Very solid player that history has forgotten. Won’t forget him giving us problems against those Rockets squads for a few years. Too bad T Mac and Yao couldn’t stay healthy , those teams were great and definitely could’ve won it all
He led Argentina at 39 years young to a silver medal in the World Championship in 2019 (17 years after getting the silver medal in the 2002 World Championship), dominating Jokic and Gobert back to back in the QF and SF.
That 09 Rockets team could have been something if the stars aligned
Yao, T-Mac, Battier and Artest is a great top 4
Also featuring a 22 year old Kyle Lowry and 42 year old Dikembe Mutombo
Years from now there will be posts saying “did you know that Kyle Lowry played with Dikembe Mutombo and [insert player with a long career that may not have even been drafted yet]
I think the more impressive Patty Mills piece is his longevity.
For a 6'2 guard picked in the late 2nd round that has always been a role player to have a 15 year + NBA career is really impressive
No disrespect on Patty he’s a great player and had some classic moments, his career honestly feels like one of the best case scenarios for bronnys career with their height similarities.
Patty was one of the fastest players in the league at one point with and without the ball and got drafted on his own merit. I don’t think Bronny will come close to contributing the way Patty did at the Spurs.
Look man I hate to defend the Lakers but bronny was a lottery prospect until his heart gave out. His median career outcome is not gonna be good, but he certainly has patty mills upside if everything goes right
Justin Edwards was the #1 prospect coming into the NCAA season and he went undrafted. Using pre-season rankings isn’t that meaningful if there isn’t evidence to suggest they are improving and showing potential in the season
All I'm suggesting is that there's upside, not that it was a good pick. Honestly any player capable of getting drafted should have a higher ceiling than Patty mills (nothing against Patty, but players with ceilings worse than decent role player don't generally get drafted)
>Honestly any player capable of getting drafted should have a higher ceiling than Patty mills
He's only capable of getting drafted because his name is LeBron James, Jr. There's a 0% chance he would've been drafted if his name was John Johnson. So that point is moot.
"Look man I hate to defend the Lakers but bronny was a lottery prospect until his heart gave out. His median career outcome is not gonna be good, but he certainly has patty mills upside if everything goes right"
What are you talking about? I literally said that his median outcome is not good but he does have upside. That was my entire point
I believe that literally every player in the draft has at least Patty mills upside. You don't get drafted if the absolute best case scenario is a decent role player
Anyone who watched him play in HS knows he was never a legitimate lottery prospect. Heart issue or not, he’s just not that good. Those rankings were nothing more than click bait and if his name wasn’t Bronny James you’d never even have heard of the kid.
It’s clear that bronny every step of the way has had his profile inflated by his name. He was overrated as a recruit, and maybe even more overrated as a draft prospect. He had no business being drafted if he had literally any other parents.
Using “one of the fastest players” as your highlights of his career is not the way to prove that he’s better than bronny. I agree that he won’t get anywhere near mills as a player but surely you could find something better than “super duper fast” as his key skill. Lights out shooter for example of something you could’ve used
Aaron Wiggins was picked 55th in 2021 and has become a rotational player for a championship contending team. Is Bronny even up to that level, let alone Patty Cakes Mills.
Luis Scola was the 56th pick in the 2002 draft, not the 55th. Patty Mills is pretty far and away the best 55th pick ever. Followed by Aaron Wiggins and E'Twuan Moore.
There is a discrepancy, though. The Wolves violated the salary cap and forfeited their pick that year. Whether you count that or not alters when he was picked.
But I'll still say 56th because I'm a goddamn patriot and Patty deserves to be the 55th GOAT, and Scola would still be the 56th GOAT, since he's better than Ramon Sessions and Amir Johnson.
He objectively is, just not for the best league in the world. Put him in a d-league somewhere in europe and he could contribute to a team. Even without Lebron's name he is still a d1 level athlete easily.
The guy said bronny james is no a good basketball player. So I answered based on what he said. Obviously Bronny is arguably one of the worst nba players of all time. Doesn't make him a bad player.
Bronny needs to bake in the oven for 4 years.
I think he gets lost in the nba farm system, and he will be a fringe g League player.
No knock on bronny james, but colleges' developmental programs are much much better than the 3rd rate g league developmental program.
Throwing him into the fire and just dropping him in an nba game like he's a MyPlayer is going to spell disaster.
Maybe let’s hope he does as well as the average 55th pick overall before comparing him to the second best one.
Here’s the last 10
- Isaiah Wong
- Gui Santos
- Aaron Wiggins
- Jay Scrubb
- Kyle Guy
- Arnoldas Kulboka
- Nigel Williams-Goss
- Marcus Paige
- Cady Lalanne
- Semaj Christon
If you take out Wiggins between the other 9 they have something like 180 total games and 10 seasons played in the NBA. And 64 of those games were Christon in his one season in the league.
I mean, Mills we a really good NBA player, so unlikely.
But I do think he might be better then the complete bust (like play a couple games <10 minutes, to take photos with LeBron and that's it) a lot of people are predicting.
Like a lot of people from late 2nd and undrafted guys have been talking about. The most important thing is opportunity. And I'm pretty sure he's gonna get it and if he isn't a complete no show, he's gonna keep getting playing time and if he has at least something to show, had some lucky moments, he might earn a somewhat regular rotation spot.
I don’t think so and if you factor how good he was with Aussie then it’s almost impossible.
However, I think Bronny would be a fine 7th man on a roster and Mills/White are probably the best outcome in terms of career for him.
I like the GP2 comp, I think he is better for him.
He is a long term prospect, we might be able to answer about his potential in two years.
Patty Mills is one of the great what if's in my opinion, yes I am Australian and biased, but the dude goes scorched earth every olympics and shows he can do against anybody yet never seemed to get much of a chance to do that in the NBA. Playing under Pop I can understand the draw to staying in a lesser role but I'd love to have seen him have a chance at running a team as a starter.
Nope he won't ever avg more than 3.5 pts as a garbage time 12th man. He's not an NBA player as of now. Could eventually become one but he should never have been drafted.
I think Bronny will be lucky to be not the worst player in nba history. Imo comparing him to even Giannis's brothers is an insult to them since they are good enough for the 2nd best league in the world the euroleague even as bench players. I don't think bronny will even be able to score a single point every single game. I hope im wrong
You understand that talent wise, he is one of the least talented and least accomplished players ever drafted… if his last name wasn’t James, no one would know who the hell he is.
While nba patty mills isn't the same as FIBA patty mills who will likely get a hof invite for international play, every team would take NBA patty mills without blinking if they could get that with their 55 pick
Luis Scola was nice
Very solid player that history has forgotten. Won’t forget him giving us problems against those Rockets squads for a few years. Too bad T Mac and Yao couldn’t stay healthy , those teams were great and definitely could’ve won it all
He was actually great basketball players if you consider international and longevity of his career (he retired last year + 04 Gold Medal)
He led Argentina at 39 years young to a silver medal in the World Championship in 2019 (17 years after getting the silver medal in the 2002 World Championship), dominating Jokic and Gobert back to back in the QF and SF.
Highlights of his 28/13 game in the SF against France https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ipkxq3gkw&pp=ygUPc2NvbGEgdnMgZ29iZXJ0
That's insane
That 09 Rockets team could have been something if the stars aligned Yao, T-Mac, Battier and Artest is a great top 4 Also featuring a 22 year old Kyle Lowry and 42 year old Dikembe Mutombo
We had both Lowry and Goran Dragic but dumped both of them and wound up with Linsanity lol
22 game win streak IIRC
Years from now there will be posts saying “did you know that Kyle Lowry played with Dikembe Mutombo and [insert player with a long career that may not have even been drafted yet]
I know one Scola play I’ll never forget. When Fish blew his shit up just to send a message
I loved Scola because he was like “What if Tori Spelling was attractive and could draw charges?”
He was also not the 55th pick in his draft. He was 56th.
Still lowkey annoyed we had to trade his draft rights away for a guy named Jackie Butler IIRC
Scooooooollaaaaaaaaaa
I think the more impressive Patty Mills piece is his longevity. For a 6'2 guard picked in the late 2nd round that has always been a role player to have a 15 year + NBA career is really impressive
Patty Mills contributed to an all time title team come on man
No disrespect on Patty he’s a great player and had some classic moments, his career honestly feels like one of the best case scenarios for bronnys career with their height similarities.
Patty was one of the fastest players in the league at one point with and without the ball and got drafted on his own merit. I don’t think Bronny will come close to contributing the way Patty did at the Spurs.
Look man I hate to defend the Lakers but bronny was a lottery prospect until his heart gave out. His median career outcome is not gonna be good, but he certainly has patty mills upside if everything goes right
Justin Edwards was the #1 prospect coming into the NCAA season and he went undrafted. Using pre-season rankings isn’t that meaningful if there isn’t evidence to suggest they are improving and showing potential in the season
All I'm suggesting is that there's upside, not that it was a good pick. Honestly any player capable of getting drafted should have a higher ceiling than Patty mills (nothing against Patty, but players with ceilings worse than decent role player don't generally get drafted)
>Honestly any player capable of getting drafted should have a higher ceiling than Patty mills He's only capable of getting drafted because his name is LeBron James, Jr. There's a 0% chance he would've been drafted if his name was John Johnson. So that point is moot.
You didn’t even insinuate that there was upside.
"Look man I hate to defend the Lakers but bronny was a lottery prospect until his heart gave out. His median career outcome is not gonna be good, but he certainly has patty mills upside if everything goes right" What are you talking about? I literally said that his median outcome is not good but he does have upside. That was my entire point
I mean you said nothing that would cause one to think there’s an upside.
I believe that literally every player in the draft has at least Patty mills upside. You don't get drafted if the absolute best case scenario is a decent role player
Anyone who watched him play in HS knows he was never a legitimate lottery prospect. Heart issue or not, he’s just not that good. Those rankings were nothing more than click bait and if his name wasn’t Bronny James you’d never even have heard of the kid.
It’s clear that bronny every step of the way has had his profile inflated by his name. He was overrated as a recruit, and maybe even more overrated as a draft prospect. He had no business being drafted if he had literally any other parents.
He was?
Yes, absolute peak was 10-14 range right before the heart stuff
Thats for clicks dawg
Using “one of the fastest players” as your highlights of his career is not the way to prove that he’s better than bronny. I agree that he won’t get anywhere near mills as a player but surely you could find something better than “super duper fast” as his key skill. Lights out shooter for example of something you could’ve used
Better than “great teammate” bronny
I mean for him to jump from hot garbage to a career 39 percent shooter from three would be an all time turnaround
No
I wonder what happened to that Emmanuel Ginobili guy that was drafted 57th overall. He can only dream about what Bronny's career would be.
Bronny ~ a random D1 player < Scalabrine < Patty Mills
Scalabrine is also a NBA champion In 20 years I'll say he started for that '08 team
And in 30 years?
Finals MVP
in 40 my guy is going to be the league mvp
And one half of the Larry Bird-Scal combo on NBA jam
He won't be better than the man that saved basketball Aaron Wiggins either.
Did you see how good he was at the olympics before he got drafted?
The only guy who’s scouting tape for the draft includes him blowing by Kobe and LeBron for a layup
the disrespect to patty mills..
No. Bronny is not even good enough for the NBL in Aussie.
The audacity
Wasn't Scola 56
He was. Funny that OP looked up Patty's stats but didn't bother to google Scola.
Bronny is about to get cooked in the g league
No one can say for sure. Predictions on development is pure speculation even at the highest scouting level
Aaron Wiggins was picked 55th in 2021 and has become a rotational player for a championship contending team. Is Bronny even up to that level, let alone Patty Cakes Mills.
The only Patty he is gonna be close to is on the McDonalds grill
Damn. This is actually so disrespectfully funny.
And Mills is going to be a Hall of Fame for his international play.
About to go to his 5th Olympics. An all time Olympian
I will be very surprised if Bronny actually gets meaningful game time, so no. Mills was a decent role player though, and as an Aussie, we love him!
You realize lebron is his dad and has a coach thats brons puppet?
Lol
i’d be shocked if he’s better than the third best 55th overall pick, e’twaun moore (higher peak than patty tbh)
Should if LeBron plays for another 10 yrs.
Luis Scola was the 56th pick in the 2002 draft, not the 55th. Patty Mills is pretty far and away the best 55th pick ever. Followed by Aaron Wiggins and E'Twuan Moore. There is a discrepancy, though. The Wolves violated the salary cap and forfeited their pick that year. Whether you count that or not alters when he was picked. But I'll still say 56th because I'm a goddamn patriot and Patty deserves to be the 55th GOAT, and Scola would still be the 56th GOAT, since he's better than Ramon Sessions and Amir Johnson.
Could see him carving out an Austin Rivers type career, probably best case scenario.
I wanna see how he is in summer league first
Probably not but this is a reminder about how bad most late second round picks are. A very very miniscule percent hit.
bronny james is not a good basketball player
He objectively is, just not for the best league in the world. Put him in a d-league somewhere in europe and he could contribute to a team. Even without Lebron's name he is still a d1 level athlete easily.
Yeah but this is nba sub. He is far from nba player
The guy said bronny james is no a good basketball player. So I answered based on what he said. Obviously Bronny is arguably one of the worst nba players of all time. Doesn't make him a bad player.
Eh I wouldn't say all time, i would say more current era, he would probably hold up back in older times
No, Bronny's a bum. When LeMickey retires Bronny gonna be sent to the Guangdong tigers in China LOL
No.
They used the call me scola at the park I played at cause I had long hair like him.
Don’t even think he could average this state line in the G League.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Idk about playing career, but I guarantee he’ll never beat him in accents.
Absolutely yes
Could? Yes. Will? Doubtful.
He couldn’t come close to that in college. Why would we expect him to be anywhere near that at this level?
I’d bet my retirement he doesn’t
Bronny needs to bake in the oven for 4 years. I think he gets lost in the nba farm system, and he will be a fringe g League player. No knock on bronny james, but colleges' developmental programs are much much better than the 3rd rate g league developmental program. Throwing him into the fire and just dropping him in an nba game like he's a MyPlayer is going to spell disaster.
I doubt it.
No.
He should try to keep up with Aaron Wiggins first, the 55th pick from 2021.
nein!!
No
I would consider it to be a miracle if Bronny turns out to be better than Anthony Bennet.
Seriously? Come on man Also patty on international stage is a different animal
Maybe let’s hope he does as well as the average 55th pick overall before comparing him to the second best one. Here’s the last 10 - Isaiah Wong - Gui Santos - Aaron Wiggins - Jay Scrubb - Kyle Guy - Arnoldas Kulboka - Nigel Williams-Goss - Marcus Paige - Cady Lalanne - Semaj Christon If you take out Wiggins between the other 9 they have something like 180 total games and 10 seasons played in the NBA. And 64 of those games were Christon in his one season in the league.
Patty's a legend, but Bronny's got potential.
No
No
I mean, Mills we a really good NBA player, so unlikely. But I do think he might be better then the complete bust (like play a couple games <10 minutes, to take photos with LeBron and that's it) a lot of people are predicting. Like a lot of people from late 2nd and undrafted guys have been talking about. The most important thing is opportunity. And I'm pretty sure he's gonna get it and if he isn't a complete no show, he's gonna keep getting playing time and if he has at least something to show, had some lucky moments, he might earn a somewhat regular rotation spot.
I don’t think so and if you factor how good he was with Aussie then it’s almost impossible. However, I think Bronny would be a fine 7th man on a roster and Mills/White are probably the best outcome in terms of career for him. I like the GP2 comp, I think he is better for him. He is a long term prospect, we might be able to answer about his potential in two years.
Patty Mills is one of the great what if's in my opinion, yes I am Australian and biased, but the dude goes scorched earth every olympics and shows he can do against anybody yet never seemed to get much of a chance to do that in the NBA. Playing under Pop I can understand the draw to staying in a lesser role but I'd love to have seen him have a chance at running a team as a starter.
This sub needs mental help with the amount of shit they’re talking about a kid who hasn’t done anything wrong
You need mental help with how serious you're taking it
No, he's a 6'1" guard
How tall do you think Patty mills is?
Patty Mills is a 6’2” guard
I see how you might think those things are similar but the main difference between them is that Mills is good at basketball and Bronny is not.
See this is a real point. The height argument is just plain dumb lol.
I'm new to the NBA. Is that important?
He’s playing with shoes on so 6”2
Nope he won't ever avg more than 3.5 pts as a garbage time 12th man. He's not an NBA player as of now. Could eventually become one but he should never have been drafted.
When lebrons says draft him or im leaving
The better question would be if he can match the production of the 2nd worst 55th overall pick of the last 25 years.
Easily
I think Bronny will be lucky to be not the worst player in nba history. Imo comparing him to even Giannis's brothers is an insult to them since they are good enough for the 2nd best league in the world the euroleague even as bench players. I don't think bronny will even be able to score a single point every single game. I hope im wrong
He could. Patty Mills NBA career is not something crazy to say most players have the potential to reach
You understand that talent wise, he is one of the least talented and least accomplished players ever drafted… if his last name wasn’t James, no one would know who the hell he is.
While nba patty mills isn't the same as FIBA patty mills who will likely get a hof invite for international play, every team would take NBA patty mills without blinking if they could get that with their 55 pick