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ItsKBS

73.1% TS is beyond insane


AtWorkAndOnReddit

The Harden slander has been outrageous, after what he did for the 76ers last postseason. Never understood the hate he receives.


Haffaith

And he took a $10 mil pay cut for the Sixers to sign Danuel House and PJ Tucker. I have always argued the Sixers made a wink wink deal to give him a max deal and they reneged. No matter what they say now. He has proved time and again that he is a good teammate.


darkest__timeline

He has also said the same thing. That they promised him a max when he signed the 1+1 deal on a paycut.


mryessirskiii

Then Philly fans tried to argue he was in the wrong and acted like Morey of all fuckin people was some unsung hero lol


Shootit_Rockets

Daryl Morey is a liar (and might be the reason PG doesn’t sign with the Sixers in the offseason)


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Bro, Nic Claxton told us that the Nets locker room wasn’t the same after Harden left. Maxey has directly benefited from Harden tutoring but hey he is bad teammate because he didn’t want to compete with Demarcus Cousins, John Wall and old antivaxx self form of Kyrie after playing on one leg during the Bucks series.


goldyacht

He’s very disliked by fans and a lot of media, people were saying he should’ve been benched for Russ when he got to the clippers which was literally just a brain dead take if you watch basketball in any capacity. People generally aren’t even objective when discussing harden unless absolutely forced to like they are today.


Niceguydan8

> people were saying he should’ve been benched for Russ when he got to the clippers which was literally just a brain dead take if you watch basketball in any capacity. Some people still unironically think this. The Locked on Clippers guy (@Dime Dropper) is one of them. Just supremely low bball iq.


JimmyV34

He will never like him, i know he is going give him credit for today's performance but once he struggles, he will start whining bout the trade again


Jem479

Honestly think some of it is that he doesn’t give a shit about his rep or the media so he doesn’t get the puff pieces other guys get or media connections who will discredit negative reports. Didn’t he not have an agent?


amh85

Yeah, a relative handling agent duties and no one to put out PR from his side so people would only hear the teams perspective


Downunderphilosopher

How about now?


darkest__timeline

I mean a lot of it is from your fanbase. More hate for him than Kyrie lol


stinky_pinky_brain

I hate how he’s a flopper but he’s fucking amazing as a player.


beginnerLiftersoonBB

He quit on us, twice. Miami heat series 2 seasons ago and Celtics last season. It was very obvious he didn’t give a shit I don’t wish anything bad for harden but I do not miss him one bit, if we had him now we’d still lose in the 2nd round like always. it’s time for a rebuild


kunallanuk

He almost single handedly won y'all 2 games last year while dealing with some lingering injuries, including one game without Embiid He wasn't great in every game but that series is on Doc and your overall team just not being that good


beginnerLiftersoonBB

Of course it’s not all on harden.(he’s the only reason we won 2) Embiid didn’t show up (no surprise) doc sucked (no suprise) and in both 6/7 against the Celtics harden was a no show and his body language showed he didn’t give a fuck. Like I said no hate to him I’m glad he’s hooping again but I stand what I said. Even with him now , we wouldn’t touch an ECF


Shootit_Rockets

He was the best player for y’all in the Boston series


beginnerLiftersoonBB

Agreed. He still quit in 6/7 2 things can be true


hTine3219

Lmao he’s literally the reason yall even pushed that series He drops 45 with a game winner in Boston without Embiid Then drops another 40 piece at home Game 4 while carrying Embiid who was not efficient whatsoever 34 yr old Harden doing this while dealing with lingering injuries And yall did him dirty after that. Can’t believe Philly hates on him. You guys would’ve been in Cancun in 4 games if Harden didn’t do his thing


beginnerLiftersoonBB

Your right man it’s no debate, in my post earlier I said (he’s the only reason we won 2 games) but like I said what’s it matter? Cancun in 4 or 6 still a loss. end result would still be the same even if we had him now, 2nd round AT MAX.. rebuild time, starting with trading the big guy.


Kyler1313

The Mavs idea of shading him to one side just let him attack the basket relentlessly while the big was in drop. Would have liked to see them maybe stop guarding him that away after he got his 758th basket in a row.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

What does shading mean? I see that term a lot


Kyler1313

Shading means you defend a guy angled in one direction more. So if a guy has a strong left hand you would shade him left (cutting off the option to go left) and forcing him to go right. Players that are less ambidextrous and can only dribble one way are generally shaded more because it takes their stronger hand away.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Ty


Kyler1313

My pleasure


rpars18

I think it means to force him to drive specifically to one hand (either drive left or drive right) while positioning themselves in a way where Harden can’t cross back towards the other side, which would force help. The problem with Dallas dropping their bigs is that Harden has an elite floater and he can pass very well, so bigs have to drop back to stop his lobs, which allows him to get to his float game


AndSo4ourth

Positioning your body as the defender on angle to encourage the offensive player to go in one direction. Typically this is to force them to their weaker hand, or where there is already help waiting.


QBert999

Definitely feels like a coaching failure in those last couple of minutes. Harden was scoring so easily and there was no adjustment.


darkest__timeline

the way Harden played in the 4th it wouldn't have mattered


mido0o0o

Most of his 3s are heavily contested too.


3830BlockKing

Imagine the amount of times you have seen Currys TS% stated. Harden is 1.6% less for his career. These guys are the greatest shooters ever, and will both finish 1st and 2nd all time in 3s made.


JamesHardenIsMyPoppa

Wow looked and harden is only 37 behind Ray Allen for 3’s


Expensive_Ad3884

I haven't seen anyone say Curry like TS%, but yeah for guards those are the standards.


TrRa47

"Injured Superstar Teammate in the Playoffs" Harden is up there with the greats. A little wordy, though.


forecastcriminal

2024 Harden outplaying “BITW” Luka


NotManyBuses

Playoff Harden at that


CP3sHamstring

Harden is leading the league this post season in TS% for anyone scoring over 20 PPG.


Spare_Jaguar_5173

And then they say he clears prime Harden. Man put fear in the hearts of Steph and KD, while Luka can’t even make the Wiggins warriors sweat


AntiTopspin

And that series was arguably the easiest of the Warriors' entire 2022 run as well(and they played 0 7 game series so the bar isn't even that high here) Celtics and Grizzlies were clearly more competitive series and somehow they got crushed just as bad if not worse as the garbage 2022 Denver team as well Out of the 4 Dallas losses 3 of them were more or less wire-to-wire(games 1/3/5) with only game 2 being one that they even really had a chance to win


Hazard_4

It honestly probably was easier bc games 3-5 in the nuggets came down to the wire at least. If it wasn’t for will bartons stupidity in game 3 or curry’s heroics in game 5 Denver might have won either of those games.


OrderlyPanic

Harden and CP3 were so close to taking down a healthy KD warriors, no one else came close to doing that. Literally a couple of calls or 1 or 2 threes go in and they're finalists, slight favorites to be champions and neither one is slandered like they are now.


Hazard_4

Even with cp3 going down, it took a historically bad shooting in game 7 and some horrid reffing (waved off 3s, no calls on egs drives) to lose. Also worth noting that harden was good in the first half in game 6 and 7 (if I remember correctly), but was gassed in the second halves, didnt seem like he had the stamina to carry an entire offense without cp against a team like golden state. Still doesn’t completely excuse his performance but he probably doesn’t finish nearly as bad with cp in that series.


OrderlyPanic

Everyone likes to clown them for the missed 3s, no one likes to acknowledge the hatchet job the officials pulled on them in the same game.


DrunkenReindeer

That will probably remain the biggest what if for my hopeless Rockets fandom. Even without CP3 in the finals, that team beats CLE. With CP3? Gentlemen's sweep. A ring (and career defining narrative shift) was right there for Harden, it just didn't work out.


CP3sHamstring

this is my favorite thing to say to luka fans.


defoz3x

"I think what you mean to say is, Ask the producer to pipe this into the Clippers locker room so I can talk to you James. I hope you’re taking notes. I’m telling you in advance, you’re welcome, for the wisdom I’m about to spew. Because listen, I get on my knees every night and pray for someone to believe in me like Daryl Morey believed in you. You wanted a certain coach, they brought in Mike D’Antoni. You wanted to play a certain style, they played it. You wanted Dwight Howard, they brought him in and got rid of him when you were tired of him. You wanted Chris Paul, they brought him in and got rid of him when you were tired of him. They brought in your old friend Russell Westbrook. You want to go to Vegas on off days? They looked away. You wanted the team to stay over so you could go out at night, they changed the schedule—and it didn’t work. And you know what, you said I’m gonna break up with my woobie, not good enough. I see the bright lights of New York. I want to go there. My old pal Kevin Durant. It’s gonna work, the big three—and all after one year you wanted out. You realized, “oh my gosh! I took this guy for granted, the guy that believed in me. I want back with Daryl Morey.” They traded Ben Simmons for you—how did they pull that off? And you know what? You went there, and you got a partner who got the MVP. He won the MVP, and what did you say afterwards? You said, “they didn’t hand me the reins.” You’re the point guard! You were holding the reins! And what did you do when you had the reins? You scored 9 points in Game 7 against Boston, you blew a 3-2 series lead. So they fired their coach, not good enough. You broke up with the guy that believed in you again, you said “the bright lights of LA! That’s where I want to go! Let’s see if that works.” Listen James, have you ever had those friends who had bad roommates? Over and over they complained about their bad roommates: “this guy’s terrible,” “the bad roommate here,” they never thought to be self aware enough that THEY’RE the bad roommate! They’re the problem! Hey James, YOU’RE the PROBLEM! If this doesn’t work this year, in this system, with this team, then you’re gonna go and point fingers at everybody else and then you’re gonna go back home and you’re gonna start swiping right for another team, and there’s not gonna be anyone left. Because James, you’re not the beard, you’re not the system, you’re the problem."


BigcaketakeLilcake

One of the weirdest rants from someone with no stake in the situation. Harden is absolutely a problem for them now though


QBert999

Indeed. Harden has been awesome.


Silentrift24

Bro pulled up like Thanos and said "Fine, I'll BE your problem." Fucking BALLING out of his mind.


NBA_Dumb_Boy

The way people ate that shit up and acted like that guy was cooking with that rant is still embarrassing


turtlechef

I was in awe by the stupidity of that rant and all the comments about it on this sub. That dude really thought he did something


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Tbf Harden is a fucking problem tho


darkest__timeline

The Problem/The System


ThePillsburyPlougher

wtf? Who said this?


Table100

mavs announcer at the start of the season lmao


JimmyV34

This man was supposed to be third option for us when we traded for him


seavirus

I'm de captain now


Maleficent_Resolve44

Unstoppable tonight. Floater after floater.


NBA_Dumb_Boy

Philly could use him right now


panthersfan87

I like that


ThingsAreAfoot

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/BwfRDnXJZV


rpars18

> Bro left the league MVP and a team with a ton of depth to completely destroy the clippers overnight These comments are insane man


DhroovP

> You love to see it. Chances PG or Kawhi say fuck this and become free agents this off season? What the fuck are these idiots smoking? So embarrassing especially Harden is outplaying Kawhi and PG by a mile this series


rpars18

I love how people were overreacting to Harden being a “bad fit” when it was clear that they had to improve their chemistry


arnchise

Has he been covering these games or is he still avoiding the Clippers?


ThingsAreAfoot

Like Chris Hemsworth said to Anthony Hopkins, he’s a coward and a fool.


QuesoStain2

Actually disgusting how many upvotes that got.


AemonSteelsong

This man just doesn’t lose in the first round. Never been swept too. One of the most underappreciated and constantly underrated playoff performers ever. People are talking about the floaters that he got in the last few minutes, but the way he was organizing the offense once the lead got to single digits was masterful. Just kept his composure and was absolutely not rattled by the atmosphere like some of his teammates. This old veteran version of Harden might not have the explosiveness that he once had but just might be the most complete he’s ever been in the playoffs.


AndSo4ourth

That's my fat playoff choker


StrategyTop7612

Didn't people say Luka was Harden, but without the playoff choking? Where are those people now?


CattleLower

HELLO MOTHAFUCKA


QBert999

heh. I definitely never said that, I respect Harden and think he's underrated. still hopeful we pull out the series though. Luka hasn't been quite right this whole series, he's yet to have a great game. Hopefully he gets it together in game 5.


qotsabama

Series isn’t over.


CattleLower

Hi. Mavs in 6


CP3sHamstring

yeah I mean the Clippers don't have their best player in Kawhi so that should be the outcome and yet... Luka is still sucking ass and Harden is leading the league in efficiency this post season for anyone scoring over 20 ppg


darkest__timeline

Kyrie is the reason for that, not Luka


CattleLower

Yeah too bad harden never played with him


ItsKBS

Are you stupid or just ignoring the fact that they both got injured in the only playoffs they played together?


CattleLower

No I’m not being sarcastic


Niceguydan8

That could very well happen but it's still possible (and likely) that Harden ends up with a better series than Luka. Luka has been straight up terrible.


DeuxDR

I mean.. Clips without their best player, and Kyrie hard-carrying Luka's playoff legacy might be the reason.


CattleLower

The recency bias ITT is hilarious. How about the past 7 years?


Chuckthethug

I mean harden has some blunders in the past , this probably only time we’ve seen Luka underperform


youaremehmeh

both are my favorite players of all time with harden being slightly ahead but I think 4 games is to little to completely disregard that. I think Luka is harden but gets BETTER in the playoffs. Harden isn't a choker but he definitely doesn't go higher than his reg szn.


Street-Common-4023

LMAOOO hall of fame floater game GESSIR


QuesoStain2

So many less upvotes than deserved. He was hugeeeee tn.


Wiltmygoat

So far in the playoffs, Luka is averaging 29/9.8/8.5 on 50.6% (38.6/26.5/80.6) with 3.8 tpg. Harden is averaging 26/4/7 on 73% ts (54.1/50/91.3) with 2.3 tpg. Make of that what you will


Exzibit21

he was frying the "defensive stopper" Luka over and over again


Vallerie_09

Back to back yr of Playoffs Harden being the best player on his team despite "on paper" Embiid/Kawhi/PG should've been better. Shit, he's been the best offensive player this series


Aggressive-Ad-756

Outplaying the shit out of Luka too


QBert999

He has been really really great. I sure hope he starts missing at some point.


HerskyB

Carrying them boys


Charliebitme1234

Harden outplaying luka lmfao


Majestic-Net-7799

Straight up best mode in the 4th...cold as ICE... Kyrie was unbelievable as well tbf


xenoz2020

he's back


Eur0step

Clippers always make the best trades


Cabbaje

Former Thunder and current Thunder are eating in these playoffs


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ItsKBS

Being held back by Doc Rivers and his terrorist spacing with Embiid/PJ Tucker/Tobias


[deleted]

Giving harden props now before elimination games is like giving the mvp to embiid before he gets injured. Let's fucking wait till the series gets closed out first. He has historical precedence of choking it when it matters


clayfu

“Only one game matters. The rest of the playoffs series doesn’t matter”


AndSo4ourth

This was practically an elimination game. They would've been 3-1 down with Kawhi in the infirmary


[deleted]

There's no such thing as practically. It either is or isn't


AndSo4ourth

The implication of slandering his elimination game performances is saying that he can't perform when pressure reaches its highest point. I'm countering that by pointing out the stakes of this game.


[deleted]

It isn't elimination at the end of the day no matter how high the stakes are. You can call it "elimination like" but it isn't winner take all. It isn't lose and you go home.


Niceguydan8

You are pointing out two different things in your initial post. 1.) He plays poorly in elimination games. This is true. 2.) "He has historical precedence of choking it when it matters." The people responding to you are correctly pointing out that game 4 being down 2-1 matters a ton.


CP3sHamstring

how does todays game not matter? in what world is it possible to say avoiding going down 3-1 and reclaiming home court doesn't matter


Niceguydan8

Looks like we found Zach Lowe's reddit account


defoz3x

That's why the "so far" Just stating the stats, obviously it could go either way from here on out but he's been good so far


cumdoggchillionaire

it doesn't matter to avoid going down 3-1 while on the road and missing the teams best player? there's no pressure to win? you are a completely moron


[deleted]

As I've said before elimination and elimination like aren't the same thing


kalpep

This game is what you call a historical if he doesn't perform well