Getting LeBron on the podcast could only have been LeBrons idea. He’s probably been asked to do hundreds of podcasts. JJ just happened to be the one he said yes to.
JJ is the OG pro athlete turned podcaster. If I'm not mistaken he was the first to start a podcast while still playing. If not, I dont know who had one before him. He was definitely the first active NBA player to do it.
So not only is he a progenitor of this podcast format, not a single one of the copycats that followed him can touch his ability as an interviewer. I've been a journalist since I was 16, and JJ's ability to command the show and how the discussion flows, on top of the interesting subjects he brings up and questions his guests about, is an infuriating thing to watch. Shit's NOT easy and he does it looking totally natural.
JJ is the biggest dick in the room for NBA players with podcasts, and, for me, all athletes as podcasters. His refusal to just talk about shit that gets clicks, to actually be a platform for in-depth conversations about the sport, can't be applauded enough IMO
Regardless of whose idea it was (it was for sure JJ's), LeBron takes that call every day when it's JJ on the other end.
Danny Green had his show during the raptors 2019 championship run
The about section on old man and the 3 website says the pod started during the NBA bubble, August 2020
Basketball is too freeform and nonstop to explain concepts like this on TV. You can have a telestrator replay on a football broadcast because the action stops but it's a waste when you could just replay a dunk because of a blown coverage without explaining why/how it happened.
On a live broadcast, yes. But I think the NBA is still far behind the NFL in terms of coverage in talk shows (where there's time to look at and discuss tape) advancing fans' knowledge of the game.
Ultimately, I get it. Narratives/Drama sell in a player-driven league. But still true nonetheless
The other thing football has going for it is multiple days every week with no football, making in depth discussion of scheme and adjustment easier to get mainstream viewers to care about.
But if the NBA wants to be more than a social media highlights league long term, people need to care about the entire games. One way to do that is to get people to care about scheme, matchups, adjustments, strategy...and not just about highlights and gossip
Also the reality is NFL is a much heavier tape based game than the NBA. NFL teams spend most of the week gameplanning a single game, and spend dozens of hours breaking down the film. The NBA also will break down film and try out different gameplans, but that is mostly reserved for the postseason. It makes sense that the Xs and Os are talked about more in football, because they are more prevalent.
Night to night regular season gameplanning is more common than ever in the NBA right now, it's just that scheme in basketball is more 'read and react' than it is in football due to having half as many players in a much smaller space. So breaking it down you would be saying the same thing a lot more than in football, where more players means more things can happen, and what's impressive is just being able to instantaneously make the right decisions over and over.
Ultimately it just comes down to the fact that there isn't a 30 second stoppage between plays.
This is also why the playoffs is so different than the regular season. Teams are almost never game planning for an individual opponent in the regular season.
This is true. And another reason why I'm in favor of a drastically reduced number of regular season games and in turn making each one matter more.
It's not financially viable, but one can dream
I dunno if they are that far behind the NFL shows tbh. They very rarely go much deeper than a principle title. Like people can name drop Shanahan & zone read, I doubt any show has ever explained what it means or most fans know anything beyond the RBs are good for fantasy.
You still have to dig into YouTube channels to get anything like this show.
Agree with this, but also the most hard core tactical football shows always get the crap 7am or midnight time slots, the analysis gets dumber the closer it is to the games.
That’s an excuse. We’ve seen scheme-knowledgeable people provide alternate commentary for games, especially during the Playoffs, for several years now, and they have no issues calling out the alignments, the sets and actions, the coverages and the tactics battle happening live as they see it.
really? I appreciate some of the things he points out (though I think his basketball IQ is several notches below some of those other channels), but man I find him to be so grating -- he just screams and yells and the entire channel is built around negativity and calling everyone morons haha. Like I prefer channels that discuss high level basketball concepts without seeming so harsh and negative.
like my god, this is the polar opposite of stuff like Mind the Game and Thinking Basketball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXrhlL3DzsY&ab_channel=AwfulCoaching
he might have some good insight but I think his delivery is absolutely awful. And I also think he is a bit too "results" based -- like he will scream "NO ISO YOU IDIOT, WAiT FOR A SCREEN" but that isn't necessarily always the right advice, he's just screaming it cause the shot missed. Screaming that a wide open Derrick White corner 3 is a terrible shot when it misses.
Even in that video he says 'WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ISO AGAINST AN ELITE DEFENDER LIKE KLAY THOMPSON" Klay isn't even almost an elite defender anymore and Jaylen was in transition, this isn't nearly as stupid as he is implying. I don't think he is as smart as a lot of these other guys and he just covers it up by being so loud
There’s breakdown but even they don’t really know what’s going on, they’re also just watching from home and making their best guess of what a team is doing.
They don't have the same insight as players obviously but to say they don't know what's going on is unfair. Teams copy each other and run the same actions over and over so they recognize the patterns, understand why teams are doing it, etc.
I mean some really aren’t great lol. Coach nick with bballbreakdown will regularly just create narratives and try to explain why in depth.
But is an idiot who got fired from coaching hs basketball.
Bballbreakdown is really bad these days, I swear half of the time he’s forming a narrative to set up his segue to his manscape sponsor. I’ve long moved on from bballbreakdown
Thinking basketball is miles better.
Explain one play is also really great, it’s warriors only.
I just mean they don’t know what’s going on 100%. Those videos and channels are definitely dope, it’s just refreshing to actually get it from the source
I think a lot of comments are missing a crucial point: the content and access provided within video games.
Football games have always been reliant on calling specific plays every down. For both offense and defense. Over time, this exposes people who have never suited up at any level to tactics, ideas, and visual representations of strategy: the WR route tree, audibles, coverage schemes, blitzing, weak/strong side, etc.
Basketball games don't have that nearly as much. There are few plays, and they're mainly on offense. Hence, people knowing about screens and pick-and-rolls. Of course, these are the terms that are also discussed the most on TV. They are the backbone of offenses. Laymen may know what slashing means, less probably recognize backdoor cuts. Defensive schemes are never mentioned outside of match-ups for man defense (this may have changed in the last few years, but I stopped playing NBA games around 2021 or so). Zone defense is a pretty easy term to understand inherently, but it's implementation can vary by a lot. When has NBA2K or NBA Live ever let you select a box-and-one when you're in the middle of defense? I believe calling for a trap has come in only within the last few years (if it even has?).
There has typically been ways to scheme and strategize, but it's hidden behind menus and coaching tabs. It's not necessary. No tactics are really necessary. You just learn how to dribble and shoot and pass. From there you can enjoy the game. Much lower barrier for entry.
>Football games have always been reliant on calling specific plays every down. For both offense and defense. Over time, this exposes people who have never suited up at any level to tactics, ideas, and visual representations of strategy: the WR route tree, audibles, coverage schemes, blitzing, weak/strong side, etc.
I think this is only true if we consider bad information to be better than no information. No team will have a play called Singleback Big HB Dive or I-Form Normal HB Toss, which goes along with what OP is saying about not knowing the NBA terminology. QB's don't make any real reads at the line. You never hear the Mike identified, while you might hear it 100 times in an NFL game. QB's pre-snap cadence or what they yell when you audible means nothing. You can just snap the ball randomly at any time. Audibles work nothing like in real life and you can't check to a play or a check down the way you would in an NFL game. No real pass pro and check down rules are followed. Zone defenses don't really follow rules at all. Defenses don't disguise coverages. You can't look off defenders. Every receiver in a play has equal priority with no read order (this is the worst one to me, because it makes people get mad at QB's in real life, and they had a not terrible solution with the vision cone but people hated it).
If some combination of Tom Brady, Jason Kelce, and like Fred Warner or Ed Reed made a podcast like this, it would be just as illuminating and people like OP would realize they're missing out on just as much information as they are with the LeBron and JJ podcast.
I’ve played and still play 2K. The game gives you the tools to do all of that, but you have to get out of your way to setup your schemes and what not, as well as understanding what they all mean. It’s fairly complex and that’s probably why it’s rarely used by most people (including myself) since it’s more fun to just play the game and not worry about those things, unless you’re trying to do a realistic series or something like that. But yes, I do wish they would try to incorporate it more into the games, it would probably help people understand the complexity of basketball a lot more.
I played High School basketball and generally felt like I have pretty high ball IQ but this podcast showcases how specialized the terminology is for the NBA and the popular concepts of the modern game. Maybe if I had decided to coach I would have picked this all up but I’m glad they’re doing it. We need bball education like this because at the end of the day talent without bball IQ has a ceiling. All youth coaches owe it to their players to not only learn this but basketball fundamentals.
I am a high school coach and former college(Div II) player and the terminology changes and gets more complex as you move up in levels. Plus it evolves over time and the NBA usually evolves first and then their is a trickle down effect to college then high school. I make it a point to never stop learning and listening to others, both coaches and players about the game of basketball. Love this pod with JJ and Bron and have recommended to former players and current and even other coaches if they haven't already started watching it.
Agreed, it is a great addition and hopefully will do a lot to change the narrative around the game. I coached basketball for a decade, and it's awesome to hear a lot of the concepts explained in simple ways. Compared with the NFL where nearly all fans know what a blitz is, how a 4-3 is different than a 3-4, or why/how play action works, it's vastly different where most NBA fans don't know ice, horns, or even flex. I almost wish they would have an unedited cut like when they were talking schemes at the end of the last episode on how to attack different defenses. My brother is a huge basketball fan but doesn't understand the strategy of basketball and this has become his favorite podcast as well. If nothing else, I hope this is a tipping point to bring more basketball strategy discussions to the mainstream.
Well TnT guys can't even understand the spacing in todays PnR coverage.
Shaq got schooled by Candice Parker a couple of years ago and they now don't breakdown PnRs EVER..
Gobert, Brook Lopez and Jokic will get attacked on this PnR mismatches in the Playoffs and they won't even analyze it.
Kenny gives his little board run over breakdown with the most obvious “insight” available. But for the most part that show is just good for old head sound bites and entertainment.
Well they are indeed entertaining. That KD bus ride last couple of years was funny as hell.
but glad that podcasts and other platforms now has the info on how the game is really played today.
Hearing the perspective of one of the greatest minds in basketball is awesome. And having the role player perspective in Reddick is great too. Lebron is basically a playing coach at this point in his career it seems like
I was a pretty good athlete and played multiple sports including basketball...high school and very low level d3 in college...
I don't understand x and os basketball....even watching his podcast, I still can't learn it...I have hardly any idea what they are talking about....
Maybe network TV is for people like me who just will never get it...
I still enjoy the content tho...
I think people would only pay attention to a show like this if it had hosts like JJ and Lebron. Personally I know for a fact I don’t want to hear just anybody talking about it
“One is probably the greatest basketball player of the 21st century”
My guy, LeBron is either #1 or #2 to ever touch a basketball. This seems like a weird qualifier haha
A bit of shameless self promotion here! But my Substack focuses on Xs and Os from a Spurs perspective! Check it out if you’re interested in that side of the game! https://vicandroll.substack.com/p/two-way-upside-coach-popovich-classics
This is not the only podcast that can teach you X’s and O’s and concepts. Terms matter less because different teams have different terms for different or the same actions.
Old school basketball had a lot more flexible offenses and defensive schemes to me. Nowadays the offense is simplified and there’s too much “accidental” offense
You’re wrong. Old school basketball had less flexibility, and each player on the floor was generally a threat to do fewer things. Packed paint meant fewer looks at defensive rotations. Most teams used basic feed & scripted cut set ups. Lots of right side back down dribbles. It was relatively elementary. There were far fewer reads/options built in.
Not true at all. There were more schemes and movement off ball to get players open to create space. The triangle is one example. There was also the box offense and many other sets like Flex and the Princeton offense.
Just because you don’t know what existed in the past doesn’t mean nothing did exist lol that’s the issue I have with posts like these. Pure ignorance
Sir. I’m very familiar. You’re equating cut/screen away options with flexibility, when that threatened far fewer good shot creations than Denver creates out of a hand off pick & roll. There are reasons why teams don’t use that frame anywhere near as often.
So every offense that exists nowadays is equivalent to the Nuggets pick and roll with Gordon lurking and 2 shooters? And with the triangle you have the same options if not more go watch an episode of Detail
Don’t need to watch an episode of Detail. I watched the Bulls plenty on NBC for years, and the Lakers after that.
Here’s the thing: when you have more shooters on the floor, you threaten a larger range of efficient possibilities, and open paint forces larger defensive rotation, which then threatens even more efficient options.
Getting LeBron on the podcast could only have been LeBrons idea. He’s probably been asked to do hundreds of podcasts. JJ just happened to be the one he said yes to.
JJ is the OG pro athlete turned podcaster. If I'm not mistaken he was the first to start a podcast while still playing. If not, I dont know who had one before him. He was definitely the first active NBA player to do it. So not only is he a progenitor of this podcast format, not a single one of the copycats that followed him can touch his ability as an interviewer. I've been a journalist since I was 16, and JJ's ability to command the show and how the discussion flows, on top of the interesting subjects he brings up and questions his guests about, is an infuriating thing to watch. Shit's NOT easy and he does it looking totally natural. JJ is the biggest dick in the room for NBA players with podcasts, and, for me, all athletes as podcasters. His refusal to just talk about shit that gets clicks, to actually be a platform for in-depth conversations about the sport, can't be applauded enough IMO Regardless of whose idea it was (it was for sure JJ's), LeBron takes that call every day when it's JJ on the other end.
Danny Green had his show during the raptors 2019 championship run The about section on old man and the 3 website says the pod started during the NBA bubble, August 2020
that's Old Man and the 3. JJ started his first podcast in 2016 iirc
He also had a pod on yahoo even before that I think
The chronicles of reddick.
Basketball is too freeform and nonstop to explain concepts like this on TV. You can have a telestrator replay on a football broadcast because the action stops but it's a waste when you could just replay a dunk because of a blown coverage without explaining why/how it happened.
On a live broadcast, yes. But I think the NBA is still far behind the NFL in terms of coverage in talk shows (where there's time to look at and discuss tape) advancing fans' knowledge of the game. Ultimately, I get it. Narratives/Drama sell in a player-driven league. But still true nonetheless
The other thing football has going for it is multiple days every week with no football, making in depth discussion of scheme and adjustment easier to get mainstream viewers to care about. But if the NBA wants to be more than a social media highlights league long term, people need to care about the entire games. One way to do that is to get people to care about scheme, matchups, adjustments, strategy...and not just about highlights and gossip
Also the reality is NFL is a much heavier tape based game than the NBA. NFL teams spend most of the week gameplanning a single game, and spend dozens of hours breaking down the film. The NBA also will break down film and try out different gameplans, but that is mostly reserved for the postseason. It makes sense that the Xs and Os are talked about more in football, because they are more prevalent.
Night to night regular season gameplanning is more common than ever in the NBA right now, it's just that scheme in basketball is more 'read and react' than it is in football due to having half as many players in a much smaller space. So breaking it down you would be saying the same thing a lot more than in football, where more players means more things can happen, and what's impressive is just being able to instantaneously make the right decisions over and over. Ultimately it just comes down to the fact that there isn't a 30 second stoppage between plays.
This is also why the playoffs is so different than the regular season. Teams are almost never game planning for an individual opponent in the regular season.
This is true. And another reason why I'm in favor of a drastically reduced number of regular season games and in turn making each one matter more. It's not financially viable, but one can dream
I dunno if they are that far behind the NFL shows tbh. They very rarely go much deeper than a principle title. Like people can name drop Shanahan & zone read, I doubt any show has ever explained what it means or most fans know anything beyond the RBs are good for fantasy. You still have to dig into YouTube channels to get anything like this show.
Silver has mentioned the 1st part before.
Agree with this, but also the most hard core tactical football shows always get the crap 7am or midnight time slots, the analysis gets dumber the closer it is to the games.
You’re ignoring the fact that the nba has by far the dumbest fan base of all the professional sports leagues.
by sample size it's gotta be football (aka soccer in us)
That's a poor excuse - Adam Silver
That’s an excuse. We’ve seen scheme-knowledgeable people provide alternate commentary for games, especially during the Playoffs, for several years now, and they have no issues calling out the alignments, the sets and actions, the coverages and the tactics battle happening live as they see it.
There's a ton of analytical content on YouTube. Thinking Basketball, bballbreakdown, Hoops Tonight to name a few
Even better: half court hoops, coach daniel, the film room
And my new favorite: Awful Coaching.
really? I appreciate some of the things he points out (though I think his basketball IQ is several notches below some of those other channels), but man I find him to be so grating -- he just screams and yells and the entire channel is built around negativity and calling everyone morons haha. Like I prefer channels that discuss high level basketball concepts without seeming so harsh and negative. like my god, this is the polar opposite of stuff like Mind the Game and Thinking Basketball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXrhlL3DzsY&ab_channel=AwfulCoaching he might have some good insight but I think his delivery is absolutely awful. And I also think he is a bit too "results" based -- like he will scream "NO ISO YOU IDIOT, WAiT FOR A SCREEN" but that isn't necessarily always the right advice, he's just screaming it cause the shot missed. Screaming that a wide open Derrick White corner 3 is a terrible shot when it misses. Even in that video he says 'WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ISO AGAINST AN ELITE DEFENDER LIKE KLAY THOMPSON" Klay isn't even almost an elite defender anymore and Jaylen was in transition, this isn't nearly as stupid as he is implying. I don't think he is as smart as a lot of these other guys and he just covers it up by being so loud
It's so bad Nekias Duncan, from the Dunker Spot, who is like the nicest man in sports media publicly shits on his work.
Lol failed attempt by u/FreshShades to promote his shitty channel
Lmao brother I wish I had that much hate flowing through my veins.
lol
There’s breakdown but even they don’t really know what’s going on, they’re also just watching from home and making their best guess of what a team is doing.
They don't have the same insight as players obviously but to say they don't know what's going on is unfair. Teams copy each other and run the same actions over and over so they recognize the patterns, understand why teams are doing it, etc.
I mean some really aren’t great lol. Coach nick with bballbreakdown will regularly just create narratives and try to explain why in depth. But is an idiot who got fired from coaching hs basketball.
Bballbreakdown is really bad these days, I swear half of the time he’s forming a narrative to set up his segue to his manscape sponsor. I’ve long moved on from bballbreakdown Thinking basketball is miles better. Explain one play is also really great, it’s warriors only.
I just mean they don’t know what’s going on 100%. Those videos and channels are definitely dope, it’s just refreshing to actually get it from the source
I think a lot of comments are missing a crucial point: the content and access provided within video games. Football games have always been reliant on calling specific plays every down. For both offense and defense. Over time, this exposes people who have never suited up at any level to tactics, ideas, and visual representations of strategy: the WR route tree, audibles, coverage schemes, blitzing, weak/strong side, etc. Basketball games don't have that nearly as much. There are few plays, and they're mainly on offense. Hence, people knowing about screens and pick-and-rolls. Of course, these are the terms that are also discussed the most on TV. They are the backbone of offenses. Laymen may know what slashing means, less probably recognize backdoor cuts. Defensive schemes are never mentioned outside of match-ups for man defense (this may have changed in the last few years, but I stopped playing NBA games around 2021 or so). Zone defense is a pretty easy term to understand inherently, but it's implementation can vary by a lot. When has NBA2K or NBA Live ever let you select a box-and-one when you're in the middle of defense? I believe calling for a trap has come in only within the last few years (if it even has?). There has typically been ways to scheme and strategize, but it's hidden behind menus and coaching tabs. It's not necessary. No tactics are really necessary. You just learn how to dribble and shoot and pass. From there you can enjoy the game. Much lower barrier for entry.
>Football games have always been reliant on calling specific plays every down. For both offense and defense. Over time, this exposes people who have never suited up at any level to tactics, ideas, and visual representations of strategy: the WR route tree, audibles, coverage schemes, blitzing, weak/strong side, etc. I think this is only true if we consider bad information to be better than no information. No team will have a play called Singleback Big HB Dive or I-Form Normal HB Toss, which goes along with what OP is saying about not knowing the NBA terminology. QB's don't make any real reads at the line. You never hear the Mike identified, while you might hear it 100 times in an NFL game. QB's pre-snap cadence or what they yell when you audible means nothing. You can just snap the ball randomly at any time. Audibles work nothing like in real life and you can't check to a play or a check down the way you would in an NFL game. No real pass pro and check down rules are followed. Zone defenses don't really follow rules at all. Defenses don't disguise coverages. You can't look off defenders. Every receiver in a play has equal priority with no read order (this is the worst one to me, because it makes people get mad at QB's in real life, and they had a not terrible solution with the vision cone but people hated it). If some combination of Tom Brady, Jason Kelce, and like Fred Warner or Ed Reed made a podcast like this, it would be just as illuminating and people like OP would realize they're missing out on just as much information as they are with the LeBron and JJ podcast.
I’ve played and still play 2K. The game gives you the tools to do all of that, but you have to get out of your way to setup your schemes and what not, as well as understanding what they all mean. It’s fairly complex and that’s probably why it’s rarely used by most people (including myself) since it’s more fun to just play the game and not worry about those things, unless you’re trying to do a realistic series or something like that. But yes, I do wish they would try to incorporate it more into the games, it would probably help people understand the complexity of basketball a lot more.
There’s also the issue that pick and rolls are the meta in 2k so people only learn how pick and rolls work
Also true. Why try to run plays when spamming picks gets you baskets every time?
I didn't read all that but you're right about Video games
I played High School basketball and generally felt like I have pretty high ball IQ but this podcast showcases how specialized the terminology is for the NBA and the popular concepts of the modern game. Maybe if I had decided to coach I would have picked this all up but I’m glad they’re doing it. We need bball education like this because at the end of the day talent without bball IQ has a ceiling. All youth coaches owe it to their players to not only learn this but basketball fundamentals.
I am a high school coach and former college(Div II) player and the terminology changes and gets more complex as you move up in levels. Plus it evolves over time and the NBA usually evolves first and then their is a trickle down effect to college then high school. I make it a point to never stop learning and listening to others, both coaches and players about the game of basketball. Love this pod with JJ and Bron and have recommended to former players and current and even other coaches if they haven't already started watching it.
Agreed, it is a great addition and hopefully will do a lot to change the narrative around the game. I coached basketball for a decade, and it's awesome to hear a lot of the concepts explained in simple ways. Compared with the NFL where nearly all fans know what a blitz is, how a 4-3 is different than a 3-4, or why/how play action works, it's vastly different where most NBA fans don't know ice, horns, or even flex. I almost wish they would have an unedited cut like when they were talking schemes at the end of the last episode on how to attack different defenses. My brother is a huge basketball fan but doesn't understand the strategy of basketball and this has become his favorite podcast as well. If nothing else, I hope this is a tipping point to bring more basketball strategy discussions to the mainstream.
Well TnT guys can't even understand the spacing in todays PnR coverage. Shaq got schooled by Candice Parker a couple of years ago and they now don't breakdown PnRs EVER.. Gobert, Brook Lopez and Jokic will get attacked on this PnR mismatches in the Playoffs and they won't even analyze it.
Kenny gives his little board run over breakdown with the most obvious “insight” available. But for the most part that show is just good for old head sound bites and entertainment.
Well they are indeed entertaining. That KD bus ride last couple of years was funny as hell. but glad that podcasts and other platforms now has the info on how the game is really played today.
The bus rider skit had me in tears, best thing they’ve done in awhile lmao I respect the show and others like first take, etc., for what they are
Hearing the perspective of one of the greatest minds in basketball is awesome. And having the role player perspective in Reddick is great too. Lebron is basically a playing coach at this point in his career it seems like
Kobe Bryant’s ‘Details’ paved the way for something like this to be successful. It was wildly popular with both consumers and players.
I was a pretty good athlete and played multiple sports including basketball...high school and very low level d3 in college... I don't understand x and os basketball....even watching his podcast, I still can't learn it...I have hardly any idea what they are talking about.... Maybe network TV is for people like me who just will never get it... I still enjoy the content tho...
lol, no. there are many YT channels that break down plays and define terms. maybe you've just never heard of them
I think people would only pay attention to a show like this if it had hosts like JJ and Lebron. Personally I know for a fact I don’t want to hear just anybody talking about it
“One is probably the greatest basketball player of the 21st century” My guy, LeBron is either #1 or #2 to ever touch a basketball. This seems like a weird qualifier haha
A bit of shameless self promotion here! But my Substack focuses on Xs and Os from a Spurs perspective! Check it out if you’re interested in that side of the game! https://vicandroll.substack.com/p/two-way-upside-coach-popovich-classics
This is not the only podcast that can teach you X’s and O’s and concepts. Terms matter less because different teams have different terms for different or the same actions. Old school basketball had a lot more flexible offenses and defensive schemes to me. Nowadays the offense is simplified and there’s too much “accidental” offense
You’re wrong. Old school basketball had less flexibility, and each player on the floor was generally a threat to do fewer things. Packed paint meant fewer looks at defensive rotations. Most teams used basic feed & scripted cut set ups. Lots of right side back down dribbles. It was relatively elementary. There were far fewer reads/options built in.
Not true at all. There were more schemes and movement off ball to get players open to create space. The triangle is one example. There was also the box offense and many other sets like Flex and the Princeton offense. Just because you don’t know what existed in the past doesn’t mean nothing did exist lol that’s the issue I have with posts like these. Pure ignorance
Sir. I’m very familiar. You’re equating cut/screen away options with flexibility, when that threatened far fewer good shot creations than Denver creates out of a hand off pick & roll. There are reasons why teams don’t use that frame anywhere near as often.
So every offense that exists nowadays is equivalent to the Nuggets pick and roll with Gordon lurking and 2 shooters? And with the triangle you have the same options if not more go watch an episode of Detail
Don’t need to watch an episode of Detail. I watched the Bulls plenty on NBC for years, and the Lakers after that. Here’s the thing: when you have more shooters on the floor, you threaten a larger range of efficient possibilities, and open paint forces larger defensive rotation, which then threatens even more efficient options.
That you have terrible taste in podcasters?