Journalists/propagandists using X/twitter as a reference source, fucking embarrassing. Any journalist that uses X as a source should be laughed out of journalism.
I was not around then either, but I've heard of the incident. Could you explain the context of the phrase "WeDidItReddit" more exactly to me though?
What I'm wondering is whether it was unironically used by redditors believing they had done some good finding out the identity of the bomber before they realised their mistake?
In that case was the phrase used before that incident as one of many of reddits catchphrases just like "thanks for the gold kind stranger" or was it coined during the bostom marathon bombing manhunt?
It was used unironically many times in Reddit's history, but the culminating point was the Boston Marathon Bombing. Here's an OutoftheLoop thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4f340r/where_did_we_did_it_reddit_come_from/
After that point, it switched to ironic usage.
how is it ironic? they aren't calling out another site. they're calling out journalists who cite twitter for anything other than a communication from the subject of the article... I'm sure they'd say the same of reddit/facebook/etc.
Agreed. Unfortunately a lot of people who seemingly wanted it to be him, or someone like him. I don't even know who he his, I just remember all the thinly veiled comments saying "Oh it's exactly who you're expecting it to be". Guess not.
It’s been a mess. The viciousness of the attack and the already sky high tensions sent the media into a frenzy. Some sites were claiming Islamic terrorism which kicked up a storm and then a known antisemite named some 20 yo Jewish kid and the media publicised his name and started claiming Israeli terrorism. It was all a sham and it was a 40 yo schizophrenic man who they had to name to stop conspiracies and the evidence is pointing to mental illness rather than to terrorism.
Him and his family have released a statement. Physically they’re all fine and doing as well as can be expected. Mentally, I can’t imagine the trauma they must be going through, having to see your child’s name (or your own) and face shown on national TV, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Not to mention, the seven network (one of the main Australian news channels who widely reported this without evidence) is already under fire for funding a rapist ex-parliamentarians cocaine and sex worker addiction to secure an interview. I hope he sues them for every penny they have
Sources:
[Sydney uni student wrongly named as Bondi attacker](https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0?amp)
[Students Statement](https://x.com/leo_puglisi6/status/1779468138322821523?s=46&t=Tdr6KLLSKsCM9D-hIXGusQ)
Man, at least in this case it’s easy for him to prove he’s innocent - he just has to be alive. The stabber is in a morgue so he just needs to show his face and it’s immediately apparent they got the wrong guy.
> having to see your child’s name (or your own) and face shown on national TV
It's why I think unless they're already a public figure (news anchor, CEO/representative, etc) they shouldn't be allowed to show their face unless they're convicted. Especially in certain cases where just the accusation can ruin your life, even if you're completely innocent and found as such.
I generally agree. However, I believe this case is special because not only did they name an innocent 20yo, their only source was two people on twitter, and the footage had already been released and statements saying the guy was in his 40’s but the media RAN with such an obviously fake story. I can’t decide whether it’s comical or sad
ALSO: the original footage of the attacker was shown on the news and that ended up being how police could identify him so quickly. He had cut contact with his parents who were essentially his caretakers until he was 35 some time ago and they saw the footage on the news and called the police. It’s devastating. But the point is that without the footage being shown, we still may not know who he could be. Most media is reporting that they’re devastated and are helping police. ONE news station has camped outside their home and is harassing ppl (as usual). This story just keeps getting sadder
[Parents Statement](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/bondi-junction-westfield-stabbings-joel-cauchi-andrew-cauchi/103708652?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link)
What's worse is that news already put out said that the police had already shot and killed the perpetrator who was said to be in the 40s, and the Twitter antisemite claimed and doxxed a still living 20 year old Jewish man...
That’s insane, it’s very obvious from the videos the guy is older.
A 20 year old Jewish kid is the exact opposite of his physical appearance lol. He clearly looks *at least* 35.
Its shameful the lack of journalistic integrity there is today. Everyone wants to rush out the articles to "be the first" but never properly do their due diligence before possibly ruining the life of an innocent person. These news organizations that pushed this false information should be heavily fined to the point it hurts instead of all these wrist slapping fines so they are more careful publishing anything without doing their proper due diligence on the matter.
Christ, imagine listening to the misinformation cesspool that is shitter as your source.
People on that hell hole will quite literally say and do anything with anything in order to push their narrative / agenda. They lack humanity & have zero limits to how far they will go.
When it first occurred people were posting all over social media the name of another man. Police then announced the correct name of the man that did it. So some poor guy was accused before police even made a statement
Knives can be used to kill a lot of people if someone is able to evade capture for a long time. In Canada, on the Labour Day weekend of 2022, a career criminal with dozens of prior convictions who violated parole killed 11 people (including his brother, who was thought to be a co-conspirator at one point) by stabbing them. Australia learned its lesson after the Port Arthur Massacre and imposed gun control. If this killer was able to get a gun, his kill count would likely have been much higher.
Where did you get 5 from? Most surveys agree that there are only about 1.2 guns per American. Even if you only count the 38% of Americans who own guns, the average is 3.1.
While it is true that Americans own the most guns per capita, the amount is way lower.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun\_ownership](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership)
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx)
PooGun control doesn't mean every gun has/d to be metal down into scrap metal. But we treat guns like toys in this country.
But that 5 doesn't even account for all of the illegal guns which tend to be obtained because of how many gun owners don't lock their guns up.
I fucking hate that mentality.
I'm a proud American born and raised but goddamn so many people are legitimately brainwashed into thinking you can't have a "civilized country" without access to firearms. I've pointed out other countries' police forces, the training, and resources but it's always meant with "well that won't work in America because everyone has guns". I love my guns but you know what? At this point, I'd gladly surrender them if it meant no more kids getting shot.
It's fucking draining.
[more guns means more gun deaths ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/)
Yes, guns facilitate suicide as well as causing other issues. Suicide attempts without guns tend to be less likely to succeed than suicide attempts with guns.
dude.. you are an ammosexual and nothing more... I know its mental gymnastics to try to frame it around "I NEED guns because police won't help" but that goes against every type of common sense.6 year olds are brining guns to school, and your solution? I need a gun too?
A few years ago, an Australian policeman drew a gun on a driver he thought was taking too long to pull over. That policeman lost his job and now has a criminal record for illegal/threatening use of a fire arm.
In the USA, I understand how police pull their guns on pretty much every suspect, because the suspects probably have guns too! That's the difference.
Australia never had a gun culture. In my entire life in Australia since the 1970's I've only met one gun enthusiast/owner, who emigrated as a child form eastern Europe and his family had different attitudes.
When we had our first major gun massacre (in 1996, 35 people killed, a "world record" at the time) we banned high-powered (center-fire) cartridges from rapid fire (magazine fed) guns. We didn't ban guns. You can still own rapid fire (rim-fire/shotguns) with a magazine limit (10 rounds for rim-fire and 5 for shotguns), and you can still own high-powered guns (up to the infamous 50BMG) for single shot breech-loaded rifles. It's just the combination of rapid fire and high-power we banned. New Zealand followed our lead when they had their first major gun massacre in 2019.
Unfortunately our system would never work in the USA. For a start you have constitutional rights to bear arms that we never had, and even if you didn't you could never afford the "buyback" that we (and New Zealand) did due to the sheer number of guns!
But our system worked. Shooting deaths since our reform are rare, and usually domestic violence on remote rural properties, or criminals doing "hits" on each other. And I'd hate to think what would have happened in Westfield, Sydney if the killer had a semi-auto assault rifle instead of a knife..
The countries gun control works in don't have a country of 100+ million in near anarchy spewing across their border. No gun control would work in America without intense border security.
Edit: down vote all you want, what I said is true. If we ban guns they'll just flow across the border as easily as the drugs already do. If you're not serious about closing the border then you aren't serious about ending gun violence. End of story.
A few years ago, an Australian policeman drew a gun on a driver he thought was taking too long to pull over. That policeman lost his job and now has a criminal record for illegal/threatening use of a fire arm.
In the USA, I understand how police pull their guns on pretty much every suspect, because the suspects probably have guns too! That's the difference.
Australia never had a gun culture. In my entire life in Australia since the 1970's I've only met one gun enthusiast/owner, who emigrated as a child form eastern Europe and his family had different attitudes.
When we had our first major gun massacre (in 1996, 35 people killed, a "world record" at the time) we banned high-powered (center-fire) cartridges from rapid fire (magazine fed) guns. We didn't ban guns. You can still own rapid fire (rim-fire/shotguns) with a magazine limit (10 rounds for rim-fire and 5 for shotguns), and you can still own high-powered guns (up to the infamous 50BMG) for single shot breech-loaded rifles. It's just the combination of rapid fire and high-power we banned. New Zealand followed our lead when they had their first major gun massacre in 2019.
Unfortunately our system would never work in the USA. For a start you have constitutional rights to bear arms that we never had, and even if you didn't you could never afford the "buyback" that we (and New Zealand) did due to the sheer number of guns!
But our system worked. Shooting deaths since our reform are rare, and usually domestic violence on remote rural properties, or criminals doing "hits" on each other. And I'd hate to think what would have happened in Westfield, Sydney if the killer had a semi-auto assault rifle instead of a knife..
The problem in Canada is that violent crime isn’t punished seriously until it’s murder. Also you can face criminal charges for defending yourself against an attacker.
Oh also, and maybe same in Us tbf, if you kill someone in a car “accidentally”, you might not even see jail time. Small fine. Because “momentary lapse”. You almlst never see jail for that let alone a driving ban.
This goes in Norway too. If I'd carry a knife/any weapon and get in any kind of alteration and then decide I have to defend myself, court would say I'm carrying, I must've been prepared and that's illegal.
There's also a very fine line on use of force between you get jail and it being alright.
Now this is very much an "I think I remember". But I think there was a case in Norway where someone stopped an ongoing rape or mugging, where a 3rd party came in an smacked the perpetrator in the back of the head with an object. And him getting jail for excessive use of force and getting involved the way he did. Instead of trying to talk it out. Again, Idk if it's real, but I think so, probably 15-20 years ago.
If you used a knife you brought with you on your walk and claimed you brought it for self defense. Immediate jail. If you say you just carry a knife because.. you always do. No jail.
Can’t Have a “weapon”. So you can’t bring bear spray with you for self defense. You can bring it with you cause you saw news said bears in this area. Its sort of bad yes. Especially considering every week we hear multiple shootings from gangs who have no problem getting guns.
Why make this about guns though? This person still was able to kill people. Why don’t we, as a society, have the ability to identify and treat people that ultimately will hurt others? If anything this should highlight the problems we have in identifying and treating people.
I don’t disagree they we should limit the access these people have to guns, but in order to do that you have to flag them first and - at least in the US - we’re terrible at it. And then after we identify the person, we need to be able to track and identify them in some database- another thing we’re terrible at (as the current federal system has failed us multiple times). And that doesn’t even address the issues we’re going to have around HIPAA and privacy when we want to start flagging mental health in federal tracking systems.
Guns are a small part of the problem - it’s the identification and tracking of people who are going to hurt others that we need to figure out.
Melbourne Australia had a dude that did that with a car. If you look at a lot of our high pedestrian metropolitan areas there's now way more defensive objects like bollards and shit.
[https://www.rferl.org/a/dozens-killed-as-truck-ploughs-into-crowed-in-nice-france-driver-shot-dead-bastille-day-celebration/27858941.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/dozens-killed-as-truck-ploughs-into-crowed-in-nice-france-driver-shot-dead-bastille-day-celebration/27858941.html)
it was in 2016 and there were 84 deaths.
>The man had opened fire on the crowd. Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said weapons and grenades were found inside the truck after he was killed. Several of the victims reportedly died of gunshot wounds.
The rest of the world is devastated every time there is a mass shooting and wants nothing more than for the US to finally get its shit together and change its gun culture and make sensible laws to protect its people, particularly the children.
Any kind of smugness or jokes you see is people so burnt out from seeing hundreds of children needlessly slaughtered that gallows humour takes over.
Important to remember that a large porrion of the outrageous comments are put there by bad actors to sow discord and fear.
We are the only country in the world where this happens on a daily basis and the only difference is our weird gun culture
The hypocrisy is crazy with you people. It’s ok for you all to joke about Americans getting killed, but god forbid if an American does the same to you.
Bullshit. It's reddit doing what reddit does. Recycle the same rhetoric over and over because it's the one that gets upvotes. I'm not saying US doesn't have gun control problems, I'm saying that people don't say what they actually feel on this site, they do whatever they need to do to get upvotes. Reddit saying or agreeing on anything is a far cry from reality 9/10 times
No you’re wrong. It’s genuine compassion!! Nothing smug about it they just know better and need to educate us. Personally I really appreciate it. I didn’t know gun violence was bad until a European teenager told me a couple months ago.
Except you’re aren’t correct in your thinking. All of those countries had no major change in total homicide rates after their gun control. They also never had a level of gun violence worth measuring in those countries.
To be fair, we deserve all the flack we get when we don’t do anything about the problem. We just keep putting bandaids on bullet holes. The big babies get to keep their guns while actual babies pay with their lives. The hypocrisy of legislating a woman’s control over her own body while failing to legislate any sort of gun control -even just for a little more oversight- is pretty hysterical if we laugh to keep from crying.
You’re absolutely right. I would never pretend to know the full scope of the problem or what the solutions should be as I’m an individual person with only my own experiences to pull from. It’s just what we see happening and nothing effective being done. It would be cool if collectively we could figure it out though.
Alright, let me apologize for my previous response, it was unnecessarily curt. Most people that engage with this topic believe that they know everything already and if only the other side weren't so evil and/or stupid that we'd have fixed the problem decades ago.
One of the big problems is that the current laws aren't even being enforced properly; multiple mass shooters were able to acquire guns legally that shouldn't have been able to. Until that's addressed, more restrictions will only serve to further disempower regular, law-abiding citizens that just want to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
It's hard not to when there is an obvious solution to what goes on over there on a near daily basis. Problem is, someone lacking forethought put it down in ink on a nealy impossible to repeal document that has been turned into a quasi-religeous object of worship and now you are stuck with it while the rest of the watches on, slowly shaking their heads.
I hear you but I mean what do you expect? This is the internet and the internet is going to do what the internet is going to do. You can demand civility all you want but it won’t change anything. I don’t agree at all with the comments you’re referring either for the record, just being realistic here.
There’s that superiority complex! The fact that you think we’re the ones making jokes, when you people laugh at school shootings, just shows you’re own hypocrisy.
Not to mention that the last really big noticeable attack in America saw dozens of cops standing around outside doing nothing while children died. This one saw one cop run into danger, not knowing what she was facing, and dealt with the problem.
Smug Americans in here don’t even know there was a mass shooting in Chicago today where an 8 year old was shot dead. This was the 107th mass shooting in 2024 so far. Focus on your own shit.
That your statement has nothing to do with guns, as far as lawful americans are concerned. It has to do with illegal guns, with illegal modifications, performed by people who are in illegal possession of them, and repeat offenders to boot. This isnt a problem of the american system, its a problem with the justice system allowing these people to continually get back on the streets. Couple that with the fact that the definition was changed for mass shootings, and sure, you have a lot of them.
Hell, a few years ago there was a drive by shooting in chicago, and the DA stated they werent pursuing the subjects because it was "mutual combat." Its hard for america to get its shit together, when these cities keep voting people in who are pro criminal.
While "with only a knife" is a common mindset people don't realize how deadly a common kitchen knife really is nor how difficult it is to defend against it without metal armor on.
The dude was a gigolo oddly enough so I would say he was in likely better shape than your average person too hence why it may have been difficult for people to get away from him.
As a general trend it seems like when new technology is introduced people begin to assume that the obsolete technology is then harmless. A musket is still very much able to kill you from the simple fact it's a 1/2in lead ball traveling at the speed of sound.
An insane person with a deadly weapon is still very much a serious threat to your life no matter how archaic or primitive said weapon appears to be.
I agree, I support stronger gun laws in America, as well. Right now, it’s too easy for people with mental illnesses to obtain a gun. I’m not some super gun-supporting person and don’t even own one. My original comment was made without guns even on my mind, I was generally surprised by the destruction, but everyone else jumped straight to deflecting to guns, which I find irrelevant to a knife attack.
The laws that some countries use to restrict guns where not in fact originally intended for guns and were instead first put on the books hundreds of years ago from the rampant problem of people getting killed from knife and sword attacks. The dueling culture of high born sons also didn't just limit the killing to the poor.
In the United States in the era when guns were single shot muzzleloaders there was national news about rampages done with simple edged weapons usually on farmhouses where the family had little escape opportunities.
In the era of guns it's easy to underestimate someone with a knife, but they can still very easily kill you.
I feel real bad for the young man that was falsely identified as the stabber before.
hopefully he sues
No doubt multiple lawyers have contacted him by now.
Journalists/propagandists using X/twitter as a reference source, fucking embarrassing. Any journalist that uses X as a source should be laughed out of journalism.
This is pretty ironic #WeDidItReddit
Haven't seen Reddit cited as a source
I now see your account’s not that old and you probs weren’t around for the Boston marathon bombing and didn’t get the reference
I was not around then either, but I've heard of the incident. Could you explain the context of the phrase "WeDidItReddit" more exactly to me though? What I'm wondering is whether it was unironically used by redditors believing they had done some good finding out the identity of the bomber before they realised their mistake? In that case was the phrase used before that incident as one of many of reddits catchphrases just like "thanks for the gold kind stranger" or was it coined during the bostom marathon bombing manhunt?
It was used unironically many times in Reddit's history, but the culminating point was the Boston Marathon Bombing. Here's an OutoftheLoop thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4f340r/where_did_we_did_it_reddit_come_from/ After that point, it switched to ironic usage.
And April 15th (today) is the day the Boston Marathon happens.
Calling out another site for being used as a source is ironic considering Reddit’s history with that issue
how is it ironic? they aren't calling out another site. they're calling out journalists who cite twitter for anything other than a communication from the subject of the article... I'm sure they'd say the same of reddit/facebook/etc.
Journalists use Reddit as a source all the time, it’s ironic to just call out twitter…
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/-bostonbombing-the-anatomy-of-a-misinformation-disaster/275155/
Agreed. Unfortunately a lot of people who seemingly wanted it to be him, or someone like him. I don't even know who he his, I just remember all the thinly veiled comments saying "Oh it's exactly who you're expecting it to be". Guess not.
American here and haven’t heard this. What?!
It’s been a mess. The viciousness of the attack and the already sky high tensions sent the media into a frenzy. Some sites were claiming Islamic terrorism which kicked up a storm and then a known antisemite named some 20 yo Jewish kid and the media publicised his name and started claiming Israeli terrorism. It was all a sham and it was a 40 yo schizophrenic man who they had to name to stop conspiracies and the evidence is pointing to mental illness rather than to terrorism.
I hope the Jewish kid is okay? That sounds horrifying to have your name published and the whole country thinking you’re a terrorist.
Him and his family have released a statement. Physically they’re all fine and doing as well as can be expected. Mentally, I can’t imagine the trauma they must be going through, having to see your child’s name (or your own) and face shown on national TV, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Not to mention, the seven network (one of the main Australian news channels who widely reported this without evidence) is already under fire for funding a rapist ex-parliamentarians cocaine and sex worker addiction to secure an interview. I hope he sues them for every penny they have Sources: [Sydney uni student wrongly named as Bondi attacker](https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0?amp) [Students Statement](https://x.com/leo_puglisi6/status/1779468138322821523?s=46&t=Tdr6KLLSKsCM9D-hIXGusQ)
Man, at least in this case it’s easy for him to prove he’s innocent - he just has to be alive. The stabber is in a morgue so he just needs to show his face and it’s immediately apparent they got the wrong guy.
> having to see your child’s name (or your own) and face shown on national TV It's why I think unless they're already a public figure (news anchor, CEO/representative, etc) they shouldn't be allowed to show their face unless they're convicted. Especially in certain cases where just the accusation can ruin your life, even if you're completely innocent and found as such.
I generally agree. However, I believe this case is special because not only did they name an innocent 20yo, their only source was two people on twitter, and the footage had already been released and statements saying the guy was in his 40’s but the media RAN with such an obviously fake story. I can’t decide whether it’s comical or sad ALSO: the original footage of the attacker was shown on the news and that ended up being how police could identify him so quickly. He had cut contact with his parents who were essentially his caretakers until he was 35 some time ago and they saw the footage on the news and called the police. It’s devastating. But the point is that without the footage being shown, we still may not know who he could be. Most media is reporting that they’re devastated and are helping police. ONE news station has camped outside their home and is harassing ppl (as usual). This story just keeps getting sadder [Parents Statement](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/bondi-junction-westfield-stabbings-joel-cauchi-andrew-cauchi/103708652?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link)
What's worse is that news already put out said that the police had already shot and killed the perpetrator who was said to be in the 40s, and the Twitter antisemite claimed and doxxed a still living 20 year old Jewish man...
Syrian Girl or a different one?
It was started by Aussie Cossack and she grabbed onto it. He also immediately claimed bollard guy was Russian.
Yup. Syrian girl
That dude needs jail, like now
Eh its Australia.... hes gonna get firebombed sooner or later from what I've heard its quite popular down there
Only fringe Journos
That’s insane, it’s very obvious from the videos the guy is older. A 20 year old Jewish kid is the exact opposite of his physical appearance lol. He clearly looks *at least* 35.
Not to mention that the killer was dead. Yet they pointed the finger at some random dude who is quite literally still alive.
JFC, that's insane
Its shameful the lack of journalistic integrity there is today. Everyone wants to rush out the articles to "be the first" but never properly do their due diligence before possibly ruining the life of an innocent person. These news organizations that pushed this false information should be heavily fined to the point it hurts instead of all these wrist slapping fines so they are more careful publishing anything without doing their proper due diligence on the matter.
Wasn’t the suspect killed? Why would anyone believe that someone who is still alive is the killer in the first place?
Think of we did it Reddit but the news and Reddit at the same time
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Pretty sure it's a social media thing not a public school thing. The racist Australian sub was pretty feral.
Christ, imagine listening to the misinformation cesspool that is shitter as your source. People on that hell hole will quite literally say and do anything with anything in order to push their narrative / agenda. They lack humanity & have zero limits to how far they will go.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/-bostonbombing-the-anatomy-of-a-misinformation-disaster/275155/
Wait, I thought he was already identified? Or was that another man with mental health issues?
When it first occurred people were posting all over social media the name of another man. Police then announced the correct name of the man that did it. So some poor guy was accused before police even made a statement
Ooh, I see. Thanks for the clarification!
Knives can be used to kill a lot of people if someone is able to evade capture for a long time. In Canada, on the Labour Day weekend of 2022, a career criminal with dozens of prior convictions who violated parole killed 11 people (including his brother, who was thought to be a co-conspirator at one point) by stabbing them. Australia learned its lesson after the Port Arthur Massacre and imposed gun control. If this killer was able to get a gun, his kill count would likely have been much higher.
Report out today was he was searching for shooting enthusiasts as friends in the last couple of months
Nah, but according to Americans, "gun control doesn't work" despite it working in many countries.
Americans are also surrounded by ~5 legal guns for every American while being the largest manufacturer of arms in the world
Where did you get 5 from? Most surveys agree that there are only about 1.2 guns per American. Even if you only count the 38% of Americans who own guns, the average is 3.1. While it is true that Americans own the most guns per capita, the amount is way lower. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun\_ownership](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership) [https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx)
PooGun control doesn't mean every gun has/d to be metal down into scrap metal. But we treat guns like toys in this country. But that 5 doesn't even account for all of the illegal guns which tend to be obtained because of how many gun owners don't lock their guns up.
I fucking hate that mentality. I'm a proud American born and raised but goddamn so many people are legitimately brainwashed into thinking you can't have a "civilized country" without access to firearms. I've pointed out other countries' police forces, the training, and resources but it's always meant with "well that won't work in America because everyone has guns". I love my guns but you know what? At this point, I'd gladly surrender them if it meant no more kids getting shot. It's fucking draining.
If the cops keep their guns kids are still going to be shot. I would only be willing to ban guns if it means the pigs don’t get to keep theirs.
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[more guns means more gun deaths ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/)
>*Of that number, gun suicides account for 54%.* Every time
Yes, guns facilitate suicide as well as causing other issues. Suicide attempts without guns tend to be less likely to succeed than suicide attempts with guns.
Whya re you being down voted for literally just stating a fact
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I would expect that places with less gun regulations have more gun deaths. Gun availability is necessary for gun deaths.
dude.. you are an ammosexual and nothing more... I know its mental gymnastics to try to frame it around "I NEED guns because police won't help" but that goes against every type of common sense.6 year olds are brining guns to school, and your solution? I need a gun too?
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This is Reddit buddy. From a redditor myself, these guys aren't the brightest.
"Ammosexual" Bro what?
Ok. So why should we surrender our guns yet the American Gestapo gets to keep theirs then. I’ll agree to a gun ban when the pigs get rid of theirs.
Cops are the same or worse everywhere else.
A few years ago, an Australian policeman drew a gun on a driver he thought was taking too long to pull over. That policeman lost his job and now has a criminal record for illegal/threatening use of a fire arm. In the USA, I understand how police pull their guns on pretty much every suspect, because the suspects probably have guns too! That's the difference. Australia never had a gun culture. In my entire life in Australia since the 1970's I've only met one gun enthusiast/owner, who emigrated as a child form eastern Europe and his family had different attitudes. When we had our first major gun massacre (in 1996, 35 people killed, a "world record" at the time) we banned high-powered (center-fire) cartridges from rapid fire (magazine fed) guns. We didn't ban guns. You can still own rapid fire (rim-fire/shotguns) with a magazine limit (10 rounds for rim-fire and 5 for shotguns), and you can still own high-powered guns (up to the infamous 50BMG) for single shot breech-loaded rifles. It's just the combination of rapid fire and high-power we banned. New Zealand followed our lead when they had their first major gun massacre in 2019. Unfortunately our system would never work in the USA. For a start you have constitutional rights to bear arms that we never had, and even if you didn't you could never afford the "buyback" that we (and New Zealand) did due to the sheer number of guns! But our system worked. Shooting deaths since our reform are rare, and usually domestic violence on remote rural properties, or criminals doing "hits" on each other. And I'd hate to think what would have happened in Westfield, Sydney if the killer had a semi-auto assault rifle instead of a knife..
Was wondering when a thread about an Australian mass stabbing would mention the US.
*Some Americans, you can't seriously believe that we all think like this.
Some is not the same as all
The countries gun control works in don't have a country of 100+ million in near anarchy spewing across their border. No gun control would work in America without intense border security. Edit: down vote all you want, what I said is true. If we ban guns they'll just flow across the border as easily as the drugs already do. If you're not serious about closing the border then you aren't serious about ending gun violence. End of story.
Crazy idea: maybe also control the guns situation at the border, too?
[funnily enough the US government ended up doing the exact opposite](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)
We already can't control the drugs, which are highly illegal, from flowing across our border. How would we stop guns.
Maybe we should build a wall so it’s easier to stop the trafficking
A few years ago, an Australian policeman drew a gun on a driver he thought was taking too long to pull over. That policeman lost his job and now has a criminal record for illegal/threatening use of a fire arm. In the USA, I understand how police pull their guns on pretty much every suspect, because the suspects probably have guns too! That's the difference. Australia never had a gun culture. In my entire life in Australia since the 1970's I've only met one gun enthusiast/owner, who emigrated as a child form eastern Europe and his family had different attitudes. When we had our first major gun massacre (in 1996, 35 people killed, a "world record" at the time) we banned high-powered (center-fire) cartridges from rapid fire (magazine fed) guns. We didn't ban guns. You can still own rapid fire (rim-fire/shotguns) with a magazine limit (10 rounds for rim-fire and 5 for shotguns), and you can still own high-powered guns (up to the infamous 50BMG) for single shot breech-loaded rifles. It's just the combination of rapid fire and high-power we banned. New Zealand followed our lead when they had their first major gun massacre in 2019. Unfortunately our system would never work in the USA. For a start you have constitutional rights to bear arms that we never had, and even if you didn't you could never afford the "buyback" that we (and New Zealand) did due to the sheer number of guns! But our system worked. Shooting deaths since our reform are rare, and usually domestic violence on remote rural properties, or criminals doing "hits" on each other. And I'd hate to think what would have happened in Westfield, Sydney if the killer had a semi-auto assault rifle instead of a knife..
The problem in Canada is that violent crime isn’t punished seriously until it’s murder. Also you can face criminal charges for defending yourself against an attacker.
Regarding your second point, is that actually true, or is that something that right-wingers like to parrot back and forth while blaming Trudeau?
Oh also, and maybe same in Us tbf, if you kill someone in a car “accidentally”, you might not even see jail time. Small fine. Because “momentary lapse”. You almlst never see jail for that let alone a driving ban.
This goes in Norway too. If I'd carry a knife/any weapon and get in any kind of alteration and then decide I have to defend myself, court would say I'm carrying, I must've been prepared and that's illegal. There's also a very fine line on use of force between you get jail and it being alright. Now this is very much an "I think I remember". But I think there was a case in Norway where someone stopped an ongoing rape or mugging, where a 3rd party came in an smacked the perpetrator in the back of the head with an object. And him getting jail for excessive use of force and getting involved the way he did. Instead of trying to talk it out. Again, Idk if it's real, but I think so, probably 15-20 years ago.
If you used a knife you brought with you on your walk and claimed you brought it for self defense. Immediate jail. If you say you just carry a knife because.. you always do. No jail. Can’t Have a “weapon”. So you can’t bring bear spray with you for self defense. You can bring it with you cause you saw news said bears in this area. Its sort of bad yes. Especially considering every week we hear multiple shootings from gangs who have no problem getting guns.
Why make this about guns though? This person still was able to kill people. Why don’t we, as a society, have the ability to identify and treat people that ultimately will hurt others? If anything this should highlight the problems we have in identifying and treating people. I don’t disagree they we should limit the access these people have to guns, but in order to do that you have to flag them first and - at least in the US - we’re terrible at it. And then after we identify the person, we need to be able to track and identify them in some database- another thing we’re terrible at (as the current federal system has failed us multiple times). And that doesn’t even address the issues we’re going to have around HIPAA and privacy when we want to start flagging mental health in federal tracking systems. Guns are a small part of the problem - it’s the identification and tracking of people who are going to hurt others that we need to figure out.
Imagine if he’d gotten a vehicle. Someone killed over 130 people in France in 2014 with some kind of large truck.
Melbourne Australia had a dude that did that with a car. If you look at a lot of our high pedestrian metropolitan areas there's now way more defensive objects like bollards and shit.
And it worked too. There's been a couple more attempts that were stopped by the bollards.
[https://www.rferl.org/a/dozens-killed-as-truck-ploughs-into-crowed-in-nice-france-driver-shot-dead-bastille-day-celebration/27858941.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/dozens-killed-as-truck-ploughs-into-crowed-in-nice-france-driver-shot-dead-bastille-day-celebration/27858941.html) it was in 2016 and there were 84 deaths. >The man had opened fire on the crowd. Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said weapons and grenades were found inside the truck after he was killed. Several of the victims reportedly died of gunshot wounds.
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Didn’t he get shot police?
... there was, he was shot dead. Thank fuck he didn't have a gun, he would have killed so much more.
Name doesn’t check out.
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Americans don’t really get the same courtesy when there’s a mass shooting. Just a bunch of smug people making jokes about guns and gun laws.
The rest of the world is devastated every time there is a mass shooting and wants nothing more than for the US to finally get its shit together and change its gun culture and make sensible laws to protect its people, particularly the children. Any kind of smugness or jokes you see is people so burnt out from seeing hundreds of children needlessly slaughtered that gallows humour takes over.
And lots of that is home grown from Americans who are sick of the killings and sick of being ignored for the sake of ideology over life.
Important to remember that a large porrion of the outrageous comments are put there by bad actors to sow discord and fear. We are the only country in the world where this happens on a daily basis and the only difference is our weird gun culture
The hypocrisy is crazy with you people. It’s ok for you all to joke about Americans getting killed, but god forbid if an American does the same to you.
Bullshit. It's reddit doing what reddit does. Recycle the same rhetoric over and over because it's the one that gets upvotes. I'm not saying US doesn't have gun control problems, I'm saying that people don't say what they actually feel on this site, they do whatever they need to do to get upvotes. Reddit saying or agreeing on anything is a far cry from reality 9/10 times
No you’re wrong. It’s genuine compassion!! Nothing smug about it they just know better and need to educate us. Personally I really appreciate it. I didn’t know gun violence was bad until a European teenager told me a couple months ago.
Except you’re aren’t correct in your thinking. All of those countries had no major change in total homicide rates after their gun control. They also never had a level of gun violence worth measuring in those countries.
To be fair, we deserve all the flack we get when we don’t do anything about the problem. We just keep putting bandaids on bullet holes. The big babies get to keep their guns while actual babies pay with their lives. The hypocrisy of legislating a woman’s control over her own body while failing to legislate any sort of gun control -even just for a little more oversight- is pretty hysterical if we laugh to keep from crying.
People like yourself don't even understand what the problems are, let alone the solutions.
You’re absolutely right. I would never pretend to know the full scope of the problem or what the solutions should be as I’m an individual person with only my own experiences to pull from. It’s just what we see happening and nothing effective being done. It would be cool if collectively we could figure it out though.
Alright, let me apologize for my previous response, it was unnecessarily curt. Most people that engage with this topic believe that they know everything already and if only the other side weren't so evil and/or stupid that we'd have fixed the problem decades ago. One of the big problems is that the current laws aren't even being enforced properly; multiple mass shooters were able to acquire guns legally that shouldn't have been able to. Until that's addressed, more restrictions will only serve to further disempower regular, law-abiding citizens that just want to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
It's hard not to when there is an obvious solution to what goes on over there on a near daily basis. Problem is, someone lacking forethought put it down in ink on a nealy impossible to repeal document that has been turned into a quasi-religeous object of worship and now you are stuck with it while the rest of the watches on, slowly shaking their heads.
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I hear you but I mean what do you expect? This is the internet and the internet is going to do what the internet is going to do. You can demand civility all you want but it won’t change anything. I don’t agree at all with the comments you’re referring either for the record, just being realistic here.
There’s that superiority complex! The fact that you think we’re the ones making jokes, when you people laugh at school shootings, just shows you’re own hypocrisy.
Who is laughing at school shootings?
Many non-Americans on this post.
As an American, we don't have a leg to stand on. 6 dead in a single incident is far more uncommon in Australia than the US
Not to mention that the last really big noticeable attack in America saw dozens of cops standing around outside doing nothing while children died. This one saw one cop run into danger, not knowing what she was facing, and dealt with the problem.
Man thinks he’s got jurisdiction over reddit posts
Right, if you are right ally grieving, you wouldn't be on a reddit post.
First time?
You guys were the ones bringing it up trying to deflect onto Americans, so piss off.
Who are these "you"
Ah yes, in the English language, the pronouns are the subject of the sentence, so obviously it’s the people that are deflecting.
Can you try not to be useless?
How would you describe that I’m useless?
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Her backpedaling has been a spectacle to watch
For someone with a good upbringing and great education it’s crazy that in the last few years she has gone so right wing
God after the church attacker yesterday spouted Islamist shit I can only imagine how much Rachel Riley is tweeting today
Got to suck knowing Murdoch fake media and X fake media is all Australia has. Both are home to misinformation/fake news.
Smug Americans in here don’t even know there was a mass shooting in Chicago today where an 8 year old was shot dead. This was the 107th mass shooting in 2024 so far. Focus on your own shit.
Who is being smug? if anything people always relate this back to America when it has nothing to do with this situation.
Hundreds of shootings in shit-cago this year. Looks at statistics, yup, definitely because of guns.
What point are you trying to make?
That your statement has nothing to do with guns, as far as lawful americans are concerned. It has to do with illegal guns, with illegal modifications, performed by people who are in illegal possession of them, and repeat offenders to boot. This isnt a problem of the american system, its a problem with the justice system allowing these people to continually get back on the streets. Couple that with the fact that the definition was changed for mass shootings, and sure, you have a lot of them. Hell, a few years ago there was a drive by shooting in chicago, and the DA stated they werent pursuing the subjects because it was "mutual combat." Its hard for america to get its shit together, when these cities keep voting people in who are pro criminal.
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Good for you, now back to what he was saying...
Joel Cauchi, fuck you murderer!
Wow, 6 people dead and 12 badly injured with only a knife. That’s so sad. Edit: I guess people don’t think it’s sad. What a shame.
While "with only a knife" is a common mindset people don't realize how deadly a common kitchen knife really is nor how difficult it is to defend against it without metal armor on. The dude was a gigolo oddly enough so I would say he was in likely better shape than your average person too hence why it may have been difficult for people to get away from him. As a general trend it seems like when new technology is introduced people begin to assume that the obsolete technology is then harmless. A musket is still very much able to kill you from the simple fact it's a 1/2in lead ball traveling at the speed of sound. An insane person with a deadly weapon is still very much a serious threat to your life no matter how archaic or primitive said weapon appears to be.
I agree, I support stronger gun laws in America, as well. Right now, it’s too easy for people with mental illnesses to obtain a gun. I’m not some super gun-supporting person and don’t even own one. My original comment was made without guns even on my mind, I was generally surprised by the destruction, but everyone else jumped straight to deflecting to guns, which I find irrelevant to a knife attack.
The laws that some countries use to restrict guns where not in fact originally intended for guns and were instead first put on the books hundreds of years ago from the rampant problem of people getting killed from knife and sword attacks. The dueling culture of high born sons also didn't just limit the killing to the poor. In the United States in the era when guns were single shot muzzleloaders there was national news about rampages done with simple edged weapons usually on farmhouses where the family had little escape opportunities. In the era of guns it's easy to underestimate someone with a knife, but they can still very easily kill you.
It’s almost like people are the problem.
Some people are unfortunately simply too psychotic to be trusted with anything
It is. Imagine this guy with an automatic gun
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Sorry this killing didn't confirm your biases.
It's OK, the attacker helped by not being Muslim.
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