1-8 are the forwards, 9 is the scrum half and 10-15 are the backs. It has no correlation to ability; they are different roles requiring different skills and different physiques too.
There’s no difference between “skill” and “ability”, but there is a difference between “skill/ability” and “skills/abilities”.
Prime Shaq and Prime Steph Curry have similar level of ability (skill) but much difference skills (abilities)
11 & 14 are almost always the quickest on the team (left and right wing)
And position absolutely correlates to particular combination of skills abilities and physique (although the combinations a not set in stone)
Position correlates to their skills and abilities, but the skill level could be the same between positions (as explained above, Shaq and Steph Curry have similar skill levels, but very different skills and abilities)
1-8 actually play the game. 9-15 are pussies who stand around until they see a chance to do something like this, and everyone thinks they're heroes. Fucking backs.
Because this is a winter game, and 9-15 generally are skinny blokes without an ounce of fat on them (ahem Dan Carter, underwear model), they often get cold while they are standing around waiting for 1-8 to do something useful with the ball.
And because 1-8 are slow fat bastards with poor ball handling skills, they frequently drop the ball which means yet another scrum, which means the 1-8s continue to have the ball so they can continue to drop it. That, and earning penalties every few minutes for reasons known only to the ref and completely impossible to observe by the crowd, makes for some staggeringly boring rugby.
My solution is we bring two balls into play at the same time. A pink ball for the forwards to play with, and a yellow ball for the backs to play sevens with, just with some slow moving obstacles in the field.
We'd be happy with a rock to fight over as long as you throw us a back as sacrifice to crunch every few minutes.
But in seriousness, I think the problem with the game right now is the incessant kicking for territory by teams like England, which is a backs problem. The days of Brian Moore losing his shit in commentary over crooked feeds to scrums are over, most refs just seem to look for a penalty after the thing goes down once. Breakdowns are also quite dynamic with jackaling and quick recycling being so important.
When I used to play I was a flanker ~75% of the time, centre ~20% of the time and winger ~5% of the time, and for some reason I'm getting the vibes that neither of you like me
First 8 numbers sharing a brain cell between themselves, so slow their grandmothers could catch their fat, neckless selves if asked to run for anything other than a pint.
Fucking Forwards.
We was that dire for hookers once we just shove another prop in, he didn't hook because he told me someone told him not to. No it wasn't some 4d chess move but he was that thick. The fucking opposition told him not to hook, I told him to leave.
What usually happens with a chip and chase, as soon as the player kicks it forward, the focus of the opposition leaves the player, and then they should be trying to get onto the loose ball, that is until he scooped it up again, then they should be back onto chasing him down once again.
EDIT: Those guys standing still that he ran through are generally *Foward* players. Big burly blokes that have no chance of chasing such down an agile *Backs* player, so they rarely bother in a situation like this one.
> Does blocking the player become a foul if he doesn't have the ball?
Yes. You can only tackle a player who has the ball.
There's a bit of leeway where if you're already committed to the tackle and he unloads it then you won't get penalised if you couldnt reasonably have aborted
Not until something stops it (penalty, out-of-bounds, try, etc) or if the player is in actual danger, like he is injured and rucks/mauls are still happening very close by.
Typically only for a serious injury, like a leg break or someone is knocked unconscious, or if it looks like play is going to end up colliding with the downed player (which was pretty close in this scenario).
I've watched this a few times and I'm confused. What was the point of the self pass? It seems like it just introduced a lot of risk, considering he ran forward that distance anyway.
That’s really interesting. Provide yourself temporary immunity at the risk of someone else grabbing the ball during that time.
Is this a common tactic used during rugby, or do most players play it safe???
The kick and chase by one player generally happens a few times per game at least in the high level competitions I'm familiar with (this is the Paris derby Racing 92 in white vs Stade Français in pink, French Top 14, very high club level), but not that often in this situation here (team with the ball is sitting low on the field) because of the risk of possibly giving back the opponents the ball this close to the end zone, usually the team with the ball this low on the field will try to clear the ball as far away as possible to get their line up the field.
Another risk on such a play is that even if the kicker manages to grab the ball, if he gets tackled he can be isolated from his teammates and lose the ball on the ground, so you really need to be aware of what's going on to try it, it's a double edged sword. 14 pink here is under that risk when he breaks the tackle, if he gets taken to the ground he doesn't have support in the immediate vicinity while the tackler has a teammate a couple of meters away who could "jackal" the ball if the play is taken to the ground. Not getting isolated from support is an important tactical element in rugby.
It's more something you see when the play is positionned near the midfield and the attacking team repeatedly fails to break through the defensive line with other means OR when the ball carrier spots a hole in coverage behind the defensive line and feels cheeky, this is what happened here but in an unusual position.
They can't charge or hold him without the ball and the only way you can throw the ball forward in rugby is with a kick
It's still random tho, the ball can rebound any directions, ...
Yes, treatment happens on the field
Play is only stopped if the players are getting close to the injured player and in danger of making contact.
This is an example of a time where you would expect it to be stopped but it happened fast and it's great it didn't!
Exception is a head injury or if there is an injury/multiple injuries and the clock is already stopped. In those cases it's typical not to restart until the injury is treated or player is removed from the field. A head injury can be a temporary substitution for an independent concussion assessment by a doctor to determine if the player can continue. Similar for blood injuries where player has to be patched up before continuing so that he's not actively bleeding when in contact with other players, again a temporary substitute is allowed if he needs stitches before continuing as this can take a few minutes
Yes I love the levers of sport that create a balance like the faster you hit a ball the harder it is to stop, but the faster you hit it the harder it is to control the direction making it easier to stop....like tennis, baseball etc. Or in Formula 1 having a 1 stop strategy instead of 2 means you waste less time stopping the car but this is compensated by the additional wear on your tyres by running them longer
This is what I like about the extra points kick (conversion) after a try
The closer to the corner of the goal line, the easier it is to score a try as you get more space passing to the outsides to stretch the defence. But scoring in the corner means a much harder kick for the conversion so less of a chance of 5pts becoming 7.
But scoring under the posts is a near guaranteed 7 points as it's a gimmie kick, but it's much harder to find gaps to run through down the centre
Sport should always be set out to have these types of balances and appropriate incentives to reward riskier plays and disadvantage easier options
Rugby Union does have its pauses, but you're right there's far fewer of them, and they're usually quite quick and the resumption is far more fluid than American football.
I think one big reason the NFL cannot treat players on the field is that they don't use the whole field with players spread on it in the same way Rigby or soccer do, let's say an interior o line or d line player get hurt even with a minor injury on like a 3 yard run, the next play would be trying to line up on top of the medic and injured player.
There's no need for nfl medical staff to come on to the field while the ball is live because each play only lasts up to 10-15 seconds.
Also there are natural breaks between every down in the so it makes sense to pause the game until the injured player has been assisted off the field. The same would happen in rugby and soccer - there are certain points when the team in possession would like to take a quick restart after a foul by the other team or if the ball goes out of play, but the ref would stop this if there was an injured player being treated or needing treatment on the field.
France has a reputation in the Rugby world for being a bit French.
What this means for a non-rugby fan is that they oftentimes have unique interpretations of the game and it’s rules, which leads to sometimes beautiful but sometimes confusing decisions at all levels of rugby. Whether it’s a rather loose interpretation of when to call a play like this, or having a captain who didn’t know that he was captain at the World Cup. It is also important to note that France is actually very good rugby and consistently has pretty much been the best nation not to win a World Cup.
Edit: for those interested in what “Frenchness” looks like, the first minute of [this video](https://youtu.be/X5lbhsTVy5A?si=-5mgUE01W5OL3P5B) sums it up nicely
I was rooting for France at the recent RWC. Would've been great for them to be champions at their home RWC.
I was also rooting for them because it's a bit stale when the only two teams that win are only SA or NZ.
It’s similar to American football except there’s around 80 minutes of action per game instead of 7.
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EDIT: sorry I was being facetious and didn’t realise this comment would really be seen…
Disclaimer:
- I don’t really watch rugby but I appreciate it
- I do know there are loads of tactical levels to American football
- I’ve visited the US over 15 times and all banter is for playful purposes only
Yeah that doesn't interfere with a game being interesting. I never understood Americans prefering half an hour of ad breaks in any sport over ads on jerseys and pitches/fields.
Nobody wears their name on their jersey in rugby additionally the number you wear will change from match to match as it is tied to the position not to the player
They don't, instead of paying to interrupt the game companies pay to put their logos on screen during the game by sponsoring the shirts, sidelines and the pitch etc.
The LED NBA court is next level shit. A lot of European ads are green screened in now so it doesn't affect the players and so they can sell the same space to multiple markets.
It’s like American Football but instead of passing the ball forward with your hand, you can only pass it backwards with them (the same doesn’t apply for kicks as shown in the video).
For “touchdowns” you don’t just need to have a possession in the opposing end zone, you need to place the ball on the ground.
Listen you can dislike American football all you want but it's obviously a sport and what people who don't understand it just don't seem get is that the pauses add a completely different aspect to the game. It's how coaches have such a big impact because the strategy is so much more intense. You simply can't have the level of complexity when play never stops. And that's fine, I'm sure rugby is fun to both watch and play, it's just a different type of game.
Are ads annoying? Yes. But the whole "they only play for 10 minutes" or whatever is a criticism that only makes sense to people who don't care about the sport. In my opinion the sheer feats of athleticism that happen in american football are unmatched in other major sports, it's what makes it so great in my mind. Watching highlight reels of the NFL are bonkers, it just has the kind of spectacle that I've really never seen anywhere else.
This try in the video was nice, I can definitely appreciate it and that self kick was really well executed. But this pales in comparison in my mind to any highlight reel from the NFL. So I think the added downtime is really worth it, even if I would like there to be less commercials.
That's exactly right. That allows for some really creative plays due to substitions and the reset between plays. Plus giving players some rest allows for a really intense burst. It's more of a series of sprints than a marathon.
I've used this before, yes. It's turn based strategy over active time strategy. It's chess match played with big ugly dudes. I've tried to explain that its rough to compare gridiron football to rugby. it obviously derived from rugby, but became it's own animal, that you can't really compare too much. It's a sport that much more about clock management and trying to constantly outguess/outthink what you opponent's strategy is. It's defiantly rediculous, but I'm obsessed with it.
EDIT: and just to add, I think Rugby is one of the coolest sports of all time. I don't understand the weird competition of what sports are better than others.
Appreciate this comment, they're different sports. Listening to all-time QBs talk about reading defenses or safeties like Polamalu who always know where the ball is going, theres a huge mental aspect. Youd have to be pretty ignorant to talk down about a sport you dont know shit about. I've always been more of a college football fan, NFL players are just too damn good. Still enjoy watching both but I like how unpredictable cfb can be sometimes and the atmosphere is great. But things are changing fast. Anyways, let me ignorant for second and say NFL players would destroy these rugby leagues if they played, best athletes in the world.
And yeah, everyone hates ads.
> You simply can't have the level of complexity when play never stops. And that's fine, I'm sure rugby is fun to both watch and play
Nice to know that someone that hasn't played Rugby likes to downplay it. Nice to know that you think it's less complex by a clip.
>It's how coaches have such a big impact because the strategy is so much more intense.
TIL that there are no coaches in Rugby
>Yes. But the whole "they only play for 10 minutes"
>Watching highlight reels of the NFL are bonkers
My sport is only interesting when you watch the highlights. Not really a good point there.
>This try in the video was nice... But this pales in comparison in my mind to any highlight reel from the NFL.
Comparing a clip vs a highlight real, what?
>Listen you can dislike American football all you want
Listen you can dislike Rugby all you want
As someone who has played years and years of rugby and only watched American football (albeit extensively), /u/Illadelphian is more or less right about the coaches having a *much* larger impact during the course of the game (although coaches of course prepare teams massively before the games in both sports). There is of course strategy in rugby, but it's not to the degree that you have it micromanaged in American football.
I can see how the "this pales in comparison to any highlight real from the NFL" comment would piss you off, and it was really unfair of him as this wasn't a highlight reel (although he was probably just pissed off responding to the previous poster), but he's really right about the strategic complexity. It's a completely different game, and the players have a lot more agency in rugby while the coaches have more in American football.
And the "feats of athleticism" comment was just stupid. Ruggers are in just as high peak athleticism as football players.
It's really nothing like American Football at all, although, that's probably the closest common reference. They are both full contact sports and you can carry the ball forward in your hands in both. But other than that, that's about the extent of the similarities. Trying to compare Rugby to American Football doesn't really help someone understand rugby better. No armor. No passing forward . No interference (blocking tackles). No shoulder charging or tackling without trying to hold the player. No special teams or switching defense and offensive teams. No downs or stopages in general play. Your best bet is watching a YouTube video that tries to explain rugby union rules than trying to compare it to American Football.
No matter how many times I watch rugby with Americans the thing they're nearly always surprised most about is the team that concedes a score takes the kick off to restart the game. Which makes complete sense but is the opposite in American football where it's a much bigger deal to 'receive' the kick off
American football had the same rules at some point, and in fact, those are the current rules for anyone who isn’t the quarterback. The existence of the quarterback is singularly what causes American football to be so absurdly different from the rest of them.
If you have the ball run with ball until you get past the post put ball on the ground don't get tackled. If you don't have the ball tackle the person who does
Don't pass forward
Don't tackle above the shoulders
Its pretty simple actually. To put it at its most basic, team with the rugby forms a line and tries to advance, but they cant pass forward while the other team tries to stop the offensive team by tackling the guy with the ball and gaining it back.
Yes, but it was fairly close. There must be so much adrenaline at that point, but God, just ground the damn ball squarely. If you dropped it after all that you’d never be able to look yourself in the mirror again.
He’s not one of the big players, he’s a wing weighing 95kg- about 210 lbs. There will be players on the field a third as heavy again. Stade Français has a couple over 135kgs.
Im a stupid Chinese and I have no idea about the rules in rugby. I only know a little bit american football. Can someone fill me in why he runs to the goal then self pass?
He was running back towards his own team’s goal line when he caught the ball, so he continued around behind his own goal posts to evade the other team’s attackers. Then he cut back into the field of play.
He saw that the attackers were closing in on him, so he kicked the ball ahead a short distance (you can’t throw it forward but you can kick it forward).
Now he doesn’t have the ball so none of the other team are allowed to tackle or impede him. They can only try and get to the ball before him. He uses his superior speed to get to the bouncing ball first and regather it with his hands. All good as long as he doesn’t drop it.
From there, he just uses pure speed and strength to evade defenders and reach the opposition goal line to place the ball on the ground for a “try” worth 5 points.
He ran cross-field as close as he could to the goal posts because after a “try” is scored, the scoring team gets to attempt a kicked “conversion” through the goalposts worth an extra two points. The kick must be taken from a point in line with place where the “try” was scored, so getting close to the posts makes the kick easier to get through the posts above the crossbar.
Do some research on national teams and which ones have been good/powerhouses in the past. Once you have some basic knowledge on that you'll have the context to understand most international games.
Then watch [2015 RWC: RSA vs JPN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFy1r3nu-mU) for one of the greatest matches ever played. It literally has an anime plotline and there was even a movie made about this match.
In rugby you’re only allowed to pass the ball backwards with the exception for kicks which can be used to move the ball forward, ~~though it’s only allowed to bounce once before becoming ’knock on’ which then grants possession to the opposing team.~~ (got this last bit wrong, been a good few years since I played in my school days 😅)
In the clip shown, the white team kick the ball forward to apply pressure on the pink team and potentially score a try, however, the pink player catches us and builds his momentum by running through his own try line. And a try (score) is only awarded if the ball makes contact with the ground while still in contact with a player.
After circling around, the pink player does a small kick into an open part of the field to make progress up the field while avoiding his opponent’s. Successfully recovers the ball and evades incoming tackles with good movement and makes a break for the other end of the field where he touches the ball down under the posts. Part of the reason to place it closer to the centre is to make the conversion kick afterwards easier.
Pretty much correct. Just one thing, when you kick the ball forward with the aim of chasing it, the ball can bounce any number of times before being regathered. It’s just that the ball is oval and can bounce unpredictably so it is usually best to get it after the first favourable bounce.
There is a technique called a “grubber” where you kick the ball along the ground end over end. Eventually the ovalness of the ball causes it to pop back up into the air where you can catch it again easily.
He runs backwards a bit just to give himself some more space. The kick is called a chip and chase, the opposition players can't interfere with him whilst he doesn't have the ball so it allows him to run through and regather the ball
For any Americans wondering, in rugby you don't score until you have touched the ball to the ground. Then there is a kick conversion for 2 more points. The kick comes from inline from where the ball was grounded.
So that's why after entering the 'end zone' he runs towards the middle before touching the ball down.
I've always thought it was ironic that the American "touchdown" does not require a *touch down* like Rugby. I enjoy both sports and I like to compare and contrast
God When Designing Their Genetics: “I wonder what would happen if I made people shaped like actual 1950 comic book super heroes….” (No neck, thick jawline, impossibly narrow shoulder/hip/waist/ass ratios, just absolutely jacked)
If you are interested in more visit r/rugbyunion currently in the middle of the northern hemisphere season and towards the beginning of the southern hemisphere season. There is also the six nations championship ongoing at the moment contested between England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France & Italy
The size to speed ratio of elite rugby players is insane. Yesterday, in the Six Nations (an annual rugby union competition between England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy) a Scottish player called Duhan van der Merwe beasted England, scoring three tries. His second try involved him running about half the length of the pitch at crazy speed. He weighs 106kg and yet has incredible pace. If you Google him, you’ll see that he basically looks like an IRL chad meme incarnate.
He'd probably be considered one of the smaller ones.
Jonah Lomu used to do that and weighed something like 110-120kg, man could outpace most of the other team and ran through anyone in his way.
This self pass was insane
It's known as a *chip and chase*. :)
And if anyone with a number 8 or lower tries it, you are probably in for an earful from the coach
Is there a special significance to the numbers?
1-8 are the forwards, 9 is the scrum half and 10-15 are the backs. It has no correlation to ability; they are different roles requiring different skills and different physiques too.
Skills and ability are pretty synonymous. There's a reason you don't see people from the Pack doing it
There’s no difference between “skill” and “ability”, but there is a difference between “skill/ability” and “skills/abilities”. Prime Shaq and Prime Steph Curry have similar level of ability (skill) but much difference skills (abilities)
ACTSHUALLY! Just kidding, that made sense and was helpful.
SHAQTUALLY!
Thanks a lot, English. That hurts just reading it, much appreciated.
\#3, Tighthead prop, checking in. Confirmed- I would not be running flat out for 120m.
There’s a pork pie on the other tryline.
It better be peppery- I'll be there in 2-3 minutes.
Loosehead here...#1 on the pitch, number #658 in sprinting more than 10m. Even in my prime.
11 & 14 are almost always the quickest on the team (left and right wing) And position absolutely correlates to particular combination of skills abilities and physique (although the combinations a not set in stone)
Position correlates to their skills and abilities, but the skill level could be the same between positions (as explained above, Shaq and Steph Curry have similar skill levels, but very different skills and abilities)
1-8 are big and slow, 9 is small, 10 can kick, and 11-15 are quick (this is a huge generalisation tho)
Used to be the case Not so much now, the backs are also big hard bastards also
6, 7 and 8 will be pretty fleet of foot nowadays too. Certainly gonna have a lot of momentum.
Former number 2 here. I'd have been lying on the floor somewhere as that bloke bombed down the pitch.
Front row union unite! Orks together strong!
Also former number 2. I'm lying on the floor clutching what remains of my ear after some bastard prop took a chunk out of it. Happy days!
Another former number 2 here. I'm getting a stitch watching this.
I'm getting a beer.
1-8 actually play the game. 9-15 are pussies who stand around until they see a chance to do something like this, and everyone thinks they're heroes. Fucking backs.
Because this is a winter game, and 9-15 generally are skinny blokes without an ounce of fat on them (ahem Dan Carter, underwear model), they often get cold while they are standing around waiting for 1-8 to do something useful with the ball. And because 1-8 are slow fat bastards with poor ball handling skills, they frequently drop the ball which means yet another scrum, which means the 1-8s continue to have the ball so they can continue to drop it. That, and earning penalties every few minutes for reasons known only to the ref and completely impossible to observe by the crowd, makes for some staggeringly boring rugby. My solution is we bring two balls into play at the same time. A pink ball for the forwards to play with, and a yellow ball for the backs to play sevens with, just with some slow moving obstacles in the field.
And then add a 3rd, tiny, self-propelled ball that the fastest on each team needs to catch.
FFS, Harry, stop trying to relive your glory days. You've got a family now. Put down the pint and go home to Ginny...
Luv me Quidditch Luv me a good pint 'ate me wife Simple as.
We'd be happy with a rock to fight over as long as you throw us a back as sacrifice to crunch every few minutes. But in seriousness, I think the problem with the game right now is the incessant kicking for territory by teams like England, which is a backs problem. The days of Brian Moore losing his shit in commentary over crooked feeds to scrums are over, most refs just seem to look for a penalty after the thing goes down once. Breakdowns are also quite dynamic with jackaling and quick recycling being so important.
When I used to play I was a flanker ~75% of the time, centre ~20% of the time and winger ~5% of the time, and for some reason I'm getting the vibes that neither of you like me
First 8 numbers sharing a brain cell between themselves, so slow their grandmothers could catch their fat, neckless selves if asked to run for anything other than a pint. Fucking Forwards.
If me could read would be upset and stomp you head.
We was that dire for hookers once we just shove another prop in, he didn't hook because he told me someone told him not to. No it wasn't some 4d chess move but he was that thick. The fucking opposition told him not to hook, I told him to leave.
As a former Center and then winger during my school years, can confirm. Cleanest kit on the field. Lol
*Looks at the dudes number* *14* We gucci
How was that not a knock on when he tapped it forward on the first touch.
Because he caught it in the 2nd touch, so maintained control.
And no one else touched it, nor did the ball make contact with anything else.
Yeah, quite strange! I read others comments and learn everyday about rugby rules :)
Any reason why the defense stopped dead in their tracks after the kick? Does blocking the player become a foul if he doesn't have the ball?
The other guy didn't really answer your question. Yes, it would have been a penalty if they tackled him without the ball.
Ahh, yes. Missed that bit. You cannot tackle a player that doesn't have procession of the ball.
What usually happens with a chip and chase, as soon as the player kicks it forward, the focus of the opposition leaves the player, and then they should be trying to get onto the loose ball, that is until he scooped it up again, then they should be back onto chasing him down once again. EDIT: Those guys standing still that he ran through are generally *Foward* players. Big burly blokes that have no chance of chasing such down an agile *Backs* player, so they rarely bother in a situation like this one.
> Does blocking the player become a foul if he doesn't have the ball? Yes. You can only tackle a player who has the ball. There's a bit of leeway where if you're already committed to the tackle and he unloads it then you won't get penalised if you couldnt reasonably have aborted
Used the trainer as an extra blocker and got one hell of a lucky bounce.
When players are injured, play doesn’t stop?
Not until something stops it (penalty, out-of-bounds, try, etc) or if the player is in actual danger, like he is injured and rucks/mauls are still happening very close by.
Typically only for a serious injury, like a leg break or someone is knocked unconscious, or if it looks like play is going to end up colliding with the downed player (which was pretty close in this scenario).
Is kicking in direction of a medical considered bad manner?
He didn’t trample on the injured player or the medic - fair game.
Came here to find this answer
I've watched this a few times and I'm confused. What was the point of the self pass? It seems like it just introduced a lot of risk, considering he ran forward that distance anyway.
You can’t tackle a player without the ball, so it allowed him to run past the four players in front of him without being tackled
That’s really interesting. Provide yourself temporary immunity at the risk of someone else grabbing the ball during that time. Is this a common tactic used during rugby, or do most players play it safe???
The kick and chase by one player generally happens a few times per game at least in the high level competitions I'm familiar with (this is the Paris derby Racing 92 in white vs Stade Français in pink, French Top 14, very high club level), but not that often in this situation here (team with the ball is sitting low on the field) because of the risk of possibly giving back the opponents the ball this close to the end zone, usually the team with the ball this low on the field will try to clear the ball as far away as possible to get their line up the field. Another risk on such a play is that even if the kicker manages to grab the ball, if he gets tackled he can be isolated from his teammates and lose the ball on the ground, so you really need to be aware of what's going on to try it, it's a double edged sword. 14 pink here is under that risk when he breaks the tackle, if he gets taken to the ground he doesn't have support in the immediate vicinity while the tackler has a teammate a couple of meters away who could "jackal" the ball if the play is taken to the ground. Not getting isolated from support is an important tactical element in rugby. It's more something you see when the play is positionned near the midfield and the attacking team repeatedly fails to break through the defensive line with other means OR when the ball carrier spots a hole in coverage behind the defensive line and feels cheeky, this is what happened here but in an unusual position.
They can't charge or hold him without the ball and the only way you can throw the ball forward in rugby is with a kick It's still random tho, the ball can rebound any directions, ...
The medic was slightly unexpected, lol
Usually play is stopped by the ref if play gets close to an injured player but this happened so quick. Also, France.
But it is normal for the play to continue if someone is injured? Edit: and there is already a medic in the field
Depends on the severity of the injury, if it’s relatively minor the doctor/medic can run on and off again, if it’s major play is stopped
How can you make the distinction though?
The person checking the player makes the call to the ref iirc.
Ref : is he ok? Medic : *looks at player all bloodied* Player : Tis but a scratch!
A *scratch*? Your arm’s off!!
Alright, we’ll call it a draw
r/todayilearned
Yes, treatment happens on the field Play is only stopped if the players are getting close to the injured player and in danger of making contact. This is an example of a time where you would expect it to be stopped but it happened fast and it's great it didn't! Exception is a head injury or if there is an injury/multiple injuries and the clock is already stopped. In those cases it's typical not to restart until the injury is treated or player is removed from the field. A head injury can be a temporary substitution for an independent concussion assessment by a doctor to determine if the player can continue. Similar for blood injuries where player has to be patched up before continuing so that he's not actively bleeding when in contact with other players, again a temporary substitute is allowed if he needs stitches before continuing as this can take a few minutes
The reluctance to stop play and kicking the ball from where the try was downed are two of the things I wish American football would incorporate.
Yes I love the levers of sport that create a balance like the faster you hit a ball the harder it is to stop, but the faster you hit it the harder it is to control the direction making it easier to stop....like tennis, baseball etc. Or in Formula 1 having a 1 stop strategy instead of 2 means you waste less time stopping the car but this is compensated by the additional wear on your tyres by running them longer This is what I like about the extra points kick (conversion) after a try The closer to the corner of the goal line, the easier it is to score a try as you get more space passing to the outsides to stretch the defence. But scoring in the corner means a much harder kick for the conversion so less of a chance of 5pts becoming 7. But scoring under the posts is a near guaranteed 7 points as it's a gimmie kick, but it's much harder to find gaps to run through down the centre Sport should always be set out to have these types of balances and appropriate incentives to reward riskier plays and disadvantage easier options
Rugby Union does have its pauses, but you're right there's far fewer of them, and they're usually quite quick and the resumption is far more fluid than American football.
I think one big reason the NFL cannot treat players on the field is that they don't use the whole field with players spread on it in the same way Rigby or soccer do, let's say an interior o line or d line player get hurt even with a minor injury on like a 3 yard run, the next play would be trying to line up on top of the medic and injured player.
There's no need for nfl medical staff to come on to the field while the ball is live because each play only lasts up to 10-15 seconds. Also there are natural breaks between every down in the so it makes sense to pause the game until the injured player has been assisted off the field. The same would happen in rugby and soccer - there are certain points when the team in possession would like to take a quick restart after a foul by the other team or if the ball goes out of play, but the ref would stop this if there was an injured player being treated or needing treatment on the field.
If you don't stop play, when will you cut to commercial?!
This player absolutely saw the opportunity to use the player getting treatment to his advantage and took it.
Probably should have been stopped for that reason, but I guess *rule of cool*.
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France has a reputation in the Rugby world for being a bit French. What this means for a non-rugby fan is that they oftentimes have unique interpretations of the game and it’s rules, which leads to sometimes beautiful but sometimes confusing decisions at all levels of rugby. Whether it’s a rather loose interpretation of when to call a play like this, or having a captain who didn’t know that he was captain at the World Cup. It is also important to note that France is actually very good rugby and consistently has pretty much been the best nation not to win a World Cup. Edit: for those interested in what “Frenchness” looks like, the first minute of [this video](https://youtu.be/X5lbhsTVy5A?si=-5mgUE01W5OL3P5B) sums it up nicely
I was rooting for France at the recent RWC. Would've been great for them to be champions at their home RWC. I was also rooting for them because it's a bit stale when the only two teams that win are only SA or NZ.
France winning a World Cup is the best thing that could happen for rugby, and the worst thing, at the same time with no in between.
Bro saw Messi drop the ball over an injured player and said hold my beer
I never have any idea what's going on in rugby
It’s similar to American football except there’s around 80 minutes of action per game instead of 7. . . . . . EDIT: sorry I was being facetious and didn’t realise this comment would really be seen… Disclaimer: - I don’t really watch rugby but I appreciate it - I do know there are loads of tactical levels to American football - I’ve visited the US over 15 times and all banter is for playful purposes only
So when do you run ads?
You don't
Well that’s not very American
There's literally a massive ad on his back where his name should be lol
Yeah that doesn't interfere with a game being interesting. I never understood Americans prefering half an hour of ad breaks in any sport over ads on jerseys and pitches/fields.
Prefer is a strong word.
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Nobody wears their name on their jersey in rugby additionally the number you wear will change from match to match as it is tied to the position not to the player
The whole team is an ad for T-Mobile
So it's communism then.
no that’s what some people do at church. you’re thinking of when people talk to each other
No, that's communion. You're thinking of the NBC sitcom.
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No, that’s a committee. You’re thinking of being dedicated to an activity.
They don't, instead of paying to interrupt the game companies pay to put their logos on screen during the game by sponsoring the shirts, sidelines and the pitch etc.
See the great thing about the US is we get both of those!!
The LED NBA court is next level shit. A lot of European ads are green screened in now so it doesn't affect the players and so they can sell the same space to multiple markets.
I’m suddenly craving a Capri Sun for the first time in decades!
If you look around the side of the pitch, those are the ads.
You have 15 mins of half-time for that, and you might get long enough clock stops (out of TMO calls) inside a half for 2 or 3 more
That doesn't help because I have no idea what's going on in American Football either.
That's okay, most of the refs in American football don't have any idea either.
Not sure Americans would agree with you after they've seen a scrum get reset ten times.
That’s why you watch rugby league instead.
It’s not really similar apart from the fact that the ball is oval, there are tackles, and you mainly play with your hands
Is the action happening somewhere else when they spend half an hour trying to set up a scrum?
It’s like American Football but instead of passing the ball forward with your hand, you can only pass it backwards with them (the same doesn’t apply for kicks as shown in the video). For “touchdowns” you don’t just need to have a possession in the opposing end zone, you need to place the ball on the ground.
Also no pads, no frequent play stoppages and the players make a fraction of what an NFL player makes.
Sport vs ad show
Listen you can dislike American football all you want but it's obviously a sport and what people who don't understand it just don't seem get is that the pauses add a completely different aspect to the game. It's how coaches have such a big impact because the strategy is so much more intense. You simply can't have the level of complexity when play never stops. And that's fine, I'm sure rugby is fun to both watch and play, it's just a different type of game. Are ads annoying? Yes. But the whole "they only play for 10 minutes" or whatever is a criticism that only makes sense to people who don't care about the sport. In my opinion the sheer feats of athleticism that happen in american football are unmatched in other major sports, it's what makes it so great in my mind. Watching highlight reels of the NFL are bonkers, it just has the kind of spectacle that I've really never seen anywhere else. This try in the video was nice, I can definitely appreciate it and that self kick was really well executed. But this pales in comparison in my mind to any highlight reel from the NFL. So I think the added downtime is really worth it, even if I would like there to be less commercials.
As a Brit, my understanding of American football is that it's basically a turn based sport?
That's exactly right. That allows for some really creative plays due to substitions and the reset between plays. Plus giving players some rest allows for a really intense burst. It's more of a series of sprints than a marathon.
I've used this before, yes. It's turn based strategy over active time strategy. It's chess match played with big ugly dudes. I've tried to explain that its rough to compare gridiron football to rugby. it obviously derived from rugby, but became it's own animal, that you can't really compare too much. It's a sport that much more about clock management and trying to constantly outguess/outthink what you opponent's strategy is. It's defiantly rediculous, but I'm obsessed with it. EDIT: and just to add, I think Rugby is one of the coolest sports of all time. I don't understand the weird competition of what sports are better than others.
Appreciate this comment, they're different sports. Listening to all-time QBs talk about reading defenses or safeties like Polamalu who always know where the ball is going, theres a huge mental aspect. Youd have to be pretty ignorant to talk down about a sport you dont know shit about. I've always been more of a college football fan, NFL players are just too damn good. Still enjoy watching both but I like how unpredictable cfb can be sometimes and the atmosphere is great. But things are changing fast. Anyways, let me ignorant for second and say NFL players would destroy these rugby leagues if they played, best athletes in the world. And yeah, everyone hates ads.
> You simply can't have the level of complexity when play never stops. And that's fine, I'm sure rugby is fun to both watch and play Nice to know that someone that hasn't played Rugby likes to downplay it. Nice to know that you think it's less complex by a clip. >It's how coaches have such a big impact because the strategy is so much more intense. TIL that there are no coaches in Rugby >Yes. But the whole "they only play for 10 minutes" >Watching highlight reels of the NFL are bonkers My sport is only interesting when you watch the highlights. Not really a good point there. >This try in the video was nice... But this pales in comparison in my mind to any highlight reel from the NFL. Comparing a clip vs a highlight real, what? >Listen you can dislike American football all you want Listen you can dislike Rugby all you want
As someone who has played years and years of rugby and only watched American football (albeit extensively), /u/Illadelphian is more or less right about the coaches having a *much* larger impact during the course of the game (although coaches of course prepare teams massively before the games in both sports). There is of course strategy in rugby, but it's not to the degree that you have it micromanaged in American football. I can see how the "this pales in comparison to any highlight real from the NFL" comment would piss you off, and it was really unfair of him as this wasn't a highlight reel (although he was probably just pissed off responding to the previous poster), but he's really right about the strategic complexity. It's a completely different game, and the players have a lot more agency in rugby while the coaches have more in American football. And the "feats of athleticism" comment was just stupid. Ruggers are in just as high peak athleticism as football players.
For those who don’t know rugby was the original sport from which America football was derived
And American football was created because Walter Camp felt that scrums were too confusing and disorderly, so he created the "line of scrimmage".
And also the amount of yards you run with the ball doesn’t matter you keep the ball until the other manages to intercept it from you
That depends on the version Rugby. Union is like that, League you have a limited number of stops before you must change possession.
It's really nothing like American Football at all, although, that's probably the closest common reference. They are both full contact sports and you can carry the ball forward in your hands in both. But other than that, that's about the extent of the similarities. Trying to compare Rugby to American Football doesn't really help someone understand rugby better. No armor. No passing forward . No interference (blocking tackles). No shoulder charging or tackling without trying to hold the player. No special teams or switching defense and offensive teams. No downs or stopages in general play. Your best bet is watching a YouTube video that tries to explain rugby union rules than trying to compare it to American Football.
There's loads of stoppages in play, scrums are basically downs.
No matter how many times I watch rugby with Americans the thing they're nearly always surprised most about is the team that concedes a score takes the kick off to restart the game. Which makes complete sense but is the opposite in American football where it's a much bigger deal to 'receive' the kick off
So it's like Make It Take It basketball.
I never have any idea what’s going on in American football either
American football had the same rules at some point, and in fact, those are the current rules for anyone who isn’t the quarterback. The existence of the quarterback is singularly what causes American football to be so absurdly different from the rest of them.
Well, and the line of scrimmage is also a huge distinction that fundamentally changes the flow compared to rugby
If you have the ball run with ball until you get past the post put ball on the ground don't get tackled. If you don't have the ball tackle the person who does Don't pass forward Don't tackle above the shoulders
Its pretty simple actually. To put it at its most basic, team with the rugby forms a line and tries to advance, but they cant pass forward while the other team tries to stop the offensive team by tackling the guy with the ball and gaining it back.
This is the longest i’ve ever watched a rugby match
Pass back, run forward
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Yes, but it was fairly close. There must be so much adrenaline at that point, but God, just ground the damn ball squarely. If you dropped it after all that you’d never be able to look yourself in the mirror again.
That's what I thought lol
Yep you can see it better in the full footage not this tiktok shit edit
That’s what I was thinking. Imagine doing all that and you don’t ground the ball. Close call!
Yes
That big mofo is fast and talented.
He’s not one of the big players, he’s a wing weighing 95kg- about 210 lbs. There will be players on the field a third as heavy again. Stade Français has a couple over 135kgs.
i don't think he meant big relative to the average rugby player mate
135 kgs isn't big. There will be planets in the galaxy a third as heavy again. Our solar system has a couple over 5.683 x 10²⁶ kgs.
What the actual fuck? Insane.
Im a stupid Chinese and I have no idea about the rules in rugby. I only know a little bit american football. Can someone fill me in why he runs to the goal then self pass?
He was running back towards his own team’s goal line when he caught the ball, so he continued around behind his own goal posts to evade the other team’s attackers. Then he cut back into the field of play. He saw that the attackers were closing in on him, so he kicked the ball ahead a short distance (you can’t throw it forward but you can kick it forward). Now he doesn’t have the ball so none of the other team are allowed to tackle or impede him. They can only try and get to the ball before him. He uses his superior speed to get to the bouncing ball first and regather it with his hands. All good as long as he doesn’t drop it. From there, he just uses pure speed and strength to evade defenders and reach the opposition goal line to place the ball on the ground for a “try” worth 5 points. He ran cross-field as close as he could to the goal posts because after a “try” is scored, the scoring team gets to attempt a kicked “conversion” through the goalposts worth an extra two points. The kick must be taken from a point in line with place where the “try” was scored, so getting close to the posts makes the kick easier to get through the posts above the crossbar.
One of the most succinctly written descriptions of play that I've ever read. Well done.
This comment with the clip has seriously peaked my interest in Rugby. Off to do my research before finding my team
Piqued
There's a Netflix serie about rugby
Probably the best place to start and I'm definitely not biased as an Irishman.
Do some research on national teams and which ones have been good/powerhouses in the past. Once you have some basic knowledge on that you'll have the context to understand most international games. Then watch [2015 RWC: RSA vs JPN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFy1r3nu-mU) for one of the greatest matches ever played. It literally has an anime plotline and there was even a movie made about this match.
In rugby you’re only allowed to pass the ball backwards with the exception for kicks which can be used to move the ball forward, ~~though it’s only allowed to bounce once before becoming ’knock on’ which then grants possession to the opposing team.~~ (got this last bit wrong, been a good few years since I played in my school days 😅) In the clip shown, the white team kick the ball forward to apply pressure on the pink team and potentially score a try, however, the pink player catches us and builds his momentum by running through his own try line. And a try (score) is only awarded if the ball makes contact with the ground while still in contact with a player. After circling around, the pink player does a small kick into an open part of the field to make progress up the field while avoiding his opponent’s. Successfully recovers the ball and evades incoming tackles with good movement and makes a break for the other end of the field where he touches the ball down under the posts. Part of the reason to place it closer to the centre is to make the conversion kick afterwards easier.
Pretty much correct. Just one thing, when you kick the ball forward with the aim of chasing it, the ball can bounce any number of times before being regathered. It’s just that the ball is oval and can bounce unpredictably so it is usually best to get it after the first favourable bounce. There is a technique called a “grubber” where you kick the ball along the ground end over end. Eventually the ovalness of the ball causes it to pop back up into the air where you can catch it again easily.
>kicks which can be used to move the ball forward, though it’s only allowed to bounce once before becoming ’knock on’ Completely false
He runs backwards a bit just to give himself some more space. The kick is called a chip and chase, the opposition players can't interfere with him whilst he doesn't have the ball so it allows him to run through and regather the ball
Who is he?
Peniasi Dakuwaqa
Gesundheit.
Yes, and the team he’s playing for is Stade Français Paris
of Fiji.
Thought that was Addo Carr lol
He is him
Capri Sun, can’t you read his jersey? /s
A rugby player
For any Americans wondering, in rugby you don't score until you have touched the ball to the ground. Then there is a kick conversion for 2 more points. The kick comes from inline from where the ball was grounded. So that's why after entering the 'end zone' he runs towards the middle before touching the ball down.
There was a kick returner/wide receiver from the UK who kept doing that (running towards the middle) in the NFL. Old habits die hard.
I've always thought it was ironic that the American "touchdown" does not require a *touch down* like Rugby. I enjoy both sports and I like to compare and contrast
Didn't he knock it on when collecting his own pass?
He can knock the ball forward as long as the ball doesn't touch another player or the ground before he regathers.
Look at his quads. I wouldn't jump in front of that train either...
Feast your eyes, [the Tuilagi brothers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rp0On3aPwU), a family purely bred to play rugby.
God When Designing Their Genetics: “I wonder what would happen if I made people shaped like actual 1950 comic book super heroes….” (No neck, thick jawline, impossibly narrow shoulder/hip/waist/ass ratios, just absolutely jacked)
I don't envy their mother, having to feed all six of her behemoths... She must have been buying chicken breasts by the pallet
... and with 1 short clip on reddit, I am very interested In rugby No "stop the game for a reset" when ball hits ground? :D
If you are interested in more visit r/rugbyunion currently in the middle of the northern hemisphere season and towards the beginning of the southern hemisphere season. There is also the six nations championship ongoing at the moment contested between England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France & Italy
The speed on him considering his size is pretty mind blowing
The size to speed ratio of elite rugby players is insane. Yesterday, in the Six Nations (an annual rugby union competition between England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy) a Scottish player called Duhan van der Merwe beasted England, scoring three tries. His second try involved him running about half the length of the pitch at crazy speed. He weighs 106kg and yet has incredible pace. If you Google him, you’ll see that he basically looks like an IRL chad meme incarnate.
He'd probably be considered one of the smaller ones. Jonah Lomu used to do that and weighed something like 110-120kg, man could outpace most of the other team and ran through anyone in his way.
> Jonah Lomu I still go rewatch that clip of him running over England sometimes, it fills me with joy.
Rugby > Football (American or Global)
Much better than American football change my mind
It’s impossible to change your mind 😂
I love the Barbie aesthetic of their strips
nice try
Assuming Union?
Yes - the 14 on the back indicates a winger (fastest players on the team).
Made it look like a sevens play though
Rugby > American Football
Pure brilliance
I don't really understand what happened or why, but it was pretty cool
Fijians, man… what are you going to do?
If any Americans are super interested your domestic pro competition Major League Rugby kicks off next week. Join us at r/MLRugby too!
That's fuckin cooked man. Dude knew he had it like half way through. What a crazy good play.
Terrible defending
Actualy quite a good one remember they cant takle him if he dosen't have the ball and he is very very fast you should see how fast some player are