I hope he goes full Method and stays in character as he directs and treats the film as his Precious.
"Filthy hobbitses ruin take! We hates it, we hates it forever!"
Craft services will consist of raw fish and absolutely no potatoes.
Yikes. Anyone see Venom 2? Serkis directed that and it is \*awful\*
Edit\* I have conceded that Serkis was likely just getting a paycheck and barely had any control over Venom2.
The thing is they acutally haave a really great scene where he shoves a tentacle down a security guards mouth and its very carnage... then he spins so fast he creates a tornado in a prison and that sets the tone for the rest of the movie.
That movie reeks of rewrites or just being pulled in multiple directions. Venom without Eddie ending up at this weird costume rave and taking the mic to give a speech about "coming out" and not hiding anymore was such a weird detour.
That scene is real, and I can't figure out what they were trying to do. It has great comedy potential but they don't play it that way. Maybe to avoid offending anyone by making a joke out of a gay coming out allegory? But they don't commit to playing it serious or expand on it either, it just sort of happens.
The Carnage prison break too, it's all over the place. Despite being PG-13, there's a few moments that are almost believably threatening for Carnage. But that tornado was straight up Looney Tunes or The Mask levels of silly.
*and they don't commit to it*
Instead, Carnage is just mean (or misogynistic?) towards Cletus's girl due to her sound powers making it so they literally can't both fight at the same time. Cletus & Carnage aren't even on the same page, I guess so Eddie & Venom have the advantage of their renewed, stronger relationship as a payoff to that subplot?
It's PG-13, but Venom calls someone a pussy, possibly twice? Even if that's allowed, it just feels like a weird thing to do if your movie was intended for pg-13 in the first place
The tornado killed any expectations I had for the movie. I wasn't a big fan of the first one, but I enjoyed Tom Hardy going full ham with it, so I figured I'd catch the second on streaming. Things were going... okay... until Carnage turns into a tornado. And that point I just go, "Oh, so this is going to be nonsense for the rest of the movie." But as you say, they don't commit to that level of lunacy. It's just middle-of-the-road for its entire runtime, wasting Carnage, wasting Woody Harrelson, and wasting the small good will I had from the first one.
When Hardy showed up in that "No Way Home" cut scene I audibly moaned. I know the MCU is hurting right now, but no way they're hurting bad enough to pull that garbage into their soup.
Clearly Jackson and Zaslav looked at that recent Gollum video game and decided it was perfect material to adapt for the movies! And people loved that gollum game...right? Right!?
They better be careful if they decide to recast Gandalf and Aragorn. on the other hand the internet is a very calm and logical place, I’m sure no one would be upset.
After Ian McKellan's experience on the hobbit I don't think he'll ever play gandalf again. Plus, he's now at (or rather slightly passed) the "Christopher Lee in fellowship" age which means he'd have limited time anyway.
I hope it’s based on the Gollum game that came out this year! /s
The original trilogy was made with care and attention to detail. No shortcuts and no expense spared. Every LOTR movie/series since then has been trying to sell us a shaky Polaroid of the Mona Lisa.
> no expense spared.
~~Uhh .. it was very much on a tight budget considering the scale of the movies. That's the amazing thing that PJ pulled off, how good it looked given his constraints.~~
I thought this was a joke comment, but then I read the article and...good lord, this isn't a joke, this is actually what they're doing.
I'll just assume that Peter Jackson lost his mind while working on Beatles documentaries, because this is completely insane.
From the description it seems to either be a film set when Sauron sought out Gollum to torture him, or a retelling of his running after murdering Deagól.
In either case, neither sounds insane to me?
Why is Warner so obsessed with Gollum?
Yes he's very famous, but it’s for being a fucking freak that people can’t decide whether to hate or pity.
Some idiot at Warner seems to think Gollum is the "Medieval Joker" and is about to call Jared Leto to play him.
Alternative movie ideas:
-When Otho Met Lobelia.
In year 2941 of the third age, town mates Otho Sackville-Baggins and Lobelia Bracegirdle share a contentious wagon ride from Michel Delving to Bywater during which they argue about whether men and women can ever truly be strictly platonic friends. Ten years later, Otho and Lobelia meet again at the Green Dragon Inn, and in the company of their respective best lads and lasses, attempt to stay friends without sex becoming an issue between them.
-Meriadoc Brandybuck, a sexist womanizer, is killed by a group of angry willow trees in the old forest. He bargins with Eru Ilúvatar for redepmption and must return to Middle Earth and have a sincere relationship with a female dwarf and make her fall in love with him. If not Merry's soul will belong to Morgoth.
-Caddyhole
Bandobras Took (the Bullroarer) is groundskeeper at the Greenfields, an exclusive croquet club in Hobbiton. When an especially troublesome gopher named Golfimbul moves on to the course, Bandobras is tasked with removing him. Hijinks ensue as Golfimbul humorously evades Bandobras' attacks. Ultimately Bandobras knocks Golfimbuls head off with a wooden club, and it rolls down a gopher hole....creating the game of golf.
They're telling the story about how Gandalf and Aragorn hunted for Gollum in the events between the Hobbit and LotR. Although Andy Serkis has a lot of love for the literature, I don't really see the point of it because this story is only mentioned in passing. The movie just seems to be "content," which can be ok in some instances, but it certainly runs the risk of becoming nothing more than a cash cow
God, I recently rewatched that and I had forgotten just how damn good it was. It's a crime we didn't get more. Or even an Asterix and Obelix in the same style.
Maybe we’d finally get the Caesar knife holder: https://external-preview.redd.it/APvQ-bBUOJj7v7Ge3afwvCHgL6Qj1Cxrnx1vCnu_gGA.png?auto=webp&s=f8c09d9d162c9b5bc3f617411f7700ff71812ad7
Man was suppose to direct it right after completing the Hobbit trilogy. Spielberg straight up said during The Fablesman press junket that Tintin 2 wasn't his responsibility, it was Jackson's. Besides documentaries, Jackson hasn't directed a movie in a decade.
What the fuck? Do the Children of Hurin or Beren and Luthien. Plenty of detail to create a movie from. Not whatever this bullshit is.
I presume the Tolkien estate hasn't given permission to do those stories maybe.
No they fall under the Silmarillion which they haven't released the rights for yet. If Jackson gets to do those stories at some point it could be great.
Then do the blue wizards and their mission in the east, which is a deliberate blank spot in the lore that says, "Something interesting and important happened here." Tolkien even suggested once that their story (or at least their legacy) continues past the events of LotR.
>What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; I suspect that they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.
Anything you write about that is basically fanfic, but as the meme goes, "It's free real estate!"
That’s exactly correct. First age stuff is not included in the Lord of the Rings IP, except maybe certain aspects of Beren and Luthien since the poem shows up in the book.
They didn't get the rights for Silmarillion for doing the Rings of Power because they don't need them as much for the Second Age story they are doing. But they did reference names and events from The Silmarillion that are not in the Lord of the Rings book, so they get permission to use stuff from the Silmarillion case by case, even if they don't have the right.
The Estate is one of the producers of the show, so they can do that without giving the full rights. The tricky thing for them is doing it in miniscule amounts to not warrant a legal case because WB now has the first look rights I believe. They cannot just sell the Silmarillion rights to Amazon without WB getting involved also.
The reason it only vaguely followed the lore so far is... the lore of the Second Age is quite flimsy and some creative choices, but it is hardly about rights. The second season will reveal more about the rights situation though, for example if they actually use the name Annatar, then we know the Estate is really giving them rights from the other books.
From what I understand they used the appendices from LotR as a basis for RoP and that was their justification to use names and plot points from the Second Age.
The purpose of Annatar was to fool the elves into making Sauron's rings using his techniques. The elves have already made the Three (completely out of sequence here), having just learned what an "alloy" is, so Annatar has no purpose in this story. I wouldn't think the estate would grant the rights to the name in any case aside from portraying him accurately.
Jesus Christ, enough with Gollum already. He may be iconic but does anyone actually *like* him? I can’t think of a more boring premise for a piece of LOTR media than one centered on that dirty little gremlin crawling around in some cave eating bugs and shit, and I’m pretty sure the Gollum game already proved that’s a pretty widespread opinion.
This is how I feel. LotR is my 'GOAT' movie trilogy personally... but my god, I don't think I can watch more centered around Gollum. Just... let it go, man.
There's something to be said about finishing something, dropping the mic and walking away.
I wish no media had followed the original Trilogy, it's been just lack lustre.
I feel the same way about Star Wars. I worshipped that original trilogy and even when some stuff has been decent it still gives me that feeling of "Really more?"
Yup, producers see a bunch of fans in love with a franchise and look at it as an opportunity to make millions by making more. But a lot of times the story has already been told and anything else is going to be subpar garbage.
The gollum scenes in the trilogy are my least liked parts. Two Towers when it’s the three of them and he’s being dragged/fishing whatever I always just fast forward through. His voice irritates me and I just…idk I don’t like him.
It's when Aragorn hunted for Gollum by the orders of Gandalf. Storyline would be set slightly before the LotR or sometime between Bilbo departing after his birthday and before Frodo sets out to transport the Ring to Rivendell.
I highly doubt viggo comes back, he takes shit like that pretty serious and is fairly choosy with roles. Obviously there's always a price tag but I think he'd be iffy on this one.
I can see that. Bonus points for making Tom speak in an American accent, even though his own accent is British, and Marky Mark going full Bostonian.
"They're takin' the Habbits ta Isengaaahd!"
This is the key right here! Send Viggo an all expense paid vacation to New Zealand with a local fishing guide then just film around him without his knowledge.
CG and stand-ins should cover the rest, right? Asking for an exec.
Oh God, oh no.
But I'm 100% sure that WB will be milking these characters like cows. Not because of any creative idea, but just because the audience knows them.
Because it is absolutely unneeded. It was literaly a few lines in LotR: Gandalf asked Aragorn to hunt for Gollum; he did that, and then both of them questioned the creature, which was then held by Wood Elves in Mirkwood until his escape. It is literally all it was.
I think you could competently bulk that out into a coherent plot for a 120 minute movie. I think the better question is still what would the *story* be? How would the characters change, what would they learn, how would the events transform them? And likewise what would the audience get out of it?
The movie would have to work very hard to justify its existence which is a massive handicap
>I think the better question is still what would the story be?
Tbh I think it's fairly likely they will follow the formula. The film will start with some backstory about the history of the ring and how it ended up in Bilbo Baggins possession after stealing it from Gollum. It will show how Gandalf becomes suspicious about it and how he now wants to investigate it so calls his agents to him at Mirkwood. He asks Aragorn to get together a small group of elite outcasts to hunt down Gollum in order to find out more about it. There will be at least one traitor/dupe amongst them probably working for Saruman (who we know is secretly in league with Sauron). We'll have some talk between Gandalf and the Elves about why they can't be bothered to do anything to help because "the Ring is lost to history" and not our problem anymore but "good luck with that!".
Meanwhile in Mordor some previously unknown evil lieutenant (Sauron's Spy Master or something) puts together his own bigger crew to track Gollum in an attempt to get him to lead them to the One Ring after they failed to understand what they'd learned from torturing him ("Shire? Baggins? Never heard of them"). It's revealed he was intentionally allowed to escape so they could follow him as he attempts to reclaim the ring. There will be a race through various locations in Middle Earth with the two sides competing to capture Gollum and a few clashes along the way.
Around 2/3 through the movie we get our first proper desperate clash between the two sides with Aragorn's smaller team capturing Gollum, one memorable character from Aragorn's group dies doing something heroic (likely Aragorn's mentor whose always believed he should go take back his Crown) and then they escape back to Mirkwood to meet Gandalf. Aragorn sends out one of his lieutenants to gather the Rangers. Gollum is questioned by Gandalf about the ring and reveals that he's let Sauron's people know that it is in the Shire in the possession of Baggins. Gandalf explains some of it's significance in the presence of the traitor/dupe.
The Elves still act like dicks but then Sauron's Lieutenant shows up with a bunch of Orcs after they are forced to act overtly to try get back Smeagol. Cue the third act big final battle between the Orcs and Elves. Things looks bad but then the Rangers show up. Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant and everyone thinks they've won. Gollum tricks someone with his Smeagol personality and escapes during the battle to resume his own pursuit of "My Precious". Gandalf tells Aragorn to use his remaining Rangers to guard The Shire while he heads off to The Shire confirm his suspicions about the Ring. The end of the film shows the traitor/dupe reporting to Saruman the location of The Shire and that "Baggins" is a Hobbit. He sends word to Sauron and the last scene of the film is the Ring Wraiths leaving Mordor setting up the first film in LOTR.
That's the issue. This story has hardly any space for character change. A better idea would be to use even younger Aragorn from the time when he served in the Gondorian army under a false name, when he fought for e.g., the Pirates of Umbar.
The only hope they have is that the hunt for Gollum wasn't some quick thing. It took YEARS. Over a decade in fact. So there is plenty of time to... make something up.
Which is what they would need to do since Tolkien never really said anything about what went on for those years.
You can't really make it about Aragorn coming to terms with being Isildur's heir. That was covered in the films already, and wasn't even in the books to begin with.
Odd choice for a film. Especially since there is plenty of better source material to draw from. I'm actually one of the few who thinks Tolkien's work can make wonderful films and tv shows. I love seeing adaptations of it and am actually looking forward to the animated Rohirrim film coming later this year.
But this? Feels very thin. Perhaps like butter scraped over- well you know the rest.
There already is a movie! The Hunt for Gollum is a fan film from 2009, one of the best Lord of the Rings fan films.
The cool answer is you make a movie about the Rangers that Aragorn is a part of since they were cut entirely from the movies, and you probably do a movie were a bunch of them are stuck in Mordor with Gollum trying to get out and they keep dying, like predator style or something because they are being hunted by Orcs.
The real answer is with a lot of made up stuff. There's a lot to work with in the sense that it Gollum is running around looking for Bilbo for 30 years, bit details are sparse. Gollum leaves to follow Bilbo and 20 something years later Gandalf gets suspicious of the Ring and sends Aragorn to go find Gollum. Gollum gets captured once by the Mirkwood elves, once by Mordor, and once by Galadriel, and interrogated every time but that's not necessarily a good story for a movie. In the published version Aragorn doesn't even get into Mordor, he finds Gollum at the dead marshes, hence how gollum knows his way through it in the movie.
I don't think it's that ridiculous a premise, so long as they understand a genre change is going to be important. It can't really be another high epic fantasy like Return of the King, it's much more a detective movie or a cat and mouse chase. Or Taken style action movie at worst. But I don't really have faith in the production after the debacle with the Hobbit and my mild disappointment with Rings of Power. They are making the movie so the rights don't revert back to...it was Saul Zant company so I guess Embracer Group now? Or maybe Tolkien Estate? It's such a mess, but it's a situation like the Sony spider-man one. I just feel bad for Peter Jackson really.
It has been a while since I read the books, but if I remember correctly it's when Gollum steals a submarine and Frodo has to figure out whether he's defecting or trying to start a nuclear war.
Here’s quote from Zaslav when announcing this
> “Lord of the Rings is one of the most successful and revered franchises in history and presents a significant opportunity for our theatrical business,”
David Zazlav, billionaire CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, was invited to speak at Boston University Commencement during the writer’s strike (?!).
Not only was Zazlav loudly booed by protesters during his entire speech, outgoing President Brown was also booed throughout his introduction at his last Commencement Ceremony. Brown, extremely wealthy himself, then sent an email crying about “cancel culture.”
Oh, but it won't just be Gollum! We will see Legolas help with the hunting and have a crazy cgi action scene for no reason! Aragon will surley be there, played by someone else, because VM wants no part of it. We will also finally get to find out how Gimli got his axe!! Everyone always wondered what the story behind his axe was, right? Now we get to spend several scenes that reveal that it was his probably grandfather's axe and was passed down to him!
Many years ago, when I was beginning my acting career I worked on a short independent film called 'The Hunt For Gollum'.
The story follows Aragorn and his... Well... Hunt For Gollum..
Maybe I can get my agent to call up Andy.
[The Hunt For Gollum on YT](https://youtu.be/uZWuxEwqYzM?si=7k9RSejktczoh-gm)
They saw how literally everyone first reaction to the announcement of that abomination gollum game are "Why the fuck would we want to play as Gollum??"
Then decided to make a gollum movie. Because why play it when you can watch 3 hours of gollum right?
You're onto something here
>Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo!
>By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow,
>By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!
>Come, Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us!
Picture that as a Tenacious D song, with Black giving it everything he has and it's amazing.
So I guess we can kiss those Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, Braindead and Heavenly Creatures restorations he promised goodbye so...
Personally I'd be much more interested in seeing him go back to his roots and tackle another over the top horror comedy.
I would die for a Peter Jackson style Beach Boys Doc centered around the recording of SMiLE.
I know we’re getting a Frank Marshall one soon, but that’s just gonna be a standard style of documentary not the “in the room with them” style that Peter Jackson nailed.
Do the creators of LOTR content understand the character of Gollum at all? He isn’t a beloved, misunderstood misfit, he’s loathsome, his fate is already sealed so there’s not even room for a redemption arc. There’s nothing I want less from that universe than to watch more Gollum.
Does anyone think this is a good idea , I mean milking the return of the king appendix is already pretty limiting but still in the 300 stories you could tell you choose Gollum ? Studio execs really don’t know anything about the properties they want to adapt
You could do a young Aragorn story. Start with him as a kid, meet some more Rangers, see how he met Arwen. Anything is more interesting
Hell, do a movie about Angmar and the Witch King, that shit would be awesome. And they are allowed to do it since it’s in the appendices
I think your 2nd idea is the best possible source material to adapt , the first is what I think they will do because they just want famous characters prequels , it reminds me of the solo prequel …
If I’m being honest, I’m not entirely confident in Serkis as a director. His movies have been mediocre at best. That does not take away from his performances in front of the camera imo, I know he’s done second unit stuff but his actual directing filmography is middle of the road :/
I am really surprised to hear Jackson and co are involved. I am also a little disappointed that the first thing they announce was already a fan film in 2009, but it makes sense I suppose. That hunt and such is probably the most adaptable piece from the appendices.
I hope this ends up being like Rogue One. Not part of the main series, but super fun standalone adventure movie, that fits in well but doesn’t overshadow anything or ruin existing plot lines.
The Hobbit for all its faults and weird shoved in sub-plots, still says pretty faithful to the lore or at least adapts it in such a way that it doesn’t overall screwup the entire Tolkien universe. Rings of Power just fucks up everything, so if it can’t be as good as Lotr at least be like the Hobbit.
"It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came!"
On a serious note nobody wants this. The Jackson trilogy is a masterpiece of cinema.
For f*ck sake ! Enough already with the neverending milking of old glories !
Do SF and fantasy literature still have tons of very good stories to adapt ?
You know what? How about a complete original story?
PJ didn’t even want to make the hobbit films. He stepped in because the director left. And he wasn’t even involved in RoP. If he is in from the beginning I have hope the quality will fall between LoTR and the Hobbit movies.
Jackson is producer, Andy Serkis is director
I hope he goes full Method and stays in character as he directs and treats the film as his Precious. "Filthy hobbitses ruin take! We hates it, we hates it forever!" Craft services will consist of raw fish and absolutely no potatoes.
> stays in character as he directs "Handheld, precious! I need it *raw and wiggling!*"
"Faster, precious! Faster and more intenses, *gollum*!"
"With feelingses!"
“Must get master shot before closeups precious !! We MUST !!!” *bites off the cam op’s finger*
“Great take, Elijah. Could I just see that ring for a seconds?”
> “Great take, Elijah. Could I just see that ring for a seconds-is?”
I hope we get bts footage of him directing in his mo-cap suit.
And everyone on set should wear mixed reality goggles with the Gollum CGI being overlayed on his mo-cap suit in real-time.
While speaking in his Gollum voice full-time
What about brace of coneys, precious?
"What's a cut, my precious?"
Yikes. Anyone see Venom 2? Serkis directed that and it is \*awful\* Edit\* I have conceded that Serkis was likely just getting a paycheck and barely had any control over Venom2.
Is it awful because of the direction, or because of the script?
Oh, very much both.
A pg13 carnage movie was always destined to be shit.
The thing is they acutally haave a really great scene where he shoves a tentacle down a security guards mouth and its very carnage... then he spins so fast he creates a tornado in a prison and that sets the tone for the rest of the movie.
That movie reeks of rewrites or just being pulled in multiple directions. Venom without Eddie ending up at this weird costume rave and taking the mic to give a speech about "coming out" and not hiding anymore was such a weird detour. That scene is real, and I can't figure out what they were trying to do. It has great comedy potential but they don't play it that way. Maybe to avoid offending anyone by making a joke out of a gay coming out allegory? But they don't commit to playing it serious or expand on it either, it just sort of happens. The Carnage prison break too, it's all over the place. Despite being PG-13, there's a few moments that are almost believably threatening for Carnage. But that tornado was straight up Looney Tunes or The Mask levels of silly. *and they don't commit to it* Instead, Carnage is just mean (or misogynistic?) towards Cletus's girl due to her sound powers making it so they literally can't both fight at the same time. Cletus & Carnage aren't even on the same page, I guess so Eddie & Venom have the advantage of their renewed, stronger relationship as a payoff to that subplot? It's PG-13, but Venom calls someone a pussy, possibly twice? Even if that's allowed, it just feels like a weird thing to do if your movie was intended for pg-13 in the first place
The tornado killed any expectations I had for the movie. I wasn't a big fan of the first one, but I enjoyed Tom Hardy going full ham with it, so I figured I'd catch the second on streaming. Things were going... okay... until Carnage turns into a tornado. And that point I just go, "Oh, so this is going to be nonsense for the rest of the movie." But as you say, they don't commit to that level of lunacy. It's just middle-of-the-road for its entire runtime, wasting Carnage, wasting Woody Harrelson, and wasting the small good will I had from the first one. When Hardy showed up in that "No Way Home" cut scene I audibly moaned. I know the MCU is hurting right now, but no way they're hurting bad enough to pull that garbage into their soup.
Somehow Gollum returned. It's time for the fellowship to reband together and find him.
I’m assuming this would take place after his escape and before Fellowship. beyond that is anyone’s guess.
Clearly Jackson and Zaslav looked at that recent Gollum video game and decided it was perfect material to adapt for the movies! And people loved that gollum game...right? Right!?
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum: The Movie
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Gollum 2, Precious Boogaloo
Personally i'm looking forward to Gollum 8: Gollum Takes Manhattan
I’m not watching until they’re in space.
Gollum vs. Freddie
Yeah, it’s probably set when Gandalf was researching the Ring after Bilbo’s party and had Aragorn help him track down Gollum.
They better be careful if they decide to recast Gandalf and Aragorn. on the other hand the internet is a very calm and logical place, I’m sure no one would be upset.
After Ian McKellan's experience on the hobbit I don't think he'll ever play gandalf again. Plus, he's now at (or rather slightly passed) the "Christopher Lee in fellowship" age which means he'd have limited time anyway.
The entire movie is going to be Eddie Murphy in different fatsuits
He flys now?!?
He flies now.
He Was in Mordor With My Mom When She Was Researching Shelob Right Before She Died
It's Shelobin' time!
Fly, you fools.
He flies now, you fools!
Your fly's down, fool
I pity the fool.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, I won't get fooled again.
Gollum… We’re home
*screams*
We fly now, precious
I like the part when he says” it’s golluming time!! And he gollum’s all over the place”
Hopefully they can fit Legolas into a love triangle somewhere in there…
Menage a trois: Gollum ❤️ Legolas ❤️ George Constanza.
This lembas bread is making me thirsty!
lmao thank you for this laugh today
I hope it’s based on the Gollum game that came out this year! /s The original trilogy was made with care and attention to detail. No shortcuts and no expense spared. Every LOTR movie/series since then has been trying to sell us a shaky Polaroid of the Mona Lisa.
> no expense spared. ~~Uhh .. it was very much on a tight budget considering the scale of the movies. That's the amazing thing that PJ pulled off, how good it looked given his constraints.~~
*epic music swells* Frodo: Sam…we need you… Sam: Mr Frodo, dem taters ain’t gonna mash themselves!!
I thought this was a joke comment, but then I read the article and...good lord, this isn't a joke, this is actually what they're doing. I'll just assume that Peter Jackson lost his mind while working on Beatles documentaries, because this is completely insane.
From the description it seems to either be a film set when Sauron sought out Gollum to torture him, or a retelling of his running after murdering Deagól. In either case, neither sounds insane to me?
Actually it's about how Gollum broke up the Beatles
It'll be interesting to see Yoko Ono playing Gollum. I'm in!
"reprising" the role
THE DEAD SPEAKSES, PRECIOUS.
Why is Warner so obsessed with Gollum? Yes he's very famous, but it’s for being a fucking freak that people can’t decide whether to hate or pity. Some idiot at Warner seems to think Gollum is the "Medieval Joker" and is about to call Jared Leto to play him.
He’s so relatable to the execs. Shameless hunt for gold
Corrupted and dark beings who have lost their humanity. One of the few characters they can relate to.
They also eat human babies
The suits like 'em raw and wriggling. No side of potatoes necessary.
^^Hehehehehehehe
Don't forget the baby eating.
They made a whole video game centered around him and it bombed HARD. No idea who gave the green light for this.
I bought that game for $5 and still feel like I wasted money
You did. I would pay money to not play the game
Alright pay up.
He’s their yoda
Baby Gollum merchandise incoming.
They think he is Yoda, when in fact, he is Jar-Jar Binks, only less evil.
Jared Leto with “ the precious” and “gollum” tattooed all over him and a bald cap. Jared Leto refuses to shave beard for Gollum role.
Who has a better story than Gollum the broken?
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Never go full Sony
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The Lord of the Rings, the flamethrower.
The dwarves love this one
And last but not least, lord of the rings: the doll: ME *pulls string* THE HOBBITS ARE GOING TO ISENGARD! *kisses doll* adorable
Moichendising
Where the real money from the movie is made
The kids love it.
The Lord of the Rings: But Pippin and Merry have a Sniper Rifle this Time
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Lord of the Rings: Mordor Drift. Lord of Rings Lord Five Lord of Rings 6 Rings 7 The Fate of the Rings Hobbit & Smaug L9
Scorcher VII: Again, Here We Go Again. Again.
But this time, it’s even more different *cut to Speedman holding 5 babies* “Who left the seat up?”
Alternative movie ideas: -When Otho Met Lobelia. In year 2941 of the third age, town mates Otho Sackville-Baggins and Lobelia Bracegirdle share a contentious wagon ride from Michel Delving to Bywater during which they argue about whether men and women can ever truly be strictly platonic friends. Ten years later, Otho and Lobelia meet again at the Green Dragon Inn, and in the company of their respective best lads and lasses, attempt to stay friends without sex becoming an issue between them. -Meriadoc Brandybuck, a sexist womanizer, is killed by a group of angry willow trees in the old forest. He bargins with Eru Ilúvatar for redepmption and must return to Middle Earth and have a sincere relationship with a female dwarf and make her fall in love with him. If not Merry's soul will belong to Morgoth. -Caddyhole Bandobras Took (the Bullroarer) is groundskeeper at the Greenfields, an exclusive croquet club in Hobbiton. When an especially troublesome gopher named Golfimbul moves on to the course, Bandobras is tasked with removing him. Hijinks ensue as Golfimbul humorously evades Bandobras' attacks. Ultimately Bandobras knocks Golfimbuls head off with a wooden club, and it rolls down a gopher hole....creating the game of golf.
Give me a buddy cop movie in the mean streets of minas tirith
Echoing my own comment elsewhere: Suggested title: “The Shill-marillion.”
Right? What story are they telling exactly?
They're telling the story about how Gandalf and Aragorn hunted for Gollum in the events between the Hobbit and LotR. Although Andy Serkis has a lot of love for the literature, I don't really see the point of it because this story is only mentioned in passing. The movie just seems to be "content," which can be ok in some instances, but it certainly runs the risk of becoming nothing more than a cash cow
Quit running from the Tintin grind, Peter. We’ve earned a sequel
God, I recently rewatched that and I had forgotten just how damn good it was. It's a crime we didn't get more. Or even an Asterix and Obelix in the same style.
Asterix and Obelix properly adapted would be so freaking wild!
Maybe we’d finally get the Caesar knife holder: https://external-preview.redd.it/APvQ-bBUOJj7v7Ge3afwvCHgL6Qj1Cxrnx1vCnu_gGA.png?auto=webp&s=f8c09d9d162c9b5bc3f617411f7700ff71812ad7
Man was suppose to direct it right after completing the Hobbit trilogy. Spielberg straight up said during The Fablesman press junket that Tintin 2 wasn't his responsibility, it was Jackson's. Besides documentaries, Jackson hasn't directed a movie in a decade.
The Hobbit was such a bad experience he hasn’t made a film since
Can you really blame him?
You gotta admit though, those were some damn good documentaries
What the fuck? Do the Children of Hurin or Beren and Luthien. Plenty of detail to create a movie from. Not whatever this bullshit is. I presume the Tolkien estate hasn't given permission to do those stories maybe.
No they fall under the Silmarillion which they haven't released the rights for yet. If Jackson gets to do those stories at some point it could be great.
Then do the blue wizards and their mission in the east, which is a deliberate blank spot in the lore that says, "Something interesting and important happened here." Tolkien even suggested once that their story (or at least their legacy) continues past the events of LotR. >What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; I suspect that they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron. Anything you write about that is basically fanfic, but as the meme goes, "It's free real estate!"
Blue Wizards buddy comedy starring Owen Wilson and John C Reilly as Alatar and Pallando filmed in a faux documentary style.
That’s exactly correct. First age stuff is not included in the Lord of the Rings IP, except maybe certain aspects of Beren and Luthien since the poem shows up in the book.
And the appendices. There are summaries of some first age stuff there too.
They didn't even get permission for Rings of Power, which is why it only vaguely follows the lore.
They didn't get the rights for Silmarillion for doing the Rings of Power because they don't need them as much for the Second Age story they are doing. But they did reference names and events from The Silmarillion that are not in the Lord of the Rings book, so they get permission to use stuff from the Silmarillion case by case, even if they don't have the right. The Estate is one of the producers of the show, so they can do that without giving the full rights. The tricky thing for them is doing it in miniscule amounts to not warrant a legal case because WB now has the first look rights I believe. They cannot just sell the Silmarillion rights to Amazon without WB getting involved also. The reason it only vaguely followed the lore so far is... the lore of the Second Age is quite flimsy and some creative choices, but it is hardly about rights. The second season will reveal more about the rights situation though, for example if they actually use the name Annatar, then we know the Estate is really giving them rights from the other books.
From what I understand they used the appendices from LotR as a basis for RoP and that was their justification to use names and plot points from the Second Age.
The purpose of Annatar was to fool the elves into making Sauron's rings using his techniques. The elves have already made the Three (completely out of sequence here), having just learned what an "alloy" is, so Annatar has no purpose in this story. I wouldn't think the estate would grant the rights to the name in any case aside from portraying him accurately.
Jesus Christ, enough with Gollum already. He may be iconic but does anyone actually *like* him? I can’t think of a more boring premise for a piece of LOTR media than one centered on that dirty little gremlin crawling around in some cave eating bugs and shit, and I’m pretty sure the Gollum game already proved that’s a pretty widespread opinion.
This is how I feel. LotR is my 'GOAT' movie trilogy personally... but my god, I don't think I can watch more centered around Gollum. Just... let it go, man.
There's something to be said about finishing something, dropping the mic and walking away. I wish no media had followed the original Trilogy, it's been just lack lustre. I feel the same way about Star Wars. I worshipped that original trilogy and even when some stuff has been decent it still gives me that feeling of "Really more?"
Yup, producers see a bunch of fans in love with a franchise and look at it as an opportunity to make millions by making more. But a lot of times the story has already been told and anything else is going to be subpar garbage.
The gollum scenes in the trilogy are my least liked parts. Two Towers when it’s the three of them and he’s being dragged/fishing whatever I always just fast forward through. His voice irritates me and I just…idk I don’t like him.
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It's when Aragorn hunted for Gollum by the orders of Gandalf. Storyline would be set slightly before the LotR or sometime between Bilbo departing after his birthday and before Frodo sets out to transport the Ring to Rivendell.
Does that mean they are gonna make Viggo look like a creepy ass doll with CGI like they did to Legolas in the Hobbit
I highly doubt viggo comes back, he takes shit like that pretty serious and is fairly choosy with roles. Obviously there's always a price tag but I think he'd be iffy on this one.
Viggo is 65 years old now and looks it.
Viggo is currently older than Ian McKellen was during Fellowship of the Ring. In a grand twist, they could cast Viggo as Gandalf.
Geez, I feel old.
I mean Aragorn would be the main character. If they replaced him then they would definitely be replacing Gandalf
Eh maybe, Gandalf’s physical body is already around 2000 years old, so, no need to recast. I’m sure they can age McKellen up if he wanted to. /s
Definitely gonna be Tom Holland as Aragorn and Mark Wahlberg as Legolas (because he's tall)
I can see that. Bonus points for making Tom speak in an American accent, even though his own accent is British, and Marky Mark going full Bostonian. "They're takin' the Habbits ta Isengaaahd!"
I can’t imagine Viggo would come back even if they toss him piles of money
But if they offered him another horse, he might be down.
“and you get to fish whenever you want!”
This is the key right here! Send Viggo an all expense paid vacation to New Zealand with a local fishing guide then just film around him without his knowledge. CG and stand-ins should cover the rest, right? Asking for an exec.
Oh God, oh no. But I'm 100% sure that WB will be milking these characters like cows. Not because of any creative idea, but just because the audience knows them.
This was my understanding as well which now begs the question, how the fuck do you make a movie on it, feels a bit unneeded, no?
Because it is absolutely unneeded. It was literaly a few lines in LotR: Gandalf asked Aragorn to hunt for Gollum; he did that, and then both of them questioned the creature, which was then held by Wood Elves in Mirkwood until his escape. It is literally all it was.
I think you could competently bulk that out into a coherent plot for a 120 minute movie. I think the better question is still what would the *story* be? How would the characters change, what would they learn, how would the events transform them? And likewise what would the audience get out of it? The movie would have to work very hard to justify its existence which is a massive handicap
>I think the better question is still what would the story be? Tbh I think it's fairly likely they will follow the formula. The film will start with some backstory about the history of the ring and how it ended up in Bilbo Baggins possession after stealing it from Gollum. It will show how Gandalf becomes suspicious about it and how he now wants to investigate it so calls his agents to him at Mirkwood. He asks Aragorn to get together a small group of elite outcasts to hunt down Gollum in order to find out more about it. There will be at least one traitor/dupe amongst them probably working for Saruman (who we know is secretly in league with Sauron). We'll have some talk between Gandalf and the Elves about why they can't be bothered to do anything to help because "the Ring is lost to history" and not our problem anymore but "good luck with that!". Meanwhile in Mordor some previously unknown evil lieutenant (Sauron's Spy Master or something) puts together his own bigger crew to track Gollum in an attempt to get him to lead them to the One Ring after they failed to understand what they'd learned from torturing him ("Shire? Baggins? Never heard of them"). It's revealed he was intentionally allowed to escape so they could follow him as he attempts to reclaim the ring. There will be a race through various locations in Middle Earth with the two sides competing to capture Gollum and a few clashes along the way. Around 2/3 through the movie we get our first proper desperate clash between the two sides with Aragorn's smaller team capturing Gollum, one memorable character from Aragorn's group dies doing something heroic (likely Aragorn's mentor whose always believed he should go take back his Crown) and then they escape back to Mirkwood to meet Gandalf. Aragorn sends out one of his lieutenants to gather the Rangers. Gollum is questioned by Gandalf about the ring and reveals that he's let Sauron's people know that it is in the Shire in the possession of Baggins. Gandalf explains some of it's significance in the presence of the traitor/dupe. The Elves still act like dicks but then Sauron's Lieutenant shows up with a bunch of Orcs after they are forced to act overtly to try get back Smeagol. Cue the third act big final battle between the Orcs and Elves. Things looks bad but then the Rangers show up. Aragorn kills Sauron's Lieutenant and everyone thinks they've won. Gollum tricks someone with his Smeagol personality and escapes during the battle to resume his own pursuit of "My Precious". Gandalf tells Aragorn to use his remaining Rangers to guard The Shire while he heads off to The Shire confirm his suspicions about the Ring. The end of the film shows the traitor/dupe reporting to Saruman the location of The Shire and that "Baggins" is a Hobbit. He sends word to Sauron and the last scene of the film is the Ring Wraiths leaving Mordor setting up the first film in LOTR.
I hate it, but I think you may have just nailed the plot they go with.
That's the issue. This story has hardly any space for character change. A better idea would be to use even younger Aragorn from the time when he served in the Gondorian army under a false name, when he fought for e.g., the Pirates of Umbar.
Or get the rights to the other 6 thousands years worth of lotr history and make a movie about that., lol.
The only hope they have is that the hunt for Gollum wasn't some quick thing. It took YEARS. Over a decade in fact. So there is plenty of time to... make something up. Which is what they would need to do since Tolkien never really said anything about what went on for those years. You can't really make it about Aragorn coming to terms with being Isildur's heir. That was covered in the films already, and wasn't even in the books to begin with. Odd choice for a film. Especially since there is plenty of better source material to draw from. I'm actually one of the few who thinks Tolkien's work can make wonderful films and tv shows. I love seeing adaptations of it and am actually looking forward to the animated Rohirrim film coming later this year. But this? Feels very thin. Perhaps like butter scraped over- well you know the rest.
There already is a movie! The Hunt for Gollum is a fan film from 2009, one of the best Lord of the Rings fan films. The cool answer is you make a movie about the Rangers that Aragorn is a part of since they were cut entirely from the movies, and you probably do a movie were a bunch of them are stuck in Mordor with Gollum trying to get out and they keep dying, like predator style or something because they are being hunted by Orcs. The real answer is with a lot of made up stuff. There's a lot to work with in the sense that it Gollum is running around looking for Bilbo for 30 years, bit details are sparse. Gollum leaves to follow Bilbo and 20 something years later Gandalf gets suspicious of the Ring and sends Aragorn to go find Gollum. Gollum gets captured once by the Mirkwood elves, once by Mordor, and once by Galadriel, and interrogated every time but that's not necessarily a good story for a movie. In the published version Aragorn doesn't even get into Mordor, he finds Gollum at the dead marshes, hence how gollum knows his way through it in the movie. I don't think it's that ridiculous a premise, so long as they understand a genre change is going to be important. It can't really be another high epic fantasy like Return of the King, it's much more a detective movie or a cat and mouse chase. Or Taken style action movie at worst. But I don't really have faith in the production after the debacle with the Hobbit and my mild disappointment with Rings of Power. They are making the movie so the rights don't revert back to...it was Saul Zant company so I guess Embracer Group now? Or maybe Tolkien Estate? It's such a mess, but it's a situation like the Sony spider-man one. I just feel bad for Peter Jackson really.
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Arguably the shortest book in the franchise was split into 3 movies, how dare you under estimate the power of money
I'm confident that Peter Jackson can make a small story much longer than necessary.
It has been a while since I read the books, but if I remember correctly it's when Gollum steals a submarine and Frodo has to figure out whether he's defecting or trying to start a nuclear war.
Does frodo get his ring destroyed by sailors?
Give me a fish, Vasili. One raw, wriggling fish only please.
The hunt for fair use Tolkien IP.
sounds desperate as fuck
Here’s quote from Zaslav when announcing this > “Lord of the Rings is one of the most successful and revered franchises in history and presents a significant opportunity for our theatrical business,”
I hate that fucker
Does he understand why it's one of the most successful and revered franchises?
David Zazlav, billionaire CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, was invited to speak at Boston University Commencement during the writer’s strike (?!). Not only was Zazlav loudly booed by protesters during his entire speech, outgoing President Brown was also booed throughout his introduction at his last Commencement Ceremony. Brown, extremely wealthy himself, then sent an email crying about “cancel culture.”
Seriously. Feels like some studio execs saw people comparing dune to the lord of the rings and started shouting “more lord of the rings!1!11!”
There are no other epic fantasies in existence
I feel like even 3 consecutive scenes of Gollum would already start to get tiring to watch
Oh, but it won't just be Gollum! We will see Legolas help with the hunting and have a crazy cgi action scene for no reason! Aragon will surley be there, played by someone else, because VM wants no part of it. We will also finally get to find out how Gimli got his axe!! Everyone always wondered what the story behind his axe was, right? Now we get to spend several scenes that reveal that it was his probably grandfather's axe and was passed down to him!
Many years ago, when I was beginning my acting career I worked on a short independent film called 'The Hunt For Gollum'. The story follows Aragorn and his... Well... Hunt For Gollum.. Maybe I can get my agent to call up Andy. [The Hunt For Gollum on YT](https://youtu.be/uZWuxEwqYzM?si=7k9RSejktczoh-gm)
I remember when this came out! Honestly don't know how much more you could do with the concept, it works way better as a short film.
WB have immediately copyright striked it
Holy shit. I remember this. It was awesome
You should sue lol
Lmao, WB striked it.
I remember seeing it when it was released and quite enjoying it. Great work.
They saw how literally everyone first reaction to the announcement of that abomination gollum game are "Why the fuck would we want to play as Gollum??" Then decided to make a gollum movie. Because why play it when you can watch 3 hours of gollum right?
Maybe they will just stitch all the cut-scenes from the game together with a sprinkling of CGI and call it a day.
Just stop, Jesus Christ.
Please don't.
That is incredibly…concerning.
The Legend of Tom Bombadil *starring Jack Black*
You're onto something here >Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo! >By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow, >By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us! >Come, Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us! Picture that as a Tenacious D song, with Black giving it everything he has and it's amazing.
So I guess we can kiss those Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, Braindead and Heavenly Creatures restorations he promised goodbye so... Personally I'd be much more interested in seeing him go back to his roots and tackle another over the top horror comedy.
Or another doc, his world war 1 thing was really good.
Also Get Back, the Beatles doc was class.
I would die for a Peter Jackson style Beach Boys Doc centered around the recording of SMiLE. I know we’re getting a Frank Marshall one soon, but that’s just gonna be a standard style of documentary not the “in the room with them” style that Peter Jackson nailed.
It was such a treat to get Drag Me To Hell from Sam Raimi after making the Spidey trilogy.
Imagine the fun if he had a blood/Savini budget equivalent to the Hobbits CGI budget.
Do the creators of LOTR content understand the character of Gollum at all? He isn’t a beloved, misunderstood misfit, he’s loathsome, his fate is already sealed so there’s not even room for a redemption arc. There’s nothing I want less from that universe than to watch more Gollum.
Does anyone think this is a good idea , I mean milking the return of the king appendix is already pretty limiting but still in the 300 stories you could tell you choose Gollum ? Studio execs really don’t know anything about the properties they want to adapt
Agree. Gollum is unpalatable.
You could do a young Aragorn story. Start with him as a kid, meet some more Rangers, see how he met Arwen. Anything is more interesting Hell, do a movie about Angmar and the Witch King, that shit would be awesome. And they are allowed to do it since it’s in the appendices
I think your 2nd idea is the best possible source material to adapt , the first is what I think they will do because they just want famous characters prequels , it reminds me of the solo prequel …
God, please don't
If I’m being honest, I’m not entirely confident in Serkis as a director. His movies have been mediocre at best. That does not take away from his performances in front of the camera imo, I know he’s done second unit stuff but his actual directing filmography is middle of the road :/
I am really surprised to hear Jackson and co are involved. I am also a little disappointed that the first thing they announce was already a fan film in 2009, but it makes sense I suppose. That hunt and such is probably the most adaptable piece from the appendices.
I hope this ends up being like Rogue One. Not part of the main series, but super fun standalone adventure movie, that fits in well but doesn’t overshadow anything or ruin existing plot lines. The Hobbit for all its faults and weird shoved in sub-plots, still says pretty faithful to the lore or at least adapts it in such a way that it doesn’t overall screwup the entire Tolkien universe. Rings of Power just fucks up everything, so if it can’t be as good as Lotr at least be like the Hobbit.
"It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came!" On a serious note nobody wants this. The Jackson trilogy is a masterpiece of cinema.
For f*ck sake ! Enough already with the neverending milking of old glories ! Do SF and fantasy literature still have tons of very good stories to adapt ? You know what? How about a complete original story?
> How about a complete original story? How dare you.
Jackson couldn't save those Hobbit movies. Rings of Power was a mess too. Just let it be.
PJ didn’t even want to make the hobbit films. He stepped in because the director left. And he wasn’t even involved in RoP. If he is in from the beginning I have hope the quality will fall between LoTR and the Hobbit movies.
So saw how well that Gollum game did and want a piece of the pie for themselves!
If there's one thing about LotR, whenever filmmakers go off-book and start adding new stuff to an adaptation it definitely won't go sideways.
no please no god no no no no