I guess if you want kids comparing the conduct of Dear Leader T to the commandments they claim are oh so important, that’s one way to unavoidably rub their noses in Republican hypocrisy.
Hey! Look at all these rules we ignore!
Louisiana resident here. Most of us didn’t even vote for our hyper-conservative governor Jeff Landry. Less than a third of the state voted in the last election, and he got less than half of those votes. Political apathy is going to ruin this country and we are a shining example.
Lol the dude who passed the bill literally went to any news outlet to brag about how he can't wait to get sued. Like I cant imagine a bigger waste of fucking tax dollar than this fuck.
That's probably the worst part to this entire thing, it won't be the guy who pushed it who gets sued, it'll be the school district.
Those kids need all the help they can get; supernatural, religious and/or scientific.
The worst part is that, for all of the time and effort it takes to draw up and pass a law, this one will literally not make any of those kids’ lives any better. It’ll just make their parents feel more comfortable for reasons.
Welp, our kids are going to schools in falling apart portables, but at least they got commandments hangin on tha wall. Now they won't steal or kill or commit adultery or stuff, just like our good ol republican boys...
Well, it was either "pay teachers more" or "pay my buddy's law firm to defend us" from the inevitable lawsuits for this purely performative, virtue -signaling bullshit law. The choice was obvious to them.
When the suit comes in, he's gonna petition the star to hire his friends (read people with money and bribes) law firm to handle the case. Law firm gets to bill the state for millions, he gets a kick back, as well as a campaign donation.
I'm totally fine with the 10 Commandments being in classrooms, but ONLY if they are presented to the kids by a massive statue of Baphomet, Ghanesh, Mohammed, and any other deities/prophets from other religions. In each classroom, it could be like a Where's Waldo of religious bullshittery. It would be epic.
That's generally the argument the Satanic Temple make.
Christians want a monument to their God? Here's a statue of Baphomet.
Christian school club? Here's a Satanic book reading club!
It works as they use the very same argument Christians use to get their foot in the door for equality.
My high school got around it pretty easily for clubs. They required a teacher to "sponsor" any clubs, and no teacher was willing to sponsor anything that was even slightly unusual. I graduated in 2014, and that was the first year we had an anime club.
Shit. You are right, and I forgot. Maybe we just put some extra text on the poster, "These Commandments are approved by Islamic texts!" Or something like that.
I mean the first fucking commandment is "You can't have any other gods" so that's pretty un-freedomy.
As far as Louisiana defending this by saying all their laws are based on the ten commandments, I find that hard to believe. It's a pretty weak document. Don't murder, cheat and steal. Other than that it has nothing to do with any law besides possibly perjury, because plenty of people have bore false witness in Louisiana and have never suffered any consequences.
Check out the code of ur nammu, written 400+ years before the 10 commandments. See if anything looks familiar. Then look at the code of hammurabi, which also predates the 10 commandments
I went to a catholic school and we didn't have the Ten Commandments any where to be seen unless you cracked open a bible. What a waste of tax payer money.
And then they’ll claim that it’s the Dems pushing culture war issues. 1/3 of this country is just deeply unserious, unethical assholes and they won’t stop.
They will stop when they are *made* to stop, and not before. That is their way.
The Dems can be convinced to stop doing something, even something they want to do, by using evidence and reason, and by appealing to their desire to promote the greater good, even when it requires personal sacrifice.
The Republicans are out to get theirs, and to fuck you, personally. They can be convinced to stop only when harm has already come to them personally, and even then only maybe. Showing them irrefutable proof that it *will* harm them is not enough. They don't need to refute it when they can just ignore it. The harm has to come first, and then there's an opportunity to convince them to stop, if you can help them construct a narrative where they are heroes for doing the thing that harmed them and also heroes to now stop doing that thing. That's what it takes to get them to choose to stop.
Or you can just force them. Vote them out of office. Strip their power away from them and ignore their indignant screeches because you finally can.
It's genuinely incredible that Republicans in some of these deep red states have never wondered why their living conditions are so shitty when the people they think can fix everything have been in charge for decades.
They *do* wonder why. However, they are constantly told that the evil democrats and "coastal elites" are the big scary monsters with their foot on their necks. And they all believe that. That's why they have such clever nomenclatures such a "demoncrats". They have quite literally been indoctrinated into a cult.
I heard a Texas poll bitching about Dems, and i thought, you guys have had total power the last 25 years or so and partial power before that.
Much like in my native Michigan, for the first time in about 40 years team blue controls all the branches leading to a ton of changes and good ones at that. But for all the past times they bitched about a Dem gov when team red controlled at least part of the legislature is sad.
The amount of straight-up whining in conservative content is pretty unreal, from Trump's missives to "don't force it down my throat!" rants.
Take a story featured right now on FoxNews.com, "Angel Reese Says Media Likes To 'Twist' Her 'Words'". The whole thing is some bizarre gossipy soup. 'White privilege' is mentioned, nothing in particular happens at any point, and it concludes, "That's what equality is all about. Treating WNBA players differently than NBA players would not be equal. But, at times, it feels like that's exactly what the league wants the media, and fans, to do." Just... whiny.
Well, MS didn't ratify the 13th amendment (abolishment of slavery (except for those in jail and prison)) until like 2013. It was noticed in 1995 by a clerk and unanimously voted on swiftly to concur, but whoever was in charge of the paperwork after the fact forgot to file it. And THAT wasn't caught until late 2012. So it got put in the books in 2013.
In conclusion, sometimes, that statement is aptly deserved.
if republicans didnt fix imaginary problems they truly would do nothing but cut taxes for the koches.
I remember when my state saved us all from sharia law, which is already unconstitutional and our 0.5% islamic population werent even discussing it. But republicans, nearly unanimously passed the law banning something that has zero chance of happening. meanwhile they cant see to even get the roads fixed because they are all trying to out right winger each other.
They got you fighting a culture war so you don't notice they're fighting a class war. Old sentiment, still true. Don't mind the oligarchy with their hands in your pocket, pay no mind to deteriorating material conditions, look where that person is taking a leak! Oldest trick in the book and people are still falling for it.
You know, if they want to display their Bible verses, how about this one: "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. **You cannot serve both God and money**." Or maybe: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; **they did not help the poor and needy**. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."
You'll never see those verses at the forefront because they challenge the real national religion. Our god is called Capital, or Mammon in older times, and although Jesus explicitly spoke out against him, that's who we serve nonetheless.
I live here and the governor literally said today that he's excited for the backlash and to "bring on the lawsuits" so I'm guessing he has a plan to take this to the SC already. I'm so scared for our future here, Landry is a menace of dangerous levels.
And yet the Tax Payers keep voting for these assholes so they can keep living in a shithole like Louisiana ranked in the bottom 5 of all states in almost all categories. Until "tax payers" wake up and stop voting for these assholes, they will continue to do what they do.
Not just bottom 5–we’re literally dead last in basically every metric with the occasional exception for Mississippi. Can’t wait until I can afford to leave this shithole.
I lived in Monroe for 2 years. I’m from the Chicago burbs. I got shit on left and right for being a “dumb liberal Yankee” despite being at the top of the MBA program while I was there and trying to promote the university and city.
I packed up and left before I even had my degree. I could not wait to get back to my “liberal shithole city” as they called it.
And they wonder why I say I never want to go back there ever again.
*if The Fieldhouse was anywhere else in the world, I’d go back annually like a homecoming. That was the best place in town. But Monroe suuuuuucks.
There are zero fiscal conservatives. They simply have things they love to pay for and things they don’t. Every self-proclaimed “fiscal conservative” will dump money into their pet projects. It’s a completely dishonest title and anyone using it is a liar.
No one wants to admit it, but Clarence is a dumbass who doesn't understand much beyond his own corruption. He isn't a scholar or really a smart man. Read his decisions.
He makes Kavanaugh seem intelligent.
> Certainly no Thurgood Marshall.
Thomas is the Republican's revenge for Marshall.
But Thomas not speaking in court for a decade was a good way to hide his stupidity, but he grew richer and bolder with time.
No governing body works well if given only inflexible laws, otherwise we’d still have the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. The idea is that good reason needs to be present to overthrow long-lasting ideas; a change in culture is a good reason. But courts should not overthrow everything left and right, both for stability’s sake and for fairness in enforcing relatively similar laws throughout time.
While that's objectively true, I'm sure the 4 Christian Nationalists on the Supreme Court would disagree, and twist themselves into a legal pretzel to allow it.
Yep. That’s exactly why Louisiana is doing this. They want it to go to SCOTUS so they can overturn [Stone v. Graham](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham).
The burden of proof to overturn that case would be proving that posting the commandments would have a "secular legislative purpose."
Even for this conservative court, it would be nearly impossible to interpret that the commandments have a non-religious purpose.
The ten commandments represent an important, historical legal framework. While they are part of some religious beliefs, they are being displayed as a monument to the culturally significant position they had in the founding of this great nation.
It'll be some bullshit like that. Bet ya $20.
"What did the framers really mean when they wrote the Constitution and why is it completely compatible with my ideological goals?"
- every Supreme Court Justice
Looking into that one witch burner from 1629 who just gave zero fucks about who he burnt. Let's go to him for staunch legal advice.
I hate this timeline
Yep, because in their minds, they see that time as preferable to the present. Alito and Thomas would be all about burning all those loose women at the stake!
Established law really doesn’t matter anymore. Once the suit is filed and appealed to the Supreme Court, it wouldn’t be surprising if they uphold this. Norms and established law have all gone out the window.
That's exactly what they want to have happen, so that Barrett, Thomas, and Alito can lead the charge on declaring it totally cool to put Judeo-Christian texts in every public school.
And somehow there will be a 5-4 or 6-3 ruling from the Supreme Court saying that it doesn’t require students to follow the religion so therefore it’s perfectly fine. Or some other completely bs reason they will just make up to allow this as they don’t care about law and only their personal beliefs being forced onto others
When the Supreme Court stopped Kentucky from doing this in 1980 it was 5-4. Conservatives clearly feel it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in the other direction now.
And this is how you fight the law, the law only says to post the 10 commandments, it doesn't say what language they have to be posted in; so post up the 10 commandments, but post them in Arabic and/or Hebrew.
If it's truly about freedom of religion, neither the language nor the textual sourcing of the 10 should matter. But most likely Evangelicals will freak their shit and be pulling out their patio tiki torches.
[Yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Religious_traditions). Though I can’t speak for which flavor of Protestantism does what. (Spoiler: the Catholic 10 consider coveting your neighbor’s spouse as a different commandment than coveting your neighbor’s property… probably because women aren’t property.)
It just goes to show that “the point” of the 10 commandments wasn’t to be literally 10 rules, but to instigate deeper contemplation.
I mean, heck, the Bible has two separate lists in Exodus and Deuteronomy, consisting of different text. Which do you even pick?
The Satanic Temple has been kicking ass for decades. They either get the Christian displays removed from government buildings or they get a kick ass statue of their own that is 100x cooler.
In a nutshell- Some high ranking people in the church were fired for having disagreements with the head of the Church. Many TST churches have changed names and separated themselves from TST because they disagree with the decision. Both sides are accusing the others of foul play.
I can't speak to what actually happened other than reading the bickering going on in the TST subreddit. That's the short version of it. I'm sure more information will emerge once the dust settles. Unfortunately no matter who is right the split in power will mean there is less focus on other things.
I can't think of anything that more solidly establishes The Satanic Temple as a bona fide religion than pointless infighting and indecipherable schisms.
It's very decipherable when you discover that a bunch of the problem comes from it's founder and it's PR stunt origins.
From what I understand the headhoncho is a dickhead and went a bit control freak after some sexism scandal or smth and the people of the "you should really respect yourself and other people" not-religious-religion didn't like that.
Thank you for that quick summary. That is too bad. I hope they can figure their stuff out. They are one of only a few causes I am able to afford to donate to.
How about we require a script with the first 10 minutes of ABC's hit show *Desperate Housewives*? My religion requires it, and therefore you should all be subjected to it. I think im being actively discriminated against.
First 10 mins of the pilot episode? Of the 1st 'real' episode? Of your favorite episode? Of any random episode? I need to learn more about this religion!
The law actually does specify it needs to be in an easily readable font, according to[ this article](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp66xdxj0l3o)
>The state law requires that a poster include the sacred text in "large, easily readable font" on a poster that is 11 inches by 14 inches (28cm by 35.5cm) and that the commandments are "the central focus" of the display.
edit: I think [this ](https://legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1379435)is the full text of the bill and it specifies what, exactly, the text should be. I think they clarified the wording because someone offered to donate the displays but had written the commandments in Arabic.
The Arabic one is Texas, where the law is that schools must post signs that say "In God we trust" if they are donated to the school. They later had to clarify other signage factors like English, size, and zero embellishments for these signs after someone tried to suit an Arabic sign.
Grew up in Ireland where religion was taught in the school all the way till US 8 grade if I remember right.
But society changed in Ireland with catholic church scandals, the 90’s tech boom and college education being made free
My friend often referred to us as being the last generation to be ‘brought to mass’
So I’ve lived through what it was like before, during and after removing faith from government and policy
The US is going backwards
There's a reason Louisiana is one of the poorest and most uneducated states in the country.
The GOP likes keeping their constituents poor and stupid because that's what keeps them in power.
I can at least respect an actual conservative, cautious stance. "Lets wait for more research" and "I need to find out more before speaking on the matter" are conservative statements, if we're literal. I can respect that.
But that's not what it means in politics, which I hate. Use words for what they mean, FFS.
You'd love Massachusetts politics, then! Socially progressive, but procedurally we're a "measure twice, then debate the merits of recommending the formation of an ad hoc committee to research the viability of a proposal to study the potential impacts of planning a potential pilot program" kind of a state.
It’s scary that half the country doesn’t realize how we are back sliding. We’ve erased all the progress that was made in the past 70 years. I shudder to think what’s next.
Lawsuits, incoming
FFS... I HATE wasting time on this idiots
The law is clear. The precedents are many
This will fall or the american system of justice will finally complete its spiral down the drain.
Supreme Court already ruled on this in 1980 when Kentucky tried it. Clearly, states want to try the current court because they think it will be okayed this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham
Unfortunately Stone v. Graham is based on the "lemon test" and that was overruled (in practice, in principal, however you want to say it) in the recent praying coach case Kennedy v. Bremerton. If this Louisiana law gets challenged and makes its way up to SCOTUS, I would bet dollars to donuts this court lets the new law stand.
Reading the text of the law, it was obviously designed to try and pass Supreme Court scrutiny. They...
1. Include background material on "legislative intent" arguing that (Christian) religion and North American politics were entwined since the Mayflower Compact.
2. Use the exact text of a version of the Ten Commandments that was allowed to stay up by the Supreme Court.
3. Mandate that public funds are not required while also mandating that private donations must be accepted.
4. Mandate explanatory text giving some historical information, e.g. the Ten Commandments showed up repeatedly in popular textbooks for many years.
Rehnquist's dissent in the case they're trying to overturn hinged on finding secular value in the historical association between the Ten Commandments and Western law. (4) is obviously intended to provide such historical cover more forcefully. (1) is aimed at appealing to Originalist conservative Justices. (3) tries to get around criticisms of State-sponsored religion.
Regarding (3), I find the arrangement particularly odious. In practice they're banking on an unofficial alliance between conservative politicians and Christian churches to make the law a reality. It's a deeply cynical attempt to get around the separation of Church and State by just not saying the quiet part out loud.
I remember when Stephen Colbert interviewed the Congressman trying to get the Ten Commandments displayed in Georgia and then asked him to name them and he couldn't lololol.
[https://www.cc.com/video/tlf8t3/the-colbert-report-better-know-a-district-georgia-s-8th-lynn-westmoreland](https://www.cc.com/video/tlf8t3/the-colbert-report-better-know-a-district-georgia-s-8th-lynn-westmoreland)
Louisiana education ranks 42nd. Most kids won’t be able to read or understand them anyway. One would think they had bigger issues to solve in their educational system.
Seriously.
Honestly compare this:
1. THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
2. THOU SHALT NOT MAKEUNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE.
3. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.
4. REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY.
5. HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER.
6. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
7. THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.
8. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
9. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINSTTHY NEIGHBOUR.
10. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOUR'S HOUSE.
To this:
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
I will go with satan and chose the second list as my guide to loving a good life.
Fuck Christianity, fuck all religions. It’s time to make America great for the first time and do away with religion’s influence.
Must be nice to be a Conservative and live in a world where you think that laws and rules dont apply to you if you don’t like them.
The Satanic church needs to sue until their religious texts are allowed to be displayed. Same with Jews, Hindus and Muslims. Can’t just be for Christian stuff.
With that said, fuck the Conservative Christian right in this country. Fucking embarrassing, un-American fuckwads.
Yes. That’s very important. Never mind that the state ranks [49th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state) in education.
What a good use of time and money for the legal system
Gonna take a swing and say the satanic temple is gonna have a field day with this one
We’re on the same page, i expected to open this and see a top comment “TST has filed suit to have their tenants displayed in the classroom as well”
I'm making sure by donating to the temple today! Please do your part!
I guess if you want kids comparing the conduct of Dear Leader T to the commandments they claim are oh so important, that’s one way to unavoidably rub their noses in Republican hypocrisy. Hey! Look at all these rules we ignore!
Louisiana resident here. Most of us didn’t even vote for our hyper-conservative governor Jeff Landry. Less than a third of the state voted in the last election, and he got less than half of those votes. Political apathy is going to ruin this country and we are a shining example.
As a Texan, I felt that in my bones.
Ah yes, nothing more "freedom of religion" then requiring one specific religious doctrine, to be posted in every single classroom.
The Satanic temple lawsuit incoming in 5...4...3...2...1...
Lol the dude who passed the bill literally went to any news outlet to brag about how he can't wait to get sued. Like I cant imagine a bigger waste of fucking tax dollar than this fuck.
That's probably the worst part to this entire thing, it won't be the guy who pushed it who gets sued, it'll be the school district. Those kids need all the help they can get; supernatural, religious and/or scientific.
The worst part is that, for all of the time and effort it takes to draw up and pass a law, this one will literally not make any of those kids’ lives any better. It’ll just make their parents feel more comfortable for reasons.
Welp, our kids are going to schools in falling apart portables, but at least they got commandments hangin on tha wall. Now they won't steal or kill or commit adultery or stuff, just like our good ol republican boys...
Well, it was either "pay teachers more" or "pay my buddy's law firm to defend us" from the inevitable lawsuits for this purely performative, virtue -signaling bullshit law. The choice was obvious to them.
Pass laws that require useless spending on legal fees, and then the funds dry up for education, every. single. time.
Everyone pays for him to dick around.
It's so they can whine and play up their persecution complex. Wonderful use of tax payer dollars. Yet somehow I bet they get reelected.
They are pushing the suits now because with this Supreme Court, they just might win.
When the suit comes in, he's gonna petition the star to hire his friends (read people with money and bribes) law firm to handle the case. Law firm gets to bill the state for millions, he gets a kick back, as well as a campaign donation.
I'm totally fine with the 10 Commandments being in classrooms, but ONLY if they are presented to the kids by a massive statue of Baphomet, Ghanesh, Mohammed, and any other deities/prophets from other religions. In each classroom, it could be like a Where's Waldo of religious bullshittery. It would be epic.
That's generally the argument the Satanic Temple make. Christians want a monument to their God? Here's a statue of Baphomet. Christian school club? Here's a Satanic book reading club! It works as they use the very same argument Christians use to get their foot in the door for equality.
Exactly, and I love it. The Satanic Temple has an amazing way of dealing with hypocrisy and I support it 100%.
You may already donate to them, but for those who haven't, please consider supporting them financially with a donation!
My high school got around it pretty easily for clubs. They required a teacher to "sponsor" any clubs, and no teacher was willing to sponsor anything that was even slightly unusual. I graduated in 2014, and that was the first year we had an anime club.
Putting up a picture of Mohammed would be considered blasphemous in Islam.
Shit. You are right, and I forgot. Maybe we just put some extra text on the poster, "These Commandments are approved by Islamic texts!" Or something like that.
Don't forget separation of church and state!
Apparently church and state are like siblings in Louisiana
They are married and have 19 kids?
Conservatives will argue the founding fathers totally didn't mean it
I mean the first fucking commandment is "You can't have any other gods" so that's pretty un-freedomy. As far as Louisiana defending this by saying all their laws are based on the ten commandments, I find that hard to believe. It's a pretty weak document. Don't murder, cheat and steal. Other than that it has nothing to do with any law besides possibly perjury, because plenty of people have bore false witness in Louisiana and have never suffered any consequences.
Check out the code of ur nammu, written 400+ years before the 10 commandments. See if anything looks familiar. Then look at the code of hammurabi, which also predates the 10 commandments
I went to a catholic school and we didn't have the Ten Commandments any where to be seen unless you cracked open a bible. What a waste of tax payer money.
And then they’ll claim that it’s the Dems pushing culture war issues. 1/3 of this country is just deeply unserious, unethical assholes and they won’t stop.
They will stop when they are *made* to stop, and not before. That is their way. The Dems can be convinced to stop doing something, even something they want to do, by using evidence and reason, and by appealing to their desire to promote the greater good, even when it requires personal sacrifice. The Republicans are out to get theirs, and to fuck you, personally. They can be convinced to stop only when harm has already come to them personally, and even then only maybe. Showing them irrefutable proof that it *will* harm them is not enough. They don't need to refute it when they can just ignore it. The harm has to come first, and then there's an opportunity to convince them to stop, if you can help them construct a narrative where they are heroes for doing the thing that harmed them and also heroes to now stop doing that thing. That's what it takes to get them to choose to stop. Or you can just force them. Vote them out of office. Strip their power away from them and ignore their indignant screeches because you finally can.
It’s difficult to vote some of them out when the state is gerrymandered to all hell.
Gerrymandering can backfire when unexpected turnout happens. People just need to actually fucking vote.
That's the truth. But it also means if you can succeed and then throw out the gerrymandered maps, they may never win again.
The satanic temple will take care of this just like they do every time this stupid shit happens
Louisiana, you have much more important things to focus on. Maybe that’s precisely the point.
*obi wan hand gesture* 🤌 “these are not the societal problems you’re looking for”
Or, if Star Wars had been made in Italy.
itzza me, Obi-Wan
I believe the full name is Obi-Wan Cannoli
Republicans have to focus on culture wars to get reelected because otherwise people would notice that their policy is either dog shit or nonexistent.
It's genuinely incredible that Republicans in some of these deep red states have never wondered why their living conditions are so shitty when the people they think can fix everything have been in charge for decades.
They *do* wonder why. However, they are constantly told that the evil democrats and "coastal elites" are the big scary monsters with their foot on their necks. And they all believe that. That's why they have such clever nomenclatures such a "demoncrats". They have quite literally been indoctrinated into a cult.
I heard a Texas poll bitching about Dems, and i thought, you guys have had total power the last 25 years or so and partial power before that. Much like in my native Michigan, for the first time in about 40 years team blue controls all the branches leading to a ton of changes and good ones at that. But for all the past times they bitched about a Dem gov when team red controlled at least part of the legislature is sad.
Conservatives are constantly aggrieved and desperate to be the victim. Of course all of their legislation will reflect that.
The amount of straight-up whining in conservative content is pretty unreal, from Trump's missives to "don't force it down my throat!" rants. Take a story featured right now on FoxNews.com, "Angel Reese Says Media Likes To 'Twist' Her 'Words'". The whole thing is some bizarre gossipy soup. 'White privilege' is mentioned, nothing in particular happens at any point, and it concludes, "That's what equality is all about. Treating WNBA players differently than NBA players would not be equal. But, at times, it feels like that's exactly what the league wants the media, and fans, to do." Just... whiny.
I grew up in Louisiana (10years). It was a running “joke” that Louisiana and Mississippi were in die-hard competition for 49th in education in the US.
“Thank God for Mississippi” is its own Wikipedia page for a reason.
Holy shit it really is. That is hysterical and horrifying at the same time.
Well, MS didn't ratify the 13th amendment (abolishment of slavery (except for those in jail and prison)) until like 2013. It was noticed in 1995 by a clerk and unanimously voted on swiftly to concur, but whoever was in charge of the paperwork after the fact forgot to file it. And THAT wasn't caught until late 2012. So it got put in the books in 2013. In conclusion, sometimes, that statement is aptly deserved.
if republicans didnt fix imaginary problems they truly would do nothing but cut taxes for the koches. I remember when my state saved us all from sharia law, which is already unconstitutional and our 0.5% islamic population werent even discussing it. But republicans, nearly unanimously passed the law banning something that has zero chance of happening. meanwhile they cant see to even get the roads fixed because they are all trying to out right winger each other.
They got you fighting a culture war so you don't notice they're fighting a class war. Old sentiment, still true. Don't mind the oligarchy with their hands in your pocket, pay no mind to deteriorating material conditions, look where that person is taking a leak! Oldest trick in the book and people are still falling for it. You know, if they want to display their Bible verses, how about this one: "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. **You cannot serve both God and money**." Or maybe: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; **they did not help the poor and needy**. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." You'll never see those verses at the forefront because they challenge the real national religion. Our god is called Capital, or Mammon in older times, and although Jesus explicitly spoke out against him, that's who we serve nonetheless.
.. in violation of established law
I live here and the governor literally said today that he's excited for the backlash and to "bring on the lawsuits" so I'm guessing he has a plan to take this to the SC already. I'm so scared for our future here, Landry is a menace of dangerous levels.
Imagine calling yourself a fiscal conservative and then wasting taxpayer dollars litigating blatantly unconstitutional laws.
And yet the Tax Payers keep voting for these assholes so they can keep living in a shithole like Louisiana ranked in the bottom 5 of all states in almost all categories. Until "tax payers" wake up and stop voting for these assholes, they will continue to do what they do.
Not just bottom 5–we’re literally dead last in basically every metric with the occasional exception for Mississippi. Can’t wait until I can afford to leave this shithole.
I lived in Monroe for 2 years. I’m from the Chicago burbs. I got shit on left and right for being a “dumb liberal Yankee” despite being at the top of the MBA program while I was there and trying to promote the university and city. I packed up and left before I even had my degree. I could not wait to get back to my “liberal shithole city” as they called it. And they wonder why I say I never want to go back there ever again. *if The Fieldhouse was anywhere else in the world, I’d go back annually like a homecoming. That was the best place in town. But Monroe suuuuuucks.
There are zero fiscal conservatives. They simply have things they love to pay for and things they don’t. Every self-proclaimed “fiscal conservative” will dump money into their pet projects. It’s a completely dishonest title and anyone using it is a liar.
Of course. Why try to improve things for the citizens of Louisiana when you can just piss away taxpayer money on frivolous shit like this?
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Stare decisis means nothing to these religious fanatics. They’re the American Taliban, Y’allqueda.
>stare decisis Thought one of us was having a stroke at first. It's Latin for "to stand by things decided." I learned something today.
And it’s the basic principle of a common law system.
Which has apparently been ignored by the top court in the land. Does not bode well.
Scotus has overturned the decisions they made 3 weeks earlier.
Scrotus is a bag of d's.
And in the bag of R's
Scalia has literally said that Clarence Thomas straight up does not believe in stare decisis.
No one wants to admit it, but Clarence is a dumbass who doesn't understand much beyond his own corruption. He isn't a scholar or really a smart man. Read his decisions. He makes Kavanaugh seem intelligent.
He hid his stupidity by keeping silent for so many years. Certainly no Thurgood Marshall.
> Certainly no Thurgood Marshall. Thomas is the Republican's revenge for Marshall. But Thomas not speaking in court for a decade was a good way to hide his stupidity, but he grew richer and bolder with time.
No governing body works well if given only inflexible laws, otherwise we’d still have the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. The idea is that good reason needs to be present to overthrow long-lasting ideas; a change in culture is a good reason. But courts should not overthrow everything left and right, both for stability’s sake and for fairness in enforcing relatively similar laws throughout time.
Can’t WAIT for the After School Satan Club hosted by the TST!!!
Talibangelicals. They'd happily live under their own version of Sharia law.
That’s probably the point. So someone will challenge it and have the courts rule in their favor and overturn the established law.
While that's objectively true, I'm sure the 4 Christian Nationalists on the Supreme Court would disagree, and twist themselves into a legal pretzel to allow it.
Yep. That’s exactly why Louisiana is doing this. They want it to go to SCOTUS so they can overturn [Stone v. Graham](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham).
The burden of proof to overturn that case would be proving that posting the commandments would have a "secular legislative purpose." Even for this conservative court, it would be nearly impossible to interpret that the commandments have a non-religious purpose.
The ten commandments represent an important, historical legal framework. While they are part of some religious beliefs, they are being displayed as a monument to the culturally significant position they had in the founding of this great nation. It'll be some bullshit like that. Bet ya $20.
You really had me going there with that bullshit, i swear.
This is pretty much what will happen, if you can't believe it, you have probably spent the last years under a rock.
"What did the framers really mean when they wrote the Constitution and why is it completely compatible with my ideological goals?" - every Supreme Court Justice
"we just think they look neat"
They'll find a Witch Finders legal opinion from the 16th century to base their decision on.
I’m sure Clarence Thomas already has his clerks researching it.
Looking into that one witch burner from 1629 who just gave zero fucks about who he burnt. Let's go to him for staunch legal advice. I hate this timeline
That’s more of an Alito hallmark, Thomas is more of a “because fuck you that’s why” kinda guy
Yep, because in their minds, they see that time as preferable to the present. Alito and Thomas would be all about burning all those loose women at the stake!
Established law really doesn’t matter anymore. Once the suit is filed and appealed to the Supreme Court, it wouldn’t be surprising if they uphold this. Norms and established law have all gone out the window.
In violation of the first amendment of the constitution. Someone needs to sue this religious cult state.
Satanic temple has been pretty good about challenging these laws.
That's exactly what they want to have happen, so that Barrett, Thomas, and Alito can lead the charge on declaring it totally cool to put Judeo-Christian texts in every public school.
And somehow there will be a 5-4 or 6-3 ruling from the Supreme Court saying that it doesn’t require students to follow the religion so therefore it’s perfectly fine. Or some other completely bs reason they will just make up to allow this as they don’t care about law and only their personal beliefs being forced onto others
When the Supreme Court stopped Kentucky from doing this in 1980 it was 5-4. Conservatives clearly feel it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in the other direction now.
Students should plaster a bunch of religious texts from other religions including Satanism and Wicca. Play the game.
We lost Roe. It's the wild west now.
In guessing both the ACLU and the church of the satanic temple will be going to court about this
The Ten Commandments are in the Quran. Why are these Louisiana Republican politicians pushing radical Islamic ideology down our throats???
I heard they’re teaching our kids Arabic numerals!!! Like helll noooo. GTFO!!
Even worse, after the kids learn Arabic numerals, the math teachers push "al-jabr" on them!
Don’t forget about al-kohol. Better ban that, too.
that took me a minute
Get a poster in Arabic and watch them freak the fuck out when you try to get it displayed.
But Bible Study told me that white Jesus gave us the 10 Commandments in English.
Sharia law!!! They are pushing Sharia Law!!!
More importantly: weren’t the Ten Commandments for Jewish people originally? I figured that would scare these Christian nuts off the idea.
And this is how you fight the law, the law only says to post the 10 commandments, it doesn't say what language they have to be posted in; so post up the 10 commandments, but post them in Arabic and/or Hebrew. If it's truly about freedom of religion, neither the language nor the textual sourcing of the 10 should matter. But most likely Evangelicals will freak their shit and be pulling out their patio tiki torches.
It didn’t say which 10, either. Post the Catholic 10 instead of the Protestant 10 and you’ll have to get the popcorn.
Wait, the Protestants have different ones, really?
[Yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Religious_traditions). Though I can’t speak for which flavor of Protestantism does what. (Spoiler: the Catholic 10 consider coveting your neighbor’s spouse as a different commandment than coveting your neighbor’s property… probably because women aren’t property.) It just goes to show that “the point” of the 10 commandments wasn’t to be literally 10 rules, but to instigate deeper contemplation. I mean, heck, the Bible has two separate lists in Exodus and Deuteronomy, consisting of different text. Which do you even pick?
Can’t wait to see the Satanic Temple’s tenets posted beside them
It’s honestly they only way to get ridiculous policy killed
The Satanic Temple has been kicking ass for decades. They either get the Christian displays removed from government buildings or they get a kick ass statue of their own that is 100x cooler.
If they push for it, I'll donate $20 again. Lol
Bring out my boy, Baphomet!
Haven’t we been down this road before? Fuck these Christian nationalists.
Yes, but we have a much more sympathetic SCOTUS this go around.
Republicans will be stoked until muslims use this to get prayer mats and Korans in every classroom. Then they will freak the fuck out.
Or the Satanic Temple will get all over this shit
Unfortunately TST is having an internal civil war right now. I doubt they will be doing much until the leadership can reorganize and rebuild.
Wait what? What’s going on with them?
In a nutshell- Some high ranking people in the church were fired for having disagreements with the head of the Church. Many TST churches have changed names and separated themselves from TST because they disagree with the decision. Both sides are accusing the others of foul play. I can't speak to what actually happened other than reading the bickering going on in the TST subreddit. That's the short version of it. I'm sure more information will emerge once the dust settles. Unfortunately no matter who is right the split in power will mean there is less focus on other things.
I can't think of anything that more solidly establishes The Satanic Temple as a bona fide religion than pointless infighting and indecipherable schisms.
It's very decipherable when you discover that a bunch of the problem comes from it's founder and it's PR stunt origins. From what I understand the headhoncho is a dickhead and went a bit control freak after some sexism scandal or smth and the people of the "you should really respect yourself and other people" not-religious-religion didn't like that.
Thank you for that quick summary. That is too bad. I hope they can figure their stuff out. They are one of only a few causes I am able to afford to donate to.
That's unfortunate, they're infighting at the worst possible time. This is presicely when they should be united against the religious freaks...
Teach your kids now to refuse to read it.
How about we require a script with the first 10 minutes of ABC's hit show *Desperate Housewives*? My religion requires it, and therefore you should all be subjected to it. I think im being actively discriminated against.
First 10 mins of the pilot episode? Of the 1st 'real' episode? Of your favorite episode? Of any random episode? I need to learn more about this religion!
I keep hoping some school district will require the mandatory display of the 75 Good Manners in The Quran and see how this all plays out.
My favorite part of this is the state isn't even going to pay for the displays it's mandating.
Of course not. The government wants to force religion on people, not education.
If I was a teacher, I would display it in cursive, no one's reading that.
lmao they never said you couldn't put it in wingdings!
The law actually does specify it needs to be in an easily readable font, according to[ this article](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp66xdxj0l3o) >The state law requires that a poster include the sacred text in "large, easily readable font" on a poster that is 11 inches by 14 inches (28cm by 35.5cm) and that the commandments are "the central focus" of the display. edit: I think [this ](https://legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1379435)is the full text of the bill and it specifies what, exactly, the text should be. I think they clarified the wording because someone offered to donate the displays but had written the commandments in Arabic.
The Arabic one is Texas, where the law is that schools must post signs that say "In God we trust" if they are donated to the school. They later had to clarify other signage factors like English, size, and zero embellishments for these signs after someone tried to suit an Arabic sign.
Wingdings can be easily readable, if you knew wingdings.
An easily readable font of Hebrew
Nothing is easily readable to the products of Louisiana's public education.
Easily readable to whom?
Clear violation of church and state separation, I’m sure the Supreme Court will… *checks notes on justices* … oh. Oh dear.
It was shot down when Kentucky tried it in 1980 but the margin was very close. 5-4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham
Grew up in Ireland where religion was taught in the school all the way till US 8 grade if I remember right. But society changed in Ireland with catholic church scandals, the 90’s tech boom and college education being made free My friend often referred to us as being the last generation to be ‘brought to mass’ So I’ve lived through what it was like before, during and after removing faith from government and policy The US is going backwards
Louisiana never went forwards
There's a reason Louisiana is one of the poorest and most uneducated states in the country. The GOP likes keeping their constituents poor and stupid because that's what keeps them in power.
That’s how you keep them in line.
Not true, there have been a lot of "progressive" Governors, it's more along when they're removed or murdered...
Louisiana doesn't cross the street when it can cross the hall
Modern day Conservatives aren’t conservative. They’re Regressives.
I can at least respect an actual conservative, cautious stance. "Lets wait for more research" and "I need to find out more before speaking on the matter" are conservative statements, if we're literal. I can respect that. But that's not what it means in politics, which I hate. Use words for what they mean, FFS.
You'd love Massachusetts politics, then! Socially progressive, but procedurally we're a "measure twice, then debate the merits of recommending the formation of an ad hoc committee to research the viability of a proposal to study the potential impacts of planning a potential pilot program" kind of a state.
The US is like a car. R goes backwards, D goes forward.
It’s scary that half the country doesn’t realize how we are back sliding. We’ve erased all the progress that was made in the past 70 years. I shudder to think what’s next.
So much for separation of church and state lol
So we are requiring kindergarten classrooms to display a document mentioning adultery but probably fire the teacher if they describe adulrty.
Lawsuits, incoming FFS... I HATE wasting time on this idiots The law is clear. The precedents are many This will fall or the american system of justice will finally complete its spiral down the drain.
Supreme Court already ruled on this in 1980 when Kentucky tried it. Clearly, states want to try the current court because they think it will be okayed this time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham
Unfortunately Stone v. Graham is based on the "lemon test" and that was overruled (in practice, in principal, however you want to say it) in the recent praying coach case Kennedy v. Bremerton. If this Louisiana law gets challenged and makes its way up to SCOTUS, I would bet dollars to donuts this court lets the new law stand.
Reading the text of the law, it was obviously designed to try and pass Supreme Court scrutiny. They... 1. Include background material on "legislative intent" arguing that (Christian) religion and North American politics were entwined since the Mayflower Compact. 2. Use the exact text of a version of the Ten Commandments that was allowed to stay up by the Supreme Court. 3. Mandate that public funds are not required while also mandating that private donations must be accepted. 4. Mandate explanatory text giving some historical information, e.g. the Ten Commandments showed up repeatedly in popular textbooks for many years. Rehnquist's dissent in the case they're trying to overturn hinged on finding secular value in the historical association between the Ten Commandments and Western law. (4) is obviously intended to provide such historical cover more forcefully. (1) is aimed at appealing to Originalist conservative Justices. (3) tries to get around criticisms of State-sponsored religion. Regarding (3), I find the arrangement particularly odious. In practice they're banking on an unofficial alliance between conservative politicians and Christian churches to make the law a reality. It's a deeply cynical attempt to get around the separation of Church and State by just not saying the quiet part out loud.
Yup. Are legal system is appallingly 'flexible'
The current Supreme Court is FUCKED and composed of Christian nationalists
Louisiana is ranked 48-50th in terms of education in the states. This stupid shit is further evidence as to why
Oh good, another stupid issue for our courts to waste time on.
Christian Nationalism = American Taliban Is there any greater hypocrisy in society than Christianity?
Christian Ultra Nationalist Tribe
They should just put it in churches since they don't even follow it.
I remember when Stephen Colbert interviewed the Congressman trying to get the Ten Commandments displayed in Georgia and then asked him to name them and he couldn't lololol. [https://www.cc.com/video/tlf8t3/the-colbert-report-better-know-a-district-georgia-s-8th-lynn-westmoreland](https://www.cc.com/video/tlf8t3/the-colbert-report-better-know-a-district-georgia-s-8th-lynn-westmoreland)
More people should ask Bible thumping politicians to discuss the Bible. I would eat my shoes if Donald Trump could pass a Bible trivia quiz.
Religion was such a huge mistake.
No way this isn't going to get challenged and struck down. And in the meantime all such displays should be defaced and destroyed.
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I’m looking forward to seeing the Satanic Temple’s response.
Unconstitutional. Religious freedom is the point of America. No religious symbols in public institutions.
Imagine forcing religious rules on how to be a good person and not provide free lunches
Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
I personally forgive any students who choose to vandalize their school’s Ten Commandments.
Unfortunately, no child can read.
Turning the USA into Gilead step by step.
Time for a Satanic Temple lawsuit
kids are going to see the commandments, then see the GOP nominee for president, and they'll end up thinking that it's a to-do list
Honestly fuck this country
Fuck these fascists, but I'm not giving up on America. I'll fight them to my last breath.
The article doesn't seem to give many details, but doesn't this basically go against the entire point of the US existing?
The first 4 are about not hurting god's feelings, one of the most overrated lists of all time.
If those kids could read, they'd be very upset.
Louisiana education ranks 42nd. Most kids won’t be able to read or understand them anyway. One would think they had bigger issues to solve in their educational system.
Let's see how many seconds it takes before the Satanic Temple sues.
Do you want a baphamet statue? Because that’s how you get a baphamet statue.
Christo-Fascism has rose in the South, just like the GOP wants. Expect a steady erosion of human rights in the near future.
Seriously. Honestly compare this: 1. THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. 2. THOU SHALT NOT MAKEUNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE. 3. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. 4. REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. 5. HONOUR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. 6. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. 7. THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. 8. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. 9. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINSTTHY NEIGHBOUR. 10. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOUR'S HOUSE. To this: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. 5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. I will go with satan and chose the second list as my guide to loving a good life. Fuck Christianity, fuck all religions. It’s time to make America great for the first time and do away with religion’s influence.
Must be nice to be a Conservative and live in a world where you think that laws and rules dont apply to you if you don’t like them. The Satanic church needs to sue until their religious texts are allowed to be displayed. Same with Jews, Hindus and Muslims. Can’t just be for Christian stuff. With that said, fuck the Conservative Christian right in this country. Fucking embarrassing, un-American fuckwads.
This means they have to display the commandments from my religion as well, right? RIGHT?
Yes. That’s very important. Never mind that the state ranks [49th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state) in education.
They got enough money to put the ten commandments in every classroom but not enough to feed the kids free lunches.