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donniedenier

yup i feel you there and everyone calls me crazy because “ai isn’t making anything super interesting right now” but that’s such a short sighted answer. i make music for me, though. it’s like therapy to me. just a way to escape my own head for a few hours and create something tangible out of it. ai will never ‘create.’ it will only ever replicate. be you and express yourself. that will always be more valuable than an algorithm doing it.


Dyeeguy

I think it’s funny that this anxiety is coming from people who don’t even have a career in music production. I mean i don’t either, but that is why nothing is changing for me lol Maybe funny is not the best term to use, but if you step back and think about it, the anxiety isn’t so logical I guess i fear for the state of music in general but not really myself, i still like to make music no matter what


Professional-Fox3722

Music means a lot more than a job.


Dyeeguy

Exactly


Madsummer420

I personally would never listen to an “artist” if I knew they used AI to make their music, and I know a lot of people feel the same way. I’d rather listen to a real human artist even if the result is less perfect and polished. Don’t worry about AI, just keep making your music and put your soul into it.


applecandycaramel

Thank you for your kind words. That is encouraging. Just curious.. how do you personally feel about artist that don’t make their own music? Like big pop stars churned out by the big labels? (Ariana, taylor swift, etc..) Are you a music producer yourself?


Madsummer420

Im not a big fan of pop stars who just get songs written for them, but I don’t mind if a pop artist works with other songwriters. I think Taylor Swift is really talented. I make rock/alternative music myself


brutishbloodgod

What's changed, exactly? There are already producers who are better than you and the chances of any particular producer getting to the level of even modest recognition are, within a margin of error, zero, to say nothing of getting to a level where you can make a living off your music. AI music generation, once it ramps up in quality, will but just another producer among others, and will be equally incapable of expressing *your* particular perspective and aesthetic. Granted, a lot of people are going to get onboard the instant bespoke music train, but people who actually care about music aren't just interested in quality as some single-value metric. If you're making good music, then the demographic who's going to be interested in AI music probably wouldn't have cared about your music in the first place. One can already use MIDI programming to produce compositions that no human can play, but people still love watching videos of people shredding on an instrument. A computer can do it "better," but that's not what makes it interesting.


Professional-Fox3722

But soon you'll be able to put out videos of "people" shredding, and real people won't be able to tell that everything about it is completely generated by AI.


KeplerNorth

I've been making music for over 20 years. Started when I was 15 on Reason. The thing is, making music is just complete self expression. AI can never do that. Sure, it can make something competently written, but it can never be you and it can never take away who you are as an artist. It can be depressing seeing something just come out of nowhere and have a high level of competency at something you've worked so hard at, but it still can never be you.


Professional-Fox3722

The depressing part is that it eventually can become me. If I see any modicum of success, my music will eventually be sampled by AI, and anybody will be able to create music that has my sound within seconds.


Oussama_Sayka

Keep making music like designer still making art. In my opinion Ai will give more value to the natural music. If Ai took over everything somehow i will still make music loving the process and definitely people will still listen to it.


Ruined_Oculi

You're a human being. You have a unique ability to create something new that machine learning will never have. Might be harder to stand out with a flood of cheap and easy derivative music but rise up to the challenge my friend. If anything it'll create a market for genuine musicians.


eseffbee

The situation you're facing isn't really about AI. It's more about this sentence: "a large part of my motivation comes from the fact that I will add value to the world". It sounds like you are subconsciously trying to use music as a way of getting external validation. It is also framed in a marketised, commodified way - a thing of value for others, and AI being "better" than you. This is quite a problematic approach because it ties your whole purpose, time and value into something you ultimately have no control over. If you make a song which you enjoy listening to personally and which brought you joy in the making of it, does it really have no value if there isn't another person telling you it's valuable? Music can be valuable in lots of ways. It sounds like you're not valuing yourself, and what the music process does for you, very much. External validation won't resolve that problem. Key example: Thom Yorke had a nervous breakdown after Radiohead's OK Computer took off, because he realised success did not fix him, he was just depressed and successful now. You need to reflect and reframe your thoughts on how you value yourself. Talking this through with a therapist might just change your life.


applecandycaramel

Thank you for this. You might be right. I need to think about the reason why I am doing this more. You seem like you don’t care about other’s validation. Can you give me advice to value myself and not seek external validation?


eseffbee

I myself found that question a very difficult one at the first ask. I think the answer needs to be one that makes sense for you. (I definitely still seek out people's advice and guidance, BTW, but I try not to let that affect my self worth so much.) One great piece of advice I got which can improve anyone's life is to start judging yourself like you would a loved one. So for your situation, instead of thinking: "this AI thing is way better than my own music. If it adds no value to the world then my music is a waste" you can reframe your situation like this: "{applecandycaramel's best friend} makes their own music. They enjoy spending their time doing that and they are trying to get better at it and they hope to make something other people will enjoy." Would you think your best friend was wasting their time? Even if no one really enjoys the music but your best friend still enjoys making it, is this a waste of time or not valuable? How would you feel if your friend was depressed? Like most people, I imagine you'd think this situation is actually pretty cool and your friend should keep at it if they enjoy it! Consider how you don't give applecandycaramel the same support and love as you would applecandycaramel's best friend in the exact same situation. This should help you get a better grip on your own self value. After all, that cool friend is you!


TotSaM-

AI "artists" will never replace real artists. There is never not going to be a market for music that is created by real artists with a real message to share, who put effort and emotion into their compositions. Sure AI music might replace some elements of the musical world (ie. commercial jingles, tv soundtrack scoring) but I do not think a time is ever going to come when people set aside the artists they love for some chud with a Suno account that fancies themselves "a creative type."


Kuai77

AI will only replace bad producers, I am not worried.


MusicCityRebel

It's motivating me. Ai sounds like crap to me anyway


AntimelodyProject

If you love to make music, AI can't do nothing to prevent it. And if you want to earn money from music then it always has been a bit kind of gamble. Personally there is not much people that like to listen my music, just like AI generated music. So I guess we are in even situation. Long story short: nothing has changed.


themoistwanted

If you don't want AI to take over your music production, don't use AI in your production. It's not going to change anything for the vast majority of producers and will not become a requirement or the norm. I hate to bring this news to you, but AI is NOT going to devalue your music. Music has already been devalued so much by streaming I don't think it will ever have anywhere close to the value it used to have. That's a whole other can of worms though. The point is, if you're worried about AI in music production to a point where you feel the value/motivation is gone for you, then this music production thing probably isn't for you. You have to derive value from this in another form besides plays and likes and dollar sales or what people think of it, otherwise you will never be happy with what you make.


applecandycaramel

Can you elaborate more on how music has been devalued by streaming? Also I don’t necessarily need people to like my music, or get money from it.. but it’s like this.. if I make music but nobody needs it, i am not contributing to the world in a meaningful way since nobody needs my service.


themoistwanted

Well, nobody “needed” the Beatles before they knew who they were. And what I mean is that people used to actually buy music, like as in physical records or cds and these costs would end up going back to the artist. That was where the value of music came from (there’s also concerts but I’m just focusing on music sales here) and it was much more sustainable as an artist to live off of that value. Nowadays there’s really no reason to “buy” an album because you pay a monthly fee for a streaming service where you can listen to all music from all of time. But what you’re spending on that monthly fee doesn’t go directly to your favorite artist, it gets split up between all artists according to their respective stream count. You can look up how the payouts get broken up for each streaming service, but Spotify is the biggest platform and has the smallest payout which is like $0.004 or something per stream. So if I put out an album for $5 and 1 person buys it from me, I get $5. If I wanted to make $5 from Spotify alone, it would take around 1250 streams to get there. To make a living these days from releasing music alone, you have to generate so many streams per release, it’s just not feasible for the majority of artists, even professional ones. And if you follow the news Spotify continues to reduce the amount they pay artists and charge even more for their subscription, clearly signaling that the music itself is not worth very much to them. Sorry for rambling there, but the point is that the trends in the music industry over the last 25 years have progressively sapped away the value of digital music while also essentially making physical purchases of music a thing of the past, leaving us with the problem we have now of music streaming not being a viable option for supporting the artists that create the music we listen to. AI will not change that. Spotify will not be the ones to change that. Your local record store won’t be able to change that. It’s on us, the listeners, to demonstrate that we value music more than the industry currently does and to change our listening and purchasing habits to reflect that value. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk


brooklynbluenotes

>Can you elaborate more on how music has been devalued by streaming? Quite literally in value -- people used to pay $15 for one album, and a few of those bucks actually made it back to the musicians. Now you pay $15/month to Spotify for Basically Every Album Ever, and the musicians get a few percentages of a penny.


wavespeech

The future of 'real' music will be the live experience, or a real DJ. It's a while away yet but the current generation of kids won't care. IMHO


[deleted]

What evidence you have of A.I making crazy shit on its own ?


Vigilante_Dinosaur

AI won't replicate what a human makes with passion. AI makes content based on things that are already in existence. Anyways, a rise in AI generated music - which will happen - will probably increase the desire for music that isn't perfect and consumers of music will crave art with minor human errors, inconsistencies, and imperfections.


cacturneee

what makes a song "better" to you


FogTub

Only people that produce elevator techno with auto tune Jarjar Binks vocals need to worry about it.


alyxonfire

AI music can’t be copyrighted yet so at least there’s that


The_Archlich

If you can't compete with a very low level of AI music after 15 years, you were never going to make it. You just wasted 15 years of your life of your own accord, so you should be thankfull to AI, since now you can use it as a (false) excuse of why you failed.


EricDirec

Paraphrasing someone else on the internet: " AI accidentally convinced me of the concept of a human soul, because I see what art is without it"


This-Was

There's millions of people out there making "better" music than me. Always has been and always will be. But it's not *MY* music. A.I. generated music will probably oversaturate an already oversaturated market... and get much better before it then gets worse. I believe it will probably end up even more homogenised than it sounds now, once it starts training on it's own creations.


GruverMax

AI is incapable of making good music. I can say that with confidence. It can probably make a simulation of music that some people can't tell the difference, and for them that's enough. Oh well, that kind of schlock has existed since the beginning of the recording industry. I'm interested in the greats. I'm interested in Pops Staples playing a guitar that appears as glowing embers beneath the fingers as his family sing with incredible feeling about how they want to get to heaven. I'm interested in snotty punk singers who are mad at the DMV expressing their rage with one note guitar solos. These people work in the realm of feelings and that's going to remain of interest for some time. I still get work as a drummer with a home studio, despite the fact people can do anything they want with programmed beats. But they haven't spent 40 years deconstructing drum beats and developing a feeling for what works. They like what I do, despite the uneven hits or whatever flaws are present. It sounds like a person is playing it, and thus it sounds like that kind of music should. That's not disappearing in my lifetime I will bet. I hear you can now add "drift" to your programmed drum beats to keep them from being too perfect, and larf. The thing is, I do know drummers who drift like maniacs, and they make it sound a certain way. Inevitably they speed up the intense part because it FEELS intense. Happens every time. That's different than a machine using some randomizer program to make "human" mistakes to fool the ear. Stick with deeply felt, well performed music with good human singers and musicians. AI is a blip on the side, not related to what you do.


klavijaturista

I listen to human made music. These machine learning models just regurgitate what’s already there, they were trained on existing music. Don’t worry and create if you have the need to. „AI” will probably automate production music and boring stuff.


Dull-Mix-870

AI responds: Please gather up all your instruments and drop them off at the door on your way out. Your services are no longer needed.


heyitsvonage

I don’t make music because I’m the best at doing it, I do it because I enjoy it. Since there are already a bunch of regular ass humans who are doing it better than you, how is the fact that machines are doing it any more important? I don’t know about other people, but I wouldn’t enjoy a song as much once I found out it wasn’t mad by an actual person, even if I enjoyed it initially. Knowing it came from a machine stealing other people’s ideas would ruin it, for me personally.


MosskeepForest

AI doesn't make music.... PEOPLE using AI make music. How you produce music is up to you, but the idea that you can't make music because other artists are using latest tech to make their own music is silly.


prod_dustyb

I'm not following. How does AI stop you from producing music?


raistlin65

>That is 15 years of not giving up hope that someday I will be good at something and be useful to society by putting my work out to the world. I don't think that was ever the right basket to put all your eggs in to begin with. It was always risky to think you were ever going to be popular, right? So many factors involved in achieving any real recognition. So the biggest drive for a music producer always needs to be the enjoyment of creating music and learning about creating music. The potential for any success is almost always not sustaining, for one reason or another. >How do I cope with AI overnight making music that will be better than me in a couple of years? As I said above, do it because you enjoy it. Otherwise, I guess you could Learn to perform live. People will always want to go and see live people perform. Versus an algorithm. But there are definitely going to be a lot of people competing for that.


Particular-Bother-18

Dude I've got bad news: you have been doing this for 15 years, and somewhere in this world there is a 10year old kid who just bought Ableton and he will be better than you in a year or less. If you are comparing your work to others in a negative way, AI or other artists, it will not work out for you. Nobody is keeping score. AI can create beautiful songs, but so can you. I will create music until I die because it's fun to make something that didn't exist, you need to find the right reasons for why you are doing this


ConclusionDifficult

Ai will be making cheap lift music that people don’t have to pay for. Maybe some generic pop music for people who think K-pop is edgy. Will it be touring or releasing vinyl? I doubt it.


Flufsz

Just make music for yourself and because you enjoy the process. There's no need to compete with anyone else. Allow yourself to be happy doing what you enjoy.


sacredgeometry

If you arent anticipating that you can make music better than AI ever will then you have low standards and are poorly motivated. Music is art. Art is a form of expression. What can an LLM express? Not much without a human and good luck navigating the subtle nuance of music whilst using an LLM as the interface. Thats like trying to pull a splinter out of your eye whilst wearing oven gloves. If the music you are listening to can be made with an LLM I suggest listening to better music. Thats all.


El_Hadji

Since you add value and AI doesn't what is there to worry about?


[deleted]

AI can only make better music than you if you're a bad musician.


TheTurtleCub

What’s the point to keep making music? If you like making music, that is the point. Doing something you like. If you don’t like making music, then indeed there would be no good point. Do things you like


sixwax

Do it for the love, not the money. (Music has never been a good way to make money, btw.)


ntr_usrnme

You’ve got to change your point of view. Why do you think AI music is better than yours? What’s the metric for “good”? Music being art is interpretive. Yes, there are those perfect four chords that always sound good but it doesn’t mean that’s the only thing out there. Make music for yourself. Stop obsessing about making “good” music and just make music. The greatest artists I’ve ever seen couldn’t STOP making art. They were obsessively compelled. They were constantly vomiting art. Some of them made shit forever before something “good” came.