Is she number one?
I got for my top 10 in order :
-salma Hayek, Emma stone, Kristen wiig, Kirsten dunst, Rihanna, marisa tomei, Megan the stallion, Christiano ronaldo, Florence Pugh and then Rebecca Ferguson
The fact that the willingness to offer a full max is being leaked--rather than the actual trade package--suggests this is coming from Paul George's camp as an attempt to leverage the Clippers, Philly, or Orlando into offering him a max.
Maybe. It could also be coming from the warriors side urging PG to demand a trade to GSW. Warriors have no way to acquire him if he opts out so this would be the only way we could get him.
Philly or Orlando getting Paul George wouldn't put them at the Celtics level. And I think Clippers are wary about his health since he + Kawhi have played less than 35% of all possible games together.
No one's giving him a max. He's 34.
Damn. I'm not sure I like the aging core they would have if they get PG but then again, why not go for it all so long as Steph's still a top 10 player?
That’s all it is. They basically know they have a couple years left with Steph. No sense in riding out a rebuild. It’s like rebuilding on a foundation that’s only has a few years left anyways. Might as well just try and make a run until Steph isn’t a superstar anymore. PG gives them the best option to do that.
Same thing happened to the Celtics circa 2018 but with the veterans not panning out instead of the young guys…I’d be super interested to see who the Warriors would send out in a deal for PG
We thought Wiseman was a good pick and we didn't capitalize on moving him before it was quite obvious he wasn't going to become the value he was drafted at. We had chances along the way
All new to respect with how the west is I don't think Lebron/Steph have what it takes to get them to a chip even with PG
Edit: All due respect, with how stacked the west is*
Does it though? Does the geriatric core of Curry, PG, and Draymond actually have a chance at anything other than another year of play in? They're 36, 34, and 34
I think they would be better than play in if those guys are healthy and they get reasonable contributions from Kuminga and a couple other guys. But they would need a lot of luck to make a final let alone win one.
Steph is fucking magical. Just give him a chance with this and he'll make the most of it. The warriors golden days are coming to an end anyways. I feel like as long as there's no crazy amount of firsts involved like what the Knicks or wolves did then fuck it.
Yeah, the move doesn't do a whole lot in terms of being able to keep up with some of the power-house younger teams in the league (which is basically any of the top-5 teams in the league), but if you look at the Warriors needs (which is basically a secondary scorer / play-maker), it's not a bad move, particularly when you consider who else can they foreseeably get that's out there and available that's AT LEAST at PG's level. If they can keep Klay then that's great, but Wiggins is unreliable and unfortunately so is Klay. Klay can still operate as a shooter but the Warriors desperately need someone who can at the very least generate offense outside of Steph, not just someone who can pull up and shoot, a la Klay, and if he can stay on the court then PG is definitely that guy.
I agree with everything you said. Warriors are going to be unable to rebuild until Steph is washed. Might as well try and win. I wish they used the picks for Wiseman and Kuminga to retool but I guess they did win a chip after that so hard to fault them really. It seems they’re finally deciding to continue trying to contend with Steph though which is what he deserves.
I think that's completely it. They want at least one or two final good playoff runs. I'm not even a Warriors fan but seeing Steph go out on a losing team would be depressing.
It’s because they went 16-7 down the stretch without him by largely playing smaller and with Jabari Smith at the 5. I love Alpi & really hope they don’t trade him because he’s special. Take Reed at 3 and move on. Don’t want Cling Kong
I think stone not rating him is crazy because he he’s gotten better every single year and this year had a run where he was making a run for at least 3rd team all NBA level play
Wins: Suns, Spurs (x2), Blazers (x3), Kings, Cavaliers, Wizards (x2), Bulls, Jazz (x2), Thunder, Magic, Clippers
Losses: Clippers, Mavericks (x2), Timberwolves, Warriors, Heat, Jazz
Feels like they probably shouldn't make a whole lot of franchise altering choices based on that
honestly my favorite game this season, but i obviously didn’t watch every single one. that one pistons celtics game around when they got the worst loss streak ever was really entertaining too
Oh it's because our front office sucks/ownership thinks they're closer to competing than they actually are. When you look at it that way it makes perfect sense.
Just been seeing a lot of whispers of Houston looking at bigs, Ime wanting KD, liking the style they played end of season. Just a huge question mark with amen and Sengun long term together. And now the extra draft capital. They pretty much had Brook last year and who knows what happens to Sengun if that would've actually happened.
Front office must be fighting hard on wanting to keep Sengun for long term vs what Ime wants on the court next season
I suspect this is mostly conjecture at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
George is the best player the Warriors could hope to get this offseason, he fits into the current team concept, he offers a meaningful upgrade on the wing, and he should be relatively cheap to trade for.
It would be a high-risk move, given his age and injury history and the team's overall financial picture, but that does sound like a Joe Lacob move.
I think it's honestly okay, Curry and PG are pretty lined up on the age end so it's not like they're at some awkward half rebuild situation if this doesn't work out. They'll have the same rebuild timeline whether the trade works out or not. I'd do it if I was the Warriors FO.
Idk about his contract but this would help his play on the Warriors. With a real second option creating space, Klay can thrive. He’s still good at shooting when he has a little space.
they owe it to Curry to compete as long as possible while he's still playing.
They have more rings this past decade because of him, than most teams do in their entire history.
Would make the warriors better than the current warriors. That counts for something. There’s no magic wand move that’s anywhere remotely possible to vault the warriors above the major west contenders but this would undoubtedly make us closer to having a punchers chance.
Any improvement that doesn’t significantly hamper the future should be taken.
PG is still good for 20 a game and good defense (maybe not great like in his prime, but still good and above average) that’s nice next to Steph. Plus you still got Wiggins and Kuminga that’s an athletic and rangy group around Steph. I like it.
It’s a ton of money for someone at 37/38 but by then Stephs contract is up and he’s either still awesome at 40, retiring, or a lesser role on a smaller deal. The post Steph years will be messy anyways so I don’t really think a bad PG contract would make a ton of difference by then.
Just trade Kuminga.
Kuminga may be a good player someday but he’s never gonna be a Paul George type player
The warriors are in a position where they can blow things up or they can make a contender move
How does adding Paul George and removing Andrew Wiggins + Jonathan Kuminga + Kevon Looney + GPII make them a contender? They'd have zero depth and all of their best players would be above 34. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
Kuminga won’t ever be as good as prime PG, but PG has already fallen off pretty far from his OKC days and is likely going to continue to decline. If the Warriors want to trade 100% of their future for old PG then more power to them.
There is no incentive to blow it up. If PG gets traded, they will probably make some minor trades (Norm), bring back Harden, and compete for a playoff spot. (The clippers will likely be a play in team in this senerio)
What picks do you own?
I guess the incentive would be trade Kawhi and harden and get something for them
Rather than wait a year or two until they have no value left. Ballmer doesn’t strike me as being ok with playin team
The last time the Warriors won a ring they somehow were tied with Boston for the best defensive rating in the league, they also had 4 players averaging +16 points a game in the playoffs, that's double what the Celtics who they beat in the Finals that year had, it was Klay, Andrew Wiggins and Poole all scoring with Steph
They traded JP, Klay is leaving, now they want to trade Wiggins and bring in Paul George who isn't a reliable defender, has injury problems every season, and is a playoff no-show half the time, no disrespect to anyone but I don't see this making GSW better than the Wolves or Mavs or Nuggets
Poor warriors fans. PG is a killer on paper but as a max guy I don’t know if Curry could carry that hard anymore when PG disappears or gets injured. At least it will be a good regular season for them.
Where does “are prepared” fall on the “nearing agreement” scale
I am prepared to date Margot Robbie
sorry but im fully prepared to give her a max extension. think ur out of luck
Calling three inches a max extension is mincing words.
3.5 with incentives
And she opted out
I tried to make a play but my wife exercised her no-trade clause
It would require cash considerations
I'm willing to lift up my aprons for her
That’s some bonus!
Supermax*
Ah, crap baskets.
Oh, you say that too
and I almost got away with it! if it wasn’t for those meddling Heat(s?)
I am prepared to give her the Max too but it might not be enough
I’m hoping she’ll take the league minimum for a chance at a ring
Now this, this is good stuff
I have agreed to a lifelong relationship with Margot Robbie. Margot Robbie has not agreed unfortunately
Have you tried offering five first round draft picks?
Without protections
Free agent G/F J.R. Smith has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell ESPN. The Lakers did not agree
What are you offering, my good sir?
3-way trade
Cincinnati hasn’t had a team in ages.
Apples
Is she number one? I got for my top 10 in order : -salma Hayek, Emma stone, Kristen wiig, Kirsten dunst, Rihanna, marisa tomei, Megan the stallion, Christiano ronaldo, Florence Pugh and then Rebecca Ferguson
My guy we are talking about paul george here
He’s 13th
we talkin bout PRACTICE
salma hayek's husband is worth 34 billion dollars. you're gonna need to offer her at least a 5 year supermax with incentives
That's a good list right there
Zardu nearing agreement to date Robbie
It’s the “ramping up” of trade negotiations
Watch this be done by tonight
The start of an "all in" offseason
The fact that the willingness to offer a full max is being leaked--rather than the actual trade package--suggests this is coming from Paul George's camp as an attempt to leverage the Clippers, Philly, or Orlando into offering him a max.
Maybe. It could also be coming from the warriors side urging PG to demand a trade to GSW. Warriors have no way to acquire him if he opts out so this would be the only way we could get him.
Philly or Orlando getting Paul George wouldn't put them at the Celtics level. And I think Clippers are wary about his health since he + Kawhi have played less than 35% of all possible games together. No one's giving him a max. He's 34.
I'm sure they made an offer and Clippers said meh. PG wants the 4 year max so Warriors are leaking their interest to try and get PG to demand a trade.
Wherever the tampering scale meets the we haven’t tampered.
Lacob has always pushed the boundaries of legality. It’s part of how these tech fucks think they are disrupting economic space.
Above flirting but below heavy petting.
Kelvin Benjamin is prepared to go to Golden Corral
It's the harbinger of "lasered in"
How far is it from at the 1 yard line?
Damn. I'm not sure I like the aging core they would have if they get PG but then again, why not go for it all so long as Steph's still a top 10 player?
Yeah this doesn't rewind the clock for them, but it at least injects a last chance or two into Curry.
That’s all it is. They basically know they have a couple years left with Steph. No sense in riding out a rebuild. It’s like rebuilding on a foundation that’s only has a few years left anyways. Might as well just try and make a run until Steph isn’t a superstar anymore. PG gives them the best option to do that.
100 percent, they tried to do this with Wiseman and our young core and I think it became obvious we can’t have our cake and eat it too
2022 was the eating of the cake. This is trying to squeeze in a last piece before the buffet closes.
something something Kelvin benjamin
Ayy you know I'm grabbing like 5 more butter rolls in a napkin on the way out.
Same thing happened to the Celtics circa 2018 but with the veterans not panning out instead of the young guys…I’d be super interested to see who the Warriors would send out in a deal for PG
Probably something like Kuminga, Moody, and a FRP + Pick swaps
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We thought Wiseman was a good pick and we didn't capitalize on moving him before it was quite obvious he wasn't going to become the value he was drafted at. We had chances along the way
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Steph is 36…. There is like 2 years of star production left.
All new to respect with how the west is I don't think Lebron/Steph have what it takes to get them to a chip even with PG Edit: All due respect, with how stacked the west is*
Don't give me that old respect
Jesus what the fuck did I even type that first 5 words are literal gibberish ahaha
36 year old Lebron was better than current brown. He’s 40 now…..
Inject the Paul George into my veins
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Dead ass. Platelet P had me rolling too
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Does it though? Does the geriatric core of Curry, PG, and Draymond actually have a chance at anything other than another year of play in? They're 36, 34, and 34
I think they would be better than play in if those guys are healthy and they get reasonable contributions from Kuminga and a couple other guys. But they would need a lot of luck to make a final let alone win one.
Those “couple other guys” are gone in that trade for Paul George. It’s possible Kuminga is even gone. They would need Dray, Steph, and PG to carry.
They might not win but it’s a very exciting trade. Curry and PG on the same team will be a lot of fun
Yup. When you have one of the 5-8 guys who can be the best player in the series and lead a championship team, you have to go all in on the season.
Steph is fucking magical. Just give him a chance with this and he'll make the most of it. The warriors golden days are coming to an end anyways. I feel like as long as there's no crazy amount of firsts involved like what the Knicks or wolves did then fuck it.
Yeah, the move doesn't do a whole lot in terms of being able to keep up with some of the power-house younger teams in the league (which is basically any of the top-5 teams in the league), but if you look at the Warriors needs (which is basically a secondary scorer / play-maker), it's not a bad move, particularly when you consider who else can they foreseeably get that's out there and available that's AT LEAST at PG's level. If they can keep Klay then that's great, but Wiggins is unreliable and unfortunately so is Klay. Klay can still operate as a shooter but the Warriors desperately need someone who can at the very least generate offense outside of Steph, not just someone who can pull up and shoot, a la Klay, and if he can stay on the court then PG is definitely that guy.
Yeah, out of all the “gettable” stars in this offseason, PG is EASILY by far the best player.
I agree with everything you said. Warriors are going to be unable to rebuild until Steph is washed. Might as well try and win. I wish they used the picks for Wiseman and Kuminga to retool but I guess they did win a chip after that so hard to fault them really. It seems they’re finally deciding to continue trying to contend with Steph though which is what he deserves.
I think that's completely it. They want at least one or two final good playoff runs. I'm not even a Warriors fan but seeing Steph go out on a losing team would be depressing.
Damn, Westbrook, CP3, Harden lineups are going to be weird, but fun during the regular season at least
A three guard lineup for OKC alumni, it's worked before so surely it can work again.
Rockets alumni
OKC -> Rockets -> Clips None of these players were included in trades together yet had very similar career paths
On defense tho that lineup is buns
One of PG or Sengun getting moved tonight. Lots of smoke with Ime and now teams basically openly stating they'll max PG if LAC gets cold feet
The smoke around Sengun makes no sense to me. He’s 21, played great last season, and has continued to improve every year.
It’s because they went 16-7 down the stretch without him by largely playing smaller and with Jabari Smith at the 5. I love Alpi & really hope they don’t trade him because he’s special. Take Reed at 3 and move on. Don’t want Cling Kong
16-7 Man my trash ass bulls team had runs like that the past two seasons as well, don't mean nothing. Keep Sengun
Stone has never rated Sengun for some reason. We're stupid as hell if we move him for aging, injury prone dudes who don't fit our timeline at all
I think stone not rating him is crazy because he he’s gotten better every single year and this year had a run where he was making a run for at least 3rd team all NBA level play
Bro just has a massive blind spot. I think the only acceptable outcome in his eyes for Sengun is if he's just magically All-NBA First team
were the quality of opponents during 16-7 stretch quality, or did they play teams who had guys sitting out/pseudo-tanking?
The latter, by a lot.
Wins: Suns, Spurs (x2), Blazers (x3), Kings, Cavaliers, Wizards (x2), Bulls, Jazz (x2), Thunder, Magic, Clippers Losses: Clippers, Mavericks (x2), Timberwolves, Warriors, Heat, Jazz Feels like they probably shouldn't make a whole lot of franchise altering choices based on that
That Rockets / Mavs OT game in Dallas was one of the best games of the entire regular season. Insanity
honestly my favorite game this season, but i obviously didn’t watch every single one. that one pistons celtics game around when they got the worst loss streak ever was really entertaining too
Oh it's because our front office sucks/ownership thinks they're closer to competing than they actually are. When you look at it that way it makes perfect sense.
isn't Sengun the Rockets best player? Don't tell me theyre gonna build around FVV and Dillon Brooks
The Rockets entire offense will be Steven Adams putbacks off their own bricks
TIL Steven Adams plays for the Rockets
He was traded there at the deadline but hasn't played because he's hurt. I almost forgot about it too
Yeah I genuinely didn't know this, though I guess since he hasn't played at all yet I feel less out of the loop than I would otherwise.
why sengun ?
Just been seeing a lot of whispers of Houston looking at bigs, Ime wanting KD, liking the style they played end of season. Just a huge question mark with amen and Sengun long term together. And now the extra draft capital. They pretty much had Brook last year and who knows what happens to Sengun if that would've actually happened. Front office must be fighting hard on wanting to keep Sengun for long term vs what Ime wants on the court next season
I suspect this is mostly conjecture at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. George is the best player the Warriors could hope to get this offseason, he fits into the current team concept, he offers a meaningful upgrade on the wing, and he should be relatively cheap to trade for. It would be a high-risk move, given his age and injury history and the team's overall financial picture, but that does sound like a Joe Lacob move.
Warriors need high risk high upside moves at this point
The problem is there's not many of those players available and they're in win-now mode with Steph aging.
I think it's honestly okay, Curry and PG are pretty lined up on the age end so it's not like they're at some awkward half rebuild situation if this doesn't work out. They'll have the same rebuild timeline whether the trade works out or not. I'd do it if I was the Warriors FO.
As opposed to their recent high-risk, low-upside move - Chris Paul
They did it to get out of Poole’s contract tbf. If they hadn’t, there’s no chance they could have traded for PG. Now there’s a slim chance.
He'd also be really good for Kuminga, IMO. Gives him someone to learn from and PG back in the day was a defensive animal.
There’s no way the clippers do this without kuminga being involved
Bye bye Klay
Mmm there is a world Klay could actually stay.. totally possible
If he accepts a vet min and is willing to sit on the bench
Don’t think so. Sounds like the warriors want to compete
Ouch
6th man status, but depends on Klay's salary expectations I assume
His ego is wayyyy to high
Dude really should've sucked up his ego and taken the 2 year/$48M he was offered in 2023 offseason.
Need an update on Klays feelings when he reads this
Hes going to refollow the warriors just so he can unfollow them again
Im guessing he got his feeling hurt
It's wild to see Warriors fans saying stuff like this.
Eh Blazer fans were shitting on Dame even at the end
Idk about his contract but this would help his play on the Warriors. With a real second option creating space, Klay can thrive. He’s still good at shooting when he has a little space.
I think he's going there. Too much smoke.
Yep. Close enough to LA. Will get his 4 yrs. Chase a title as well. All makes sense
Chris Paul back with the Clippers? And he’s running it back with Harden? Lmao the Clippers are looking like a retirement home
They have PJ tucker as well
Eric Gordon is a free agent now. I wonder if Trevor Ariza can be talked out of retirement.
Rockets looking to give it one more go on a new team
This off season is crazy.
We earned this after the mellow trade deadline
And absolutely dreadful conference finals/NBA finals
Pretty crazy how nobody I know gave a shit about the finals. The lead up to the conference finals was so hype. Everything afterwards was lull as fuck.
Gonna be wild watching the two teams the 2nd apron was created for skirt around said 2nd apron
Wowww
Clippers are one step closer to being the post KD/Kyrie Nets. Just need to move on from Kawhi and they’re going full tank mode.
Clippers and Nets have eerily similar (traumatic) histories.
they owe it to Curry to compete as long as possible while he's still playing. They have more rings this past decade because of him, than most teams do in their entire history.
That's fair but is George the guy that legitimately gives them a chance to come out of the west?
They must do it. The two timelines didnt work for them.
> One of those teams, **potentially**, is up the coast in Golden State. So he's basically saying nothing.
Or just hedging in case it falls apart.
Yeah I'll be honest I don't think we'll look back on this trade fondly
lol thats actually wild. Would be great if PG could get it done for the warriors. But health is scary, and with PG who are the warriors better than?
Would make the warriors better than the current warriors. That counts for something. There’s no magic wand move that’s anywhere remotely possible to vault the warriors above the major west contenders but this would undoubtedly make us closer to having a punchers chance. Any improvement that doesn’t significantly hamper the future should be taken.
PG is still good for 20 a game and good defense (maybe not great like in his prime, but still good and above average) that’s nice next to Steph. Plus you still got Wiggins and Kuminga that’s an athletic and rangy group around Steph. I like it.
It’s a ton of money for someone at 37/38 but by then Stephs contract is up and he’s either still awesome at 40, retiring, or a lesser role on a smaller deal. The post Steph years will be messy anyways so I don’t really think a bad PG contract would make a ton of difference by then.
Lol. He’s not worthy anywhere close to that. Been living off name value for years.
Im sorry what? When lesser 3-D players like jerami grant and OG getting paid max he for damnsure deserves it, age be damned
paul george is addicted to getting to teams a couple years too late
Just trade Kuminga. Kuminga may be a good player someday but he’s never gonna be a Paul George type player The warriors are in a position where they can blow things up or they can make a contender move
How does adding Paul George and removing Andrew Wiggins + Jonathan Kuminga + Kevon Looney + GPII make them a contender? They'd have zero depth and all of their best players would be above 34. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
They wouldn’t - they would trade CP3 + Moody + Picks
big W if we get PG13 and keep Kuminga/Wiggins
Barring getting PG for scraps and then trading the farm for an all-star big I don't think there is a move that makes them actual contenders.
Kuminga won’t ever be as good as prime PG, but PG has already fallen off pretty far from his OKC days and is likely going to continue to decline. If the Warriors want to trade 100% of their future for old PG then more power to them.
How do you know he won't ever be as good, he just averaged 16 points on 52% at 21 years old, he's a walking bucket in well under 30 minutes a game
Thank lord. Some of you guys aren't nba gms.
Warriors ain’t trading Kuminga for an aging PG lmao.
Thank God you're not an NBA GM
Wonder how many picks warriors have Idk what clippers would do with kuminga They’d have to blow it up then
If PG decided he wants out of LAC, Kuminga would be a fantastic consolation prize
Yeah I agree They’d have to blow it up tho right, otherwise just pay PG
There is no incentive to blow it up. If PG gets traded, they will probably make some minor trades (Norm), bring back Harden, and compete for a playoff spot. (The clippers will likely be a play in team in this senerio)
What picks do you own? I guess the incentive would be trade Kawhi and harden and get something for them Rather than wait a year or two until they have no value left. Ballmer doesn’t strike me as being ok with playin team
Blow it up for what? Clippers would still be good as long as, say it with me, Kawhi stays healthy
We’re not giving up kuminga for Paul George, nor would we have to
Hold that thought lol.
Like if im the clippers and your not including Kuminga im hanging up the phone. This is literally Dame to Miami all over again
Except PG can just walk, if you're the Clippers you'd rather have Moody + CP3 + some pick rather than nothing.
Trade for Sengun if we trading for people
Goodbye Klay?
GSW hates young players.
Us Thunder fans are just waiting for the first Clippers domino to drop. PG leaves, then Harden, then those unprotected 1st round picks go brrrrr 😎
They’re prepared to offer CP3 and trash
Lol our young guys are not trash
A couple of them aren't, but I'd bet those are the same couple you will not be offering
Kawhi going to be stuck with Harden and Westbrook breaking his knees on defense
Westbrook is probably not going to play for LA this year. No idea how they bring him back given his playoffs last year. All time levels of bad.
Westbrook will be waived if they can't trade him
Nice
Opt-in + four years? So for five years?
They can only extend him for 3 more years, so opt in and then 3 year max extension
Fuck off
But what about Wiseman???
Wouldn’t they have to trade one of either Chris Paul or Klay Thompson? And does LA want either of those scraps?
CP3 is a one-year deal, we'd get Kuminga and picks
So Kuminga and Moody and a bunch of firsts for a guy you gave up Shai for? Kawhi cool with this or is it fire sale time?
"prepared" vs "agreed". i have prepared with microsoft to receive a billion dollars vs I have agreed with microsoft to receive a billion dollars.
So they get age 35-39 of Paul George for $50 million a year, great plan...
Please! just get a giant that can score. We need a cheaper anthony davis, not another little guy
Like is he even good anymore? Serious question
The last time the Warriors won a ring they somehow were tied with Boston for the best defensive rating in the league, they also had 4 players averaging +16 points a game in the playoffs, that's double what the Celtics who they beat in the Finals that year had, it was Klay, Andrew Wiggins and Poole all scoring with Steph They traded JP, Klay is leaving, now they want to trade Wiggins and bring in Paul George who isn't a reliable defender, has injury problems every season, and is a playoff no-show half the time, no disrespect to anyone but I don't see this making GSW better than the Wolves or Mavs or Nuggets
What’s the asking price tag though. That’s the elephant in the room. What do the warriors have to give up!?
I used have blind faith in the Warriors FO, but Myers is gone so idk if the sentiment still stands
Poor warriors fans. PG is a killer on paper but as a max guy I don’t know if Curry could carry that hard anymore when PG disappears or gets injured. At least it will be a good regular season for them.
Why? PG has shown over the last four seasons he isn’t a championship cornerstone
Curry would still be the cornerstone