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It’s the same, 6/9 chords have a particular sound to them though but i’m not sure if there’s a clear reason that they’re notated differently. Could be something to do with their semi-quartal quality
That would just be a 9 chord. An add9 chord is specifically when you add a ninth but leave out a sixth or a seventh (for example, the notes C E G Bb D for C9 but C E G D for Cadd9).
You’ve got that backwards, typically it’s an ‘add’ chord if there is no 7th and you are just adding the extension.
However in this case the 6th is acting as a replacement for the 7th so no ‘add’ is needed here either.
But actually I would say that it is common for that particular chord to be voiced that way without the third. The A-D-G is a stack of fourths that really rings and has a vibe of its own. The E would be another fourth below the A, too.
So I do understand about 6 and 9 chords, but what threw me was the way it was written. As someone in another reply said it is a C 6/9. Is it something to do with what is in your reply? Could you expand on that a little bit, my little brain is not quite getting it... 😊
And thanks for the replies...
Do you happen to know why it's written like that? None of the other chord symbols in the picture have an extension listed on the bottom like the 9 is. Why not just list the 9 up there with the 6?
I’m not sure I have a great answer for you, but I will say, anecdotally, that I can only ever remember seeing these chords written as above or as 6/9. It’s probably because extensions are only technically extensions (and thus written on the same superscript line) when the 7th is present… but honestly, my harmony and arranging classes at Berklee were 20 years ago and that’s all my brain is letting me access.
Brilliant... thanks. If you see my reply below that I added, that's why I made this post in the first place - because I wanted to have a play around on my guitar with the chords that are in this Beatles for Jazz songbook.
I am fairly certain this is some sort of real book jazz style rendition, because I have played this live enough times to know for certain that there is not a Db7#9 chord anywhere in the normal version of that song. Nor is that the rhythm to being the song
From what I can tell (and after quickly trying to play what I can see) it looks like a boss’s nova style of the tune, which is hilarious considering the subject matter😂
I can tell you exactly what the book is called! It's a book called 'The Beatles for Jazz Piano'. It's got 11 songs in it, everything from Strawberry Fields Forever to All My Loving. I would just post a picture of an example from the book, but it seems you can only post pictures in your original post not replies? Here are some of the jazz chords to Strawberry Fields Forever:
Jazz Waltz Feel
Am9 / / / / Am9/D / / C9(#11) / / Bm9 / / / E7+(#9) / / / / Am9 / / / / Am9/D / / / / Gadd9 / / / / Cadd9/G / / / / .... And so on it goes with some Dm7(add4), Em7 to Eb7, Dm7(sus4), and a bunch more..... brilliant eh? (It impresses me because I absolutely do not play jazz piano!). (The chords to the original song are pretty basic)....😆🎶
(If you do want me to start a new post with an actual picture from the book, let me know!).
I have to say, as a new member to this sub, I'm impressed with the speed, quantity and of course the quality of all your replies... wonderful, and thanks!👍😊🎶🎶
iT'S a 6/9 chord BUT it has no 3rd, so it's what some call an hybrid chord. It's a quartal structure too (A-D-G-C) with the bass in C. Other way to see it is as a D7sus/C. But the most precise depiction would be "C6/9 no 3rd". All this without considering the melody, that provides the third when it appears.
I should add, the reason I was asking is not because I actually have a piano or a full size keyboard at the moment, but I was going to have a fiddle about and try the chords on my electric guitar. I have an app that you can input the chords and it tells you all the different variations on the fretboard, but that's not a chord symbol that I could input into the app (I don't think you can anyway) 🎸
It’s usually called what it said there C69. It packs the color of extensions without the 7th and really demonstrated how distinctive that 7th is
This one is definite must for a mature sound I think. You don’t wanna be relying on 7ths all the time
Sir (or madam).... You have just introduced me to one of the most awesome covers I think I've ever heard. I mean, who is this guy? I am about to check him out.... Absolutely brilliant stuff, thank you so much!!! 👍😊😊😊❤️🎶
All of Segio Mendes' bands were named Brasil whatever year it was, the 66 version is the one that got radio attention. It's my understanding that the ladies are Americans and learned the Portuguese through imitation.
A couple of people have asked this as well, I think we're still waiting on an answer. A lot of the chords in this book are written in super script, for example
C⁹(#¹¹) / Bm⁹ / C(add ⁹)/G / E⁷(#⁵) - in which everything that is in the brackets is all in superscript, but I can't do that on my phone keypad - unless you know a way how?
I think it's just the way they have done all the chord extensions, but still not sure why one number is on top of the other.... It's all very strange... 😊
I think you are overthinking it. It's just a stylistic thing. The "superscript vs subscript" has no deep meaning to it. It just looks a bit "cleaner" than using the slash in 6/9 or the "add" in 6add9.
Another chord where you may see similar notation is in "sus2/4" (a suspended chord that has both the 2 and the 4). Also in chords that have both the b9 and the #9 - the b9 and the #9 may be notated on top of one another. (Then again, usually this chord would simply be notated as "7alt" any way.)
But the important thing here is that it's different from a standard 9 chord. C9 includes the 7th (it could also be notated as C7/9, or with the two numbers on top of one another). C6/9 doesn't. If you want a "9th chord" with no 6th or 7th, it's notated as "add9".
It's a book called The Beatles For Jazz Piano. I use a website where you can download free PDFs on just about any subject, it's an awesome site. I have a huge PDF collection on all sorts of subjects. I have a massive collection of books on guitars, guitar playing, scales, chords, theory, plus all that again for the piano. And loads of chess books, painting, digital photography... It's all there. I would post a link but I'm probably not allowed, but feel free to send me a PM and I'll send you the link. 👍😊📖
People how can that be a C chord if there is no c in that chord. That root note is not a c it’s an A and the notes in that chord are A D and G which do not follow any chord pattern. I say whoever made that chord was trying to mess with someone
That is awful notation as it should be written as C9 add 6(it’s simpler to read) but it’s the same either way. I don’t know how much theory you know, but it won’t hurt to fully explain this.
Edit: upon reading further comments it appears you do know music theory making everything I said quite pointless. But I will leave it anyways for the strays thst caught this sub or post while browsing that don’t understand theory so they aren’t lost.
What this notation is signalling is that it is a C chord with C in the bass and the notes on top of it are a 9th and a 6th interval away from C.
9 is simply a chord extension as. There are 7 notes in a scale with the first note repeating in a different octave with the 8th note to compete the harmonic sequence. So in the C scale it’s C(1), D(2), E(3), F(4), G(5), A(6), B(7), and finally C(1/8). Any number above 7 is considered an extension, I’m sure you’ve seen 13 or 11 in sheet music before, both are very common extensions in jazz and pop music(you also see *a lot* of this pop up in the late 19th century as harmonic ideas expanded beyond the box they were kept in.)
Scales go into 9,10,11,12 but they are just repeats of earlier notes. So when you see 9 it’s really just the 2nd note in a scale. When in doubt just subtract 7(for the number of different notes) from the large number and you’ll get the answer(ex. 9-7=2). 6 is self explanatory.
Hopefully that helps, that’s not the cleanest explanation but it’s the best I can do virtually.
>That is awful notation as it should be written as C9 add 6
No. It would be C6add9 if you want to use the "add".
You want to start from the C6 chord (C major with an added 6th) and then add a 9th to it. You don't want to start from the C9 chord (C7 with an added 9th) and then add a 6th to it. C9add6 would simply be a more complex way of notating C13.
But most commonly, this chord is notated with a slash: C6/9.
I prefer the cleaner look of the symbol without the "add".
I have a bachelor's degree in music performance and regularly read lead sheets on a daily basis in many different styles to make a living. I have never in my life seen a chord symbol written as "C9add6".
I had never heard this song so I went and listened. Didn’t like it. What am I missing? It sounds like a silly interlude from SpongeBob that got turned into a full song
Lol... You're not allowed to dislike a song by The Beatles, didn't you know that!? It's an unwritten law...
This is one of Paul McCartney's more whimsical tunes, I guess you could say. Still an absolute classic, but I would say it's not one of my favourites, but I still like it. 👍😊
Maybe it’s just me. I actually don’t like the Beatles at all. I understand that they had a big impact on western music culture but my god do their songs put me to sleep.
Lol... Oh my days, it's getting worse, not only do you not like that song, now you're saying you don't like The Beatles...! That's like saying Freddie Mercury can't sing... Lol, only messing of course, each to their own. But I can honestly say I think you might be the first person who's ever (publicly..!) said that they don't like the Beatles. You don't like any of their music? They cover so many genres and so many different styles, it's a bit difficult to understand how anyone could not like them at all. 😉
Yeah I just could never get into their stuff. I am very picky with my sounds though and I do prefer modern music. But like I said, I understand the impact that they had on music and I definitely respect that about them.
Sure... Personally, I love everything from The Beatles to deep house and back again. My mum had a bunch of records by The Beatles so I grew up listening to them, along with T-Rex and a load of others. Then the 90s hit, and clubland and all that came with that said hello, so I became a huge house music fan (and producer). 😊
When you say modern music, what you mean?
Yeah the music I was exposed as a kid was absolute horse shit.
When I say modern music I mean music that has been produced in the last decade or so. I love duos like slenderbodies and Odeza. And bands like glass animals and stick figure. And a ton a solo producer/djs that are extremely under the radar.
Please don’t hate me for not liking the Beatles though! It’s just not my vibe.
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C6/9. C, E, G, A, D. Sounds nice (sorry, had to).
I’ll allow it.
Is it not C6add9? Or is that the same
It’s the same, 6/9 chords have a particular sound to them though but i’m not sure if there’s a clear reason that they’re notated differently. Could be something to do with their semi-quartal quality
6th tones are unique in that they can be considered to replace the 7th, so including the 9 or other extensions doesn’t indicate an “add” chord.
it’s an add9 if you have a 7th in the chord i believe
That would just be a 9 chord. An add9 chord is specifically when you add a ninth but leave out a sixth or a seventh (for example, the notes C E G Bb D for C9 but C E G D for Cadd9).
You’ve got that backwards, typically it’s an ‘add’ chord if there is no 7th and you are just adding the extension. However in this case the 6th is acting as a replacement for the 7th so no ‘add’ is needed here either.
damn you’re so right, i shouldn’t post until i’ve fully woken up. thanks for the correction
Cegads!
It’s a C6/9 chord. The sixth is A and the ninth is D. Both notes are in the written chord on the sheet.
Nice.
There no E on the chord sheet. Is the third often dropped?
There’s a E in the bass clef on the “and” of beat 4.
Thanks. I was only looking at the first part of the measure.
But actually I would say that it is common for that particular chord to be voiced that way without the third. The A-D-G is a stack of fourths that really rings and has a vibe of its own. The E would be another fourth below the A, too.
I’m a bassist and the A-D-G def stuck out to me because we’re tuned to EADG
The 6th of C is the A in the bass of the treble part, the 9th is the D. The 5th is voiced on top.
So I do understand about 6 and 9 chords, but what threw me was the way it was written. As someone in another reply said it is a C 6/9. Is it something to do with what is in your reply? Could you expand on that a little bit, my little brain is not quite getting it... 😊 And thanks for the replies...
This is a common way of writing C 6/9. Don’t get thrown.
Do you happen to know why it's written like that? None of the other chord symbols in the picture have an extension listed on the bottom like the 9 is. Why not just list the 9 up there with the 6?
I’m not sure I have a great answer for you, but I will say, anecdotally, that I can only ever remember seeing these chords written as above or as 6/9. It’s probably because extensions are only technically extensions (and thus written on the same superscript line) when the 7th is present… but honestly, my harmony and arranging classes at Berklee were 20 years ago and that’s all my brain is letting me access.
That was my question too... 👍😊
Is it possible to see this C with the 9 up and 6 down?
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I see. thanks for this clarification.
Nice.
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If you’re playing on guitar it’s sort of a funky cowboy chord 3 3 2 2 3 X But as others have noted, it’s indeed a C6add9
Brilliant... thanks. If you see my reply below that I added, that's why I made this post in the first place - because I wanted to have a play around on my guitar with the chords that are in this Beatles for Jazz songbook.
Thanks, I was trying to figure this out without a guitar and was just contorting my hand and getting confused.
C 6/9. Damn, she fine.
Light latin feel? That never crossed my mind while listening to that song.
I am fairly certain this is some sort of real book jazz style rendition, because I have played this live enough times to know for certain that there is not a Db7#9 chord anywhere in the normal version of that song. Nor is that the rhythm to being the song
Makes sense. Now I want to play a reggae version for fun.
From what I can tell (and after quickly trying to play what I can see) it looks like a boss’s nova style of the tune, which is hilarious considering the subject matter😂
I would imagine the chords would be pretty similar to the original? 😊
I can tell you exactly what the book is called! It's a book called 'The Beatles for Jazz Piano'. It's got 11 songs in it, everything from Strawberry Fields Forever to All My Loving. I would just post a picture of an example from the book, but it seems you can only post pictures in your original post not replies? Here are some of the jazz chords to Strawberry Fields Forever: Jazz Waltz Feel Am9 / / / / Am9/D / / C9(#11) / / Bm9 / / / E7+(#9) / / / / Am9 / / / / Am9/D / / / / Gadd9 / / / / Cadd9/G / / / / .... And so on it goes with some Dm7(add4), Em7 to Eb7, Dm7(sus4), and a bunch more..... brilliant eh? (It impresses me because I absolutely do not play jazz piano!). (The chords to the original song are pretty basic)....😆🎶 (If you do want me to start a new post with an actual picture from the book, let me know!).
“Honestly Paul, I juust luuv to Samba!”
Yeah, also the first chord is just D6.
lol, came here to say WTF about this
Nice.
I have to say, as a new member to this sub, I'm impressed with the speed, quantity and of course the quality of all your replies... wonderful, and thanks!👍😊🎶🎶
If you google "6 9 chord" you'll get the appropriate results.
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So I now really care for music, through ya
iT'S a 6/9 chord BUT it has no 3rd, so it's what some call an hybrid chord. It's a quartal structure too (A-D-G-C) with the bass in C. Other way to see it is as a D7sus/C. But the most precise depiction would be "C6/9 no 3rd". All this without considering the melody, that provides the third when it appears.
I believe it is the “Damn you’re fine” chord
I should add, the reason I was asking is not because I actually have a piano or a full size keyboard at the moment, but I was going to have a fiddle about and try the chords on my electric guitar. I have an app that you can input the chords and it tells you all the different variations on the fretboard, but that's not a chord symbol that I could input into the app (I don't think you can anyway) 🎸
It's how you tell the rest of the band that the jazz chart isn't going back to the top.
It’s usually called what it said there C69. It packs the color of extensions without the 7th and really demonstrated how distinctive that 7th is This one is definite must for a mature sound I think. You don’t wanna be relying on 7ths all the time
C6/9
This is the Brazil 66 arrangement, isn't it
I have no idea what that is! 😊
https://youtu.be/qFe0sc8XW94?si=XeA19QOwTL0GBND0
Sir (or madam).... You have just introduced me to one of the most awesome covers I think I've ever heard. I mean, who is this guy? I am about to check him out.... Absolutely brilliant stuff, thank you so much!!! 👍😊😊😊❤️🎶
He's this guy and yes that's Catwoman/Santa Baby introducing them https://youtu.be/BrZBiqK0p9E?si=6lDKoWdGZm61Om_L
I'm afraid you flummoxed me once again, I have no idea who those women are! 😊
If you didn't Google Eartha Kitt was Catwoman on the Adam West version of Batman and she performed the version of Santa Baby that Madonna impersonated
I recognised that was Eartha Kitt but didn't make any Batwoman connections. Not really my thing... 😊
I know this song from countless adverts, I'm guessing. So who is Brasil 66, the backing band and singers?
All of Segio Mendes' bands were named Brasil whatever year it was, the 66 version is the one that got radio attention. It's my understanding that the ladies are Americans and learned the Portuguese through imitation.
is there a meaning to the 6 being in superscript and the 9 being in subscript?
A couple of people have asked this as well, I think we're still waiting on an answer. A lot of the chords in this book are written in super script, for example C⁹(#¹¹) / Bm⁹ / C(add ⁹)/G / E⁷(#⁵) - in which everything that is in the brackets is all in superscript, but I can't do that on my phone keypad - unless you know a way how? I think it's just the way they have done all the chord extensions, but still not sure why one number is on top of the other.... It's all very strange... 😊
I think you are overthinking it. It's just a stylistic thing. The "superscript vs subscript" has no deep meaning to it. It just looks a bit "cleaner" than using the slash in 6/9 or the "add" in 6add9. Another chord where you may see similar notation is in "sus2/4" (a suspended chord that has both the 2 and the 4). Also in chords that have both the b9 and the #9 - the b9 and the #9 may be notated on top of one another. (Then again, usually this chord would simply be notated as "7alt" any way.) But the important thing here is that it's different from a standard 9 chord. C9 includes the 7th (it could also be notated as C7/9, or with the two numbers on top of one another). C6/9 doesn't. If you want a "9th chord" with no 6th or 7th, it's notated as "add9".
No. It's just a way of notating this chord without using the slash in 6/9 or the "add" in 6add9. Looks a bit cleaner.
So bizarre to me that’s it’s formatted in Figured bass
which book is this taken from Sir? seems like a beginner friendly book
Pretty jazzy chord often times signalling an ending.
It's a book called The Beatles For Jazz Piano. I use a website where you can download free PDFs on just about any subject, it's an awesome site. I have a huge PDF collection on all sorts of subjects. I have a massive collection of books on guitars, guitar playing, scales, chords, theory, plus all that again for the piano. And loads of chess books, painting, digital photography... It's all there. I would post a link but I'm probably not allowed, but feel free to send me a PM and I'll send you the link. 👍😊📖
People how can that be a C chord if there is no c in that chord. That root note is not a c it’s an A and the notes in that chord are A D and G which do not follow any chord pattern. I say whoever made that chord was trying to mess with someone
There’s a C in the bass clef.
Makes more sense
That is awful notation as it should be written as C9 add 6(it’s simpler to read) but it’s the same either way. I don’t know how much theory you know, but it won’t hurt to fully explain this. Edit: upon reading further comments it appears you do know music theory making everything I said quite pointless. But I will leave it anyways for the strays thst caught this sub or post while browsing that don’t understand theory so they aren’t lost. What this notation is signalling is that it is a C chord with C in the bass and the notes on top of it are a 9th and a 6th interval away from C. 9 is simply a chord extension as. There are 7 notes in a scale with the first note repeating in a different octave with the 8th note to compete the harmonic sequence. So in the C scale it’s C(1), D(2), E(3), F(4), G(5), A(6), B(7), and finally C(1/8). Any number above 7 is considered an extension, I’m sure you’ve seen 13 or 11 in sheet music before, both are very common extensions in jazz and pop music(you also see *a lot* of this pop up in the late 19th century as harmonic ideas expanded beyond the box they were kept in.) Scales go into 9,10,11,12 but they are just repeats of earlier notes. So when you see 9 it’s really just the 2nd note in a scale. When in doubt just subtract 7(for the number of different notes) from the large number and you’ll get the answer(ex. 9-7=2). 6 is self explanatory. Hopefully that helps, that’s not the cleanest explanation but it’s the best I can do virtually.
>That is awful notation as it should be written as C9 add 6 No. It would be C6add9 if you want to use the "add". You want to start from the C6 chord (C major with an added 6th) and then add a 9th to it. You don't want to start from the C9 chord (C7 with an added 9th) and then add a 6th to it. C9add6 would simply be a more complex way of notating C13. But most commonly, this chord is notated with a slash: C6/9. I prefer the cleaner look of the symbol without the "add".
Thank you for that..... And no, not pointless at all, it all helps! 👍😊
I have a bachelor's degree in music performance and regularly read lead sheets on a daily basis in many different styles to make a living. I have never in my life seen a chord symbol written as "C9add6".
I had never heard this song so I went and listened. Didn’t like it. What am I missing? It sounds like a silly interlude from SpongeBob that got turned into a full song
Lol... You're not allowed to dislike a song by The Beatles, didn't you know that!? It's an unwritten law... This is one of Paul McCartney's more whimsical tunes, I guess you could say. Still an absolute classic, but I would say it's not one of my favourites, but I still like it. 👍😊
Maybe it’s just me. I actually don’t like the Beatles at all. I understand that they had a big impact on western music culture but my god do their songs put me to sleep.
Lol... Oh my days, it's getting worse, not only do you not like that song, now you're saying you don't like The Beatles...! That's like saying Freddie Mercury can't sing... Lol, only messing of course, each to their own. But I can honestly say I think you might be the first person who's ever (publicly..!) said that they don't like the Beatles. You don't like any of their music? They cover so many genres and so many different styles, it's a bit difficult to understand how anyone could not like them at all. 😉
Yeah I just could never get into their stuff. I am very picky with my sounds though and I do prefer modern music. But like I said, I understand the impact that they had on music and I definitely respect that about them.
Sure... Personally, I love everything from The Beatles to deep house and back again. My mum had a bunch of records by The Beatles so I grew up listening to them, along with T-Rex and a load of others. Then the 90s hit, and clubland and all that came with that said hello, so I became a huge house music fan (and producer). 😊 When you say modern music, what you mean?
Yeah the music I was exposed as a kid was absolute horse shit. When I say modern music I mean music that has been produced in the last decade or so. I love duos like slenderbodies and Odeza. And bands like glass animals and stick figure. And a ton a solo producer/djs that are extremely under the radar. Please don’t hate me for not liking the Beatles though! It’s just not my vibe.
Lol... Hating anyone for not liking certain music would be a really sad way to go through life, my friend 😊
Haha I feel the same way. I’ve gotten intense hate from people after expressing that the Beatles aren’t my favorite band.
Really? Well that says a lot more about them than it does you! 😁
I think it's C6 over 9th which is D So it could be D C E G A.
Wrong, the D is voiced in the upper part of the chord C E G A D (G is optional)
The chord you are discussing would be written C6/D
Am11 with a C in the bass is how I’d hear it.
Hard to hear it as an Am chord when C is the tonic and the root.
Yea. Sorry in this instance the chord has one voicing. When I see these in the wild. I immediately try to make a relative minor voicing