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mvs2527

I won $4. Now I suddenly have an opinion about the estate tax.


Rhomega2

If two of my numbers were 1 number higher, I also would have won $4. To be fair, I've won like $16 in the past year.


toothepastehombre

Perfect example of near miss bias. Lotteries exploit this bias blatantly in scratch tickets when the winning numbers are always one digit away from several of the "random" pool of playing numbers. Example: you scratch 13 and 69 for winning numbers, guaranteed at least one of the following numbers will be in the pool: 12, 14, 68 or 70 - every time. Good example of Stratified Random Sampling. That bias carries over to combination Lotteries when single matching number awards a smaller portion of the prize. The more numbers that align with the winning combination, the winnings(and excitement) incrementally increase. Setting the stage for "I almost had it" cognitive conditioning. I'm no ascended master of my mind... I also bought a ticket and won $4...


sophos313

It’s interesting you mention the one number off and it excites people. Every time I play a scratcher and the number is 5 but the prize number is 6 it ends up being a loser without fail.


Drix22

This, if the numbers were colors people would understand there isn't an "almost".


LittleKitty235

Blue is almost purple There is no limit in how humans can make connections between dissimilar things


SqueakyTuna52

When my family plays Farkle, someone comments every single game that “oh I was soo close to a straight!” when they get, for example, 123446


YummyArtichoke

Well I'm colorblind so there are a few "almosts" there too And after thinking about for 10 second more, it suck cause there could be times where I thought I won but then someone else looks and goes *"almost"*


chowyungfatso

So what’s your opinion on the estate tax then?


GozerDGozerian

Hmm. I forgainst it!


lcenine

How much have you spent? Net gain or loss?


Rhomega2

All of it. Usually goes to more tickets, but one time I just bought snacks with it.


SautDeChat

I won $4 too. $4 club in the comments section.


castle45

$8 winner


Evilsushione

Mr. Money Bags


WaxMyButt

It’s gross all these poors with $4 are commenting when you won DOUBLE their winnings.


jammixxnn

That email from using the app hurts. Congratulations You’ve won! Runs and Checks app. Holds breath. $4!!!! Yay French fries!


LulaBelle728

Not in this economy.


Emu1981

>That email from using the app hurts. The lotto here in Australia will tell you how much you have won in the "congratulations on your win" email if your winnings are smaller than a certain amount. No idea what this certain amount is though but it is over $100 lol.


haley_joel_osteen

$13,609,996 more before you have an estate tax issue.


zoddrick

I too won $4. That congratulations you won email sure was a good troll.


mvs2527

I almost woke my family up at 6am over that email


youreblockingmyshot

More than I’ve ever won. I’m incredibly lucky in the fact I’ve never won a single lotto ticket in the almost decade I’ve randomly purchased them on a whim. Probably less than $200 over a decade, good for the day dreams though so I ain’t complaining.


the70sdiscoking

Dont you worry about the estate tax. Let me worry about blank!


scorpyo72

That'll be tree-fiddy.


CarelessWhiskerer

I also won $4. I played my fortune cookie numbers. Granted, I spent $12 to get that $4. Sadly my Chinese food wasn’t good. I was robbed.


ladderboy124

Why is it always delayed when it’s over a billion?


Tribat_1

Because the number of tickets purchased increases exponentially when the jackpot is over a billion. 


ladderboy124

What does that have to do with drawing the numbers?


Anonymosity213

The total number of tickets purchased is referred to as the "pool" and people in 46 different states and various time zones can purchase tickets up to an hour before the drawing. All the states convene to ensure pools are closed and all the sales numbers are balanced *before* the drawing to make sure it's fair. Sometimes, especially when ticket purchases are through the roof, one of the states can take a little longer to double-check their numbers, report their numbers, or run into a technical glitch in the process. This can happen with any drawing, but when all eyes are on the drawings at over $1B, you really don't want to be the state that screwed up the results. It's better to delay the drawing for security. Unfortunately, this doesn't stop every conspiracy-brained person from screaming "rigged!" because they can't comprehend the idea of a genuine logistical issue.


c_ray25

Of course, first thing I heard this morning from the pool of co-workers that bought tickets was “rigged”


randiesel

It IS rigged. They designed the chances to be incredibly small with a severely negative EV. It’s most definitely rigged, just not the drawing itself.


ExpensiveBurn

I saw the math last time these jackpots got huge and they *do* eventually become slightly +EV, I think somewhere around the 700 million mark. There are ~300million possible Powerball combinations, but after factoring in the odds of a split, taxes, etc.


randiesel

They don’t though, because the odds of 2+ people splitting the pot also increases. ETA: good edit, lol


nowenknows

It increases even more when the first 5 numbers are below 31. Because of birthdays.


ExpensiveBurn

oh ok thanks


Rude_Entrance_3039

There have been a number of billion dollar jackpots and most of them don't get split. In fact, of the 10 largest, all over 1 billion, all but one was to a single winner with one being split three ways.


DargeBaVarder

It’s higher with Taxes and the payout cut. When it gets this high it’s arguably +EV to buy one ticket, but there’s still the chance that two people win


TheLuminary

That does not mean it is rigged..


Snuffalapapuss

I view it as a voluntary tax.


Thestoryteller987

I view it as government-run gambling...and since I don't have an opinion on gambling I don't really give a shit.


wwwdiggdotcom

I used to not give a shit about gambling when it was relegated to just physical casino buildings and lotteries but now that gambling is literally everywhere and in everything I believe it is a scourge on society.


Trmpssdhspnts

My friend calls it "The Idiot Tax"


CouchHam

Same in my family


sokobanz

It’s actually called poverty tax, because a lot of people who are extremely poor do buy lottery ticket


talkingspacecoyote

Poor people account for the majority of lotto purchases I'd imagine


Conch-Republic

That's not what rigged means in gambling. It's not rigged. It's mind boggling to me how people can upvote this dumb shit.


randiesel

Perhaps because we aren't using it as a term of art. Words can have multiple meanings, context is key, that's the nuance of the post.


LikeALincolnLog42

What is EV?


randiesel

Expected Value. It can get complicated, but it's basically (your win probability * the net prize) + (your lose probability * net ticket cost) Assume a charity raffle with 10 total tickets. Tickets cost $1 and the prize is $8 (with $2 being donated to the charity or whatever) Your EV is (1/10 * 7) - (9/10 * -1) (.7) + (-.9) -.20 In other words, buying a $1 ticket would expect you to lose $.20


LikeALincolnLog42

Thank you!


pegothejerk

So lizards check the numbers and make sure they pick a number not bought, but sometimes they mess up, because lizards don’t really know what numbers are, got it.


Defiant-Peace-493

Shoulda brought in a lizard wizard. They know their numbers, and have cute little octarine hats.


Ferociouspanda

The guy presiding over the lottery should be the King Gizzard


velvetrevolting

Lottery insurance. Not a bad idea Gecko.


DemSumBigAssRidges

This is the US government. Stay where you are. \*licks eyeball*


happytree23

According to the psychos I get my news and facts from, there are Jewish space lasers involved somehow as well.


emale27

How dare you use facts and logic on here. We need convoluted conspiracy theories not this rationale bullshit you're spewing /s.


-_-Batman

If I didn’t win … it is obviously rigged . ———-Trump


KSRandom195

My understanding is one of the states hadn’t yet verified/reported their numbers. So the set of numbers that had been chosen by players wasn’t “final”. My take is they have some silly system where until that happens someone could add a new ticket to the list. So if you draw the numbers before that, someone could side-channel the numbers and cheat by adding their own ticket with the numbers after the draw but before the finalization. I have no inside knowledge, so this is my best guess.


friedmators

It’s just a big excel file.


brucebrowde

Copy of Lottery\_Final!\_(2).xlsx


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MarchionessofMayhem

This is the answer.


centizen24

There's [an episode of of a cyber security podcast](https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/101/) where the host interviews someone who did an engagement with a major lottery organization in Puerto Rico. He goes into detail about the pretty extreme security measures they take (and how even they weren't good enough to prevent a fraud). I'd have to imagine (hope) that powerball would be operating at least the same or higher level of security. Interesting listen if you want to learn about the inner workings of these types of organizations.


JerkfaceMcDouche

Because the ticket validation takes longer. It has to be done before the drawing


homer_3

Why isn't it done the instant they're purchased?


srfrosky

It is. But the number of tickets purchased increases exponentially when the jackpot is over a billion. 


chiefkiefnobeef

But why male models?


DataKnights

Are you serious? I just told you that a moment ago.


FREE-AOL-CDS

When will you wear wigs?


PandaDemonipo

Because the ticket validation takes longer. It has to be done before the drawing


Zspec1988

Why does there need to be ticket validation before drawing? Never mind there’s an explanation below… it makes sense but also…. It makes sense people here are feeling skeptical and emotional because no one here has claimed the jackpot. But also I didn’t even play lol. I don’t get out of bed until 1.5 billion! SoI’m not complaining.


WhenTheDevilCome

I've never seen an "exact" explanation. Several of the articles about the delay did make reference to "fairness of the drawing." What I'd suspect is that they want to "lock in" every area's reporting of their sales and ticket numbers they sold before the drawing starts. No mis-counts, discrepancies to be resolved after the fact, etc. So that Tennessee isn't constantly like *"Oh hey guise, we found another 1000 tickets after you did your little drawing thing, and one of them had the winning number! Again! I know!!"*


endlesscartwheels

That was a disturbing flash-forward of Election Night 2024.


Dal90

As the Powerball folks put it diplomatically / pr-speak in the article: >This is done to ensure that every ticket sold for the Powerball drawing has been accounted for and has an equal chance to win. What it really means: So someone can't manipulate a computer at one of the state lottery headquarters to sneak in the winning number after it is drawn. Normal nights states cut the sales off 1 or 2 hours before the drawing time in order to let their computers catch up and account for all the numbers sold in that state.


Westward_Trader

All tickets have to be pre authorized by two computers and one of the jurisdictions was still authorizing that’s why there was a delay.


TheGoodOldCoder

They explained that in the article we're here to discuss. It's a short article.


LostCube

They need to run them all through the simulator to see if they have to pull a winner or if they can sneak in another draw


llamaswithhatss91

Cause it's all a scam, dude.


bentheechidna

That’s wild lmao. $10 million would be the most money I’d ever need for the rest of my life. So long as it’s a $10 million draw or more my opinion doesn’t change whether it’s 10 million or 1 billion. I’d just give away more over the 10 million.


sophos313

Participating states have to complete particular procedures legally. “Powerball game rules require that every single ticket sold nationwide be checked and verified against two different computer systems before the winning numbers are drawn,” the statement said. “This is done to ensure that every ticket sold for the Powerball drawing has been accounted for and has an equal chance to win. Tonight, we have one jurisdiction that needs extra time to complete that pre-draw process.””


Flyingcoyote

It's because they pulled my number and had to redraw. 


Quest4life

You joke but I watched a doc about how the lotteries work and apparently they will do test draws to make sure the machine works and the videos recording properly etc. So imagine how many peoples numbers were drawn but they were test runs so they didn't count.


ImmaZoni

There's actually a dude suing them right now for this, in his case they accidentally posted the test ticket winner to the website and it was his numbers, dude spent a few hours thinking he won [NPR Article ](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/21/1232773305/powerball-lottery-mistake-lawsuit#:~:text=Gaming-,Man%20sues%20Powerball%20lottery%20after%20%24340M%20'win'%20is%20denied,.%22%20Now%2C%20he's%20suing.)


ZarafFaraz

I hope he didn't quit his job in those few hours 😂


IsleofManc

It wasn’t just a few hour mistake. His numbers were up on the website for 3 days straight. Which is more than enough time to make some drastic life decisions


YummyArtichoke

My numbers every time I bet.


user123456789011

I think it’s smart to know every number sold before the drawing. If they didn’t verify all numbers that have been sold, then someone could easily insert the winning number into the system as sold after the draw.


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rz2000

Are you really saying that with a billion dollars on the line no one is going to figure out how to manipulate a printer? Even with multiple redundant record keeping systems, people have hacked tickets for much smaller payouts such as with horse racing and remote betting stations.


Strokeslahoma

I was having this similar discussion trying to explain this to someone recently.  They're handing over a billion dollars, they're gonna want a little more evidence than a slip of thermal paper from a gas station 


rz2000

Yeah, the system also records the numbers chosen, but that needs to be held conclusively in multiple locations to limit the chance of altering numbers after the drawing. The story of hacking horse races is actually really fascinating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Breeders'_Cup_betting_scandal


Imnewtoallthis

That was a great read thanks!


ItsJustReeses

Well yeah, you don't fuck with the biggest fish. It attracts too much attention.


user123456789011

That’s a great point. Since it’s a paper ticket you are redeeming, I’m guessing they’d be afraid of someone counterfeiting a winning ticket. Tickets don’t seem that hard to manipulate, unless they have better security like currency to determine a valid ticket. I’m assuming they don’t have that security feature if this is their current process.


Dereg5

Considering they know exactly what store sold the ticket immediately on drawing it just not the ticket. Stores get a % of the winnings for selling a winning ticket.


user123456789011

That is a product of the current system of reporting all sold tickets before the drawing. Each location reports into the lottery system what tickets they have sold, and that’s why they are able to be identified by the winning ticket.


tovarishchi

So it sounds like the delay is well justified.


DaHokeyPokey_Mia

They also check cameras to make sure the person claiming bought the ticket.


TheFeathersStorm

I think that happened with Lotto Max in quebec? Like 10 years ago. The guy bought two tickets right near the cutoff time and one was in the time and the other one wasn't. When the winning numbers were drawn he thought he won but it turns out that it was seconds over the cutoff. So literally if the tickets have been printed in the opposite order he would have won. I'm also just saying this for memory, I'm not sure on the specific details, maybe I never even happened?


jlebedev

Pretty sure all lotteries do this, but they manage to do so without delay, lmao


distressedweedle

Sure but this becomes the biggest lottery in the world in ticket sales when the jackpot gets over 1B. The logistics get a little harder


user123456789011

Agreed, but I have to imagine with a jackpot this big, there are a ton more players than the usual lotteries. Which is why there seem to only be delays to verify all tickets in play with the very big jackpots.


jimmytickles

The contrarian opinion isn't always the smart one my friend.


happyscrappy

I think the entire process is simply you have to cut off ticket sales and then have enough delay to register all the sales before drawing. Any lottery can do this simply by cutting off sales earlier. So yes, any lottery can get this done by saying simply "sales through saturday, we draw sunday noon". Powerball doesn't seem to think that cutting off sales earlier for every drawing is better than drawing later for the few which have a lot of tickets sold. And they're probably right.


MobilePenguins

Winning jackpot ticket was in Portland, Oregon for anyone wondering


IndieComic-Man

It’s like finding out tomorrow definitely won’t be a snow day and you still have to go to school.


Incredibledisaster

I didn't know there where powerball conspiracies until now


JoshSidekick

It’s 2024. There’s conspiracies about what you had for breakfast now.


360fade

But I didn’t have breakfast? Oh shit


Imatallguy

That’s what they want you to think!


Dismal_Rhubarb_9111

I heard you had breakfast with Elvis and 👽 at CERN and are going to be there for the demon portal that they open durning the eclipse. Also that you slept with Bigfoot.


Kahzgul

Big grape jelly has operatives in every breakfast restaurant in America stealing the strawberry jelly packets.


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Kahzgul

I don’t jelly my dick down your mom’s throat.


Bar_Gent

The best conspiracy ever is that the lottery was set up retroactively as a way to catch time travelers. Lol


FaithlessnessLivid97

That’s actually, like, a cool conspiracy.


winterbird

When it's a big California winner, the conspiracies get really spicy. 


iTzGiR

Same, and they seem to be weirdly popular on this sub by the amount of top comments mentioning some sort of conspiracy.


DerBeamerBoy

Wait you still believe powerball exists?


The_Tosh

Soooo…what are y’all doing with the $600M cash payout?


BIGGREDDMACH1NE

2 chicks at the same time


Manos_Of_Fate

You only need a million for that. With 600 times that much you could have *1200* chicks at the same time.


BIGGREDDMACH1NE

Yeah but I need to save room for hot wings.


theavatare

More like 10k


Manos_Of_Fate

Well let’s not get carried away.


Arikaido777

now you can pay someone to carry you away


MustLoveAllCats

Lmao this chump here scraping bottom of the barrel for the 10k prositutes. If she doesn't charge at least 200k, she's not putting her dick in me.


thelurkylurker

more like 100 bucks in questionable places 😂


forcefieldpercolator

Fuckin’ A


theDigitalNinja

In my state you have to release your name and photos so...probably getting murdered


BaghdadAssUp

This is enough of a deterrent for me surprisingly. I know it's stupid as fuck but every time I think about winning the lottery, I just think about how I can win and get my family and me away from anyone.


winterbird

In the states where you can't claim anonymously, you can hire a lawyer to claim for you through some double trust fund setup. I think it was called a blind trust, like one trust claims through a lawyer and pays out to another trust that you are in control of.  I'm not clear on the details because I only looked it up superficially, but if you look on lotto sites you see large prizes claimed in the name of trusts and a lawyer is in the picture holding that big check. You just have to choose a reputable lawyer, and apparently that it can be stupid expensive to do this. A drop in the ocean of what you'd receive still, of course. 


gubbygub

taking an ambulance to the hospital after my heart attack from winning instead of an uber!


CORVlN

Buncha hookers and cocaine


halfcabin

Hookers n Blow


destructormuffin

I'm taking the annuity. A shockingly high number of lottery winners go broke -- I'd rather have 30 years of income than a single lump sum that I have to invest and constantly worry about whether or not I'll get a return or if the market will crash.


hutuka

Seeing many "rigged" comments on FB was quite something.


captainslowww

Everything looks like a conspiracy when you don’t understand how things work. 


trentyz

Love this line


mortalcoil1

About 10 years ago the odds were reduced from something like 1 in 125 million to 1 in 250 million. I played the lotto the first time it hit a billion, won 1 dollar, never claimed it and never played it again.


Scared_of_zombies

The odds being so long is why the jackpot gets to be so big.


batua78

Wel with inflation being what it is, they better increase that amount /s


DARR3Nv2

Didn’t this happen when it hit $2b as well?


19Chris96

I fucking hate those three digit signs. They've been obsolete for quite a long time already.


CrayonEyes

I agree but it has to be quite costly to replace it in every grocery store, corner mart, liquor store, and every place in between in 46 states. So 999 it is.


Sotanud

I've seen new ones where the millions/billions is also in lights, so it was 1.23 billion instead of 999 million. But really, does it matter? Is anyone not buying a ticket once it hits 1 billion because it isn't higher?


FastFishLooseFish

I was a kid when they had to update the mechanics of gas pumps to display prices over one dollar. That must have been a hell of an undertaking. And now some states are prepping for prices over ten….


bobniborg1

Can they do BIL ? Billion bitches, come buy some


Potential_District52

The Hot Lotto fraud scandal was a lottery-rigging scandal in the United States. It came to light in 2017, after Eddie Raymond Tipton, the former information security director of the Multi-State Lottery Association (MUSL), confessed to rigging a random number generator that he and two others used in multiple cases of fraud against state lotteries. ​ PS: unless I win, it must be a fraud.


BrownEggs93

Well, I didn't win again.


perfectbarrel

You’ll win the next one I can just feel it!


Today_is_the_day569

I have always thought someone could write a great novel or screenplay about these big lotteries being used to fund political candidates!


Dreamin0904

Incoming conspiracy theory that this sort of touches on…a majority of the instances that the powerball/mega millions gets up to a specific dollar value, no one actually wins (a “winner” is drawn but no one actually wins) and the funds go to fuel the military or war in other countries.


goldgecko4

Remember: you're never playing for the money. You're playing for the dream and hope that it provides.


KeyRageAlert

And if you never check your ticket to see if you've won, you'll always be a billionaire in your heart


MustLoveAllCats

Remember: You're never playing for the dream and hope that it provides. You're playing for the bullying, begging, and harassment from family and friends, stalking and strong-arming attempts from strangers, theft attempts, and substance abuse problems.


wwwdiggdotcom

Level 9999 cope


Kurtotall

Did this not happen the last time the jackpot was over one billion?


soiledsanchez

It did, because some states have been accused of rigging stuff


ScheduleFormer1394

Beep bop boop... All printed numbers verified and not selected... Fk u all... Sincerely, Powerball overlord....


FAFoxxy

Had to delay so their specific number wins.


Blue_Swirling_Bunny

Whose? Lotto employees and their families can't win by law. 


Ginger-Nerd

thats pretty interesting, In my country they specifically say lotto employees can enter - as a way of showing/proving how secure their systems are. (i.e they are so fair, that even employees are able to play fairly) That said, after about 30 million they start making it a "guaranteed win" - where the jackpot is divided by the next division down.


BigBullzFan

Can their friends win?


overtoke

explain how they fake the drawing


Striking_Green7600

Dude in Iowa did this with some of the lesser followed lotteries where the number was chosen by an algo instead of the bouncing balls. Exploited a loophole in the code to make it run in a test mode in on certain day that guaranteed one of something like 17 combinations would be the winner. Used others to claim the prizes.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Lotto_fraud_scandal


ImCreeptastic

What shit bags and how convenient they put everything in their mom's name to pay only $1,200 of the $2.3M they owe.


locnloaded9mm

Brother you do realize the scandal of the person in charge of the lottery numbers giving out winning numbers to family and friends for a while. They definitely can win and have won more than a few times.


IceColdFreezie

How would a delay help them do this? They would have just fudged the number and not drawn attention to it


Bbryant90

I always feel like a rich person just goes and buys a $1000 worth of tickets and wins it when it hits a billion ha


NotUpdated

The crazy part is - the person with 1 ticket and the person with 500 tickets, BOTH have such a tiny tiny tiny percentage of winning - smaller than the human brain can comprehend. So while one does have almost 500x better odds at the same time they are both grains of sand on the beach. Rich folks play $25 slots too, both are a bad idea at anyscale - if you're going to play either you should play the least possible to scratch the itch - At the odds of the lottery, you're really buying the mental 'right' to think about what'd you do with the money more so than a 'real' chance of winning.


fireintolight

It’s nice to have a little hope sometimes 


Confusion_Then

They have the same odds to win as everyone else. A popular IG person bought 250k a while back when the jackpot was huge and won peanuts back.


jikn2

My Econ professor used to call the lottery the “stupid person tax” the odds so low and most of the money goes to the government. It’s just a tax on the people dumb enough to play.


Zspec1988

And there just so happens to be a winner…..


the_kevlar_kid

Is it statistically surprising to you that with a lot more tickets being sold that there was a winner?


HCBuldge

1 in 300 million and the us adult population is about 260 million. I know not every adult buys tickets but those who do tend to buy multiple.


Grid1ess

Watch it be DJT. Lmao


statslady23

In Southern California again?


rfjordan

Looks like Oregon


distressedweedle

One of the most populated regions of the US? No way! California is actually #10 on the list of most wins by state even though they have the highest population.


alwaysmyfault

You really need to do your research before you just start spouting BS conspiracy theories. Take a guess which state has the most Powerball winners. Hint: It's not California. It's Indiana. [https://www.powerball.net/winners](https://www.powerball.net/winners) California isn't even in the top 5.


MrStig91

I always tell people what I’d do with the winnings, only problem is I’ve never bought a ticket so I guess that won’t be me…


Nobody_2055

What's the point in "players in Oregon, with few exceptions, cannot remain anonymous" ? It's like a mandatory death mark on your back. Also, who after winning anything above $10 mill, let alone $100 mill with such laws in place, going to NOT move to another city, NOT change their name and NOT get a completely new face reconstruction so they can live in peace?


LordCthulhuDrawsNear

Is it just me, or does it always seem like the winning tickets are in Oregon ?


little_Nasty

I’m from Oregon. No way. Feels like the winners are always from the east coast.


Anonymosity213

It's all recorded [here](https://www.powerball.net/winners).


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So, I should definitely move to Indiana for a higher chance of winning a future jackpot.


Anonymosity213

Yes, that is precisely how odds work!


TheDemocrat1

i won because i did not play.


soiledsanchez

You didn’t win, you just didn’t lose


Comstar

The Powers That Be didn't want one of THOSE people from winning.


TheForkisTrash

I doubt the system is not secure. There is too much tax money at risk for them to allow the perception of it not being fair.