They were like 1.75 yards away at the snap so you figure he got the yard most would on a QB sneak, but they called it two yards out and he came up short.
Look if we can drop a bomb from 50000 ft we can figure this out.
Edit: all I'm saying is the NFL has the resources to refine this technology to be of real use.
That's more of a target issue than an accuracy issue, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if the damn thing was 100 feet off when you were trying to hit a hospital or wedding from the start
Well, they would need it to be accurate to literal millimeters so it’s not as simple as you’d think. Plus they have a lot of money but not Defense Budget money. Plus in addition to the tech being right, they would need to do a ton of independent quality testing. I think they should work towards it but it’s understandable that they don’t think it’s good enough yet
people always say this but i think spotting is the one thing the refs get surprisingly correct. A lot of times after seeing a slow mo replay I‘lol be impressed with how accurate they get it.
You are watching from a distance at an extreme angle. They are watching close up nearly at field level (in comparison to height of human vs how high up in the stands the cameras are).
Doesn’t need to.
You can easily use video to cross reference the time stamp of when someone is down and see the exact location of the ball at that instant.
Fair enough but that’s a separate issue than whether a chip can be effective to determine the spot of the ball even though it doesn’t tell you when a runner is down.
What part of the ball though? Does the chip account for where it is in the ball and it's orientation? Is it accurate enough to be useful in those super hard calls to make? How often does it need to be calibrated, and is at the beginning of the game enough? What can cause it to become out of calibration?
Did the runner have possession, were they down, were they in bounds all has to be be taken into account. For a chipped ball to really work, it needs to take the full ball into account, be aware of orientation, and you'd have to have information between video and ball location sync'd nearly exactly.
It's a tough problem to solve, with a lot of little details that have to be worked out, and it has to be perfect otherwise it won't be trusted. It's a really big ask.
I think for now, the chips can provide some interesting stats and data, because that's their purpose at this point. I think you'd want to see this work well in something like hockey or soccer first where there's less complications on determining a score.
The biggest mistake could be implementing something like this, and having it fail horribly with visual evidence. You can overrule something with visual evidence, but then you're trusting a system that has been proven to be wrong (and now we have PROOF) for those calls where there isn't visual evidence. The second biggest mistake would be implementing it before people are ready to accept it. See the mess Pitch f/x created over 10 years ago... And don't discount the fact that people do like some ambiguity in their sports, I know it's counter intuitive, but a game with ironclad rules enforcement may not seem as competitive, and people will still blame the system even if they really should understand rules are interpreted as close to perfect as possible ( see video games for examples of this behavior )
Soccer fans in the UK are upset because video replays mean that offside is being judged too accurately, and with that you can literally see the attacker pass the line on the replay.
Yeah, it's interesting because I think the base assumption is it's 'more fair' but the perceived result is it changes the game to be focused on technicalities.
We usually say we want things to be as fair as possible, but what we really mean is we want things consistent, but also not rigid, which can contradict each other. An example in Football might be holding, I'm pretty certain there's a lot more plays where holding could be called than what is actually called. Do I want every instance to be called? No, that would really slow down the game, but I do want that cherrypicked play to be called.
The problem with being flexible but consistent, it causes escalation (I got away with that... I should try that again or that+1), and when the officials try to reign it in it looks really unfair. The line between calling ticky-tack penalties and 'letting them get away with everything' is very thin and different in everyone's mind.
There are chips embedded in the footballs and player uniforms (shoulder pads I think?). The chips track player movement, as well as ball movement, to allow the league and fans to gather tons of data points. Where was each player on the field at a given time, how fast was a player running on a specific play, how fast was a defender running when he hit another player, etc.
You’d have to assume the chip in the ball mirrors the clock on replays though. I suspect the tech isn’t there yet to make sure those are perfectly in sync.
I think that’s what they are saying though, even if both cameras and the chip were on “actual time” they’d have to both be accurate down to the millisecond for it to even be useful.
In this setup would every spot need to be decided by replay? I mean how would you do this analysis automatically? Find the time stamp when the appropriate body part touches the ground, then cross reference that with the position from the chip (which would have to be setup in a way to account for ball orientation, I assume 2-3 chips would be required). Only then can we place the ball accurately, assuming we can even see when the player is hitting the ground.
Spot the ball normally but have a guy in New York that has camera feeds and location data up that checks the spot and if it differs by a significant amount (not necessarily large, significant like the difference between a first down and not), they call down to have it fixed. The same way they do the replay assisted changes to rulings on the field.
If you put *two* chips in the ball at horizontally symmetrical positions, from there you can infer its spacial orientation and thus calculate its surface's physical location vis-a-vis the goal line.
Exactly right. “The runner is ruled down at 12:31:47 per the replay clock. The ball is spotted at the 41 yard line.”
The chip may not be accurate to the cm but ref first down placement is sometimes off by a YARD.”
I wonder if they’re not THAT accurate.
As in they can tell you they were .6 yards away but if it’s at the 50 for example they can’t tell you if it should be on the 50 or 49 or whatever.
Based on the tweet, at best the accuracy is 10 cm, but probably it is worse than that. I'd say probably +/- 30 cm, or roughly a foot.
Old men with experience are probably still better than the chip technology as it currently stands.
Of course when they do get better, expect Belichick to have running backs with big magnets in their gloves to alter the signal
Posting this because I never knew there was a chip in NFL balls.
Edit: It's great that half the comments here are on the play call and the other is about the chip.
Ref's unions would probably hate it. Much like using bots to call strikes and balls in baseball. With that being said, the chip doesn't show if a body part is down, so it is far more complex than determining if a ball was a ball or strike.
While it wouldn’t show if a body part was down, surely they could slow the video down and stop it when the players knee/elbow etc hits the ground and know where the ball is in that moment on replay
Obviously things like TD's breaking the plane or precisely spotting the ball are the most frequently mentioned uses of the technology (and I believe the experts who say we're not at that point yet), but I'm also looking forward to ending some of the subjective bullshit we see week in / week out in other aspects of the game. For example, syncing the ball chip with the game clock could automate delay of game penalties or false starts on the center.
Probably a lot more interference with more players around the ball and also a much larger zone to check for. NFL has plenty of money they could spend on research for it though.
I’m spitballing here, but I think the hardest part is getting precision with a device small enough not to impact its weight or feel. If you chucked a common high-precision tracking device on there, every quarterback in the league would complain.
I think the hardest part is the fact that in a soccer ball, if you center the chip then it's always an exact amount of distance away from the outside of ball, because the ball is spherical.
A football is not spherical so even a centered chip is inherently imprecise, unless you're putting multiple chips in it that can speak to each other to determine the ball's orientation.
Yeah, one on each tip but that leaves the edge case for the center of the ball extending past the line between the ends of the ball, you would need to hardcode in the shape of the ball
I watched a documentary on the fucking yellow first down line and how many millions they poured in to getting that technology right.
Was actually pretty interesting.
But idk human error and stuff is kinda part of the game even if it's bullshit sometimes.
The key difference is that the yellow first down line is in no way binding in terms of granting first downs on the field, so the stakes are much lower as compared to real-time ball location technology.
Football is tougher, since you have to be concerned about the entire body of the player as well. In soccer you generally only care about what the ball did (offsides is an exception, but that's generally much more spread out and obvious than whether or not a player in the middle of the pile had his knee touch the ground).
American fans frequently say this but nearly every major soccer league uses camera-based VAR, which chips sometimes assist, but are not the main tech. The NFL cannot use camera-based VAR in the same way and so would need a different technology.
The main thing soccer leagues use chips for is the timing of kicks
Yes it was “camera and chip based” in that it used dozens of cameras in an incredibly sophisticated way to try to place every body part on the field, and then had a “chip” in the ball that essentially just could tell them when the ball was kicked.
There was 0 use of microchips in the World Cup to determine ball positioning and placement. Like every major international league, it used a sophisticated camera system as the core of its technology. What do you think VAR stands for? V-microchip assisted refereeing?
No the main thing chips are used for is goal line technology to determine whether it’s crossed the goal line.
The chips aren’t really used for offside decisions, that’s what the VAR cameras are for, which is why the automated offsides at the World Cup were so high profile
The big soccer leagues do not use chip tech to do this, because it’s not precise enough. Instead they use cameras. [FIFA for example](https://www.fifa.com/technical/football-technology/football-technologies-and-innovations-at-the-fifa-world-cup-2022/goal-line-technology):
> The goal-line technology system used at the FIFA World Cup 2022™ is based on 14 high-speed cameras. The data from the sensor inside the ball is not used to determine if the ball has crossed the goal line or not
The only time the sensor in the ball is relevant is for the offsides decisions, and even then, it’s a very small part of those decisions
I think the bugger issue is determining when players are down by contact, not the ball position. You'd need the players in sensor suits given anything not a hand or a foot is considered down. Not to mention the whole forward progress aspect.
If Cincinnati doesn't have an all time fumble return TD he's never in that situation. The clock management was bad but Baltimore had a shot to win on the road as a big underdog, you don't typically fire your coach for that.
Doesn't matter, still just terrible situational football.
Tbh I'd expect our coaches to do something similar.
I'm not saying fire him but that was really fuckin bad.
For fancy stat tracking. Probably a couple years away from full-time refs and probably a few more before they can use these fancy stats in real time. Think about it, a ref would have to see these stats in real time to be able to actually utilize them in the game. There is no time for that.
They won't replace the refs oversight with technology. Tech would be objective. Human refs can intentionally make shit calls at the behest of their corporate overlords, they're not giving up the ability to swing games while maintaining plausible deniability.
It is used, just not for in-game decisions.
The chips inside the football are also in each player’s left and right shoulder pads (need both to determine player orientation/direction they are facing), and were implemented by/for Next Gen Stats.
The precision is not nearly accurate enough yet for things like ball placements or spotting, but is more than enough when it comes to player tracking data. Which by itself is incredibly beneficial+insightful as shown by other sports (such as soccer) as well as the NFL despite only being around for a short period of time.
Highly recommend to check out the NFL’s Big Data Bowl competitions utilizing the data from the past few years.
Wtf ?! The NFL does embrace modern technologies after all. Why do we still do the chain measurements?! Have the eagle eye on the big screen like tennis
If there’s a chip in the ball, why don’t they just make a light go off or something when the ball crosses the pylon / first down marker. Then the replay just has to check if a knee hit before or after the light turns on
Because there’s more involved than merely crossing a plane. For example, a pass in the air that crosses the pylon isn’t a TD until it’s caught and the player establishes themselves inbounds … and maintains possession through the ground. Similarly even with a ball being carried, is the knee down first? A light for crossing the plane doesn’t tell the whole story.
Cause then we'd have to wait for someone to read out a delayed stat tracker and then relay that to whoever is spotting the ball when the game doesn't have time to wait for that.
Accurate to within 3mm.
Another fun fact... They had to reduce the weight of the ball to account for the weight of the chip so the ball still weighs the same.
Also, there are chips in the shoulder pads.
Source: Wife works for the chip company
I knew about the chips on the players. Could you ask your wife where the chip is located and are they working on adding more (if there already isn't more than one)
It's under the laces.
Also, there is a chip in the helmets.
They collect a shit ton of data but the NFL only authorizes certain companies access to it, and even then only allows dissemination of an even smaller subset to the public (like player speed).
The company that makes the chip isn't even allowed to market that they make the chip for the NFL.
I remember a year ago or so I was saying how stupid it was that they didn't use a chip in the ball. And some dude was arguing with me that it was literally impossible.
I have said it before. The NFL has the technology to make 1st downs and touchdowns easily defined. Yet they as still relying on old men with sticks, chains and notecards to measure downs.
So not that close
[удалено]
Trying to go over top from that far away was certainly a choice.
he was manifesting the Emmitt Smith whirley bird
They were like 1.75 yards away at the snap so you figure he got the yard most would on a QB sneak, but they called it two yards out and he came up short.
About the distance away where you actually call a QB sneak unless you’re braindead
I’d probably tell my QB to extend as well. No way that goes poorly.
Isnt that 2 feet?
2 feet is quite a bit for a play that’s often decided by inches
"You gotta CLAW for that inch..."
hold up there's chips in the ball and we still rely on the eye sight of old men to place the ball?
THAT WAS MY REACTION AS WELL.
Where was this when the bills were short vs the phins today
A dude posted it and it looked like they came up short, as expected
Where’s the post?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/10cwapk/walder_the_current_chip_in_the_ball_isnt_really/
As expected the chip also said it was a first, the yellow wasn't correct on this graphic or TV, it was behind the 33 not exactly on it
They weren't short.
Someone also mentioned earlier it's not as accurate as they would like yet
Look if we can drop a bomb from 50000 ft we can figure this out. Edit: all I'm saying is the NFL has the resources to refine this technology to be of real use.
The error radius on those is generally larger than 1 yard
Not to mention how often we fuck it up anyway and end up bombing civilians.
That's more of a target issue than an accuracy issue, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if the damn thing was 100 feet off when you were trying to hit a hospital or wedding from the start
That’s not a fuck up though that’s a feature.
Okay George Bush
what
I don't think that's how that works but I like the energy we need to get the military involved
Give Burfict to Ukraine.
Can the nfl afford the chip from the bomb, is it even legal for civilians
Well, they would need it to be accurate to literal millimeters so it’s not as simple as you’d think. Plus they have a lot of money but not Defense Budget money. Plus in addition to the tech being right, they would need to do a ton of independent quality testing. I think they should work towards it but it’s understandable that they don’t think it’s good enough yet
people always say this but i think spotting is the one thing the refs get surprisingly correct. A lot of times after seeing a slow mo replay I‘lol be impressed with how accurate they get it.
Can’t tell you how many times I yell about a shitty spot and then see the replay and they were definitely right. At least, more right than I was.
You are watching from a distance at an extreme angle. They are watching close up nearly at field level (in comparison to height of human vs how high up in the stands the cameras are).
chip doesn't tell you when the runner's down
Doesn’t need to. You can easily use video to cross reference the time stamp of when someone is down and see the exact location of the ball at that instant.
They’ve said that the chip still isn’t accurate enough.
If it’s more inaccurate than a few old men that are 20 yards away, then it’s completely useless lol
and then the whole point of the above tweet would be useless too.
Fair enough but that’s a separate issue than whether a chip can be effective to determine the spot of the ball even though it doesn’t tell you when a runner is down.
Agreed!
What part of the ball though? Does the chip account for where it is in the ball and it's orientation? Is it accurate enough to be useful in those super hard calls to make? How often does it need to be calibrated, and is at the beginning of the game enough? What can cause it to become out of calibration? Did the runner have possession, were they down, were they in bounds all has to be be taken into account. For a chipped ball to really work, it needs to take the full ball into account, be aware of orientation, and you'd have to have information between video and ball location sync'd nearly exactly. It's a tough problem to solve, with a lot of little details that have to be worked out, and it has to be perfect otherwise it won't be trusted. It's a really big ask. I think for now, the chips can provide some interesting stats and data, because that's their purpose at this point. I think you'd want to see this work well in something like hockey or soccer first where there's less complications on determining a score. The biggest mistake could be implementing something like this, and having it fail horribly with visual evidence. You can overrule something with visual evidence, but then you're trusting a system that has been proven to be wrong (and now we have PROOF) for those calls where there isn't visual evidence. The second biggest mistake would be implementing it before people are ready to accept it. See the mess Pitch f/x created over 10 years ago... And don't discount the fact that people do like some ambiguity in their sports, I know it's counter intuitive, but a game with ironclad rules enforcement may not seem as competitive, and people will still blame the system even if they really should understand rules are interpreted as close to perfect as possible ( see video games for examples of this behavior )
Soccer fans in the UK are upset because video replays mean that offside is being judged too accurately, and with that you can literally see the attacker pass the line on the replay.
Yeah, it's interesting because I think the base assumption is it's 'more fair' but the perceived result is it changes the game to be focused on technicalities. We usually say we want things to be as fair as possible, but what we really mean is we want things consistent, but also not rigid, which can contradict each other. An example in Football might be holding, I'm pretty certain there's a lot more plays where holding could be called than what is actually called. Do I want every instance to be called? No, that would really slow down the game, but I do want that cherrypicked play to be called. The problem with being flexible but consistent, it causes escalation (I got away with that... I should try that again or that+1), and when the officials try to reign it in it looks really unfair. The line between calling ticky-tack penalties and 'letting them get away with everything' is very thin and different in everyone's mind.
Would chip Kelly be more accurate?
Then why does it exist?
There are chips embedded in the footballs and player uniforms (shoulder pads I think?). The chips track player movement, as well as ball movement, to allow the league and fans to gather tons of data points. Where was each player on the field at a given time, how fast was a player running on a specific play, how fast was a defender running when he hit another player, etc.
You’d have to assume the chip in the ball mirrors the clock on replays though. I suspect the tech isn’t there yet to make sure those are perfectly in sync.
You can just use the actual time not game time to synchronize.
I think that’s what they are saying though, even if both cameras and the chip were on “actual time” they’d have to both be accurate down to the millisecond for it to even be useful.
Yeah because the refs watching the play in real time are accurate to the millisecond /s
In this setup would every spot need to be decided by replay? I mean how would you do this analysis automatically? Find the time stamp when the appropriate body part touches the ground, then cross reference that with the position from the chip (which would have to be setup in a way to account for ball orientation, I assume 2-3 chips would be required). Only then can we place the ball accurately, assuming we can even see when the player is hitting the ground.
Spot the ball normally but have a guy in New York that has camera feeds and location data up that checks the spot and if it differs by a significant amount (not necessarily large, significant like the difference between a first down and not), they call down to have it fixed. The same way they do the replay assisted changes to rulings on the field.
A football isnt symmetrical, you would still not know what direction it was facing
If you put *two* chips in the ball at horizontally symmetrical positions, from there you can infer its spacial orientation and thus calculate its surface's physical location vis-a-vis the goal line.
Exactly right. “The runner is ruled down at 12:31:47 per the replay clock. The ball is spotted at the 41 yard line.” The chip may not be accurate to the cm but ref first down placement is sometimes off by a YARD.”
It can show forward progress and contact with the ground. Just because it can’t do everything doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be useful for a more fair game.
A chip is somewhere in the ball. The chip doesn’t necessarily need to cross the plane.
Or why not have chips running down the length of the ball
Yes. They talked about it at the end of Bills Dolphins but it's not reliable at all.
I wonder if they’re not THAT accurate. As in they can tell you they were .6 yards away but if it’s at the 50 for example they can’t tell you if it should be on the 50 or 49 or whatever.
Wait, what? How could it be accurate within .6 yards but not accurate within a full yard?
Because I have no idea where sensors are located. They could just be around the end zone and the further away you get the less accurate it is.
You want to make the game longer by reviewing every play?
Based on the tweet, at best the accuracy is 10 cm, but probably it is worse than that. I'd say probably +/- 30 cm, or roughly a foot. Old men with experience are probably still better than the chip technology as it currently stands. Of course when they do get better, expect Belichick to have running backs with big magnets in their gloves to alter the signal
Nah, a lot of calls are made by the chip that we don’t realize
Soooo .... Like 2 feet?
Posting this because I never knew there was a chip in NFL balls. Edit: It's great that half the comments here are on the play call and the other is about the chip.
They've had chips in balls for years its just not used for officiating. they gather other stats and such from it
I think it's cool just never knew. Hopefully they can invest and refine the usage.
Ref's unions would probably hate it. Much like using bots to call strikes and balls in baseball. With that being said, the chip doesn't show if a body part is down, so it is far more complex than determining if a ball was a ball or strike.
While it wouldn’t show if a body part was down, surely they could slow the video down and stop it when the players knee/elbow etc hits the ground and know where the ball is in that moment on replay
Obviously things like TD's breaking the plane or precisely spotting the ball are the most frequently mentioned uses of the technology (and I believe the experts who say we're not at that point yet), but I'm also looking forward to ending some of the subjective bullshit we see week in / week out in other aspects of the game. For example, syncing the ball chip with the game clock could automate delay of game penalties or false starts on the center.
I knew Bill gates was putting a chip in our balls
Feels funny when you sit down or use the microwave.
Just warmed up some leftovers and had to change my pants
going to forward this information to Cole Beasley expeditiously
Should be used to actually calculate touchdowns along with player position
It's not precise enough, the .6 yards here is more of a close estimate but on genuinely tight calls it's not reliable enough.
It’s good enough for millimeters in soccer, surely we can figure it out for football.
I mean when the alternative is a random 60 year old's eye sight we can't be too careful with accuracy.
Probably a lot more interference with more players around the ball and also a much larger zone to check for. NFL has plenty of money they could spend on research for it though.
If we could put a man on the moon in the 60s surely we can implement decent tracking tech in a football in 2023
I’m spitballing here, but I think the hardest part is getting precision with a device small enough not to impact its weight or feel. If you chucked a common high-precision tracking device on there, every quarterback in the league would complain.
I think the hardest part is the fact that in a soccer ball, if you center the chip then it's always an exact amount of distance away from the outside of ball, because the ball is spherical. A football is not spherical so even a centered chip is inherently imprecise, unless you're putting multiple chips in it that can speak to each other to determine the ball's orientation.
Really just need a tracking point on each end of the ball to determine its location and orientation
Yeah, one on each tip but that leaves the edge case for the center of the ball extending past the line between the ends of the ball, you would need to hardcode in the shape of the ball
Who says we could put a man on the moon in the 60's????
I watched a documentary on the fucking yellow first down line and how many millions they poured in to getting that technology right. Was actually pretty interesting. But idk human error and stuff is kinda part of the game even if it's bullshit sometimes.
The key difference is that the yellow first down line is in no way binding in terms of granting first downs on the field, so the stakes are much lower as compared to real-time ball location technology.
Football is tougher, since you have to be concerned about the entire body of the player as well. In soccer you generally only care about what the ball did (offsides is an exception, but that's generally much more spread out and obvious than whether or not a player in the middle of the pile had his knee touch the ground).
They could use it for spotting the ball and get pretty much exact spots every time.
Just use more sensors. Problem solved!
I hope I'm alive to see the day that all the players have tiny ass sensors in every bit of gear they have on
Yeah but you could still use replay video and synchronize it with ball sensors to make more accurate calls. At least that's how I always imagine it
American fans frequently say this but nearly every major soccer league uses camera-based VAR, which chips sometimes assist, but are not the main tech. The NFL cannot use camera-based VAR in the same way and so would need a different technology. The main thing soccer leagues use chips for is the timing of kicks
World Cup used camera and chip based VAR. it was fantastic.
Yes it was “camera and chip based” in that it used dozens of cameras in an incredibly sophisticated way to try to place every body part on the field, and then had a “chip” in the ball that essentially just could tell them when the ball was kicked. There was 0 use of microchips in the World Cup to determine ball positioning and placement. Like every major international league, it used a sophisticated camera system as the core of its technology. What do you think VAR stands for? V-microchip assisted refereeing?
No the main thing chips are used for is goal line technology to determine whether it’s crossed the goal line. The chips aren’t really used for offside decisions, that’s what the VAR cameras are for, which is why the automated offsides at the World Cup were so high profile
The big soccer leagues do not use chip tech to do this, because it’s not precise enough. Instead they use cameras. [FIFA for example](https://www.fifa.com/technical/football-technology/football-technologies-and-innovations-at-the-fifa-world-cup-2022/goal-line-technology): > The goal-line technology system used at the FIFA World Cup 2022™ is based on 14 high-speed cameras. The data from the sensor inside the ball is not used to determine if the ball has crossed the goal line or not The only time the sensor in the ball is relevant is for the offsides decisions, and even then, it’s a very small part of those decisions
well those are millimeters, not yards ^^^/s
How many bananas is a millimeter?
My sources have told me one banana is $10.
I think the bugger issue is determining when players are down by contact, not the ball position. You'd need the players in sensor suits given anything not a hand or a foot is considered down. Not to mention the whole forward progress aspect.
Not sure but I imagine the different shapes of the balls make things much tougher?
It's not. Cameras are used for soccer with a tiny bit of help from the chip.
What they use in the ball now isn't precise enough. But there's no reason not to use more precise tech...
But the chains are?
[удалено]
Exactly. Refs are terrible at spotting.
How would they be able to rig game and blame it on human error though?
I'd argue it would be much easier to fudge spots. They just would make up numbers in the chip
Me either. Fascinating.
Neither did I! It’s nuts.
would be cool if there were a way to use it to spot balls on every play instead of just kinda guessing
Me either! Very interesting
The balls got microchipped
Mr Ball Chip
Absolute clown show playcall.
Do we know they told Huntley to jump in the air
Harbaugh confirmed the play was for Huntley to go low, but he panicked and tried to pull an MJ in Space Jam reach.
There’s no way they did right? With the HBs coming in from behind? (😏)
Wasn’t a bad playcall. All Huntley had to do was not jump
If Huntley doesn’t jump he gets pushed in easily
We call that the Greg Roman experience
On Par with the Packers Meltdown last year for wtf were they thinking. That coaching staff is about to get guillotinned real fast if they lose.
No chance harbaugh gets fired
Yea new OC maybe, they ain’t firing Harbaugh.
I think losing by 7 with your backup QB when the line is 8.0 isn't a big deal. No one expected Baltimore to win this game.
The clock management was embarrassingly bad
If Cincinnati doesn't have an all time fumble return TD he's never in that situation. The clock management was bad but Baltimore had a shot to win on the road as a big underdog, you don't typically fire your coach for that.
Doesn't matter, still just terrible situational football. Tbh I'd expect our coaches to do something similar. I'm not saying fire him but that was really fuckin bad.
Why is there a chip in the ball if it’s never used?
For fancy stat tracking. Probably a couple years away from full-time refs and probably a few more before they can use these fancy stats in real time. Think about it, a ref would have to see these stats in real time to be able to actually utilize them in the game. There is no time for that.
They also have chips in the shoulder pads iirc, and that’s how AWS tracks movement on field
They won't replace the refs oversight with technology. Tech would be objective. Human refs can intentionally make shit calls at the behest of their corporate overlords, they're not giving up the ability to swing games while maintaining plausible deniability.
We will see. I know baseball is moving towards electronic strike zone. All AAA teams this year will be using the robo strike zone.
It could easily be used in reviews though, they just don’t yet.
It is used, just not for in-game decisions. The chips inside the football are also in each player’s left and right shoulder pads (need both to determine player orientation/direction they are facing), and were implemented by/for Next Gen Stats. The precision is not nearly accurate enough yet for things like ball placements or spotting, but is more than enough when it comes to player tracking data. Which by itself is incredibly beneficial+insightful as shown by other sports (such as soccer) as well as the NFL despite only being around for a short period of time. Highly recommend to check out the NFL’s Big Data Bowl competitions utilizing the data from the past few years.
Very stupid call from 2 yards out
They probably would have gotten in had he went low and been pushed by the fullback/TE
He really was not close, terrible playcall
They were pushing him in he didn't need to extend that early
qb sneak hardest play to stop in football how is it a bad call
jump qb sneak from the 1 and a half, the push sneak without the jump would've been better
playcall wasn’t to jump
I did not know that when I posted that comment, that means it's all on Huntley.... odd decision
Wtf ?! The NFL does embrace modern technologies after all. Why do we still do the chain measurements?! Have the eagle eye on the big screen like tennis
Might've helped if he had actually jumped forward, lol.
If there’s a chip in the ball, why don’t they just make a light go off or something when the ball crosses the pylon / first down marker. Then the replay just has to check if a knee hit before or after the light turns on
Because there’s more involved than merely crossing a plane. For example, a pass in the air that crosses the pylon isn’t a TD until it’s caught and the player establishes themselves inbounds … and maintains possession through the ground. Similarly even with a ball being carried, is the knee down first? A light for crossing the plane doesn’t tell the whole story.
THEYRE GASLIGHTING US. THERES NO WAY THEY JUST SLIDE THIS IN LIKE WE HAVENT BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR YEARS
Greg Roman masterclass
Chip in the football?
More than half a yard isn’t really that close.
Soooo if there’s a chip in the ball…. Why in the name of science do we still have to measure the ball with the sticks and old men??
Cause then we'd have to wait for someone to read out a delayed stat tracker and then relay that to whoever is spotting the ball when the game doesn't have time to wait for that.
With the amount of commercials recently, I think they have more than enough time
This heart attack is brought to you by PIZZA HUT. 🍕
Because there men they like to measure stuff.
According to the WHAT?
Cant blame Lamar and can’t blame huntley. That was some of the worst playcalling ever seen. Hope Lamar is all nice and rested for his next team
So 2 feet, that’s not very close
Accurate to within 3mm. Another fun fact... They had to reduce the weight of the ball to account for the weight of the chip so the ball still weighs the same. Also, there are chips in the shoulder pads. Source: Wife works for the chip company
I knew about the chips on the players. Could you ask your wife where the chip is located and are they working on adding more (if there already isn't more than one)
It's under the laces. Also, there is a chip in the helmets. They collect a shit ton of data but the NFL only authorizes certain companies access to it, and even then only allows dissemination of an even smaller subset to the public (like player speed). The company that makes the chip isn't even allowed to market that they make the chip for the NFL.
Is it really that fucking hard to say more then 18 inches.
Wait. There IS a chip and we DON'T use it to determine ball placement?
I remember a year ago or so I was saying how stupid it was that they didn't use a chip in the ball. And some dude was arguing with me that it was literally impossible.
Would be nice for the on field refs to have access to this technology!
Where is the chip? The center is like half a foot from the tip
yeah that's pretty far
Way too far. Ravens had the perfect game plan age their defense was playing as well as they could. No need to try that at all.
Wow it really is a game of yards
That play call single-handedly lost the Ravens the game. Stupid call.
It never looked close at all all while watching. It was clear as day.
According to the whatnow?
Greg Roman should be fired and if any fanbase knows this it Bills fans
I have said it before. The NFL has the technology to make 1st downs and touchdowns easily defined. Yet they as still relying on old men with sticks, chains and notecards to measure downs.
Why not just say 18inches?
Because that's 0.5 yards. 0.6 yards is 21.6 inches.
So, almost 20 inches, not that close at all which is what the replay showed.
I have NO clue how Baltimore wins games
.6 yards is 2 feet
So why aren’t we spotting properly?
Can't wait to read the article in *Just About Magazine*.
I’m just here for to see ravens fans cry 😂
He's not that guy.
So we have the technology to do things the right way and just decide...nah. Cool cool NFL, very cool
And they aren’t using the chip for actually useful things???
Not close enough
AKA not close enough. WHO DEY!
They shoulda had Singletarry try it that's prob a TD.
Trash
B-b-but.. QB sneak is the only play you can run in that situation, you can’t use shotgun and have multiple options available! Right?
That's shit isn't accurate. Just watch the play it was clear as day. Not close
a foot and a half sounds about right honestly.