I’ve ever ridden. I’ve done multiple consecutive 1,000mile days, and it can keep up with the sport bikes in the canyons. See the late Carlin Dunne’s win at Pikes Peak on a virtually stock version for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSPs7PDQtI
I just finished a 2.8k km trip on a 2023 model Africa Twin (with DCS) and it was great. Stayed on the roads (was a rental bike). Overall amazing experience, one thing I’d change is the seat. It’s bloody wooden.
Adv 1290 KTM
My opinion, there is no other than the grand daddy of them all, especially on road - The GS.
a lot of police force use dct transmission africa twins. they are good, reliable.
Haven't ridden any of the other big ADVs but my dad has a DCT Africa Twin and man is it smooth. Incredibly comfortable bike and handles well. I've never done any off road riding more than manicured dirt roads, gravel roads, etc, but it just feels like I wouldn't want something so big for anything harsher than that. That's just me though. Fantastic for touring and the more manicured off road trails and roads.
Norden. Amazing on road, off road and on a cross-continent trip
Yamaha super tenere is amazing for long trips
There is cruise control on the 1050...
KTM super adventure S you get a lot of features for the money.
Rode 9000 km with africa twin for 3 weeks, in a hot climate on road with lots of twists and turns last summer.. came off the bike everyday without a single complaint .. plus it has apple car play which world like a charm .
Something with 17 inch wheels front and rear.
The Triumph Tiger 850 is an underrated street bike.
Check out the s1000xr or spicier m1000xr for on road adventure
I’m on my 4th GS Adventure. There’s just nothing else quite like it, a lot of bikes have certain things they can do better but I’ve yet to experience the same all around ability, comfort, and durability on another bike. Maintenance cost is relative, of course.
GS KTM adv and Versys for different reasons, then the AT, then the other three
I’ve ridden the Ténéré 700 and the Aprilia Tuareg 660 both are good bikes but if I have to decide between those two I think I’d Tage the Aprilia it has much more comfort than the Ténéré.
I’ve heard great things about the Honda Safari. I rode a Yamaha TW200 for quite a few years but I was primarily off-road. That Harley looks cool but I have no idea how they ride. I rode the smaller ones because they are more agile getting through the woods and the fat tires made a huge difference at times.
If money is no object, the Ducati Mulstistrada V4 Rally. I use to ride a R1250 GSA and switched to the Rally. Never looked back. I now own two. One on each coast as I travel between homes on each a lot. I also have a KTM 890 Adventure R. That is a dirt bike that you can do reasonable miles on. Not a the other way around. I think the Aprilia Tuareg 660 would be great for a mid.
I would pick the Aprilia but I like things you don’t see 5 of them in a day riding…
Why are ADV bikes so huge with big engines? I mean, I'm not that tall at 5' 9" but I'm 210 lbs and my RS125 was comfortable for 5 hours down the highway and even with 2 carry-on sized bags strapped to it could still hit speeds considered racing that would cost me my license. Now the tiny 2 stroke engine doesn't love that but it seems going up slightly would be fine. Can't see the need for 2-3x the weight and 10x the engine size.
I’ve enjoyed my Tiger 1200, but it did take some getting used to before I could say that (it’s heavy)
ADV riders eating good these days.
The super adventure S is the undisputed king of the road going adventure bikes. It's insane.
I haven’t ridden all of them, but the GS is fantastic. 1200 and prior were a bit slow tbh, but 1250 and 1300 are just fast enough for me, handle well, and are just pleasant to ride with good comfort and ergonomics (as long as the boxer engine bits sticking out doesn’t bother you) Alternatively, also in the BMW lineup, the S1000XR is awesome. It feels lighter and faster, but definitely less off road capable so idk if people even call it ADV. Any bike can go on a bit of gravel though with the right tires and caution not to bottom out.
DCT or Manual Africa Twin??
I just upgraded from my Versys 650 to a 2022 Norden 901. Perfect bike. In the last two weeks I put 2600 km on it.
I have an Africa Twin and I love it, it is true that it is a bit heavy (I am not a Pro) but I would say GS or Africa Twin.
Gs 1300
Any GS platform from my experience.; super comfy and loaded with features. I currently own an F900GSA. You can also consider the S1000XR if you want more adrenaline. I know people who have driven V-Stroms and Africa Twins before (I've also personally ridden a CRF1100L), and they said the GS bikes are ahead of them. But it depends on your budget and the Japanese counterparts are still quite good. If you can't go for a European bike try the Kawasaki Versys in my opinion.
I wish adv bikes were just a smidge cheaper. Most of the used bikes I’m seeing locally are a lot of older Rebel 250s for some reason and clapped out Ninjas. Any idea of where I should look for an ADV bike that won’t cost an arm and a leg? I have about $5k I can part with for a new bike. If not, I’ll be patient and keep saving.
I have a super Tenere ES. No fancy electronics, but I have ridden it hard, and it’s super reliable.
Ofc a jawa pionier 21
Love my R1200GS LC that I bought used. The '13-'16 year model prices are dropping quite a bit now. I don't understand why people think they're expensive to maintain. Just DIY and avoid the dealership labor fees.
Your list is missing the Triumph Tiger 900, which would be my pick.
Super tenere
I would put MV Agusta Turismo veloce in this list an ADV just for road, comfortable and sexy
I bought a 23 1250GS with the intent of some very light off-road (western fire roads). Granted, it’s only 11 months old, but I now have zero desire to go fling gravel, rocks, and sand on a new bike. The bike is phenomenal on the road, and I enjoy keeping it shiny and clean. While I wouldn’t trade it, a 1250RT “probably” would have been a better choice. Just food for thought before you sling your new $26k GS down a gravel road…have fun!
Ktm 1290 sas has the most insane gearing. Low speed or high speed - you'll be giggling like a school girl.
Versys 1000 SE. The difference in price is negligible after you drove the electronic suspension. 3 different suspension settings and 3 preoload settings you can change while you ride. You want some fun in the twisties, you change to Sport, you want some normal normal riding on normal roads, change it to roads. If it’s rains or if the pavement should have been repaired last year, change it to rain and most bumps will not bother you. Beside the suspension you get some extras like the lights that light up the curves. Really great for the late night or early morning drives. And the engine has enough power for everything. I only miss the character that the 2 cylinder bikes have.
Older GS Dakar. Does it all.
My honda grom is great for racking up miles while being extremely fuel efficient, and i've definitely taken it offroad before. Definitely an adventure bike.
Varadero 1000XL Edit: because Honda.
Best adv on road is the BMW R1250GS
Seriously no Multistrada?
No PanAmerican?
What about the Super Tenere
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Yamaha Tenere 900. That's all that was missing from the 700. Which is a fantastic bike but needed a little more umf for longer rides on the road.
Bmw hands down, though I have a soft spot for Ducati
Not a fan of adventure bikes but if i had to pick one, it would surely be the Africa Twin.
Doesn't even include Yamaha Super Tenere.
Not the Africa Twin, they rust to pieces. Terrible build quality.
Tiger 1050 (or 1050 Sport if you're in the UK/Europe).
No Harley?
CRF300 Rally or a Tuareg 660. People forget weight kills alot of you fun in trails, plus touring on an overpriced ADV is trash, just buy a touring oriented motorcycle.
I’m not saying it’s the best because I don’t know. But I would recommend a ride or two on a Pan America. I have never enjoyed riding a bike as much as this thing. 300 miles in 2 days.
Africa twin and bmw gs
Moto Guzzi V85TT. I own one and it’s phenomenal on the highway. Stupid simple maintenance too.
KLR650
I have a Tenere. I like it. The one in your picture is the Canadian edition which is INSANELY disappointing that it doesn’t come with heated grips. Come on, Yamaha
I might be in the minority here, but my S1000XR has seen its fair share of more than just gravel AND it absolutely tears up the road.
When I think of adv bikes my mind goes to the gs and Africa twin
GS obv
Triumph tiger
Not a lot of Aprilia votes because not a lot of people own them. But I have one in that color you posted and fucking love it
African twin to get there with no issues KLR if your doing around the world and need a mechanic in Afghanistan to patch things up.