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nibbinoo8

i already felt old this makes me feel ancient


ChannelNeo

it's crazy he just finished his 7th season in the league. Honestly, that's right around the time most guys win their first title.


ec2xs

Castle was in elementary school when Tatum was drafted…


TheVaniloquence

My bones are turning to dust


Valuable-Baked

Huh? The car is rust? Speak up, I can't hear you. I gotta go watch 'Hot Bench's then go to the bank


waldosbuddy

You’re a year off


WolverineLong1430

Celtics slot Tatum at the 4 and sometimes 5 so they can play small with Brown, White and Jrue. Without him, it’ll be more difficult for them run their small ball game. Brown can command the back court and Tatum takes care of the front court. Tatum is a great all around player. Brown and Tatum is a great duo.


Run_PBJ

In the finals he was guarding the opposing center like a 5 on defense and initiating the offense like a 1. Under appreciated versatility


Lucky13200

they almost never play tatum at the 5. He sometimes guards 5s but he is not great at being a rim protector. They went to small ball once in the finals and it was disaster and had to call a timeout to get horford back in. They tried it a few times and it just has not been great. Tatum struggles to be the low man on defense.


KgDawk21520

That lineup was awful at the finals , I think if tatum get more reps at the 5 he can do it. It was the first time all season if I remember correctly that they played that lineup.


akelly96

They played that lineup vs the Pacers and it actually did pretty well if I remember right. Tatum is definitely not a natural big man but in spot minutes he's a pretty damn good rim protector for a forward.


RIChowderIsBest

A lot of that had to do with Turner not playing like a traditional center so Tatum matched up pretty well with him. Once he had to face centers that played almost exclusively under the basket it was more of a struggle.


eamonious

The Mavs bigs are so vertical and aggressive, it’s also just not the best idea to try and smallball on them


finstockton

That one minute of small ball is so funny in retrospect, like they took out Al and got outscored 9-2 before sending him back out. Shit gave me a heart attack


Glayshyer

I know they’ve almost never done it but I legit think Tatum can be a small ball center. Jerami Grant was one of my favorite players in the league for the small ball 5 stuff with.. the Thunder? I know they have different bodies but if a big wing like Grant can do it, I think Tatum could learn to do it pretty well, and abuse the opposing team on the other end.


Economy-Barber-2642

I like you.


ahsasahsasahsas

Not to be cliche but r/NBA in shambles


Tasty-Performance275

"tatum will never win a ring"


ahsasahsasahsas

“Carried”


Smokin_on_76ers_Pack

Let’s keep it a buck tho, that team was so good that you can replace Tatum with any star and they would will win a chip


YpsitheFlintsider

That's just silly to discount his distributing and rebounding


finstockton

They’re a heat fan, of course they’re gonna be silly


Smokin_on_76ers_Pack

“He’s so elite! Didn’t you see his passing and rebounding?”


ahsasahsasahsas

Didn’t you see the championship trophy? That’s all that matters, bb. Enjoy the traffic to the empty stadium.


L0VEmeharder

I hear during offseason they drop confetti daily in Phili to practice for the play-in loss.


ahsasahsasahsas

I hear they do the same in Dallas when they’re 3-1!


AlternativeTea9268

This but unironically. He’s the most complete player in the league outside maybe Giannis


HNLTBC

Smokin_on_Heat_Pack


Drummallumin

I guess we’re saying Jimmy’s not a star player anymore


PapaSheev7

Nah. Any superstar and maybe you’d be right. But any ordinary star? Not a chance.


KgDawk21520

Heat fan with a 76ers user name , the fuck is this .


Timoteo-Tito64

That's not a sixers name lol


KgDawk21520

I'm old , what is the meaning ?


Timoteo-Tito64

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smoking%20that%20*%20pack


PabloPancakes92

Celtics literally could’ve won that ring without Tatum being on the roster


jpaxlux

I love when people on this subreddit openly say "I don't watch games, I just watch the box score"


KgDawk21520

Even if you watch the boxscore that's a dumb take , Tatum lead the C's in most categories .


Masuia

Same guys were picking Mavs in 6 I stg you can’t make it up


KgDawk21520

Alot of them picked Mavs in 5 . "CELTICS ArE NoT BaTtLe TeStEd" , like the last 6 years never happened .


Auntypasto

"and I can't be bothered playing a video where someone paid to study basketball talks about the nuances of it either…"


second_impression

Tatum led the team in box score stats too so they're really just hating


ahsasahsasahsas

And yet, no other team won and they certainly didn’t have a Tatum on the roster.


Economy-Barber-2642

Knick fan big sad. Enjoy winning the offseason championship!


711Buckets247

How are you not already working in an NBA front office with that massive basketball IQ brain of yours?


financial_goth

He really is the most versatile player in the NBA right now hands down.


optimusgrime23

And Steph has the same type of skills where he could legit do anything asked of him in college. Obviously don't see him ever getting to Tatums level but could absolutely seeing him have a very similar overall game if he develops his shot.


DreTownblues

Calling him steph really confused me for a minute.


cigarettesandwater

Right??! Its like calling Mark Jackson MJ - there is only ONE Steph.


chivestheconqueror

It’s like calling Jordan Clarkson “Dr. J”


Responsible_Nose_300

Just call him Jordan


Valuable-Baked

I'll call Dee Reynolds 'Bird'


jmay111

or Jordan lmao


Drummallumin

I still can’t with people calling LaMelo Melo


SurelyOPwillDeliver

There was a YT video floating around recently where a guy was asking young kids at a bball camp who “Melo” is and like 90% of the kids said Lamelo Ball. Felt really old watching that


fishiouscycle

Nah man Curry can switch onto centers no problem


Drummallumin

I mean he guarded Al in the post in the finals


optimusgrime23

understandable, I'm a UConn fan so didn't even cross my mind lol


Matto_0

Still LeBron imo.


siphillis

LeBron takes entire quarters off on defense


Matto_0

Everyone does in the regular season. Tatum can't play the point to the level of Lebron, he can't ball handle to the level of Lebron. He can't defend the paint or a true big in the post as well as Lebron due to lack of muscle. It's debatable if he is a better shooter than Lebron right now. Lebron is still more athletic and stronger than Tatum.


siphillis

From the three-point line, it's close. Everywhere else, Tatum is clearly the better shooter


Matto_0

LeBron has a higher 2pt FG%, which is all that matters, it doesn't matter if Tatum shoots a higher 2pt FG% from <3ft inside the 3pt line or <6ft inside the 3pt line, any 2pt FG is worth 2pts, and Lebron shoots them at a higher percentage.


siphillis

This is a pretty brazen moving goalpost. If we're comparing them as shooters/floor-spacers, then finishing at the rim is not pertinent. Moreover, shot-profiles also matter. Rudy Gobert is never in these discussions for a reason. Tatum shoots a considerably higher percentage from 10 feet to 23 feet. He also average three more three-point attempts per game. He's a considerably greater threat when spacing the floor than LeBron. Moreover, when he's fouled, he's much more capable of converting at the line. I still think LeBron is the better _overall_ player because his scoring and playmaking are elite, but he's not the complete two-way package that Tatum is right now


watsonthedragon

r/nba: yeah but he's corny and loves his kid


JoJonesy

i mean he *is* kind of corny, i just don't get why that bothers people so much. like you don't have to like him but it's a weird thing to complain about


alexm42

You can find worse things to say about the character of 90% of the players in this league than "corny." Just admit you hate him cause he wears green, it's far more honest and you don't look like an idiot when I open your comment history and find how thrilled you were that Miles Bridges (just to name one example I've seen from someone calling JT corny) came back.


thewrongnotes

People like unique, interesting characters, it's not that confusing. NBA fans have always cared about player image. Maybe that's weird, but we're all guilty of it.


CreatiScope

Eh, both sides are great. I loved Tim Duncan and KG.


glorstonne

Tim Duncan always had something a little weird and interesting going on under the memed stoicism though


thewrongnotes

Well yeah, Tim Duncan is arguably the best power forward of all time. It becomes easier to love players when they are undeniably brilliant for over a decade. But Duncan is actually a good example of what I was talking about - his unspectacular play style and quiet personality meant he was never that popular relative to his success.


GlueGuy00

Lebron being corny: Flirting Tatum being corny: Harrassment r/nba in a nutshell


TerryGlenn

Jimmy Butler is cornier than both of them but he gets talked about like he’s MJ. Tatum is more flat out boring personality-wise than corny, but the Kobe stuff kind of stuck him with that reputation.


OddToba

My favorite player’s favorite fan’s favorite fan.


Valuable-Baked

"corny" Boston superstar [who loves their son](https://youtu.be/_wzLQAmfneU?si=FQ_NJEUC1WqwP13N), where have I heard that before ....


OG3NUNOBY

We did it!!!!!!


jmay111

he's only corny if you compare him to Kobe; if you look at other players around the league like Jimmy Butler than Tatum is straight cool like Miles Davis


stupidgame67

What makes Jimmy corny?


jmay111

unfortunately you cant share pictures here but I am sure you can figure it out using google images


Tasty-Performance275

JT is so good looking he triggers peoples insecurities. easier to do fanfiction and make things up about him than accept that they'll never be as hot as him.


JoJonesy

no offense to JT but he's like the fourth prettiest dude on the team at best


InAingeWeTrust

Yup behind Derrick White, Jordan Walsh, and Luke Kornet


sheebzus0

I can’t believe you forgot Xavier Tillman


ottersinabox

my list is JB horford and d white.


Tasty-Performance275

well the celtics do run deep in the looks department


WembanyamaGOAT

Bro what 💀 I don’t think there’s a single person out there that doesn’t like him because he is “hot” and they are jealous LMAO What a weird ass thing to say


celtics2024champ

I know you’re turned on rn


WembanyamaGOAT

Why would I be turned on?


celtics2024champ

Holy shit he’s got a boner


WembanyamaGOAT

Ha


lolcoatedalmonds

celtics infested this thread they think people hate jt because hes "hot" LOL


Honestonus

Tell that to my erotic Tatum fiction


L0VEmeharder

They ain't ever seen a shirtless interview Tatum


Honestonus

me in the Celtics locker room 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵


WembanyamaGOAT

Yup, I was at -10 downvotes on my comment originally. Glad some people not crazy finally hopped in this thread Oh well they gave me a good circle jerk to post 😂


Substantial-Fold-592

Imagine being so desperate to justify why your star player is unlikeable that you convince yourself that it’s because they’re too good looking 💀 Sounds like me trying to justify my dating track record


fantastische_Fische

Unlikeable? Mfer sold the second most jerseys in the league lol.


Substantial-Fold-592

Third most actually. And no way - the superstar on one of the most popular teams sells lots of jerseys? That’s crazy.. and hardly correlated to likeability. How many fans buy jerseys of opposing teams superstars because they’re likeable? But yes, please do tell me why many NBA fans that find him unlikeable are actually incorrect and deep down find him likeable, purely because of jersey sale stats lol. I guess Devin Booker is also super likeable to people other than Suns fans because he sells lots of jerseys too


Tasty-Performance275

then why do they fabricate reasons to shit on him?? the weird "plagiarizer" narrative for example is nothing but fanfiction. people are jealous of him. and it's ok. we're all human and it's natural to feel insecure and jealous sometimes. jt clearly has that effect on a lot of people here


WembanyamaGOAT

I just don’t think it has absolutely anything to do with his looks lmao


lolcoatedalmonds

hes boring and corny just look at his celebration hes got zero personality lmao WE DID IT!!!


Riot1990

I'm sorry but if that's all you have to complain about the dude, it's just kinda sad at this point. Oh no, while emotional and celebrating the greatest achievement in basketball, he got amped and did a similar celebration to other greats.


Tasty-Performance275

of course he's corny. he's a father. everyone knows you become 5x cornier when you become a dad. the fixation on his celebrations was weirdo behavior tho. literally everything he did people found a problem with. clear jealousy🤷🏻‍♀️


mikevick1234

What a diabolically strange thing to say💀💀


Extreme-Transport

Celtics fans when their players aren’t unanimously loved by everyone: 😮


jrlandry

What fan base likes having their best player hated on? You got examples?


Tasty-Performance275

it's ok. we know ya'll are just jealous of jt


bjb406

I knew I liked this guy. Good pick San Antonio.


sewsgup

youll probably like listening to Castle on the knuckleheads pod says he grew up rooting for the Celtics, bc he was rooting for Jaylen Brown (both from Atlanta). then says he's never actually met/talked to him, so Quentin and Darius put the word out that Jaylen should reach out to Stephon https://youtu.be/fTM-HtCXqJw


cigarettesandwater

Its crazy to hear prospects talk about growing up watching Jaylen Brown...


Significant_Slip_883

Same here. 'growing up watching' should end with players like Tim Duncan or Kobe. But we are old now. Turns out when Brown is draft Castle is 11.


Lone_Star_122

Some reporter asked Wemby about having watched David Robinson. He kinda just sidestepped the question, but it’s not too difficult to do the math and realize Robinson was before Wemby was even born 🤣 Time moves fast


ChiRaider

Hawks down so bad Atlanta kids root for guys from the city rather than the team bruh


bigblooddraco

? You always root for the hometown guys succeeding. Especially athletes because it shows them they can make it from the same starting to the same destination


mgoldie12

As a Toronto native that has watched a million more OKC games than Raptors games this season, I can relate lmao


sharedtraumamusic

He is in the same archetype of Tatum in terms of being a wing-facillitator. 2030 Finals be like: The Jays tries to conquer the Wembanyama Castle. You heard it here first.


cigarettesandwater

Nah hes a guard so more like Jrue


BuddhistInTheory

A Celtics-Spurs Finals would be interesting since the Celtics are yet to lose to a Texas team in the Finals.


Economy-Barber-2642

6’6” vs 6’8”


DyslexicWalkIntoABra

Pretty sure Tatum is 6’10 now


RogueDoor

7'1 and growing


Wedundidit00

He’s def smarter than r/nba


Plies-

[r/nba whenever Tatum does anything](https://streamable.com/zjmu95)


rumblegod

yessir, more impactful than ad. most underrated actual superstar


fearthemuradinbeard

Yea yea that's cool, bro. but can jayson tatum tie a shoe?


Ok_Acanthaceae6057

Can we get this kid on the Derick White timeline?


bojianna

no 😡


winnebagomafia

In fact give him back


bootyholebrown69

No


ThayerRex

Such a Spur player. No franchise in history has done such a great job picking players that buy into the “ Spurs way” They’re respectful, dedicated and humble. I believe Leonard was a Spur personality as well, but his injury fractured the trust, and the weird uncle whispering in his ear didn’t help matters. That was one of the biggest mistakes in Spur history, they dropped the ball on Leonard, and paid dearly, but luck is always with the franchise and welcome Wemby and now Castle


Run_PBJ

I kinda think UConn under Hurley is turning into a spurs factory. Clingan had some awesome quotes the other day about “I didn’t shoot more because coach told me what to do to win” and he said he would rather get a block than a dunk because “offense gets paid, defense wins chips”. That’s the most spurs shit ever lmao


ThayerRex

I agree


Guardian295

Kinda looks like T.I.


Solid-Confidence-966

We need to start talking about Tatum the same way we do with Bron. He’s obviously not at Bron’s level but he’s probably the closest modern player we have to him when it comes to versatility.


akelly96

I think it's because Tatum didn't start as such a good facilitator. He came into the league and got recognition for his scoring. When he broke out as a definitive star in the 19-20 season it was due to his elite 3 point shooting and scoring as well as defense. Now he's bulked up and shifted his game to being much more rim focused as well as more focused on facilitating and because that's not what he broke out for doing people are unwilling to credit him for it.


Squishy-Bandit12

Getting downvoted for speaking facts smh


cigarettesandwater

Jokic and Luka are more like LeBron than Tatum is


akelly96

They really aren't at all. Just because they put up lots of assists doesn't mean they play like Lebron.


eamonious

Luka’s offense is closer to Bron’s as far as being helio and having god tier court awareness, but Tatum is one of the league’s better high usage passers also. Meanwhile, Luka’s offensive game has zero of Bron’s explosiveness and rim pressure, and of course little to no comparison to Bron on defense. Tatum’s game has both of these elements, albeit not quite at Bron’s level. Overall I would say Tatum’s game is more similar to Bron’s in terms of being elite or near-elite in all facets of play. Jokic is very different from Bron, not seeing that comp much at all.


--Alix--

For every action there is an overreaction.


EurolikeGino

Lmfao get out of here bro.


Ilikesporks_

yeah we're not gonna do that


rustrustrust

Tatum closer to Bron than Ant is to MJ.


Ilikesporks_

neither are close to either player


reeposterr

No one said anything about Aunt or MJ


OGTypohh

Why would we talk about him with the same respect if he's not at Lebron's level? It took Tatum 6 years to hit 30.1 ppg while LeBron hit 31.4 at 21 years old(3rd year) when the average scoring was at 97 ppg compared to 110.6 ppg for 2022-23 I agree he's the closest thing to LeBron in the NBA but that's more because of their body type, play style, and position. And I'm not even a LeBron fan tbh lol.


dafire123

Rookie knows ball


BigDMike1990

He knows basketball


BuddhistInTheory

People were so busy judging Tatum’s shooting splits that they forgot how great of a playmaker and rebounder he has become.


Shaqfor3

Tatum is like wtf Am I that old?


Timoteo-Tito64

Hell yeah


CommunityGlittering2

Was this after the draft, if so get rid of this guy? I want someone who will pick a Spur as their favorite player after they've just been drafted by the Spurs. I bet Dillingham would have named a Spur! /s


SandyMandy17

Tatum is the new PG I’m sick


Le4-6Mafia

I feel truly terrible for the post-Bron generation. No one should have to grow up with Jayson Tatum as your favorite player, that’s no childhood 


Wedundidit00

Hey now, it’s progress from Kobe


711Buckets247

Absolutely man, totally make sense someone like you enjoys pedophiles more then a corny momma’s boy like Tatum.


Le4-6Mafia

You sound unhinged lol 


rawman200K

ask him if he thinks tatum can go up another level


OptimizedEarl

i hate this stroking other players ya gonna face in a few months