If you have kids or plan to be around kids, it's worth looking into child / infant CPR classes as well. Along a similar vein is https://www.stopthebleed.org/. It's better to have life saving skills and not need them than to need them and not have them.
I saw a hockey player get knocked out in a fight and his helmet-less head hit the ice. The linesman, who was/is a doctor, immediately threw off his own helmet and tended to the player. I knew it was a dire situation the moment I saw the guy he fought motion over to our bench for the training staff. With how long he was motionless on the ice, it crossed my mind that we might have lost him.
We ultimately resumed the game after an hour or so delay.
The player made a full recovery and still plays for that team.
It's much more common in youth sports and even up in college sports. There are some cardiac conditions that people don't know they have until in the middle of a high adrenaline game their heart just stops or goes into a deadly arrhythmia. You don't usually see this in the pros because they have gone through a ton of medical clearance by the point they start in the NFL. This is that extremely rare case, probably commotio cordis from the blunt force in the chest at exactly the right millisecond, that you see in a pro level sport.
I've seen that. But there is also idiopathic myocarditis, Marfan syndrome (more common in basketball players because it also generally makes people tall), and long QT. I have seen a few with Brugada syndrome, and the. Some with some really rare coronary artery anatomy (like if the ventricles squeezed hard enough on a slow rhythm, it would cut off temporary circulation down the LAD). Of course, just thinking of sports... Use of anabolic steroids can cause heart structural damage. I don't think that was the reason for this incident, but it is a reason in other situations.
So they do screen for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, but there are other things that they don't screen for. And usually they only do the full screen (EKG, echo, maybe angiogram) if there are noticeable symptoms, which sometimes gets missed.
It happens to a handful of players each year. It’s been a bit since I checked, but I seem to remember 3-5 reported cases a year from all levels, with a death ever other year.
When I was a ref our association made us take CPR/AED classes and we had to check to make sure there was an AED at the field before we were allowed to start games
To piggyback off this, I work EMS and we have an extensive AED loan program for local teams. A lot of ambulance agencies offer it, so check with them if you're a coach and don't know where to find one.
We discovered that the AED at the local school was in the nurses office, which was fine during normal school hours but that meant it was locked up on nights and weekends.
Portable AEDs can be purchased for less than $1,000, often around $500... Don't think I can link items in this sub but for sure worth an investment to feel good about family safety, keep it charged and take it with you in your vehicle.
Seconded. I used to work in gun violence prevention and have seen those trainings a number of times. Terrible that we need to have them, wonderful that we have a great program for it.
Even if you don't live somewhere with a lot of violence, injuries happen and knowing what to do can easy stop a bad situation from getting worse a lot of the time. It doesn't have to be a shooting or stabbing. It could be a car crash, an elderly person falling, an ice skate slicing someone, etc.
I always tell the parents of NICU babies I take care of to learn infant CPR and to have anyone else taking care of the baby to learn infant CPR. It’s very easy to learn. And compressing a baby doesn’t take a ton of physical strength.
Time is tissue. Ambulances take time to get to homes. It takes time to drive to a hospital. Even if you’re not doing it 100% right, administering CPR in the appropriate situation can often be the difference between life and death.
Please, if your kids love sports, if you volunteer to coach, take the time for child CPR training.
Its an intersection between when underlying cardiac issues might emerge for the child, and you-- good person who knows general cpr and wants to help-- are so much stronger than their rib cage is. I did it once, briefly thankfully-- they feel like bird bones under your hands and you have the adrenaline of the most terrifying moment of your life.
My partner and I are expecting our first child in a few months. I’m CPR certified, he’s not. We both just signed up for an infant CPR class for this weekend after watching all of this happen tonight.
The course I took, I guess because I’d be working with kids, had full training for Adult, Child, and Infant CPR. That shit got embedded in my brain fast as hell
> I feel like we should pin this. Important information saves lives.
It should be stated that if you are performing CPR, you will be hurting the person you are saving, it is going to happen. The damage you cause could potentially save a life though.
This will make people uncomfortable right now but it's important to know. If you're performing CPR, the person is dead. Hurting but alive is better than the alternative.
That fucking Boston Med commercial that felt like it ran all summer “I can’t believe I broke a kids ribs!” No one with an MD would ever fucking say that. No one that’s taken a CPR course would say that.
Fortunately I haven't been in a position where I had to use what I learned. The only time I was present when someone needed assistance there was a paramedic present, too and my job was calling 911 while they did the hard work.
Currently in EMT school, had a doctor relative gushing over my decision and how important “quality CPR and compressions are” and now I’m like shit she wants me cracking bones
Doctor here. A better way to reframe it is that the person, by definition, is already dead. You can't make them more dead by doing CPR.
Also want to add that CPR in the field only has ~10-20% success rate even in trained professionals. If you are in a situation where you are giving CPR, *it is not your fault* if you cannot resuscitate them
ICU nurse, yes, ribs break more often than not in adults. Young adults are less likely and I've never done CPR on a kid who had broken ribs after, kids and young adults are more bendy
I had CPR at 35 and was technically dead for 8 minutes (woke up 8 days later on a BiVad), thankfully I lived and no broken ribs. Though the amount of pain meds I was on at the moment I might not have realized it.
I was fortunate enough to be at the hospital when I crashed. A lot of other people aren't that lucky.
I am so glad you are still here! Amazing story.
Typically the broken ribs aren't straight up broken in half, more like they are cracked. And there's nothing to do for broken ribs that aren't displaced, so it's possible you did and it all just hurt so bad you didn't know!
>I am so glad you are still here! Amazing story.
Thank you :). I am too.
To me the story is just me and surreal. But according to some of the cardio doctors I'm some what of an oddity.
And with CPR, you’re supposed to hurt them. My father had a heart attack severe enough that only 3% of people survive that kind of event and his boss actually saved his life doing CPR. His boss was worried that he was hurting my dad and breaking his ribs but the paramedics said that if you’re hurting him, you’re doing it right.
Here is a link to the [Disque Foundation Free CPR course](https://disquefoundation.org/cpr-first-aid-aed-certification-renewal/) that they are offering right now (normally $59).
Few disclaimers:
1. This course is CME (Continuing Medical Education) certified but not AHA (American Heart Association) approved. Just because it’s not an “official” certification, it is still comprehensive and very worthwhile.
2. Taking a fully online CPR course doesn’t give you the hands-on experience to provide CPR confidently. This is a great refresher course but obviously any in-person class is top tier.
Wherever you work, you should know exactly where the AEDs are located.
I used to teach CPR and one of the first things I would do is ask for someone to bring me the AED and we'd time it. It usually hit home for people after that.
Yep. Far more useful and likely to succeed than CPR, which has a very low chance of success. The proliferation of AED devices over the past couple decades is a very good thing. Keep em coming.
A cousin of mine was a State Trooper on a medevac detail. He died in a crash and his mother has made it her life's mission to get AEDs into every public space she can, in his memory. It's pretty honorable.
Sorry about your cousin, that's exceptional on your mother's part. I'm from a medical family and while I'm not in the industry, I do the same as you, I took note of the AEDs in every building I had class in while I was in college.
I used to work at an office where something similar happened.
The aftermath was that everyone working there (including myself) was taught in CPR & AED training. It could have saved this young father's life.
I was recently on a cruise. We took an approved cruise excursion to a beach in Jamaica. While there, a passenger collapsed. He was dragged from the water and given CPR by other passengers for over 25 minutes. The “resort” didn’t have an AED. The “lifeguards” didn’t know CPR. Eventually an employee pulled his hatchback around and they threw the old guy in the back and drove off, his feet dangling out the back. He ended up dying.
Gave me a greater appreciation for how important AEDs, CPR knowledge, and first world medical infrastructure is.
Yep I should really brush up on how to use the AED and do CPR again but one thing I remember from high school is avoiding bystander syndrome by taking charge and pointing at specific people to do things.
You can do it online- though hands on is better. If nothing else, just start pumping. You should be pushing hard and fast. Something is better than nothing. When you initially start it you might feel crunching/cracking/popping from breaking ribs/sternum… don’t stop!
Yep, single out people to do a job and it’ll get done.
“Someone call 911” is a great way for nobody to call 911
“YOU (point at the person) call 911”
“YOU get the AED”
It’s usually one of the first things I look for when I go to an establishment. It always upsets me when if a place doesn’t have one especially if the clientele is older.
That was one of the things my lifeguard training ingrained in my head. I work in a school and volunteer with some athletic programs and every time we have a game on the road I look for the AEDs in the other schools, even though I know they have their own people there it is still important to me to locate the devices.
It honestly doesn't have the best success rate, but the key is to start quickly after cardiac arrest starts, and that the patient is young and strong enough to recover.
This is the exact situation CPR has the best chances of helping.
Yeah, CPR has a low success rate, but low is better than 0. It doesn’t save every life, but it *can* safe a life, so it’s still a powerful thing to know.
Edit to add: most CPR training includes AED training now, too.
Also, interested folks should look for an adult and infant CPR/AED/First Aid class if you can. It’s all valuable. I haven’t used CPR but have done a choking save (Heimlich maneuver). It’s very different for adults vs. babies.
Yeah. Witnessed arrest is much better for outcomes than unwitnessed. You start high quality CPR right away and you have a good shot.
If Hamlin had some sort of Arrhythmia, there's a very good chance he's gonna be okay.
Success rates are better when cpr is started immediately. 911 called immediately. AED available. And there’s more people around to switch off compressions
Compressions are the most important part of this whole thing and they are exhausting especially on a big dude like an NFL player. And after two minutes you’re too tired and your compressions suck. You need relief.
I work as a medic and we professionals are required to switch compressions every two minutes if available.
In this situation it looks like Commotio cordis. His chest was hit so hard his heart he went into Vfib. Basically the heart was twitching and not doing anything of value. The AED in this scenario was key. The only thing that’s really going to fix Vfib is defibrillating. Restarting the hearts electricity.
Compressions still take priority over anything else when necessary because blood needs to be pumped to the brain. But with all the people available the AED was absolutely necessary ASAP to shock the heart.
This was honestly the best place for a stopped heart for resuscitation to be successful. Witnessed arrest With two teams worth of trainers and even some medical staff. AEDs available. An EMS crew on site to start ACLS treatments much quicker.
Different context but if he isn't breathing on his own then he is very likely intubated. It's too unstable and inconsistent to continue to bag them for oxygen.
Source: I'm a respiratory therapist
If you have a baby learn infant CPR.
My wife recently had to use it.
https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/child-baby-cpr#:~:text=For%20a%20baby%2C%20place%20both,100%20to%20120%20per%20minute
I just had to renew my CPR certification for work, and honestly didn’t really pay as much attention to the infant section like I should have. I’m a sports PT, so the youngest patient I deal with is 14.
But my wife and I talked about trying for our first this year, and your comment really drove it home for me. I’m gonna go back and refresh all of that material soon.
I’m glad your daughter is doing well. Scary stuff as a parent.
I shrugged it off. Feel like shit about it. Highly recommend it. My wife went to the course 4 times. I'm glad I married a smart woman. Already booked a class this weekend.
I’m a paramedic and if anyone has any questions I’ll be happy to help! CPR isn’t as complicated as many people think but there are a few important things to know other than push on the chest and giving air!
Hope that guy is okay, injury looked terrifying. Hate seeing that shit so much.
Just want to make sure I understand clearly. Administer CPR when someone has no pulse and isn’t breathing correct? What if someone is breathing but has no pulse? And what if someone has a pulse but isn’t breathing? Does it go to only compressions or only rescue breaths?
Do they teach CPR for non-optimal positions? The only time I’ve had to do it the car was on its drivers side and 911 had me give her chest compressions against the seat while I was hanging upside down from the passenger side. It sucked and I was unsuccessful. It turned out she snapped her neck in the crash so I never had a chance anyway but it was one of the most difficult things I’ve ever done.
Blunt arrest with no signs of life on arrival shouldn't have CPR, but I don't expect 911 to know that.
They don't teach it, but you do what you can do. As long as you compressions the chest 2 inches at a rate of 120/ min, it should work
Put the patient on solid, flat ground. If you are initiating CPR, it’s because they are dead. You shouldn’t worry about further injuring them by moving them. I mean be reasonably careful, but compressions in non-optimal positions are usually useless, so you gotta move them.
I did as told. It was not my call and I was told to not move her. Also extraction from a smashed up car on its side that was on fire at one point(the house she crashed into had a fire extinguisher and we put it out before I got in the car) is easier said than done
Agonal breathing is worth mentioning.
People can be dead and have nervous system “guppy” breaths which is a brain stem reflex i believe
Cpr is still indicated in this case
No pulse - do CPR immediately, go for 2 minutes then check for a pulse and repeat. Give rescue breaths if you feel comfortable doing so, which I would imagine you would if it’s a friend or family member. 30 compressions - 2 breaths - repeat.
If you don’t have a pulse, there won’t be any breathing. So you don’t have to worry about the breathing but no pulse issue.
If someone has a pulse and isn’t breathing, all you can do at home is rescue breaths. Go for 1 breath every 5-6 seconds. Make sure you tilt their head back and lift their chin a bit to open the airway. Call an ambulance immediately as they have better ways to administer oxygen, which in the case of no breathing is by using a BVM. They can also keep his airway open using certain devices as well. You’ll notice someone isn’t getting enjoy oxygen if their lips and tongue are a little blue, pale skin, drowsiness, and obvious signs like gasping for air.
This is good info on the CPR but outdated. AHA now recommends for untrained bystanders continuous CPR until EMS arrives. Only stop for an AED analysis or shock. Just keep pumping.
This. Chest compressions! chest compressions! chest compressions, for as long as you can, or until someone takes over care. You will get tired, if you have another person with you who can also do compressions, switch out every couple minutes so you don't lose a 100bpm rhythm.
If an AED is available designate someone to get it. The AED kit will have everything you need. Have someone else hook up the AED while you're administering chest compressions if possible.
#IMPORTANT: For the AED to work properly (or at all) the patient must have all clothing on their upper body removed and body hair removed (every AED I've ever seen comes with a razor or two) yes you'll have to take off a woman's bra, or shave a man's chest/stomach.
The AED will automatically begin to measure sinus rhythm once it's hooked up properly and powered on, KEEP UP THE CHEST COMPRESSIONS DURING THIS PROCESS. If the AED detects that a shock is needed it will alert you to stop compressions and will administer ONE shock of 150(ish) joules. The AED will then basically start over and begin measuring for sinus rhythm again. It will then administer more shocks, or advise you to continue chest compressions, UNLESS the AED detects a normal rhythm (not all that uncommon if used quickly) in which case it will instruct you to move the patient into a recovery position and make sure their airway is clear.
Hopefully this helps some people.
Iirc there's a "residual reserve volume" of air still in the lungs at all times, so cpr is worth doing even if it's only you, and you can't give breaths. I was taught cpr is more important than giving breaths and not to alternate between them (again, if it's just you there to help).
You got the professional rescuer answer but I just want to chime in with the "lay rescuer" answer. This is how we train everyday people who are not medical professionals.
We do not want you to check for a pulse. For an average person, you're more likely to think you feel a pulse when it's not actually there or even feel your own. Skip this.
Steps: Check for responsiveness. No response? Check for breathing. If they're not breathing, call 911, ask somebody to bring the AED (If available), start compressions. If they don't respond to your first compression, you have no reason to stop. If your alone and know where an AED is, go get it and use it asap. 911, AED, CPR is the order of importance.
They used to teach to do compressions to the rhythm of Stayin Alive by the Beegees. That still true or is it something else now? Vaguely remember being told recently that they teach it differently now
Nah man that works great, but it reminds me of Michael Scott from the office so every time I did compressions and thought about that I’d laugh to myself, just can’t laugh out loud as family members of the deceased don’t appreciate that
There's a number of songs they teach it to. You just want to target 100-120 beats per minute. I'm an ER/sports medicine doctor and I still play Stayin' Alive in my head when I do compressions until I get equipment hooked up.
I remember that rescue breaths were removed when doing CPR solo as a non-medical professional. Are the rescue breaths back in, or are chest compressions still the priority?
EDIT: You already answered someone else with the same question. Thanks. <3
Is the hand only CPR really better, or is that more to avoid other complications from inexperienced people? I learned 15 years ago and learned to clear airway and do the breathing.
For the layperson, compressions are way WAY more critical than ventilations.
When your heart stops beating you STILL have oxygen in your blood, so it’s paramount to initiate compressions first and then worry about ventilating later
A friend gave his wife CPR for 15 minutes when she had a cardiac event until paramedics arrived. Fifteen. Minutes. She survived and is 100% normal. Absolute hero in every sense of the word.
CPR saves lives. Take a class.
i know this is sensitive, but CPR just very rarely works. I hope you don't blame yourself. Even if you had known, it almost certainly wouldn't have changed anything. You didn't do anything wrong.
We had to do it to a guy at work after he got hung up in an electrical panel. 4 of us trading out for almost 90 minutes until life flight got there. Most certainly saved his life. Don’t be discouraged to administer it. Most if not all states have a Good Samaritan law that protects you against lawsuits and stuff
It's not CPR related, but [here](https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive) is apparently an old GoFundMe for Chasing M's Foundation, which apparently was created by Damar in 2020. A bunch of people have already started donating in the past half hour.
I don't know what the right thing for us to do now is, but some may find comfort in donating to his foundation so I wanted to link it here.
I just looked and it had $31k with 2.8k donors. I refreshed and it was at $75k with 3.3k. Wow.
Edit: $125k with 5k donation. This is unbelievable. I hope he gets to see this money put to good use.
Currently reaching $200k. 8k donors.
I hope this gets people to do more than open their pocket books.
High quality compressions started ASAP provides the highest chance of survival. Go learn it.
CPR needs to be a known skill by so many more people. The ability of being able to provide adequate CPR is literally the difference of life and death in so many situations. You never know when that situation will be out on you. Better to know than to not
I am not a medic or in the medical field. I have saved 2 peoples lives with CPR, one of which I had to hit with the AED we had at my gym. The only advice I have is that if u question whether or not it’s time to start CPR it is absolutely time to start CPR. It’s such a strange moment and feels very wrong and weird to be doing, but when that moment comes u have to step up. The first time I desperately wanted somebody else to step up and do what was necessary, but it fell to me and I acted. Shit is scary, but you’ll know what to do when the moment comes with just a bit of training.
My family has a long history of heart attacks. It never waits for the best moment. One well educated family member, friend, or stranger can make the difference between life and death
I thought if I ever had to use it it would be in the medical field. Instead I used it outside a hardware store 2 months ago. So glad I had the knowledge to help a stranger.
Even if you’re not CPR certified if you have an unconscious person in front of you just push on their chest like you see in the movies. There effectively dead if you don’t do anything. If they do have a pulse then the pain will wake them up. Good samaritan laws will protect you in case you’re worried about assault charges.
Also, 911 is your lifeline. Many jurisdictions have dispatch centers that provide guidance in how to CPR over the phone. Also, download PulsePoint for how to do hands-only CPR. That way, you have it in an instant.
My CPR license was actually expiring next month and I wasn't sure about re-upping it. I'm a pharmacy tech and I got my license a few years ago when I became licensed to give immunizations.
Thankfully I've never had to use what I learned but this kind of jolted me into making sure I get my license renewed.
As a former lifeguard for 5 years I always carry a cpr mask in my purse. Health education classes should have a cpr lesson required in it. Like every second counts.
My friend died of a heart attack in an indoor soccer game and no one around was able to administer sufficient CPR in the facility, even if anyone there was capable they were too scared in the moment. Ambulance was called he was taken but i bet if someone knew CPR and could administer he'd still be alive.
I worked EMS for years before becoming an RN. Town I worked for had a program teaching CPR/AED to everyone in the school district. It made a lot of people uncomfortable but we stressed how much a difference maker this knowledge can be. We were a well run system, but the realities of EMS are frightening when you break it down. This is what we would tell everyone we taught,
“In our system, which is staffed by paid employees 24/7, when you call 911 for an ambulance there is a 50% chance the crew is already out on another call. That’s the reality of EMS today. But let’s say it’s not your typical day and we are readily available for a call. Someone drops in front of you. You call 911. Let’s say you aren’t panicked and are able to calmly answer the questions asked by dispatch and get information to them in a quick efficient manor. That is still, likely, 2-3 minutes minimum for that information to be toned out to us to be dispatched. Then we have 1 minute to get to our truck, and be out of our garage. From there, even with lights and sirens, it can be anywhere from 2-10+ minutes to arrive on scene. And that’s just pulling up to the scene. From there we need our stretcher, LUCAS, AED, BLS and ALS bags, and then to get to the patient. Depending on the situation that can be several minutes. Even if everything goes 100% best case scenario, it can be anywhere from 5-10 minutes minimum for us to get to the patient. Those minutes can be the difference. Bystander CPR is one of the most important things someone can learn.”
You should also know that when in doubt, get an AED. Most(or all) AEDs that are out for public use will only work if the person has a shockable rhythm.
(This is according to several depositions I’ve read re: emergency AED use - I don’t have any personal experience.)
ALL AEDs that are found in public are designed to be used by lay persons and cannot be overridden no matter how much you'd like to. They're designed so somebody who has never even seen one can figure out how to use it. The AED will decide if the victim has a shockable rythym and if a shock is advised. Even a doctor or paramedic cannot make an AED shock somebody manually. The manual defibrillators carried by EMTs are a different story. But if you grab the AED at Target, Home Depot or the airport, turn it on, place the pads as directed and listen for instructions. You literally can't hurt somebody with an AED. (Unless you use it as a weapon)
BLS is very important, time is tissue. If someone goes down and doesn’t have a pulse and all you know what to do is pump on someone’s chest—call 911 and start pumping at least 100-120 beats per minute or to the tune of “Staying Alive”.
Make sure you take an actual class. Get certified. Learn basic first aid and trauma care. Keep a kit in your vehicle. I've managed to use mine twice (for not life threatening events).
It can save someones life, but you need to do it properly.
Chest compressions are waaaaay more important than breathing into an airway. Just a word of advice for those who may have to experience someone suffering from cardiac arrest. An AED is still the best option and you can purchase them for a very reasonable cost even without any official training.
It's easy to learn.
It may save the life of someone you love.
It may save the life of a complete stranger.
If you have the opportunity, take the class.
Thank you. I have never really had any first aid training but this is a chilling reminder of how important it is for everyone to be trained in first aid
My mother in law saved my father in laws life by doing CPR by herself for 10 minutes until paramedics showed up, she is the only reason he wasn’t dead by the time they arrived. Even if you are unable to revive the person yourself, CPR can be the difference between life or death.
Thanks for the resources. I'm an ER nurse so deal with CPR and these kind of situations regularly. One of the best determinants of outcome in cardiac arrest is how quickly CPR is started. Learning how to administer cpr and use an aed can save a life. That's not hyperbole. It's scientific fact.
About 20 states require CPR training in schools. All different laws and requirements. But Texas, for example, requires kids to be trained prior to graduating. The issue is the enforcement is weak. Some schools get away with just "training" hundreds of kids at once in an auditorium and marking it complete.
I am CPR certified. I was in a situation when I was expected to use that skill. I could tell the person was already dead but it made me think if I would be capable of doing it on a person that was still alive. Its really tough. Maybe I could do it with more training and now after being in that situation I could probably do it but the first time I was encountered it I completely froze.
The PulsePoint App will allow the layperson to receive notice that CPR is needed in real time at their location. EMT use this same database but sometimes a citizen can arrive faster, and in CPR seconds count. Hands-only CPR is considered effective for the layperson; lives are saved using it.
[PulsePoint App](https://www.pulsepoint.org/pulsepoint-respond)
For those commenting on having an AED, please make sure it is registered with the county (either local EMS, fire department, or Public Health dept.) where it’s located. Many dispatch centers are able to direct callers to where the closest AED is located. If they don’t know it’s there, they can’t inform people.
Google your county and “register AED” to find out how to register it.
Also remember to check your battery and gel pad expiration. Philips recently had a gel pad recall and make sure yours wasn’t recalled.
It is absolute horseshit that every middle schooler through high schooler does not get taught basic first aid - CPR, rescue breathing, bleeding control, and the himlich at a minimum - every year as part of the regular curriculum.
Absolutely. CPR saves lives and everyone should learn it at least once and ideally should get a refresher every couple years so the muscle memory kicks in when it's required.
I had to use CPR like 2 months ago at work. Guy dropped. No one was doing CPR even though there were lots trying to help. You never know when you'll need it. I'm glad I was able to try to help give the guy a chance. It could be family a friend or a stranger but you want to know what to do.
Since this has so many eyes on it, is it possible to take either a private first aid course (1on1) or at least any cpr portion privately? (In Canada for reference)
I had to do cpr alone on a loved one as a child 20 years ago, who was already gone the moment they hit the ground. Understandably a very traumatic ordeal I still carry with me every day. I desperately want to know how to do it properly, and to be able to complete a first aid certification for work etc , but I genuinely do not how I will react to the cpr portion, as it’s something I have gone out of way to avoid to this point
I would recommend reaching out to your local red cross. I’m sure if you explained the situation they could work something out. Many classes also aren’t super crowded (5-10 people)
I was trained in CPR in 2012 because I’m a triathlete and swimming deaths are common. That year I used CPR to save a 5-year old boy and a 14-year old girl. Without that training they would have died.
Get the training at least once. Learn what to do.
To add on, if you're AB+ blood type look into platelet and/or platelet/plasma donation. We're the universal platelet donor for that and there are only ~3% of us compared to ~7% for O- (universal blood donor).
In high school when learning about CPR I was told to find the notch at the bottom of the sternum and put your palm right under that for the compressions.
This is horrible, this is so much bigger than football.
Everyone please share Hamlin’s toy drive fundraiser
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-driver
Work offered an opportunity for us to get certified for CPR as well as for operating an AED. was super super helpful but also pretty crazy how much legal gymnastics the trainers have to go through. specifically told me I'm not allowed to use an AED on more than one person. I asked what am i supposed to do if there's a mass shooting or something... from him I got "who owes you the most money?"
reason seemed to not be because of any technical reasons other than legal liability
Worth the extra few bucks on Red Cross’ site for AED training. I teach group fitness and have to have my CPR cert current, but AED is potentially so much more valuable, as those machines take a lot of the uncertainty out of an event. They tell you literally what to do step by step so you give someone the best possible chance.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pulsepoint-respond/id500772134
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.firedepartment
IoS and Android apps that allow you to find the nearest AED.
Not only learn CPR but RENEW IT!!
So many studies show that skills are lost with time. You aren’t going to be doing CPR regularly unless you work in EMS, in an emergency department or ICU. As annoying as it is, those renewal classes improve the quality of CPR which is by far the most important thing you can do to improve not only chances of survival but chances of neurologic recovery as well. Even the techs at my hospital need their technique tweaked because they don’t allow for chest recoil or compress too fast. Learning it once is not enough.
I worked for 3 summers as a lifeguard and I've had to recertify multiple times for my different jobs. Fortunately I have never had to use my CPR/AED training, but I thought I understood the importance of it.
Last month I was at a high school basketball game where one of the referees experienced a cardiac event in the midst of the game. I was on the opposite side of the gym, and by the time I noticed the school resource officers and someone from the stands had already responded, so I stayed out of the way. But when you actually witness CPR used in a real situation it affects you, in ways you might not expect. I was not prepared for the emotions and feelings that came up in that situation. I don't know if I would have been able to respond or would have frozen in the crisis.
Fortunately in this case the AED resuscitated the man and he was responsive when he got in the ambulance, and last I heard a few days after was recovering at the hospital.
Please, take the training and get certified. You never know when you might find yourself in a situation to save a life.
And if you're the praying sort, don't just be praying for Damar and his family and the Bills. Everyone in that stadium who witnessed the events tonight, they will not be the same person they were six hours ago when they walked in.
Finally some original content on this sub. Every other thread on r/NFL is some dumb twitter repost "omg!! this announcer is so heroic & deserves an award for doing their job on air".
Everyone should look into taking CPR & first aid classes. Good stuff 👍
Also, and I can't stress this enough, learn how to use an AED. The chances of successful CPR improve astronomically when one is used. Those weird paddles could be and have many times been the difference between life and death
If you have kids or plan to be around kids, it's worth looking into child / infant CPR classes as well. Along a similar vein is https://www.stopthebleed.org/. It's better to have life saving skills and not need them than to need them and not have them.
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I saw a hockey player get knocked out in a fight and his helmet-less head hit the ice. The linesman, who was/is a doctor, immediately threw off his own helmet and tended to the player. I knew it was a dire situation the moment I saw the guy he fought motion over to our bench for the training staff. With how long he was motionless on the ice, it crossed my mind that we might have lost him. We ultimately resumed the game after an hour or so delay. The player made a full recovery and still plays for that team.
It's much more common in youth sports and even up in college sports. There are some cardiac conditions that people don't know they have until in the middle of a high adrenaline game their heart just stops or goes into a deadly arrhythmia. You don't usually see this in the pros because they have gone through a ton of medical clearance by the point they start in the NFL. This is that extremely rare case, probably commotio cordis from the blunt force in the chest at exactly the right millisecond, that you see in a pro level sport.
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I've seen that. But there is also idiopathic myocarditis, Marfan syndrome (more common in basketball players because it also generally makes people tall), and long QT. I have seen a few with Brugada syndrome, and the. Some with some really rare coronary artery anatomy (like if the ventricles squeezed hard enough on a slow rhythm, it would cut off temporary circulation down the LAD). Of course, just thinking of sports... Use of anabolic steroids can cause heart structural damage. I don't think that was the reason for this incident, but it is a reason in other situations. So they do screen for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, but there are other things that they don't screen for. And usually they only do the full screen (EKG, echo, maybe angiogram) if there are noticeable symptoms, which sometimes gets missed.
Yeah seconded. Was a lax keeper and saw the opposing keeper go down after a shot to the chest. Defribs saved his life.
Louis Acompora? Edit: Nevermind, you said survived.
It happens to a handful of players each year. It’s been a bit since I checked, but I seem to remember 3-5 reported cases a year from all levels, with a death ever other year. When I was a ref our association made us take CPR/AED classes and we had to check to make sure there was an AED at the field before we were allowed to start games
To piggyback off this, I work EMS and we have an extensive AED loan program for local teams. A lot of ambulance agencies offer it, so check with them if you're a coach and don't know where to find one. We discovered that the AED at the local school was in the nurses office, which was fine during normal school hours but that meant it was locked up on nights and weekends.
Portable AEDs can be purchased for less than $1,000, often around $500... Don't think I can link items in this sub but for sure worth an investment to feel good about family safety, keep it charged and take it with you in your vehicle.
If you have kids, make sure you also have multiple sizes of CPR/Rescue Breath barriers. Smaller masks for small kids and infants may be needed
>Smaller masks for small kids and infants may be needed Fact, smaller size is needed, but in the absence of, normal size will suffice
Very true. Something is always better than nothing
The recommendation is hands only cpr now as non healthcare providers wont know how to properly position an airway to give breaths
Stop the Bleed is fantastic if you take the full class.
Seconded. I used to work in gun violence prevention and have seen those trainings a number of times. Terrible that we need to have them, wonderful that we have a great program for it.
Even if you don't live somewhere with a lot of violence, injuries happen and knowing what to do can easy stop a bad situation from getting worse a lot of the time. It doesn't have to be a shooting or stabbing. It could be a car crash, an elderly person falling, an ice skate slicing someone, etc.
I always tell the parents of NICU babies I take care of to learn infant CPR and to have anyone else taking care of the baby to learn infant CPR. It’s very easy to learn. And compressing a baby doesn’t take a ton of physical strength. Time is tissue. Ambulances take time to get to homes. It takes time to drive to a hospital. Even if you’re not doing it 100% right, administering CPR in the appropriate situation can often be the difference between life and death.
Our NICU discharge came with infant CPR training! Ps thanks for all you do
We offer it as well but some people are all “nah I don’t wanna” which is a bit frustrating. They have to learn in certain situations tho.
Please, if your kids love sports, if you volunteer to coach, take the time for child CPR training. Its an intersection between when underlying cardiac issues might emerge for the child, and you-- good person who knows general cpr and wants to help-- are so much stronger than their rib cage is. I did it once, briefly thankfully-- they feel like bird bones under your hands and you have the adrenaline of the most terrifying moment of your life.
Around kids or in construction. Please please please learn CPR. It’s relatively easy and so important.
My partner and I are expecting our first child in a few months. I’m CPR certified, he’s not. We both just signed up for an infant CPR class for this weekend after watching all of this happen tonight.
The course I took, I guess because I’d be working with kids, had full training for Adult, Child, and Infant CPR. That shit got embedded in my brain fast as hell
Hearing about Jeremy Renner after his neighbor who is a doctor applying a tourniquet to him earlier has really made me want to take both classes
Also many states have Good Samaritan laws that protect you if you hurt the person you are trying to save.
> I feel like we should pin this. Important information saves lives. It should be stated that if you are performing CPR, you will be hurting the person you are saving, it is going to happen. The damage you cause could potentially save a life though.
This will make people uncomfortable right now but it's important to know. If you're performing CPR, the person is dead. Hurting but alive is better than the alternative.
As I was taught "you aren't going to make them worse"
Yep, you will break some ribs. In fact, quality CPR pretty much requires you to press deep enough that it will cause that.
If you keep the blood circulating while an AED is en route to me, you can break as man ribs as you want. I won’t be mad
Yep. Most people don't realize you SHOULD be breaking their ribs if you're doing it correctly.
That fucking Boston Med commercial that felt like it ran all summer “I can’t believe I broke a kids ribs!” No one with an MD would ever fucking say that. No one that’s taken a CPR course would say that.
The CPR courses I've all taken told us to expect that ribs will break.
nothing like feeling your first sternum break lol
Fortunately I haven't been in a position where I had to use what I learned. The only time I was present when someone needed assistance there was a paramedic present, too and my job was calling 911 while they did the hard work.
Currently in EMT school, had a doctor relative gushing over my decision and how important “quality CPR and compressions are” and now I’m like shit she wants me cracking bones
Also: far more people die from people being afraid of making things worse by “helping wrong.” Jump in, act.
Doctor here. A better way to reframe it is that the person, by definition, is already dead. You can't make them more dead by doing CPR. Also want to add that CPR in the field only has ~10-20% success rate even in trained professionals. If you are in a situation where you are giving CPR, *it is not your fault* if you cannot resuscitate them
Having a chest brace to fix a few broken ribs > not being alive
Life over limb. Who cares if you save the leg if the person dies... perform the CPR, save the life
I cracked my first set of ribs recently and it was a horrifying feeling
You should feel and hear ribs cracking if I remember right
ICU nurse, yes, ribs break more often than not in adults. Young adults are less likely and I've never done CPR on a kid who had broken ribs after, kids and young adults are more bendy
I had CPR at 35 and was technically dead for 8 minutes (woke up 8 days later on a BiVad), thankfully I lived and no broken ribs. Though the amount of pain meds I was on at the moment I might not have realized it. I was fortunate enough to be at the hospital when I crashed. A lot of other people aren't that lucky.
I am so glad you are still here! Amazing story. Typically the broken ribs aren't straight up broken in half, more like they are cracked. And there's nothing to do for broken ribs that aren't displaced, so it's possible you did and it all just hurt so bad you didn't know!
>I am so glad you are still here! Amazing story. Thank you :). I am too. To me the story is just me and surreal. But according to some of the cardio doctors I'm some what of an oddity.
Glad you're still with us.
I was told that ribs will crack and that is normal
Yes, but many of those also require you to be CPR and First Aid certified before they apply
Which is essential because you always get some Karen who gave cpr to a heroin user when they definitely did not require it.
And with CPR, you’re supposed to hurt them. My father had a heart attack severe enough that only 3% of people survive that kind of event and his boss actually saved his life doing CPR. His boss was worried that he was hurting my dad and breaking his ribs but the paramedics said that if you’re hurting him, you’re doing it right.
Here is a link to the [Disque Foundation Free CPR course](https://disquefoundation.org/cpr-first-aid-aed-certification-renewal/) that they are offering right now (normally $59). Few disclaimers: 1. This course is CME (Continuing Medical Education) certified but not AHA (American Heart Association) approved. Just because it’s not an “official” certification, it is still comprehensive and very worthwhile. 2. Taking a fully online CPR course doesn’t give you the hands-on experience to provide CPR confidently. This is a great refresher course but obviously any in-person class is top tier.
All 50 states as well as Washington DC have good samaritan laws at this point.
The Good Samaritan Law applies in all 50 states.
You’ll break ribs. It’ll feel icky. Keep going.
Wherever you work, you should know exactly where the AEDs are located. I used to teach CPR and one of the first things I would do is ask for someone to bring me the AED and we'd time it. It usually hit home for people after that.
Yep. Far more useful and likely to succeed than CPR, which has a very low chance of success. The proliferation of AED devices over the past couple decades is a very good thing. Keep em coming.
A cousin of mine was a State Trooper on a medevac detail. He died in a crash and his mother has made it her life's mission to get AEDs into every public space she can, in his memory. It's pretty honorable.
Sorry about your cousin, that's exceptional on your mother's part. I'm from a medical family and while I'm not in the industry, I do the same as you, I took note of the AEDs in every building I had class in while I was in college.
I used to work at an office where something similar happened. The aftermath was that everyone working there (including myself) was taught in CPR & AED training. It could have saved this young father's life.
I was recently on a cruise. We took an approved cruise excursion to a beach in Jamaica. While there, a passenger collapsed. He was dragged from the water and given CPR by other passengers for over 25 minutes. The “resort” didn’t have an AED. The “lifeguards” didn’t know CPR. Eventually an employee pulled his hatchback around and they threw the old guy in the back and drove off, his feet dangling out the back. He ended up dying. Gave me a greater appreciation for how important AEDs, CPR knowledge, and first world medical infrastructure is.
“You go call 911. You go get the AED” While I prefer my ACLS recert classes over BLS… I always think of that. Lol
Yep I should really brush up on how to use the AED and do CPR again but one thing I remember from high school is avoiding bystander syndrome by taking charge and pointing at specific people to do things.
You can do it online- though hands on is better. If nothing else, just start pumping. You should be pushing hard and fast. Something is better than nothing. When you initially start it you might feel crunching/cracking/popping from breaking ribs/sternum… don’t stop!
Yep, single out people to do a job and it’ll get done. “Someone call 911” is a great way for nobody to call 911 “YOU (point at the person) call 911” “YOU get the AED”
It’s usually one of the first things I look for when I go to an establishment. It always upsets me when if a place doesn’t have one especially if the clientele is older.
That was one of the things my lifeguard training ingrained in my head. I work in a school and volunteer with some athletic programs and every time we have a game on the road I look for the AEDs in the other schools, even though I know they have their own people there it is still important to me to locate the devices.
Helped with CPR and an intubation tonight. More people should know CPR.
It honestly doesn't have the best success rate, but the key is to start quickly after cardiac arrest starts, and that the patient is young and strong enough to recover. This is the exact situation CPR has the best chances of helping.
Yeah, CPR has a low success rate, but low is better than 0. It doesn’t save every life, but it *can* safe a life, so it’s still a powerful thing to know. Edit to add: most CPR training includes AED training now, too. Also, interested folks should look for an adult and infant CPR/AED/First Aid class if you can. It’s all valuable. I haven’t used CPR but have done a choking save (Heimlich maneuver). It’s very different for adults vs. babies.
Can’t get any worse if you are already dead… like you said some chance is better than no chance.
Yeah. Witnessed arrest is much better for outcomes than unwitnessed. You start high quality CPR right away and you have a good shot. If Hamlin had some sort of Arrhythmia, there's a very good chance he's gonna be okay.
Success rates are better when cpr is started immediately. 911 called immediately. AED available. And there’s more people around to switch off compressions Compressions are the most important part of this whole thing and they are exhausting especially on a big dude like an NFL player. And after two minutes you’re too tired and your compressions suck. You need relief. I work as a medic and we professionals are required to switch compressions every two minutes if available. In this situation it looks like Commotio cordis. His chest was hit so hard his heart he went into Vfib. Basically the heart was twitching and not doing anything of value. The AED in this scenario was key. The only thing that’s really going to fix Vfib is defibrillating. Restarting the hearts electricity. Compressions still take priority over anything else when necessary because blood needs to be pumped to the brain. But with all the people available the AED was absolutely necessary ASAP to shock the heart. This was honestly the best place for a stopped heart for resuscitation to be successful. Witnessed arrest With two teams worth of trainers and even some medical staff. AEDs available. An EMS crew on site to start ACLS treatments much quicker.
Wait, did they intubate him? I couldn’t quite see. Or are you talking about a different context?
Sounds like a different situation
Different context but if he isn't breathing on his own then he is very likely intubated. It's too unstable and inconsistent to continue to bag them for oxygen. Source: I'm a respiratory therapist
U are doing the good work
If you have a baby learn infant CPR. My wife recently had to use it. https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/child-baby-cpr#:~:text=For%20a%20baby%2C%20place%20both,100%20to%20120%20per%20minute
I’m sorry to hear that. Did the child survive?
Thanks for asking. Yep she's good. Absolutely horrifying because I'm just holding her up looking like an idiot.
I just had to renew my CPR certification for work, and honestly didn’t really pay as much attention to the infant section like I should have. I’m a sports PT, so the youngest patient I deal with is 14. But my wife and I talked about trying for our first this year, and your comment really drove it home for me. I’m gonna go back and refresh all of that material soon. I’m glad your daughter is doing well. Scary stuff as a parent.
I shrugged it off. Feel like shit about it. Highly recommend it. My wife went to the course 4 times. I'm glad I married a smart woman. Already booked a class this weekend.
I’m a paramedic and if anyone has any questions I’ll be happy to help! CPR isn’t as complicated as many people think but there are a few important things to know other than push on the chest and giving air! Hope that guy is okay, injury looked terrifying. Hate seeing that shit so much.
Just want to make sure I understand clearly. Administer CPR when someone has no pulse and isn’t breathing correct? What if someone is breathing but has no pulse? And what if someone has a pulse but isn’t breathing? Does it go to only compressions or only rescue breaths?
Can't breath without a pulse. No pulse = cpr
Do they teach CPR for non-optimal positions? The only time I’ve had to do it the car was on its drivers side and 911 had me give her chest compressions against the seat while I was hanging upside down from the passenger side. It sucked and I was unsuccessful. It turned out she snapped her neck in the crash so I never had a chance anyway but it was one of the most difficult things I’ve ever done.
Blunt arrest with no signs of life on arrival shouldn't have CPR, but I don't expect 911 to know that. They don't teach it, but you do what you can do. As long as you compressions the chest 2 inches at a rate of 120/ min, it should work
Yeah. I just did as told. The ambulance called it on arrival and didn’t proceed
Put the patient on solid, flat ground. If you are initiating CPR, it’s because they are dead. You shouldn’t worry about further injuring them by moving them. I mean be reasonably careful, but compressions in non-optimal positions are usually useless, so you gotta move them.
I did as told. It was not my call and I was told to not move her. Also extraction from a smashed up car on its side that was on fire at one point(the house she crashed into had a fire extinguisher and we put it out before I got in the car) is easier said than done
Well if you can’t, you can’t. But they don’t teach techniques for that kind of thing, you just do your best.
Agonal breathing is worth mentioning. People can be dead and have nervous system “guppy” breaths which is a brain stem reflex i believe Cpr is still indicated in this case
No pulse - do CPR immediately, go for 2 minutes then check for a pulse and repeat. Give rescue breaths if you feel comfortable doing so, which I would imagine you would if it’s a friend or family member. 30 compressions - 2 breaths - repeat. If you don’t have a pulse, there won’t be any breathing. So you don’t have to worry about the breathing but no pulse issue. If someone has a pulse and isn’t breathing, all you can do at home is rescue breaths. Go for 1 breath every 5-6 seconds. Make sure you tilt their head back and lift their chin a bit to open the airway. Call an ambulance immediately as they have better ways to administer oxygen, which in the case of no breathing is by using a BVM. They can also keep his airway open using certain devices as well. You’ll notice someone isn’t getting enjoy oxygen if their lips and tongue are a little blue, pale skin, drowsiness, and obvious signs like gasping for air.
This is good info on the CPR but outdated. AHA now recommends for untrained bystanders continuous CPR until EMS arrives. Only stop for an AED analysis or shock. Just keep pumping.
This. Chest compressions! chest compressions! chest compressions, for as long as you can, or until someone takes over care. You will get tired, if you have another person with you who can also do compressions, switch out every couple minutes so you don't lose a 100bpm rhythm. If an AED is available designate someone to get it. The AED kit will have everything you need. Have someone else hook up the AED while you're administering chest compressions if possible. #IMPORTANT: For the AED to work properly (or at all) the patient must have all clothing on their upper body removed and body hair removed (every AED I've ever seen comes with a razor or two) yes you'll have to take off a woman's bra, or shave a man's chest/stomach. The AED will automatically begin to measure sinus rhythm once it's hooked up properly and powered on, KEEP UP THE CHEST COMPRESSIONS DURING THIS PROCESS. If the AED detects that a shock is needed it will alert you to stop compressions and will administer ONE shock of 150(ish) joules. The AED will then basically start over and begin measuring for sinus rhythm again. It will then administer more shocks, or advise you to continue chest compressions, UNLESS the AED detects a normal rhythm (not all that uncommon if used quickly) in which case it will instruct you to move the patient into a recovery position and make sure their airway is clear. Hopefully this helps some people.
Yeah fair enough sorry I’m just so accustomed to using the AED haha.
Iirc there's a "residual reserve volume" of air still in the lungs at all times, so cpr is worth doing even if it's only you, and you can't give breaths. I was taught cpr is more important than giving breaths and not to alternate between them (again, if it's just you there to help).
You got the professional rescuer answer but I just want to chime in with the "lay rescuer" answer. This is how we train everyday people who are not medical professionals. We do not want you to check for a pulse. For an average person, you're more likely to think you feel a pulse when it's not actually there or even feel your own. Skip this. Steps: Check for responsiveness. No response? Check for breathing. If they're not breathing, call 911, ask somebody to bring the AED (If available), start compressions. If they don't respond to your first compression, you have no reason to stop. If your alone and know where an AED is, go get it and use it asap. 911, AED, CPR is the order of importance.
They used to teach to do compressions to the rhythm of Stayin Alive by the Beegees. That still true or is it something else now? Vaguely remember being told recently that they teach it differently now
That is true. 100-120 beets per minute is the sweet spot.
Thanks Dwight!
Nah man that works great, but it reminds me of Michael Scott from the office so every time I did compressions and thought about that I’d laugh to myself, just can’t laugh out loud as family members of the deceased don’t appreciate that
At first I was afraid…
There's a number of songs they teach it to. You just want to target 100-120 beats per minute. I'm an ER/sports medicine doctor and I still play Stayin' Alive in my head when I do compressions until I get equipment hooked up.
The joke is that "Another One Bites the Dust" is the same tempo.
I remember that rescue breaths were removed when doing CPR solo as a non-medical professional. Are the rescue breaths back in, or are chest compressions still the priority? EDIT: You already answered someone else with the same question. Thanks. <3
Is the hand only CPR really better, or is that more to avoid other complications from inexperienced people? I learned 15 years ago and learned to clear airway and do the breathing.
For the layperson, compressions are way WAY more critical than ventilations. When your heart stops beating you STILL have oxygen in your blood, so it’s paramount to initiate compressions first and then worry about ventilating later
What do ya mean by hand only exactly?
A friend gave his wife CPR for 15 minutes when she had a cardiac event until paramedics arrived. Fifteen. Minutes. She survived and is 100% normal. Absolute hero in every sense of the word. CPR saves lives. Take a class.
I feel like we should pin this. Important information saves lives.
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seconded Any visibility is good visibility
Also a reminder that the red cross has a first aid app which everyone should have on their phone, just in case
Learn how to do it. When my dad died I had to try CPR, and it wasn't successful. I wish I had known how to do it right .
i know this is sensitive, but CPR just very rarely works. I hope you don't blame yourself. Even if you had known, it almost certainly wouldn't have changed anything. You didn't do anything wrong.
We had to do it to a guy at work after he got hung up in an electrical panel. 4 of us trading out for almost 90 minutes until life flight got there. Most certainly saved his life. Don’t be discouraged to administer it. Most if not all states have a Good Samaritan law that protects you against lawsuits and stuff
Thanks for the kind words, friend
My life was saved because of CPR, I had seizure in 2010. My neighbor came over and saved my life before ambulance came
You tried your best, it's all you can do. Hope it doesn't weigh too heavily on you, even the best CPR might not have mattered.
Thank you. Most the time it doesn't, i just try to be positive
Don’t worry bud CPR is rarely successful. You tried and that’s what counts.
Post any resources you recommend below. American Heart Association, American Stroke Association, etc
It's not CPR related, but [here](https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive) is apparently an old GoFundMe for Chasing M's Foundation, which apparently was created by Damar in 2020. A bunch of people have already started donating in the past half hour. I don't know what the right thing for us to do now is, but some may find comfort in donating to his foundation so I wanted to link it here.
I just looked and it had $31k with 2.8k donors. I refreshed and it was at $75k with 3.3k. Wow. Edit: $125k with 5k donation. This is unbelievable. I hope he gets to see this money put to good use.
It was under $5k before tonight
Currently reaching $200k. 8k donors. I hope this gets people to do more than open their pocket books. High quality compressions started ASAP provides the highest chance of survival. Go learn it.
It's over 900k now, going over 1 mil tonight at this rate.
1.5M and climbing. But a gofundme from 2020... is this still "live"?
It sucks that this is what it takes though.
CPR needs to be a known skill by so many more people. The ability of being able to provide adequate CPR is literally the difference of life and death in so many situations. You never know when that situation will be out on you. Better to know than to not
I am not a medic or in the medical field. I have saved 2 peoples lives with CPR, one of which I had to hit with the AED we had at my gym. The only advice I have is that if u question whether or not it’s time to start CPR it is absolutely time to start CPR. It’s such a strange moment and feels very wrong and weird to be doing, but when that moment comes u have to step up. The first time I desperately wanted somebody else to step up and do what was necessary, but it fell to me and I acted. Shit is scary, but you’ll know what to do when the moment comes with just a bit of training.
Doctor here - Look at this shit, you'll probably never have to use it. But this knowledge could save somebody someday
My family has a long history of heart attacks. It never waits for the best moment. One well educated family member, friend, or stranger can make the difference between life and death
Completely agreed
I thought if I ever had to use it it would be in the medical field. Instead I used it outside a hardware store 2 months ago. So glad I had the knowledge to help a stranger.
Was certified when I was a lifeguard, best skill I'm happy I never had to use.
Even if you’re not CPR certified if you have an unconscious person in front of you just push on their chest like you see in the movies. There effectively dead if you don’t do anything. If they do have a pulse then the pain will wake them up. Good samaritan laws will protect you in case you’re worried about assault charges.
Also, 911 is your lifeline. Many jurisdictions have dispatch centers that provide guidance in how to CPR over the phone. Also, download PulsePoint for how to do hands-only CPR. That way, you have it in an instant.
My CPR license was actually expiring next month and I wasn't sure about re-upping it. I'm a pharmacy tech and I got my license a few years ago when I became licensed to give immunizations. Thankfully I've never had to use what I learned but this kind of jolted me into making sure I get my license renewed.
Christian McCaffrey is a top donor to the charity. Love to see the players looking out for each other
I worked for a Cardiac Arrest organization, and the best indicator for survival is bystander intervention. Everyone should learn CPR!
As a former lifeguard for 5 years I always carry a cpr mask in my purse. Health education classes should have a cpr lesson required in it. Like every second counts.
Add hamlin's charity https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive
My friend died of a heart attack in an indoor soccer game and no one around was able to administer sufficient CPR in the facility, even if anyone there was capable they were too scared in the moment. Ambulance was called he was taken but i bet if someone knew CPR and could administer he'd still be alive.
I worked EMS for years before becoming an RN. Town I worked for had a program teaching CPR/AED to everyone in the school district. It made a lot of people uncomfortable but we stressed how much a difference maker this knowledge can be. We were a well run system, but the realities of EMS are frightening when you break it down. This is what we would tell everyone we taught, “In our system, which is staffed by paid employees 24/7, when you call 911 for an ambulance there is a 50% chance the crew is already out on another call. That’s the reality of EMS today. But let’s say it’s not your typical day and we are readily available for a call. Someone drops in front of you. You call 911. Let’s say you aren’t panicked and are able to calmly answer the questions asked by dispatch and get information to them in a quick efficient manor. That is still, likely, 2-3 minutes minimum for that information to be toned out to us to be dispatched. Then we have 1 minute to get to our truck, and be out of our garage. From there, even with lights and sirens, it can be anywhere from 2-10+ minutes to arrive on scene. And that’s just pulling up to the scene. From there we need our stretcher, LUCAS, AED, BLS and ALS bags, and then to get to the patient. Depending on the situation that can be several minutes. Even if everything goes 100% best case scenario, it can be anywhere from 5-10 minutes minimum for us to get to the patient. Those minutes can be the difference. Bystander CPR is one of the most important things someone can learn.”
You should also know that when in doubt, get an AED. Most(or all) AEDs that are out for public use will only work if the person has a shockable rhythm. (This is according to several depositions I’ve read re: emergency AED use - I don’t have any personal experience.)
ALL AEDs that are found in public are designed to be used by lay persons and cannot be overridden no matter how much you'd like to. They're designed so somebody who has never even seen one can figure out how to use it. The AED will decide if the victim has a shockable rythym and if a shock is advised. Even a doctor or paramedic cannot make an AED shock somebody manually. The manual defibrillators carried by EMTs are a different story. But if you grab the AED at Target, Home Depot or the airport, turn it on, place the pads as directed and listen for instructions. You literally can't hurt somebody with an AED. (Unless you use it as a weapon)
BLS is very important, time is tissue. If someone goes down and doesn’t have a pulse and all you know what to do is pump on someone’s chest—call 911 and start pumping at least 100-120 beats per minute or to the tune of “Staying Alive”.
Make sure you take an actual class. Get certified. Learn basic first aid and trauma care. Keep a kit in your vehicle. I've managed to use mine twice (for not life threatening events). It can save someones life, but you need to do it properly.
Chest compressions are waaaaay more important than breathing into an airway. Just a word of advice for those who may have to experience someone suffering from cardiac arrest. An AED is still the best option and you can purchase them for a very reasonable cost even without any official training.
You can get a Philips HeartStart OnSite (HS1) without a prescription.
IIRC there was a version of CPR a number of years ago that was compressions only. But that was done away with during the next time I recertified.
It's easy to learn. It may save the life of someone you love. It may save the life of a complete stranger. If you have the opportunity, take the class.
Thank you. I have never really had any first aid training but this is a chilling reminder of how important it is for everyone to be trained in first aid
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My mother in law saved my father in laws life by doing CPR by herself for 10 minutes until paramedics showed up, she is the only reason he wasn’t dead by the time they arrived. Even if you are unable to revive the person yourself, CPR can be the difference between life or death.
Thanks for the resources. I'm an ER nurse so deal with CPR and these kind of situations regularly. One of the best determinants of outcome in cardiac arrest is how quickly CPR is started. Learning how to administer cpr and use an aed can save a life. That's not hyperbole. It's scientific fact.
Honestly a CPR class or program should be a requirement in physical education classes in USA. Schooling
About 20 states require CPR training in schools. All different laws and requirements. But Texas, for example, requires kids to be trained prior to graduating. The issue is the enforcement is weak. Some schools get away with just "training" hundreds of kids at once in an auditorium and marking it complete.
I am CPR certified. I was in a situation when I was expected to use that skill. I could tell the person was already dead but it made me think if I would be capable of doing it on a person that was still alive. Its really tough. Maybe I could do it with more training and now after being in that situation I could probably do it but the first time I was encountered it I completely froze.
Stayin Alive beat by the Beegees
Also, Baby Shark for the youths. Do do do do.
The PulsePoint App will allow the layperson to receive notice that CPR is needed in real time at their location. EMT use this same database but sometimes a citizen can arrive faster, and in CPR seconds count. Hands-only CPR is considered effective for the layperson; lives are saved using it. [PulsePoint App](https://www.pulsepoint.org/pulsepoint-respond)
For those commenting on having an AED, please make sure it is registered with the county (either local EMS, fire department, or Public Health dept.) where it’s located. Many dispatch centers are able to direct callers to where the closest AED is located. If they don’t know it’s there, they can’t inform people. Google your county and “register AED” to find out how to register it. Also remember to check your battery and gel pad expiration. Philips recently had a gel pad recall and make sure yours wasn’t recalled.
It is absolute horseshit that every middle schooler through high schooler does not get taught basic first aid - CPR, rescue breathing, bleeding control, and the himlich at a minimum - every year as part of the regular curriculum.
Thank you for posting this. May this remain up, for lifelong health is worth far more than 3 paltry hours of entertainment.
Compressions are the most important part
Absolutely. CPR saves lives and everyone should learn it at least once and ideally should get a refresher every couple years so the muscle memory kicks in when it's required.
I had to use CPR like 2 months ago at work. Guy dropped. No one was doing CPR even though there were lots trying to help. You never know when you'll need it. I'm glad I was able to try to help give the guy a chance. It could be family a friend or a stranger but you want to know what to do.
Luckily, I will be getting trained on CPR and First Aid by my job in the next two weeks. It is invaluable to have.
Since this has so many eyes on it, is it possible to take either a private first aid course (1on1) or at least any cpr portion privately? (In Canada for reference) I had to do cpr alone on a loved one as a child 20 years ago, who was already gone the moment they hit the ground. Understandably a very traumatic ordeal I still carry with me every day. I desperately want to know how to do it properly, and to be able to complete a first aid certification for work etc , but I genuinely do not how I will react to the cpr portion, as it’s something I have gone out of way to avoid to this point
I would recommend reaching out to your local red cross. I’m sure if you explained the situation they could work something out. Many classes also aren’t super crowded (5-10 people)
I was trained in CPR in 2012 because I’m a triathlete and swimming deaths are common. That year I used CPR to save a 5-year old boy and a 14-year old girl. Without that training they would have died. Get the training at least once. Learn what to do.
To add on, if you're AB+ blood type look into platelet and/or platelet/plasma donation. We're the universal platelet donor for that and there are only ~3% of us compared to ~7% for O- (universal blood donor).
In high school when learning about CPR I was told to find the notch at the bottom of the sternum and put your palm right under that for the compressions.
This is horrible, this is so much bigger than football. Everyone please share Hamlin’s toy drive fundraiser https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-driver
Work offered an opportunity for us to get certified for CPR as well as for operating an AED. was super super helpful but also pretty crazy how much legal gymnastics the trainers have to go through. specifically told me I'm not allowed to use an AED on more than one person. I asked what am i supposed to do if there's a mass shooting or something... from him I got "who owes you the most money?" reason seemed to not be because of any technical reasons other than legal liability
Worth the extra few bucks on Red Cross’ site for AED training. I teach group fitness and have to have my CPR cert current, but AED is potentially so much more valuable, as those machines take a lot of the uncertainty out of an event. They tell you literally what to do step by step so you give someone the best possible chance.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pulsepoint-respond/id500772134 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.firedepartment IoS and Android apps that allow you to find the nearest AED.
Not only learn CPR but RENEW IT!! So many studies show that skills are lost with time. You aren’t going to be doing CPR regularly unless you work in EMS, in an emergency department or ICU. As annoying as it is, those renewal classes improve the quality of CPR which is by far the most important thing you can do to improve not only chances of survival but chances of neurologic recovery as well. Even the techs at my hospital need their technique tweaked because they don’t allow for chest recoil or compress too fast. Learning it once is not enough.
The Bee Gees “Staying alive” is a good rhythm to follow for chest compressions
I’m learning CPR tomorrow because of this
I worked for 3 summers as a lifeguard and I've had to recertify multiple times for my different jobs. Fortunately I have never had to use my CPR/AED training, but I thought I understood the importance of it. Last month I was at a high school basketball game where one of the referees experienced a cardiac event in the midst of the game. I was on the opposite side of the gym, and by the time I noticed the school resource officers and someone from the stands had already responded, so I stayed out of the way. But when you actually witness CPR used in a real situation it affects you, in ways you might not expect. I was not prepared for the emotions and feelings that came up in that situation. I don't know if I would have been able to respond or would have frozen in the crisis. Fortunately in this case the AED resuscitated the man and he was responsive when he got in the ambulance, and last I heard a few days after was recovering at the hospital. Please, take the training and get certified. You never know when you might find yourself in a situation to save a life. And if you're the praying sort, don't just be praying for Damar and his family and the Bills. Everyone in that stadium who witnessed the events tonight, they will not be the same person they were six hours ago when they walked in.
This was important BEFORE this happened as well.
CPR also saved the life of Bob Odenkirk the actor when he had his incident a few years ago.
Finally some original content on this sub. Every other thread on r/NFL is some dumb twitter repost "omg!! this announcer is so heroic & deserves an award for doing their job on air". Everyone should look into taking CPR & first aid classes. Good stuff 👍
Also, and I can't stress this enough, learn how to use an AED. The chances of successful CPR improve astronomically when one is used. Those weird paddles could be and have many times been the difference between life and death
CPR is really only ~10% effective but AEDs are often ~90%+ and have pretty good instructions on them
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I hope this thread gets pinned.
AED usage alot more important and needs more publicity than CPR