Why do you think someone with King's flair made this post dog
Dude is edging rn
(honest answer though is that 7 game series against the Kings the year before. The Warriors put *everything they had* into that series and barely limped out alive and had *nothing* left in the tank after. That's when it felt like it was over to me anyway)
True, y’all have nothing to be ashamed about, you still won 4 rings in an 8 year span with Steph, Klay and Draymond, and you will forever be known for revolutionizing the game of basketball and winning championships, the 2022 run is for me what made Steph top 10 all time, he was insane in the Finals vs the Celtics that year.
+1 to this.
I believe that the team chemistry went to -10000 after that incident happened
Draymond was the reason why KD and Poole get traded.
Imagine if they weren’t beefing and KD stayed with the dubs. They would’ve probably won 2-3 more rings
Dray started beefing because KD had one foot out the door. That was the whole vibe in 2019. If Dray and KD didn't fight, I think KD would still have left regardless.
Why did KD have one foot out the door?
If my memory serves me correctly, it’s because Dray was talking shit to KD and was telling him that it will never be his team, and that its Steph’s team.
What i was trying to say is, if Dray and the warriors collectively made KD feel like home and that he’s not just another piece trying to fit on a team maybe It wouldve went along way.
Because the honeymoon phase ended after the 2018 title and no one was giving him the love he felt he'd get. It was still pretty much Steph's team.
Also reports were coming out about KD and Kyrie teaming up together and that lingered until the day Dray blew up. And guess what? KD and Kyrie did end up teaming together after.
So, KD looked like he had one foot out the door and Dray took offense to it because they're in a middle of trying to three-peat, leading to the blowup.
Draymon didn't start beefing with KD until he wouldn't commit to anything past 2019. I think the main reason KD left was because he ultimately felt that it wasn't his team. He was a 2 time Champion and a 2 time FMVP, but the public perception of the Warriors was that it was Steph's team and KD was simply playing second fiddle to Steph.
Draymond didn't start anything. He just called KD out on his lack of commitment in a heated moment. KD left because it was made abundantly clear to him that he was forever going to be in Steph's shadow if he stayed with us. We still love KD but it was foolish of him to think he would ever supplant Steph here.
There's no beef between KD and Draymond. Even after KD left, they played together at the Olympics with no issue, and appeared on podcasts together. I know this sub hates Draymond but you guys really need to stop trying to blame him for everything.
It’s definitely this. A dynasty ends when the team stops winning championships. They won in 2022, Draymond punched Poole in the offseason after, and they haven’t won or come close to a championship since.
Even if you wanna downplay the significance of the punch, it’s still when the dynasty ended—regardless of whether or not it was the primary reason for it ending.
Crazy how they still won in 2022 despite all of the craziness that has happened in 2019, the Warriors ring in 2022 is why I have Steph in my top 10 all time.
Honestly I don’t think they should’ve traded klay. They had a championship formula. I would’ve just tried to get another high-level three and D player, not like an all-star, but maybe like KCP or somebody.
You can, but you need a sturdy rope, a gag so they can't scream if you have company. Secret compartments are useful but if you want to go cheap a locked bedroom will do. Also make sure there is nothing within reach of where they're tied up. You'll need a bit of food if you want to keep them alive. DM if you want more tips.
That someone was Wiggins. Someone everyone knew had low motivation/aggressiveness. From his T wolves days.
They managed to flip him for 1 year and he has been M.I.A. since with mystery issues.
They don't need an other player, they need to make Wiggins valuable again long enough to trade him.
It was never clear that there were any offers on the table. The college season ended abruptly the season before and so there wasn't ever an impression about who teams had to have. Wiseman was considered to be about the same level a prospect as Anthony Edwards that year.
There are three main culprits, one of them is a biased answer from me:
1. Missing on their number 2 pick and drafting James Weisman. They won a championship after that, but a great pick that hits there could have led them to win more, and winning solves problems.
2. Jordon Poole getting the bag and being punched by Draymond probably most obvious, led to the Warriors being forced to trade for Chris Paul to get off that contract since Poole (and the other young guys) played poorly after that. Created a rift between the older guys and younger guys.
3. Them almost losing in a 7 game series against the Kings. I was very keyed into this series as a fan of the Kings. After game 6, on the way to game 7, Steph had to give a legit speech to the team. They were broken until Steph gave a speech and dropped 50. The next round they go on to lose to the Lakers because they were so exhausted.
When they whiffed on the 2nd overall pick. If wiseman lived up to his potential it would extended the dynasty or who knows what lamelo would look like on that team.
With the superman sucker punch. There was just no coming back for the Kumbaya post that and for me personally and even in terms of basketball, the dynasty ended.
It ended when Draymond decked Poole. Any chance of the x2 timeline approach and giving Steph a secondary young star died with that. GSW tried to make good by giving Poole a max extension, but you can't unring that bell
I thought it ended when they drafted Wiseman. Like, that was what I said the night of that draft. I hated that pick so much.
They did win in 2022 and winning a ship is hard af, so it would be weird to say it ended in 2020 when they still won with 5 of the 6 core guys still. So if it didn't end in 2020, I guess it ended when they traded Poole?
That loss to the Pelicans near the end of the season where the rebound went right through our hands. If they win that game they’d be the 8 seed. Probably still don’t go far but the end wouldn’t have been as miserable.
It's pretty easy to do look back at the draft picks with hindsight. Missing out on Tyrese Maxey or Haliburton wasn't an obvious fumble like Luka. The reality is the draft is a crapshoot and you are betting on what you hope a 19 year old kid can develop into in the future. Jokic and Jalen Brunson went in the second round, Jimmy Butler went 30, Giannis went 15, SGA went 11. Why didn't some team just scoop up all those picks and become a superteam dynasty?
Haliburton and LaMelo would not be the players they are today if they were on the Warriors.
They would have been behind the vets in pecking order and would have to scrap to gain minutes and trust from Kerr.
Their dominance ended when KD left, the Dynasty ended not with the punch but everything that led up to it, including contract squabbles. The punch was the inflection point of what had been bubbling and bubbling...simply boiled over then.
Realistically when Klay left, but until Curry stops being Curry they'll always have a chance. Nobody expected them to pull it off in 2022, but they managed to do it. Get Curry a little bit of help and they could still be a threat.
Wiseman was a miss in a year where no one got to see a full season of college ball or do in-person scouting. It had more to do with the whims of fate than any specific failure in the Warriors organization. Wiseman's upside looked potentially incredible but the reality was different.
The second sign was more certain: the fallout from Draymond punching Jordan Poole soured team chemistry. They haven't been the same since. Draymond is no longer the team leader and Steph is miscast in that role. If you ask me, this is when the dynastic Warriors ended, in the preseason of the 2022/23 season.
Whatever the case, the Association has moved on. Big ball is again in vogue and small ball only remains effective in doses is the current theory, in spite of this year's champ being more of a small ball kind of team with bigger wings. I don't think the Warriors aging core could have won a chip beyond '22 even with Halliburton. And the '22 run was kissed by luck at every step--it might have been their weakest overall team to lift the O'Brien.
When Draymond punched Poole. Forced them to overpay Poole, and then vibes were bad for the defending champions. The Warriors, with Dray, Klay, and Curry, lost for the first time to a Western Conference rival.
Jordan Poole should have been part of the Warriors’ future. He sucks on the Wizards, but he still was capable of more next to Steph.
So Poole can't be him without steph. That sounds like a personal problem. I need Poole specifically with steph what that says about poole? U wanna build around somebody that can't play except around 1 player?
It’s not a matter of a personal problem. Basketball is a team sport. Draymond punching a young guy like Jordan Poole, and the team acting like it didnt happened ruined their team chemistry. Poole, on a more reasonable contract, can be positioned as a spark off the bench.
Poole doesnt need to be him. The Warriors need to be them.
You're exactly right. Wiseman ended any hope of the dynasty continuing beyond 2022.
There's zero doubt in my mind that Wiseman is as bad a draft pick as Darko to Pistons in 2003. No, Hali, Melo, and Maxey are not on the level of Carmelo, Bosh, or Wade. But as far as a high draft pick that could have extended a team's contending window and helped them to add maybe one or two more rings, but ended up contributing nothing? Just as bad.
it ended when wiseman turned out to be a super scrub instead of a face of the team level talent sadly. would of been insane had wemby been a little younger and had dubs gotten number one pick. they may have gone on to win 4 more chips lol
I think when the Lakers won the play-in game and LeBron hit the 3-pointer in Steph’s face. I know the title came after this, but it was the moment when things started falling
If they won a title after that how was that moment was the beginning. Steph said u don't wanna see us next yr and won next yr. That's not a downfall that's an uprising. No playoffs to championship in 1 yr
First off neither of them was in contention for the 2nd pick so that’s a moot point.
Second they tried to trade down and no one wanted to move up.
Third Steph and Dray gonna have one more run in them to get the 5th one and ride out into the sunset together.
Yesterday. Not all dynasty’s end on high notes
For example, Lakers Showtime era ended on Magic’s HIV diagnosis.
Thats ending on a positive note though.
Not yesterday. It ended in that play-in game. That was just a pitiful showing from everyone. Even Steph didn't look like he cared.
Steph was being tripled bro it was depressing
Why do you think someone with King's flair made this post dog Dude is edging rn (honest answer though is that 7 game series against the Kings the year before. The Warriors put *everything they had* into that series and barely limped out alive and had *nothing* left in the tank after. That's when it felt like it was over to me anyway)
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In the Steve Kerr era the Warriors have never lost a single playoff series that wasn’t the NBA Finals, *until 2023.* So there’s your answer, OP.
Moody cared and was the Warriors 2nd leading scorer in the play-in game. Kerr rewarded Moody by benching him
It's wild he left when the warriors could've matched the offer.
True, y’all have nothing to be ashamed about, you still won 4 rings in an 8 year span with Steph, Klay and Draymond, and you will forever be known for revolutionizing the game of basketball and winning championships, the 2022 run is for me what made Steph top 10 all time, he was insane in the Finals vs the Celtics that year.
Most don't
When Draymond punched Poole
+1 to this. I believe that the team chemistry went to -10000 after that incident happened Draymond was the reason why KD and Poole get traded. Imagine if they weren’t beefing and KD stayed with the dubs. They would’ve probably won 2-3 more rings
Dray started beefing because KD had one foot out the door. That was the whole vibe in 2019. If Dray and KD didn't fight, I think KD would still have left regardless.
Why did KD have one foot out the door? If my memory serves me correctly, it’s because Dray was talking shit to KD and was telling him that it will never be his team, and that its Steph’s team. What i was trying to say is, if Dray and the warriors collectively made KD feel like home and that he’s not just another piece trying to fit on a team maybe It wouldve went along way.
Because the honeymoon phase ended after the 2018 title and no one was giving him the love he felt he'd get. It was still pretty much Steph's team. Also reports were coming out about KD and Kyrie teaming up together and that lingered until the day Dray blew up. And guess what? KD and Kyrie did end up teaming together after. So, KD looked like he had one foot out the door and Dray took offense to it because they're in a middle of trying to three-peat, leading to the blowup.
Draymon didn't start beefing with KD until he wouldn't commit to anything past 2019. I think the main reason KD left was because he ultimately felt that it wasn't his team. He was a 2 time Champion and a 2 time FMVP, but the public perception of the Warriors was that it was Steph's team and KD was simply playing second fiddle to Steph.
Draymond didn't start anything. He just called KD out on his lack of commitment in a heated moment. KD left because it was made abundantly clear to him that he was forever going to be in Steph's shadow if he stayed with us. We still love KD but it was foolish of him to think he would ever supplant Steph here. There's no beef between KD and Draymond. Even after KD left, they played together at the Olympics with no issue, and appeared on podcasts together. I know this sub hates Draymond but you guys really need to stop trying to blame him for everything.
I agree, the hole mojo changed and it never recovered.
Yes this is the actual answer
FACT
And the organization did nothing with it, he made a documentary how the punch changed him*
It’s definitely this. A dynasty ends when the team stops winning championships. They won in 2022, Draymond punched Poole in the offseason after, and they haven’t won or come close to a championship since. Even if you wanna downplay the significance of the punch, it’s still when the dynasty ended—regardless of whether or not it was the primary reason for it ending.
Woj gonna send the lauri tweet just to fuck with you
I hope we don’t trade for Lauri only because I know Danny ainge will fuck us
Hey man, foh with that slander. Danny Ainge won't fuck you. He'll soak you.
# mormon
I don’t care, put a team around Steph, he deserves that much. We don’t even need to win, just be competitive.
Anulo mufa
overrated player who got his stats on a tanking team and has 0 playoff appearances. Lauri aint even worth Kuminga
After this next championship...more realistically after Wiggins stopped being a second option.
Was going to say.. I’ll tell you when it happens!
It could still be going lol
Crazy how they still won in 2022 despite all of the craziness that has happened in 2019, the Warriors ring in 2022 is why I have Steph in my top 10 all time.
Honestly I don’t think they should’ve traded klay. They had a championship formula. I would’ve just tried to get another high-level three and D player, not like an all-star, but maybe like KCP or somebody.
You can’t keep someone that doesn’t want to stay 😅
You can, but you need a sturdy rope, a gag so they can't scream if you have company. Secret compartments are useful but if you want to go cheap a locked bedroom will do. Also make sure there is nothing within reach of where they're tied up. You'll need a bit of food if you want to keep them alive. DM if you want more tips.
Mazzula burner?
I mean, I would’ve paid him what he wanted to be paid
He didn’t leave because of money, he accepted less than the Warriors offered. His ego got hurt when he wasn’t closing games and getting benched.
Oh, I thought he said he bought into that stuff. I don’t really keep up with that many Warriors games so you’re probably right.
lol you haven’t watched him play recently.
Bruh they were the 10 seed last season, even if they kept Klay and added KCP, I still don’t think that makes them contenders.
That someone was Wiggins. Someone everyone knew had low motivation/aggressiveness. From his T wolves days. They managed to flip him for 1 year and he has been M.I.A. since with mystery issues. They don't need an other player, they need to make Wiggins valuable again long enough to trade him.
I don't think so you Insufferable-Asshat
As long as they have the greatest shooter of all time, they will always have a chance.
I don't know when it ended exactly, but I do know it didn't end before the 2022 title lol really?
Insane huh? I've never heard of a dynasty ending before their last chip.
Everyone knows the Bulls dynasty ended when MJ left to play baseball.
Definitely. 2nd 3peat doesn't count!
After they beat Boston in the Finals.
Idk, didn't something else happen between the Finals and the beginning of the next season?
It was over after they raised the Larry o Brian. It was too perfect to ever be replicated no matter what amount of good FO moves were done
Does anyone know what teams offered GS for that #2 pick?
It was never clear that there were any offers on the table. The college season ended abruptly the season before and so there wasn't ever an impression about who teams had to have. Wiseman was considered to be about the same level a prospect as Anthony Edwards that year.
There are three main culprits, one of them is a biased answer from me: 1. Missing on their number 2 pick and drafting James Weisman. They won a championship after that, but a great pick that hits there could have led them to win more, and winning solves problems. 2. Jordon Poole getting the bag and being punched by Draymond probably most obvious, led to the Warriors being forced to trade for Chris Paul to get off that contract since Poole (and the other young guys) played poorly after that. Created a rift between the older guys and younger guys. 3. Them almost losing in a 7 game series against the Kings. I was very keyed into this series as a fan of the Kings. After game 6, on the way to game 7, Steph had to give a legit speech to the team. They were broken until Steph gave a speech and dropped 50. The next round they go on to lose to the Lakers because they were so exhausted.
When they whiffed on the 2nd overall pick. If wiseman lived up to his potential it would extended the dynasty or who knows what lamelo would look like on that team.
They still managed another title, but the dynastic version of the team ended with Klay's ACL tear.
With the superman sucker punch. There was just no coming back for the Kumbaya post that and for me personally and even in terms of basketball, the dynasty ended.
It ended when Draymond decked Poole. Any chance of the x2 timeline approach and giving Steph a secondary young star died with that. GSW tried to make good by giving Poole a max extension, but you can't unring that bell
It ended with the Poole - Draymond scuffle
Dray punching his teammates and telling them to leave.
Are you asking... where were we when Warriors was kill?
It was the punch.
I thought it ended when they drafted Wiseman. Like, that was what I said the night of that draft. I hated that pick so much. They did win in 2022 and winning a ship is hard af, so it would be weird to say it ended in 2020 when they still won with 5 of the 6 core guys still. So if it didn't end in 2020, I guess it ended when they traded Poole?
October 5, 2022. Iykyk
when the lakers beat them in 2023
That loss to the Pelicans near the end of the season where the rebound went right through our hands. If they win that game they’d be the 8 seed. Probably still don’t go far but the end wouldn’t have been as miserable.
When Klay’s Achilles kept exploding
It's pretty easy to do look back at the draft picks with hindsight. Missing out on Tyrese Maxey or Haliburton wasn't an obvious fumble like Luka. The reality is the draft is a crapshoot and you are betting on what you hope a 19 year old kid can develop into in the future. Jokic and Jalen Brunson went in the second round, Jimmy Butler went 30, Giannis went 15, SGA went 11. Why didn't some team just scoop up all those picks and become a superteam dynasty?
Haliburton and LaMelo would not be the players they are today if they were on the Warriors. They would have been behind the vets in pecking order and would have to scrap to gain minutes and trust from Kerr.
Their dominance ended when KD left, the Dynasty ended not with the punch but everything that led up to it, including contract squabbles. The punch was the inflection point of what had been bubbling and bubbling...simply boiled over then.
When they got blown out by the kings in the play in game and Klay went 0/10.
Fuck it, I got one more in me.
Lebron ended it last year
Realistically when Klay left, but until Curry stops being Curry they'll always have a chance. Nobody expected them to pull it off in 2022, but they managed to do it. Get Curry a little bit of help and they could still be a threat.
When Wiggins and Poole decided to be no shows in their own ways, then Klay Brickson decided to be the ultimate no show.
2023. Klay was already pretty washed in 2022 but Warriors wasted 2 back-end years of Steph's prime acting like be wasn't.
Ended the moment they signed KD
KD got them 2 rings
When KD left.
Wiseman was a miss in a year where no one got to see a full season of college ball or do in-person scouting. It had more to do with the whims of fate than any specific failure in the Warriors organization. Wiseman's upside looked potentially incredible but the reality was different. The second sign was more certain: the fallout from Draymond punching Jordan Poole soured team chemistry. They haven't been the same since. Draymond is no longer the team leader and Steph is miscast in that role. If you ask me, this is when the dynastic Warriors ended, in the preseason of the 2022/23 season. Whatever the case, the Association has moved on. Big ball is again in vogue and small ball only remains effective in doses is the current theory, in spite of this year's champ being more of a small ball kind of team with bigger wings. I don't think the Warriors aging core could have won a chip beyond '22 even with Halliburton. And the '22 run was kissed by luck at every step--it might have been their weakest overall team to lift the O'Brien.
When Lonnie Walker murdered them
When Draymond punched Poole. Forced them to overpay Poole, and then vibes were bad for the defending champions. The Warriors, with Dray, Klay, and Curry, lost for the first time to a Western Conference rival. Jordan Poole should have been part of the Warriors’ future. He sucks on the Wizards, but he still was capable of more next to Steph.
So Poole can't be him without steph. That sounds like a personal problem. I need Poole specifically with steph what that says about poole? U wanna build around somebody that can't play except around 1 player?
It’s not a matter of a personal problem. Basketball is a team sport. Draymond punching a young guy like Jordan Poole, and the team acting like it didnt happened ruined their team chemistry. Poole, on a more reasonable contract, can be positioned as a spark off the bench. Poole doesnt need to be him. The Warriors need to be them.
It ended when LAL beat them in 2023. Signs where there that they were declining tho prior to that.
With hindsight, probably 2023 imo
The dynasty never ends.
You're exactly right. Wiseman ended any hope of the dynasty continuing beyond 2022. There's zero doubt in my mind that Wiseman is as bad a draft pick as Darko to Pistons in 2003. No, Hali, Melo, and Maxey are not on the level of Carmelo, Bosh, or Wade. But as far as a high draft pick that could have extended a team's contending window and helped them to add maybe one or two more rings, but ended up contributing nothing? Just as bad.
it ended when wiseman turned out to be a super scrub instead of a face of the team level talent sadly. would of been insane had wemby been a little younger and had dubs gotten number one pick. they may have gone on to win 4 more chips lol
The moment we bounced em from the playoffs.
You all were allowed to play tackle football though. The Warriors got penalized for playing touch. It was pretty disgusting, all told.
After the Lonnie Walker game.
after curry win his 5th ring
I think when the Lakers won the play-in game and LeBron hit the 3-pointer in Steph’s face. I know the title came after this, but it was the moment when things started falling
If they won a title after that how was that moment was the beginning. Steph said u don't wanna see us next yr and won next yr. That's not a downfall that's an uprising. No playoffs to championship in 1 yr
Found the Cavs fan still salty about going 1-3 in the Finals vs. the Warriors
First off neither of them was in contention for the 2nd pick so that’s a moot point. Second they tried to trade down and no one wanted to move up. Third Steph and Dray gonna have one more run in them to get the 5th one and ride out into the sunset together.
It may not be over yet, but that punch would be where it ended
When the Kings made Klay go 0-10 😂
It was a Tuesday I believe..
When KD got hurt against the Raptors. No the 2022 finals was not part of the dynasty
Don't count 2014 sas ring then.
Why not?
In 2019 when the Raptors put that dagger in nice and deep.
When the Raptors lucked out with favorable injuries?
Nice....and.....deep
What dagger? Kd and klay injures were more daggers than losing to Toronto in the finals